[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But bliss isn't blissful. If you're still feeling something, then the questions arise: who is feeling, what is being felt, and what is the feeling? answered in #57512 What you describe isn't Satchitananda then... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But bliss isn't blissful. If you're still feeling something, then the questions arise: who is feeling, what is being felt, and what is the feeling? answered in #57512 What you describe isn't Satchitananda then... Ok To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But bliss isn't blissful. If you're still feeling something, then the questions arise: who is feeling, what is being felt, and what is the feeling? answered in #57512 What you describe isn't Satchitananda then... Ok I had a few experiences like that during my Yogic Flying block. I felt they were entertaining, but not important. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always experience the opening of my crown chakra as expanding up and outwards, a powerful current of bliss energy blasting forth from the top of my head. Feels great, though I don't sense any 'light of the soul coming down' as you describe. Jim, Is the witness present during this or is it you? Always wondered what a good description of this was? JohnY hmmm, so first off, I call it the crown chakra opening because others have described such an energy center associated with the crown of the head area. So when I get this whooshy intense bliss coming upwards and outwards, it is me. At least there is no seperation felt, mainly because the bliss is so intense. Often times it feels like my face is flushed, and I am just intensely and quietly euphoric, in love with the world and everything in it. Nothing I am aware of reliably precedes such an event. The last time I recall it occurring I was pulling out of my driveway in my van...go figure...sometimes I've been able to get a mini version of it by listening to some power pop type music like Rush. This is my experience- not much of it makes any sense to me, hope it helps... I ask because for me that 'expansion' initally felt like a subtle sense of the body expanding and continuing to include stars, etc. then seemed relatively unbounded and filled with heavy and then gentle bliss but it was still an object, witnessed. It has taken a long time to understand. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ask because for me that 'expansion' initally felt like a subtle sense of the body expanding and continuing to include stars, etc. then seemed relatively unbounded and filled with heavy and then gentle bliss but it was still an object, witnessed. It has taken a long time to understand. I think I get what you are saying- that the experience is so powerful and does contain the elements of unboundedness, like expanding to the stars, etc., that a question arises about the value of the experience? It must be some experience of Unity, or UC, because on the face of it, don't we agree we feel no gap during the experience [of powerful crown chakra bliss] between ourselves and the rest of the creation? There is where the difficulty comes in I believe, because there is no way to mentally resolve or even find a connection between the UC experience and the more localized 'normal' experience. That is why I remarked that it doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't. I just enjoy it tremendously and then get on with what I have to do next. Sort of like the relationship between going to wrk and going on vacation. There is no derect link between the two, though they are mutually supportive of each other. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
But bliss isn't blissful. If you're still feeling something, then the questions arise: who is feeling, what is being felt, and what is the feeling? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ask because for me that 'expansion' initally felt like a subtle sense of the body expanding and continuing to include stars, etc. then seemed relatively unbounded and filled with heavy and then gentle bliss but it was still an object, witnessed. It has taken a long time to understand. I think I get what you are saying- that the experience is so powerful and does contain the elements of unboundedness, like expanding to the stars, etc., that a question arises about the value of the experience? It must be some experience of Unity, or UC, because on the face of it, don't we agree we feel no gap during the experience [of powerful crown chakra bliss] between ourselves and the rest of the creation? There is where the difficulty comes in I believe, because there is no way to mentally resolve or even find a connection between the UC experience and the more localized 'normal' experience. That is why I remarked that it doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't. I just enjoy it tremendously and then get on with what I have to do next. Sort of like the relationship between going to wrk and going on vacation. There is no derect link between the two, though they are mutually supportive of each other. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
Also, this "internal crap, can be there as you say, and still hold the awareness part of you, the part that witnesses. In reality, that part that witnesses is the experience of "soul energy" and that soul energy, when maintained along with the "crap" will heal the "crap", or dissolve it. It's also worthy to note that when there is a lot of "crap" going on, or releasing, it's good to "open the crown chakra, that is imagine that the "the light of the soul is coming down as if you are looking up through the top of your head, and the light is coming down through you into the earth. It is the light of pure consciousness, or the light of the soul, whatever you like to call it, that more effectively heals the crap, when maintained; and witnessed...Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if there is supposed to be any intention with respect to internal crap. It's been my experience that with this increasing awareness of that part of me that is not involved, there is less of me that gets overwhelmed. The crap is still there, but my relationship to it has changed. For the time being, I've given up trying to fix things. Instead, I simply remain present to however I show up at any given moment. AlexCool. Ultimately, I believe you need to handle the internal "crap" and get rid of it.JeffTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if there is supposed to be any intention with respect to internal crap. It's been my experience that with this increasing awareness of that part of me that is not involved, there is less of me that gets overwhelmed. The crap is still there, but my relationship to it has changed. For the time being, I've given up trying to fix things. Instead, I simply remain present to however I show up at any given moment. Cool. Ultimately, I believe you need to handle the internal crap and get rid of it. As hopefully a rare intellectualism from me, and not to argue but to present another POV, I once heard an interesting talk from a Tibetan teacher on this idea of working through stuff. His view was that the crap has no existence; to focus on it in an attempt to work through it tends to give it existence, and activate something that is otherwise inactive. In his very traditional view, the crap is related to states of attention. A certain level of internal crap is just how one sees things *from* a certain state of attention. His view was that it's impossible to work through the crap of that state of attention because there is an infinite amount of it. Focusing on the crap is like turning on a faucet that is fed by an infinite lake of that particular brand of crap. No matter how much of it you work through as it flows through the faucet, there is always more. In other words, you could convince yourself that you've worked through all the anger that you've got inside you, and be free from it for some time. But the minute you allow your mind to shift back into state of attention in which anger is an attribute, bing! there is anger again. So his approach was very Tibetan traditional. Become more aware of your ever-fluctuating states of attention, and use your free will and intention to not dwell in the ones that have lower attributes (like anger or jealousy), prefering the states of attention that have higher attributes (like love and compassion). Sounds a little like mood-making, but I can assure you that with the proper training in identifying one's fluctuating relative states of attention and then shifting from one to another easily, it isn't the same thing at all. It's more like, Oh, there's that anger sucker again. I know how I feel whenever I indulge in it, and don't particularly want to feel that way again. Therefore I will shift my state of attention to one that is shinier and more productive. I'm not saying that this approach is better, I'm just presenting it as another POV on the subject. This approach, when you analyze it, is a lot like When you become aware that you are not thinking the dharma, easily think the dharma. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As hopefully a rare intellectualism from me, and not to argue but to present another POV, I once heard an interesting talk from a Tibetan teacher on this idea of working through stuff. His view was that the crap has no existence; to focus on it in an attempt to work through it tends to give it existence, and activate something that is otherwise inactive. In his very traditional view, the crap is related to states of attention. A certain level of internal crap is just how one sees things *from* a certain state of attention. His view was that it's impossible to work through the crap of that state of attention because there is an infinite amount of it. Focusing on the crap is like turning on a faucet that is fed by an infinite lake of that particular brand of crap. No matter how much of it you work through as it flows through the faucet, there is always more. In other words, you could convince yourself that you've worked through all the anger that you've got inside you, and be free from it for some time. But the minute you allow your mind to shift back into state of attention in which anger is an attribute, bing! there is anger again. So his approach was very Tibetan traditional. Become more aware of your ever-fluctuating states of attention, and use your free will and intention to not dwell in the ones that have lower attributes (like anger or jealousy), prefering the states of attention that have higher attributes (like love and compassion). Sounds a little like mood-making, but I can assure you that with the proper training in identifying one's fluctuating relative states of attention and then shifting from one to another easily, it isn't the same thing at all. It's more like, Oh, there's that anger sucker again. I know how I feel whenever I indulge in it, and don't particularly want to feel that way again. Therefore I will shift my state of attention to one that is shinier and more productive. I'm not saying that this approach is better, I'm just presenting it as another POV on the subject. This approach, when you analyze it, is a lot like When you become aware that you are not thinking the dharma, easily think the dharma. :-) Unc I see this to be a dualistic understanding. And it is very typical to the eastern traditions. This is also the weak spot of many of those traditions. Certain emotions like fear and anger are labelled as negative. There are ideals that in an awakened state you don't anymore have those emotions. Ingenious techniques have been developed to disconnect oneself from those emotions. Those emotions are thrown out of perception somewhere into the collective energy soup for some other, maybe somewhat weaker people to carry and handle the best they can. And this is called creating peace!!! Fear and anger (fury) are very important emotions for life to sustain itself. You cannot live without them, you can only disconnect your conscious mind from those emotions and push them to your subconsciousness or to the collective consciousness to be expressed by others, often not too constructively. Fear warns of danger, anger helps us to put legitimate limits, so that others cannot use us. These are important functions. We must just learn to use them constructively. When the person, or organizing I evolves emotionally, it can learn better and better process these emotions. A cornerstone in this evolution I understand to be something I call emotional enlightenment. By this concept I mean a stage of emotional development, where the I don't anymore identify with the emotions. When this is accomplished you can start really to work with and transform the heavy and difficult emotions more easily. E.g. I can perceive fear, usually it is felt somewhere in the body, but the I is just calmly observing the emotion, and can decide how to work with it. At best this transformative work with fear can be quite enjoyable. Anger I cannot manage that skilfully yet. But one thing I know for sure through my own experience: this kind of work is very healing. Before this stage of non-identification is fully gained, working with those emotions is very hard and tumultuous work. It is probably true that in the collective energy or emotion pool there is no end to those emotions. But that is not a problem, because learning better and better to working with the emotions and transforming them is rewarding. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . In his very traditional view, the crap is related to states of attention. A certain level of internal crap is just how one sees things *from* a certain state of attention. His view was that it's impossible to work through the crap of that state of attention because there is an infinite amount of it. Focusing on the crap is like turning on a faucet that is fed by an infinite lake of that particular brand of crap. No matter how much of it you work through as it flows through the faucet, there is always more. In other words, you could convince yourself that you've worked through all the anger that you've got inside you, and be free from it for some time. But the minute you allow your mind to shift back into state of attention in which anger is an attribute, bing! there is anger again. . . . I see this to be a dualistic understanding. And it is very typical to the eastern traditions. This is also the weak spot of many of those traditions. Certain emotions like fear and anger are labelled as negative. Having gotten to know this gentleman, I can assure you that this is not the case at all. Fear was labeled as no more inherently negative than bliss was labeled positive. It's not on that level at all, since neither of these emotions/states of mind really exist. The judgment is purely about the karmic effect of indulging in these emotions. Indulging in anger and fear brings the perceiver down and creates negative karma, that which lengthens the process of realization. Indulging in compas- sion and love uplifts, and shortens the process of real- ization. Purely pragmatic, with no moral judgment involved at all. There are ideals that in an awakened state you don't anymore have those emotions. Not in this particular tradition. One *continues* to exper- ience these emotions. One simply has developed the control not to have to indulge in them. Ingenious techniques have been developed to disconnect oneself from those emotions. Those emotions are thrown out of perception somewhere into the collective energy soup for some other, maybe somewhat weaker people to carry and handle the best they can. And this is called creating peace!!! Yours is a perfectly valid POV, but I can assure you that it is not the POV of the teacher I mention. ALL possible emotions are present at ALL times; which one or ones you choose to indulge in is up to you. This tradition would very much disagree with Maharishi's unstressing theory, that when an emotion becomes predominant, it is a result of something being worked through or being released, and one has no control over it; thata one is basically a victim to the emotional state until it passes. The Tibetan view is very different. There is NO state of attention that one is victim to. One ALWAYS has a choice. That is what free will is ABOUT. Preferring one state of attention to another doesn't add to the collective energy soup. It can't. All of these emotions are always there at all times, in infinite amounts. So are all the positive emotions, in equally infinite amounts. All one is doing is making a choice as to which to focus on and give expression to and allow to generate karma. Fear and anger (fury) are very important emotions for life to sustain itself. You cannot live without them, you can only disconnect your conscious mind from those emotions and push them to your subconsciousness or to the collective consciousness to be expressed by others, often not too constructively. That is a very Western POV, and possibly valid. I am presenting a different POV. I'm not trying to sell it, merely to present it. Fear warns of danger, anger helps us to put legitimate limits, so that others cannot use us. And both produce karma. The Tibetan view is that we, as perceivers and actors, are in charge of what karma we wish to produce. We are not slaves to which emotion is predominant at any given time, and have a clear choice as to the state of attention we bring to any situation, and thus a choice as to the karma our thoughts and actions produce in that situation. These are important functions. We must just learn to use them constructively. That's one way of seeing things. I am merely presenting another. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
On Jun 16, 2005, at 9:45 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Related to this topic and the short but recent Hitler thread, I just finished reading Chapter 3 of Robert Perry's _Path of Light_, which describes the levels of the mind according to the Course in Miracles. It describes in brutal terms how the ego protects its turf. It's not pretty. In the tradition I practice in, when one feels the need to work through ego issues one works with a practice called 'the Chod', which means 'the cutting'. It's a way to directly cut the ego at its root developed by the great yogini Machig Labdron. While different yogic methods might have descriptions such as 'the unification of bliss and emptiness' or 'the unity of luminosity and the ground', directly working with the grasping of ego could best be described as working with 'sheer terror and emptiness'. When I first began this practice some of the visions were just so utterly terrifying as this repressed material came forward, I would have to do walking meditation for several hours just regain some sense of normal awareness. But from that a sense of utter spaciousness and freedom and fearlessness arose. The ability to do things or go places you would never let your mind touch upon comes about. For example I found it gratifying and easy being around people who were dying or in extreme agony. Other purification practices might even bring about healing or removal of diseases. I've been watching a friend who is undertaking Vajrasattva purification go through some radical changes. She had developed a number of siddhis from her practices which had created a number of internal obstacles. The removal of those obstacles have been a horrible sometimes even medically challenging situation for her. So this happens on a number of different levels but it is important to go through some deep purification. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, this internal crap, can be there as you say, and still hold the awareness part of you, the part that witnesses. In reality, that part that witnesses is the experience of soul energy and that soul energy, when maintained along with the crap will heal the crap, or dissolve it. It's also worthy to note that when there is a lot of crap going on, or releasing, it's good to open the crown chakra, that is imagine that the the light of the soul is coming down as if you are looking up through the top of your head, and the light is coming down through you into the earth. It is the light of pure consciousness, or the light of the soul, whatever you like to call it, that more effectively heals the crap, when maintained; and witnessed... good description, though I always experience the opening of my crown chakra as expanding up and outwards, a powerful current of bliss energy blasting forth from the top of my head. Feels great, though I don't sense any 'light of the soul coming down' as you describe. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I once heard an interesting talk from a Tibetan teacher on this idea of working through stuff. His view was that the crap has no existence; to focus on it in an attempt to work through it tends to give it existence, and activate something that is otherwise inactive. In his very traditional view, the crap is related to states of attention. A certain level of internal crap is just how one sees things *from* a certain state of attention. His view was that it's impossible to work through the crap of that state of attention because there is an infinite amount of it. Focusing on the crap is like turning on a faucet that is fed by an infinite lake of that particular brand of crap. No matter how much of it you work through as it flows through the faucet, there is always more. In other words, you could convince yourself that you've worked through all the anger that you've got inside you, and be free from it for some time. But the minute you allow your mind to shift back into state of attention in which anger is an attribute, bing! there is anger again. So his approach was very Tibetan traditional. Become more aware of your ever-fluctuating states of attention, and use your free will and intention to not dwell in the ones that have lower attributes (like anger or jealousy), prefering the states of attention that have higher attributes (like love and compassion). Sounds a little like mood-making, but I can assure you that with the proper training in identifying one's fluctuating relative states of attention and then shifting from one to another easily, it isn't the same thing at all. It's more like, Oh, there's that anger sucker again. I know how I feel whenever I indulge in it, and don't particularly want to feel that way again. Therefore I will shift my state of attention to one that is shinier and more productive. I'm not saying that this approach is better, I'm just presenting it as another POV on the subject. This approach, when you analyze it, is a lot like When you become aware that you are not thinking the dharma, easily think the dharma. :-) Unc good description. The key seems to be the difference between denying 'that anger sucker', and accepting it. Paradoxically, the less we are attached to it, the easier it is to accept it, and then to be able to easily put the attention somewhere else. To deny anger, i.e. mood making, is just creating a fantasy and really isn't very helpful to growth except to eventually wake up to the impotence of the fantasy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, this internal crap, can be there as you say, and still hold the awareness part of you, the part that witnesses. In reality, that part that witnesses is the experience of soul energy and that soul energy, when maintained along with the crap will heal the crap, or dissolve it. It's also worthy to note that when there is a lot of crap going on, or releasing, it's good to open the crown chakra, that is imagine that the the light of the soul is coming down as if you are looking up through the top of your head, and the light is coming down through you into the earth. It is the light of pure consciousness, or the light of the soul, whatever you like to call it, that more effectively heals the crap, when maintained; and witnessed... good description, though I always experience the opening of my crown chakra as expanding up and outwards, a powerful current of bliss energy blasting forth from the top of my head. Feels great, though I don't sense any 'light of the soul coming down' as you describe. Jim, Is the witness present during this or is it you? Always wondered what a good description of this was? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always experience the opening of my crown chakra as expanding up and outwards, a powerful current of bliss energy blasting forth from the top of my head. Feels great, though I don't sense any 'light of the soul coming down' as you describe. Jim, Is the witness present during this or is it you? Always wondered what a good description of this was? JohnY hmmm, so first off, I call it the crown chakra opening because others have described such an energy center associated with the crown of the head area. So when I get this whooshy intense bliss coming upwards and outwards, it is me. At least there is no seperation felt, mainly because the bliss is so intense. Often times it feels like my face is flushed, and I am just intensely and quietly euphoric, in love with the world and everything in it. Nothing I am aware of reliably precedes such an event. The last time I recall it occurring I was pulling out of my driveway in my van...go figure...sometimes I've been able to get a mini version of it by listening to some power pop type music like Rush. This is my experience- not much of it makes any sense to me, hope it helps... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
Alex Stanley wrote: with Waking Down, you WILL become aware of EVERY aspect of your internal human dynamic, including ALL the painful shit you've spent your entire life trying to avoid, transcend, or whatever. Is the idea to learn to live with the crap, or jettison it for the crap that it is? Or something else? - Related to this topic and the short but recent Hitler thread, I just finished reading Chapter 3 of Robert Perry's _Path of Light_, which describes the levels of the mind according to the Course in Miracles. It describes in brutal terms how the ego protects its turf. It's not pretty. In nutshell, if I understand it correctly, we put on innocent faces to hide our rage, which itself comes from the ego's need to attack. (Attacking is how the ego gains ground, thereby sustaining itself.) But beneath the ego is adequate awareness to see how dastardly those behaviors are, and in that awareness dwells a tragic guilt. Not quite the bubble diagram, eh? Hence the Course's emphasis on forgiveness, and piercing the illusion of the ego. I didn't do justice to the epiphany that chapter can produce. People interested in uncovering their mind games might enjoy reading it. - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Stanley wrote: with Waking Down, you WILL become aware of EVERY aspect of your internal human dynamic, including ALL the painful shit you've spent your entire life trying to avoid, transcend, or whatever. Is the idea to learn to live with the crap, or jettison it for the crap that it is? Or something else? I don't know if there is supposed to be any intention with respect to internal crap. It's been my experience that with this increasing awareness of that part of me that is not involved, there is less of me that gets overwhelmed. The crap is still there, but my relationship to it has changed. For the time being, I've given up trying to fix things. Instead, I simply remain present to however I show up at any given moment. Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Painful internal dynamics (was Re: CC is Baby Awakening)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if there is supposed to be any intention with respect to internal crap. It's been my experience that with this increasing awareness of that part of me that is not involved, there is less of me that gets overwhelmed. The crap is still there, but my relationship to it has changed. For the time being, I've given up trying to fix things. Instead, I simply remain present to however I show up at any given moment. Alex Cool. Ultimately, I believe you need to handle the internal crap and get rid of it. Jeff To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
