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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 I think you're trying to idealize the situation.
 No one, including me, would not consider sitting
 with no-thought, no-mantra as non-meditation. It's
 just that given the descriptions of meditation given
 by Lawson and others here on FFL in the past, I am
 not convinced that's the situation we're talking
 about. (I have no such reservations when Xeno talks
 of what his meds are like.)
 
 I suspect instead that what we're talking about is 
 siting with thoughts. That, to me, is not meditation,
 but daydreaming. 
 
 In other traditions than TM, this is *not* looked upon
 as a productive use of one's time, because in practice
 extended periods of daydreaming leads to dullness, a
 tendency to dwell in the gray areas of the lower 
 astral planes, and a number of less-than-positive 
 behavioral traits such as being obsessive, dogmatic,
 and argumentative. In these traditions the behavioral
 symptoms are usually the tip-off that someone has
 replaced meditation with daydreaming. 

Just as inter-path information, provided for 
those interested in such things, in the traditions
I've encountered who feel that daydreaming is a 
negative practice, the ultimate symptom of some-
one who has fallen into this habit is revealed by
one particular symptom. That is, how do they *react*
when the teacher or teachers suggest that they're
daydreaming rather than meditating.

In such traditions, if the student reacts well, takes
the advice of the teacher(s) into consideration, and
actually *analyzes* his or her meditations to see if
they're on track, then no problemo...the habit of
mistaking daydreaming for meditation is not fully
established, and can be reversed.

If the student reacts angrily, or with significant
*attachment* to how he or she is meditating now,
then in these traditions this is taken as a symptom
that the daydreaming habit is well established, so
much so that the student has developed a Class A
obsession with it. In such cases, further steps of
intervention are often required to help him or her
get back to the Beginner's Mind of meditation, as
it was originally taught to them. 

You see a similar reactivity in the TMO, in my exper-
ience. The more strongly a TMer feels that they don't
need a checking, the more they probably need one. 

The allure of being lost in thoughts is strong, 
because it's all about ego. The more time one spends
daydreaming, the stronger and more entrenched their
ego becomes. In some extreme cases these egos' 
attachment to their own thoughts become so strong
that they come to prefer them over either the mantra
(or whatever the focus of their style of meditation
might be) or even transcendence/samadhi. 

Constant thoughts cause the ego/self to grow, and
to dig its heels in so that it can continue growing.
In my experience about the only things that help to
lessen the ego are periods of transcendence/samadhi
and periods of focusing on others, putting their 
well-being ahead of one's own (selfless service). 

Just my opinion...

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2013-09-11 Thread Share Long

Lawson, turq and Xeno, having done only TTC phase 1, my understanding is that 
there are 2 conditions for the session to be considered correct TM: having 
closed the eyes, a person has to *pick up* the mantra; a person has to continue 
*picking up* the mantra whenever they become aware that they are off it. 
Whatever else happens whether thoughts, emotions or sensations, is correct TM. 
What is not correct TM is trying to have the mantra at a certain level of 
clarity or a certain number of times.




 From: lengli...@cox.net lengli...@cox.net
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 5:43 PM
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Communal (Meditating) Fairfield
 


  
What do you mean you use a mantra during TM?

What does that MEAN?

My experience is that what I call mantra in one TM session may or may not be 
like mantra in another.

Characterizing it as even a thought is probably misleading by most people's 
standards as they have a very specific idea of what thought means.

So...

After all this time, what do you mean by mantra in the context of TM?

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2013-09-11 Thread punditster

authfriend:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzrNesqOVF8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzrNesqOVF8

Addressing the important issues!

A YouTube video about making marshmallow fluff,
in German posted on a thread entitled 'Communal
Meditating Fairfield'. LoL!

Never mind the bollocks!

It might be a good time to review some discussion
forums protocols.

1. Try to avoid posting links to web sites or videos
without posting any of your own comments.
2. Clearly indicate the quoted text.
2. When posting, try to stay on topic.
3. If you're changing the subject, post it on a new thread.

http://earlydues.usanethosting.com/ieel/netiquette.htm
http://earlydues.usanethosting.com/ieel/netiquette.htm

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2013-09-10 Thread turquoiseb

For Iranitea, the main reason I replied to this post
was to pass along (in a hopefully humorous way) 
information we in the Regional Office were taught to 
tell meditators (and initiators) on the residence 
courses we supervised.

This was back in the late 70s and early 80s, but a 
concern at the time was the number of people on such
courses reporting that they never found themselves
thinking the mantra or that it had grown so subtle
that they couldn't be sure that they were thinking it.
Such reports were almost always accompanied by the
person saying that they were lost in thought most
of the time, and that thus TM must be going great 
for them, because they must be unstressing so much 
to have so many thoughts.

At the time, we were told to remind them that there is
a difference between TM and unfocused daydreaming,
in which one sits there lost in thoughts and never
meditating. The teaching we were told to pass along
was to reiterate the original TM teaching: When you
become aware that you are no longer thinking the mantra,
effortlessly come back to it. 

If you aren't doing that, you aren't practicing TM.
Seems to me that that's the bottom line. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 s3raphita sez:
   
  That's a classic double-bind.
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
   wrote:
   
   If you even attempt to answer the question, then 
   I become reasonably confident that I no longer 
   need to pay attention to you in this context.
 
 I see it more as a declaration of Maharishi's
 My Subjective Experience Rules! rule, other-
 wise known as My subjective experience *defines*
 the situation. If yours is different, it's wrong.
 
 This is a very useful rule, in that it allows 
 those who invoke it to throw around terms like
 mantra that only *they* are allowed to define.
 
 It also allows people who haven't actually thought
 the mantra they were taught as part of learning
 TM in years, or followed the instructions they were
 given *when* they learned to claim they're still 
 doing TM. 
 
 Very useful rule. 
 
 :-)

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2013-09-10 Thread dhamiltony2k5

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2013-09-10 Thread turquoiseb

Buck sez:
 
 Dear Anartaxius; you are still practicing TM correctly. 
 I still consider you a brother in TM. You will note 
 that according to the second nite of TM instruction 
 that proper or correct meditation also includes no-
 mantra-no-thought. Sort of the dyhan phase of meditation 
 like Patanjali talked about. Also like that dyhan point 
 in the sidhis after you would think [dharna] the sutra 
 and then Be quiet [dyhana] for some time in to Samadhi. 
 Wavicle in to the No-mantra-no-thought. These doctrinal 
 tru-believers contending with your very perceptive 
 experiences are drawing a red-line between no-mantra-
 no-thought and actively coming back to the mantra. You 
 are doing fine. You are certainly within the prescripts 
 of TM experience. Years of engaging in coming back to 
 the mantra? Evidently it could also be good if more 
 people sat with no-mantra-no-thought more in addition 
 to just starting off with their mantra meditation and 
 then keeping it going. It becomes very powerful TM. Take 
 it easy,

I think you're trying to idealize the situation.
No one, including me, would not consider sitting
with no-thought, no-mantra as non-meditation. It's
just that given the descriptions of meditation given
by Lawson and others here on FFL in the past, I am
not convinced that's the situation we're talking
about. (I have no such reservations when Xeno talks
of what his meds are like.)

I suspect instead that what we're talking about is 
siting with thoughts. That, to me, is not meditation,
but daydreaming. 

In other traditions than TM, this is *not* looked upon
as a productive use of one's time, because in practice
extended periods of daydreaming leads to dullness, a
tendency to dwell in the gray areas of the lower 
astral planes, and a number of less-than-positive 
behavioral traits such as being obsessive, dogmatic,
and argumentative. In these traditions the behavioral
symptoms are usually the tip-off that someone has
replaced meditation with daydreaming. 

On an electronic forum it's difficult to be certain,
but there is certainly no harm in reminding those who
seem to be favoring thoughts vs. favoring the mantra
that the former is *not* TM as it was taught to them,
but something else. Just my opinion...

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2013-09-09 Thread Michael Jackson

Back in the day when I was  TM fanatic I was a single meditator for a god 
portion of that time - I had a few friends with whom we would do group TMSP, 
maybe 4 - 6 of us males and there would be 2 - 3 women doing program in another 
room of the house - usually it was me, my roommate and one other guy - this was 
back when hooting and hollering was considered de rigueur so we did lots of it 
- then I had that 2 year stint at MIU where of course we HAD to be in the Domes 
twice a day - at first I was excited and thought it was so cool to see miles of 
foam stretching in all directions, but then after a few programs the reality of 
group TMSP set in where you realize half the people are asleep, half of the 
flyers are just sitting there with the eyes open looking around and snickering 
about certain ones who were making unusually odd noises - frankly for me I got 
more out of the old pre-TMSP group meditations on residence courses.

But all that's behind me as I don't do TM no mo. 





 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 12:41 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Describing Communal 
(Meditating) Fairfield
 


  
Back in the day, I was notorious for having giggling fits on rounding courses! 
One could always blame it on stress release but, to be honest, I think 
emotional immaturity was the more honest cause in my case!

I'm genuinely surprised more people don't use the lotus posture - it certainly 
looks more impressive to onlookers! - and those (female) followers who liked 
wearing saris (which look fantastic) surely would have wanted to play the role 
of eastern adept to the full just for the fun of it. 

I'm in two minds about the advantages of group meditation. Sometimes the (real 
or imagined) psychic feedback from the other participants can be energising 
but, on the other hand, I feel very self-conscious about every yawn, cough or 
fidgeting I am subject to irritating others in the room.

As an alternative to sitting in a chair I did once buy a meditation stool - but 
it just made my knees ache! Would you recommend BackJack chairs? Presumably you 
sit crossed-legged on them? 

Are there other types of meditation furniture that anyone on FFL would 
recommend? 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Seraphita, some people sit in chairs. Most of us sit against backjacks on foam. 
I don't see many sitting in lotus. And I don't see anyone looking down on 
anyone else! I definitely prefer doing TMSP in a group rather than alone. 
Subjectively TMSP feels deeper when I practice in a group. And I do believe 
that I contribute more to the coherence when I practice TMSP with others. As 
regards your other post, giggling does happen, especially when there are new 
sidhas in the group. That's always fun (-:

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2013-09-09 Thread doctordumbass

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2013-09-09 Thread Share Long

Ok, Seraphita, now I think your pulling my leg! Maybe out of lotus position?! 
Anyway, perhaps your curiosity about all this will be enough incentive for you 
to visit the Dome in Skelmersdale and see how people are sitting there. Though 
I have heard they are stricter. Go figure!





 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 11:41 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Describing Communal 
(Meditating) Fairfield
 


  
Back in the day, I was notorious for having giggling fits on rounding courses! 
One could always blame it on stress release but, to be honest, I think 
emotional immaturity was the more honest cause in my case!

I'm genuinely surprised more people don't use the lotus posture - it certainly 
looks more impressive to onlookers! - and those (female) followers who liked 
wearing saris (which look fantastic) surely would have wanted to play the role 
of eastern adept to the full just for the fun of it. 

I'm in two minds about the advantages of group meditation. Sometimes the (real 
or imagined) psychic feedback from the other participants can be energising 
but, on the other hand, I feel very self-conscious about every yawn, cough or 
fidgeting I am subject to irritating others in the room.

As an alternative to sitting in a chair I did once buy a meditation stool - but 
it just made my knees ache! Would you recommend BackJack chairs? Presumably you 
sit crossed-legged on them? 

Are there other types of meditation furniture that anyone on FFL would 
recommend? 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Seraphita, some people sit in chairs. Most of us sit against backjacks on foam. 
I don't see many sitting in lotus. And I don't see anyone looking down on 
anyone else! I definitely prefer doing TMSP in a group rather than alone. 
Subjectively TMSP feels deeper when I practice in a group. And I do believe 
that I contribute more to the coherence when I practice TMSP with others. As 
regards your other post, giggling does happen, especially when there are new 
sidhas in the group. That's always fun (-:

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2013-09-09 Thread Michael Jackson

I have done it occasionally and it feels good once or twice then it kind of 
like J Alex was saying he can't even make himself do it.

 From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 10:04 AM
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(Meditating) Fairfield

I bet if you sat down and did it today, you would be surprised. I say that, not 
as a fanatic encouraging regular practice, but as someone who goes about my 
practice by fits and starts these days. Much more choice, than prescription. 
After all, I paid $65 bucks for it, 38 years ago, and I am a cheap son of a 
bitch. :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Back in the day when I was  TM fanatic I was a single meditator for a god 
portion of that time - I had a few friends with whom we would do group TMSP, 
maybe 4 - 6 of us males and there would be 2 - 3 women doing program in another 
room of the house - usually it was me, my roommate and one other guy - this was 
back when hooting and hollering was considered de rigueur so we did lots of it 
- then I had that 2 year stint at MIU where of course we HAD to be in the Domes 
twice a day - at first I was excited and thought it was so cool to see miles of 
foam stretching in all directions, but then after a few programs the reality of 
group TMSP set in where you realize half the people are asleep, half of the 
flyers are just sitting there with the eyes open looking around and snickering 
about certain ones who were making unusually odd noises - frankly for me I got 
more out of the old pre-TMSP group meditations on residence courses.

But all that's behind me as I don't do TM no mo. 

 From: s3raphita@... s3raphita@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 12:41 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Describing Communal 
(Meditating) Fairfield

Back in the day, I was notorious for having giggling fits on rounding courses! 
One could always blame it on stress release but, to be honest, I think 
emotional immaturity was the more honest cause in my case!

I'm genuinely surprised more people don't use the lotus posture - it certainly 
looks more impressive to onlookers! - and those (female) followers who liked 
wearing saris (which look fantastic) surely would have wanted to play the role 
of eastern adept to the full just for the fun of it. 

I'm in two minds about the advantages of group meditation. Sometimes the (real 
or imagined) psychic feedback from the other participants can be energising 
but, on the other hand, I feel very self-conscious about every yawn, cough or 
fidgeting I am subject to irritating others in the room.

As an alternative to sitting in a chair I did once buy a meditation stool - but 
it just made my knees ache! Would you recommend BackJack chairs? Presumably you 
sit crossed-legged on them? 

Are there other types of meditation furniture that anyone on FFL would 
recommend? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Seraphita, some people sit in chairs. Most of us sit against backjacks on 
foam. I don't see many sitting in lotus. And I don't see anyone looking down 
on anyone else! I definitely prefer doing TMSP in a group rather than alone. 
Subjectively TMSP feels deeper when I practice in a group. And I do believe 
that I contribute more to the coherence when I practice TMSP with others. As 
regards your other post, giggling does happen, especially when there are new 
sidhas in the group. That's always fun (-:

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2013-09-09 Thread Arhata Osho



 
Arhata

arhataosho.com



 From: gregorygor...@yahoo.com gregorygor...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013, 16:07
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Communal (Meditating) Fairfield
 


  
I learned tm in stpaul,minnesota a year ago and I  always wonder if ive 
actually transcended thought or not . I feel ive had a few deep experiences on 
rare occasions, kind of like I was freefalling through space for a second or 
now and then I feel like outside world totally disapperared while meditating, 
so silent inside myself. but It seemed like I didn't let my meditation 
naturally unfold. my teacher said I wouldn't have the same experience every 
time. ive been to a few checking sessions but its too far away for me to drive 
really. I wish the tm organization had videos on the mechanics of tm for people 
like me that have already paid to learn the technique but cant be present at 
group sessions etc that I could purchase or download .  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


There comes a point where techniques fail. Now I still do TM but not all the 
time. Most of the spiritual techniques I have had have failed to be relevant. 
If I have certain kinds of fatigue, TM seems OK, it is especially nice 
sometimes when I am transitioning out of sleep (this might seem very odd to 
some); at other times I do an analogue of Zazen, which is basically TM without 
a mantra, and not moving. When I am very clear, this kind of meditation does 
not present any resistance. One reason TM fails is it is designed to transcend 
thought; if thought is already 'transcended', it has nothing to do, so 
resistance is experienced because you are trying to do something that is not 
necessary, even if, as the story about this technique goes, the technique is 
supposed to be 'effortless'. 

As the experience of being becomes more pronounced as unity is uncovered, there 
is less and less for techniques to do, and at this point one has to start to 
figure out what to do on one's own. If meditation techniques failed because you 
gave up, the whole enterprise is a failure, but if they failed because 
everything that was supposed to happen more or less happened (the result might 
be somewhat different that what you expected), then you are awake, and the next 
step is integrating what you realised with the rest of your life and nobody can 
tell you how to do this, you have to figure it out for yourself (you know, 
'self-sufficiency'), and this is not a matter of technique: it is a matter of 
insight, balance, and resolve.

There are times too, before awakening, when you get overloaded with spiritual 
crap, and you need a vacation from it. You don't want to talk about it or hear 
about it. You want to do something else for a while. You can still practice 
techniques, you just do not give a damn for a while about what it is all 
supposed to be about. Which is good because it is not about what it is supposed 
to be about. That is the cover story, which is designed to keep you occupied 
while the techniques undermine from below and eventually show you the cover 
story was a fraud.

TM transcends thought inwardly, but eventually inwardly as a direction does not 
exist, roundabout 'cosmic consciousness'. Awakening (unity), transcends your 
whole conceptual world outwardly, and then outwardly as a direction does not 
exist either. At this point meditation becomes at best a maintenance utility, 
and at this point you really do have to get a life to make progress and give 
depth and stability in living seamlessly with what was realised. You have to 
get creative, because the people around you, unless you happen to run into a 
deeply enlightened individual with tonnes of experience, are not going to 
understand what you are experiencing, and their attempts to 'tell you what you 
should do' will just fumble repeatedly.

So, my apologies for butting into this conversation.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MichaelJackson wrote:


I have done it [TM] occasionally and it feels good once or twice then it kind 
of like J Alex was saying he can't even make himself do it.

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2013-09-09 Thread turquoiseb

Posted By:  
s3raphita sez:
  
 That's a classic double-bind.
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
  
  If you even attempt to answer the question, then 
  I become reasonably confident that I no longer 
  need to pay attention to you in this context.

I see it more as a declaration of Maharishi's
My Subjective Experience Rules! rule, other-
wise known as My subjective experience *defines*
the situation. If yours is different, it's wrong.

This is a very useful rule, in that it allows 
those who invoke it to throw around terms like
mantra that only *they* are allowed to define.

It also allows people who haven't actually thought
the mantra they were taught as part of learning
TM in years, or followed the instructions they were
given *when* they learned to claim they're still 
doing TM. 

Very useful rule. 

:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Describing Communal (Meditating) Fairfield

2013-09-08 Thread Share Long

Seraphita, some people sit in chairs. Most of us sit against backjacks on foam. 
I don't see many sitting in lotus. And I don't see anyone looking down on 
anyone else! I definitely prefer doing TMSP in a group rather than alone. 
Subjectively TMSP feels deeper when I practice in a group. And I do believe 
that I contribute more to the coherence when I practice TMSP with others. As 
regards your other post, giggling does happen, especially when there are new 
sidhas in the group. That's always fun (-:





 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 8:28 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Describing Communal (Meditating) 
Fairfield
 


  
Re To get in the Dome, you have to have taken the TM-Sidhi Program: Bastards! 
Spiritual groups really love their hierarchies. They think I'd lower the tone 
of the joint.

Does everyone in the Dome assume the lotus posture? Are there any who (like me) 
sit in chairs or would they be looked down on by the others? 

And do those who congregate in the Dome (you?) notice a change in the 
subjective experience of a meditation session?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


To get in the dome, you have to have taken the TM-Sidhi Program, and I'm pretty 
sure they check the records to see that a person actually has gotten the Sidhis 
before issuing a dome badge. If you're just some lowly schmuck who was only 
initiated into TM, then NO DOME FOR YOU!!

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Describing Communal (Meditating) Fairfield

2013-09-08 Thread s3raphita

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