[FairfieldLife] Re: Awake: The Life Of Yogananda - Rotten Tomatoes
Willy Thank you for your reply. It is so clarifying. No prob if you don't understand Comans book although that is hard to understand if you can also read scholars discussing Tantra. Since you don't understand Comans or unwilling to spend the $$ (I spent $128 – twice your price), much less copy the important parts, I have a better suggestion. Pay $12 new or $10 Kindle on Amazon for James Swartz How to Attain Enlightenment. I have found he tracks true with Comans, which is expected since they had the same mentor – Swami Dayanâda. Swatz has also done a lot of Patanjali yoga so he understands its value for purification. I have already place links to Comans article, (find it on Realization.org) tracing the conversion of Advaita to modern yogic-advaita, although you may not have read it. The article is fairly short but valuable for seeing why suspension of mental activity (yoga-samâdhi) is unnecessary for realization. However, Swartz is best at addressing all the current variances in yoga/advaita in our time. Perhaps then we might have a more useful discussion. … šrî gomâya gomâya svâhâ … Willy sez, This should be dirt simple, Bill, but it's just too subtle for us householders, I guess. I don't have Coman's book anymore and I'm not going to spend $60 to get one. Anyone would have to go back to UT Austin for a four more years and learn four languages in order to read and understand this stuff in the originals. Rita and I are tantrics and so we don't even have to understand anything - we know what works for us. So, I think I'll just stick to my preconceived notions until someone can explain everything to me in plain English that I can understand. It sounds complicated. It would be nice if you could just explain it in simple terms instead of wasting our time with more drivel. And, remember to hit the Show Message History button, SO WE KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Thanks.
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On 9/2/2014 8:19 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Willy Thank you for your reply. It is so clarifying. No prob if you don't understand Comans book although that is hard to understand if you can also read scholars discussing Tantra. Now that's better! Since you don't understand Comans or unwilling to spend the $$ (I spent $128 – twice your price), much less copy the important parts, I have a better suggestion. Pay $12 new or $10 Kindle on Amazon for *James Swartz */How to Attain Enlightenment/. I have found he tracks true with Comans, which is expected since they had the same mentor – Swami Dayanâda. Swatz has also done a lot of Patanjali yoga so he understands its value for purification. I have already place links to Comans article, (find it on Realization.org) tracing the conversion of Advaita to modern yogic-advaita, although you may not have read it. The article is fairly short but valuable for seeing why suspension of mental activity (yoga-samâdhi) is unnecessary for realization. However, Swartz is best at addressing all the current variances in yoga/advaita in our time. Perhaps then we might have a more useful discussion. Thanks for the information - I am on it and I will get back to you soon. … šrî gomâya gomâya svâhâ … /Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa! / /Willy sez, / // /This should be dirt simple, Bill, but it's just too subtle for us householders, I guess. I don't have Coman's book anymore and I'm not going to spend $60 to get one. Anyone would have to go back to UT Austin for a four more years and learn four languages in order to read and understand this stuff in the originals. // Rita and I are tantrics and so we don't even have to understand anything - we know what works for us. So, I think I'll just stick to my preconceived notions until someone can explain everything to me in plain English that I can understand. It sounds complicated. It would be nice if you could just explain it in simple terms instead of wasting our time with more drivel. And, remember to hit the Show Message History button, SO WE KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Thanks./
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awake: The Life Of Yogananda - Rotten Tomatoes
Willy sez, According to Madhyamaka all phenomena are empty of substance or essence (Sanskrit: svabhava) because they are dependently co-arisen. Shankara does not even address this point. And, Gaudapada in fact adopted this doctrine from Buddha. Go figure. Willy, You were given the source (Michael Comans) to see the real differences between Buddhism and Shankara’s Advaita. You refused to do so because it might make you admit that your view is full of inaccurate generalities. That makes you nothing but a proselytizing hawker on FFL. You want to appear as an esoteric wizard of Eastern wisdom traditions but marshal old discredited claims. Your numberless misstatements mislead FFL people who haven’t studied or trained in these traditions. Even what you claimed to have studied and practiced appears shallow and dilettantish. This is evidence that you are not yet qualified (adhikârika) for the deep reflection and contemplation necessary to comprehend these traditions. This would just be a detail requiring your own re-evaluation - except that you are stupidly arrogant about your misapplications. Stupid because you demonstrate lack of judgment and an irrational need to appear knowledgeable in other’s eyes. You are inherently smarter than this but your ego-needs undermine you. It is a waste Willy. Life is short. Then you die. By the way, consider this. You might be reborn in a Muslim country. While you might think that could be acceptable, be warned - the jihadi-s hate Sufis more than they hate Christians (they see them as allowing shirk). You could easily be incarnation-barred from the lineages of Ibn al-Arabî, Junayd or al-Ghazâlî or even Sufism altogether. Wake up and smell the espresso.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awake: The Life Of Yogananda - Rotten Tomatoes
Willy sez, According to Raju, Gaudapada lived and taught during the 7th century CE. Gaudapda adopted the Buddhist doctrines that ultimate reality is pure consciousness. Willy, you were given the references necessary to know better than this. Apparently, you only scanned Michael Comman’s text The Method of Early Advaita Vedanta. Once you obtained a copy through inter-library loan, you should have photo-copied the pertinent sections. Then you wouldn’t prattle on with such generalities that confuse Buddhist stream-of-consciousness momentariness (vijñâna-santana) with the Advaita-Upanishadic realization of Awareness (jñâna). Go get a copy and actually read it. Stop trying to slime Gaudapada with vijñâna-vada. These are different methodologies and only share similarities because they both use common 6-7th Century philosophical nomenclature.
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According to Raju, Gaudapada lived and taught during the 7th century CE. Gaudapda adopted the Buddhist doctrines that ultimate reality is pure consciousness. On 8/31/2014 12:44 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Willy, you were given the references necessary to know better than this. Thanks for responding, but I do not know any better. We do not really know exactly when these teachers lived and taught - it's mostly speculation. There isn't even any historical proof that Shankara founded four mathas in the first place. There is not even any proof that Gaudapada did not write the entire Mandukya Upanishad himself! All we have is some manuscripts that were preserved and an oral tradition. We DO know that Shankara quoted some famous Buddhist logicians and that he may have misunderstood their doctrine. Apparently, you only scanned Michael Comman’s text The Method of Early Advaita Vedanta. Once you obtained a copy through inter-library loan, you should have photo-copied the pertinent sections. Then you wouldn’t prattle on with such generalities that confuse Buddhist stream-of-consciousness momentariness (vijñâna-santana) with the Advaita-Upanishadic realization of Awareness (jñâna). The distinctions between Advaita and Vijnanvada are just too subtle for most causal readers, Bill. That's about all I can say at this point. Perhaps if you get time you can explain it in more detail. Apparently both Gaudpada and Shankara were cryoto-Buddhists: Nirvana is Brahman, the non-dual /Pure Consciousness/. There may be some finer details to consider, but this is the main gist of the doctrine. The only main point to discuss would be the nature of /maya/ as propounded by Shankara, which is not real, yet not unreal either. There is just no reason I can determine that would justify a pre-supposition that /the term Brahman/ is the only term to denote the ultimate reality, /Pure Consciousness/, call it what you will. Go get a copy and actually read it. Stop trying to slime Gaudapada with vijñâna-vada. These are different methodologies and only share similarities because they both use common 6-7th Century philosophical nomenclature. There is just nothing in the Vedic literature that would suggest the doctrine of non-dualism previous to Gaudapada. Badarayana, Madhva, Ramanuja, Vallabha, Nimbarka and Chaitanya all agree on this - all were dualists or quasi-dulaists. Apparently Gaudapda adopted the Buddhist doctrines that /ultimate reality is pure consciousness/ and that the nature of the world is the /four-cornered negation/. Gaudapada adapted both doctrines into a philosophy of the Advaita, which was further developed by Shankara. The Vijnanvada similarities are unmistakable, according to Raju and Sharma. Where is Vaj when I need him? So, let's compare: Excerpt from mANDUkya kArikA IV by gauDapAda: /Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is// //the real truth. The object exists as an object// //for the knowing subject; but it does not exist// //outside of consciousness because the distinction// //of subject and object is within consciousness./ Excerpt from vijnApti matratA siddhi by vasAabAndhu: / //Reality is Pure Consciousness; external objects // //do not exist outside thought. Reality can be // //directly realized by transcending the //subject-object duality./ Work cited: Raju 1992, Raju, P.T., The Philosophical Traditions of India, Motilal Banarsidass, p. 177. Sharma, Chandrahar, A Critical Survey of Indian Philosophy, Rider, p. 245-246.//
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On 8/28/2014 9:02 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: /A number of works are ascribed in manuscripts to Gaudapâda include Uttaragitâbhâsya, a commentary on Nrisimhatâpaniya Upanishad, a Durgâsaptashati, a Vidyarâtna Sûtra and a Subhâgodaya on Shri Vidyâ. None of these identifications can be authenticated. It is also possible that the same author who wrote these Kârikâs also wrote the commentary on the Sânkhyakârikâs attributed to Gaudapâda. But the somewhat naïve character of the Sânkhya commentary seems so alien to the depths of reflection suggested in the Advaita stanzas that the identity seems unlikely. /^1 ^1 /Encyclopedia of Indian Philosophies: Advaita Vedānta up to Śa//ṃ//kara and his Disciples/by Karl Potter. According to what I've read, Gaudapada was the author or compiler of the /Mandukya Karika/, an important Advaita text which used madhyamika philosophical terms to delineate Advaita juVedanta philosophy. According to Raju, Gaudapada lived and taught during the 7th century CE. Gaudapda adopted the Buddhist doctrines that ultimate reality is pure consciousness. Sharma believes that the /Mandukya Karika/ is the earliest extant systematic treatise on Advaita Vedanta. Excerpt from /Mandukya Karika:/ /Duality is only an appearance; non-duality is the real truth. The object exists as an object for the knowing subject; but it does not exist outside of consciousness because the distinction of subject and object is within consciousness./ (IV 25-27) Sharma, p. 245-246. It is a fact that /Shakti/ is included in the Shankaracharya parampara, according to S. Vidyasankar: http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/advaita-parampara.html Works cited: 1. Raju 1992, Raju, P.T. (1992), /The Philosophical Traditions of India/, Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass, p. 177. 2. Nakamura, Hajime, /A History of Early Vedanta Philosophy/. Part Two, Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass, p. 308. 3. Sharma, C., /A Critical Survey of Indian Philosophy/, Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass, p. 239
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/27/2014 4:20 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: You are supposed to be intelligent before you try and act intelligent. You are supposed to try to make sense if you are intelligent. Who's winning here. I'll ref, k? Seems to me that since Rich was with Yogananda, he'd have a good feel. That's why personal experience is so important and trumps analysis everytime. We all know the mind can be a trickster till the day it realizes it's full. empty, you know I love you, but on this...well, You Know
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Dan, don't assume. I was initiated into Yogânanda's first Kriya in Dallas by Brother Anandamoy. Much later I was initiated into a form of Kriya by Hariharananda's successor Swami Prajñânananda. Some benefit there but nothing like TM and TM sanyama.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awake: The Life Of Yogananda - Rotten Tomatoes
Thank you for sharing your path. Funnily, many years ago I gave away my copy of Autobiography, wanting to ensure I was on the program. But what is the program? It is what you are doing. There is nothing more important than life. D P.S. Now I read, discuss and gain from Everything. Currently, I helping write, and writing stuff that fairfieldlifers would find 'off-the-world'. That's ok too.
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On 8/28/2014 6:46 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/27/2014 4:20 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: You are supposed to be intelligent before you try and act intelligent. You are supposed to try to make sense if you are intelligent. Who's winning here. I'll ref, k? Seems to me that since Rich was with Yogananda, he'd have a good feel. That's why personal experience is so important and trumps analysis everytime. We all know the mind can be a trickster till the day it realizes it's full. empty, you know I love you, but on this...well, You Know The empty guy has tried this trick almost every time I've posted about my experience with yoga teachers. Obviously he has never practiced Yogananda's Kriya Yoga techniques, otherwise he would know all about the similarities. Anyone who has taken up yoga practicies realizes that there are similarities based on the Yoga Sutras and the Bhagavad Gita, which describes both the TM techniques and Kriya Yoga techniques. But, what I was specifically referring to is the haste with which he responded by not hitting the /Show Message History/ link, so we could know what he is talking about. Without doing that, his reply doesn't even make any sense.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/28/2014 6:46 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Ok. I hit the Show Message History link, so all could know what I'm talking about. Doing that, my reply makes sense (unless the one, in question is bewildered; but I'm always here to help). My experience with Swami Satchitananda was Hatha Yoga. Good self improvement, not-so-much Self expression. But I did look good to the gals. That's something. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 8/27/2014 4:20 PM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: You are supposed to be intelligent before you try and act intelligent. You are supposed to try to make sense if you are intelligent. Who's winning here. I'll ref, k? Seems to me that since Rich was with Yogananda, he'd have a good feel. That's why personal experience is so important and trumps analysis everytime. We all know the mind can be a trickster till the day it realizes it's full. empty, you know I love you, but on this...well, You Know The empty guy has tried this trick almost every time I've posted about my experience with yoga teachers. Obviously he has never practiced Yogananda's Kriya Yoga techniques, otherwise he would know all about the similarities. Anyone who has taken up yoga practicies realizes that there are similarities based on the Yoga Sutras and the Bhagavad Gita, which describes both the TM techniques and Kriya Yoga techniques. But, what I was specifically referring to is the haste with which he responded by not hitting the Show Message History link, so we could know what he is talking about. Without doing that, his reply doesn't even make any sense.
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On 8/28/2014 7:36 AM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Dan, don't assume. Thanks for the clarification, but we already assumed you knew what you were talking about, so it was an inference: a deduction, conclusion, conjecture, speculation, guess, presumption, assumption, supposition, or extrapolation. I was initiated into Yogânanda's first Kriya in Dallas by Brother Anandamoy. Much later I was initiated into a form of Kriya by Hariharananda's successor Swami Prajñânananda. Hariharananda was a direct disciple of Yukteswar Giri. According to Yogananda,/The illumined sages of India discovered the spiritual science of Kriya Yoga in the long forgotten past. Lord Krishna extols it in the Bhagavad Gita. The sage Patanjali speaks of it in his Yoga Sutras. /- Swami Paramahansa Yogananda Giri Some benefit there but nothing like TM and TM sanyama. They are very similar - object-based mediation based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras.
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Dan, beautiful points and I agree 100%. On Thursday, August 28, 2014 8:02 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thank you for sharing your path. Funnily, many years ago I gave away my copy of Autobiography, wanting to ensure I was on the program. But what is the program? It is what you are doing. There is nothing more important than life. D P.S. Now I read, discuss and gain from Everything. Currently, I helping write, and writing stuff that fairfieldlifers would find 'off-the-world'. That's ok too.
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On 8/28/2014 8:02 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Thank you for sharing your path. My job here is not answer questions, but to question answers. You have to realize that we are dialoging with informants that once cast doubt on my documented evidence that SBS was a Shree Vidya adherent. Go figure. http://www.mail-archive.com/yahoogroups/shree_vidya/ http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=sri+vidyal=fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com Karpatri Swami: He was also the great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his pupils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri
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Here's the Big difference: The Object dissolves into The Transcendent. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/28/2014 7:36 AM, emptybill@... mailto:emptybill@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Dan, don't assume. Thanks for the clarification, but we already assumed you knew what you were talking about, so it was an inference: a deduction, conclusion, conjecture, speculation, guess, presumption, assumption, supposition, or extrapolation. I was initiated into Yogânanda's first Kriya in Dallas by Brother Anandamoy. Much later I was initiated into a form of Kriya by Hariharananda's successor Swami Prajñânananda. Hariharananda was a direct disciple of Yukteswar Giri. According to Yogananda, The illumined sages of India discovered the spiritual science of Kriya Yoga in the long forgotten past. Lord Krishna extols it in the Bhagavad Gita. The sage Patanjali speaks of it in his Yoga Sutras. - Swami Paramahansa Yogananda Giri Some benefit there but nothing like TM and TM sanyama. They are very similar - object-based mediation based on Patanjali's Yoga Sutras.
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Share, Just like you and me are like two peas in a pod, this Knowledge is like different peas in a pod. Very close together and similar (like 2 peas in a pod) I recently got in on a start-up Yahoo Group (a good one, this time) and have been conversing with very interesting points of view. Perspectives of MacLaren, Oespinsky et al. Now we're collaborating on a Thesis. (It is taking me away from my BG Commentary, but that's 40+ years in-the-making). Nice to mix. Like a Mixer not the drink mixer,s I mean the Drinks Mixer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Dan, beautiful points and I agree 100%. On Thursday, August 28, 2014 8:02 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thank you for sharing your path. Funnily, many years ago I gave away my copy of Autobiography, wanting to ensure I was on the program. But what is the program? It is what you are doing. There is nothing more important than life. D P.S. Now I read, discuss and gain from Everything. Currently, I helping write, and writing stuff that fairfieldlifers would find 'off-the-world'. That's ok too.
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Dan, I guess me the little pea fell out of the pod! Meaning, I don't know who MacLaren is! Can you say what yahoo group that is? On Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:04 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, Just like you and me are like two peas in a pod, this Knowledge is like different peas in a pod. Very close together and similar (like 2 peas in a pod) I recently got in on a start-up Yahoo Group (a good one, this time) and have been conversing with very interesting points of view. Perspectives of MacLaren, Oespinsky et al. Now we're collaborating on a Thesis. (It is taking me away from my BG Commentary, but that's 40+ years in-the-making). Nice to mix. Like a Mixer not the drink mixer,s I mean the Drinks Mixer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Dan, beautiful points and I agree 100%. On Thursday, August 28, 2014 8:02 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thank you for sharing your path. Funnily, many years ago I gave away my copy of Autobiography, wanting to ensure I was on the program. But what is the program? It is what you are doing. There is nothing more important than life. D P.S. Now I read, discuss and gain from Everything. Currently, I helping write, and writing stuff that fairfieldlifers would find 'off-the-world'. That's ok too.
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Richard Rich Kid, I recently participated in the creation of a collaboration of student scholars of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati Ji. (Paul Mason et al). Send me your email as we can use some questioners. That group is very productive. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/28/2014 8:02 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Thank you for sharing your path. My job here is not answer questions, but to question answers. You have to realize that we are dialoging with informants that once cast doubt on my documented evidence that SBS was a Shree Vidya adherent. Go figure. http://www.mail-archive.com/yahoogroups/shree_vidya/ http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=sri+vidyal=fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com Karpatri Swami: He was also the great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his pupils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri
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I'm no Botanist (more of a rock person), but when the pea falls out of the pod, it does so to grow more pea pods. And The Cycle of Creation Continues*. Leon MacLaren and Dr Roles traveled to India in 1965 and met-up with Shankaracharya Shantananda Saraswati. He associated the Shankaracharya with the Schoolof Economic of Economic Sciences, which had been created by his father Leon MacLaren. Thus the branches of Guru Dev expanded. It was Leon who was a student of the works of Ouspensky. His son felt there was more to it, so got the India bug. I'll send the Yahoo Group in an email. Your pizza-loving man (with peas,please) Marco ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Dan, I guess me the little pea fell out of the pod! Meaning, I don't know who MacLaren is! Can you say what yahoo group that is? On Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:04 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, Just like you and me are like two peas in a pod, this Knowledge is like different peas in a pod. Very close together and similar (like 2 peas in a pod) I recently got in on a start-up Yahoo Group (a good one, this time) and have been conversing with very interesting points of view. Perspectives of MacLaren, Oespinsky et al. Now we're collaborating on a Thesis. (It is taking me away from my BG Commentary, but that's 40+ years in-the-making). Nice to mix. Like a Mixer not the drink mixer,s I mean the Drinks Mixer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Dan, beautiful points and I agree 100%. On Thursday, August 28, 2014 8:02 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Thank you for sharing your path. Funnily, many years ago I gave away my copy of Autobiography, wanting to ensure I was on the program. But what is the program? It is what you are doing. There is nothing more important than life. D P.S. Now I read, discuss and gain from Everything. Currently, I helping write, and writing stuff that fairfieldlifers would find 'off-the-world'. That's ok too.
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On 8/28/2014 10:14 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Richard Rich Kid, I recently participated in the creation of a collaboration of student scholars of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati Ji. (Paul Mason et al). Send me your email as we can use some questioners. That group is very productive. Paul already has my email address, but you may be interested in reading my essay on SBS and Shree Vidya. http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/srividya.htm rich...@rwilliams.us ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/28/2014 8:02 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Thank you for sharing your path. My job here is not answer questions, but to question answers. You have to realize that we are dialoging with informants that once cast doubt on my documented evidence that SBS was a Shree Vidya adherent. Go figure. http://www.mail-archive.com/yahoogroups/shree_vidya/ http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=sri+vidyal=fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com Karpatri Swami: He was also the great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his pupils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri
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On 8/28/2014 11:09 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Leon MacLaren and Dr Roles traveled to India in 1965 and met-up with Shankaracharya Shantananda Saraswati... In 1965, Dr. Roles and a number of others were invited by the Maharishi to go to India for a special visit to meditate together. It somewhat resembled Gurdjieff's experiments at the Black Sea, because the course implied that they meditated eight hours a day. But it was precisely there, in the heat of meditation exercise that dr. Roles met the 'source' he was looking for, because a special Swami, the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, Shantananda Saraswati, paid them a visit. Then dr. Roles knew that this was the man he had waited for for such a long time. In his report, he wrote: One evening, when we were all sitting on the sand on the banks of the Ganges, you can imagine how surprised I was to hear the following: all our problems happen because we do not remember ourselves. The word 'self-remembering' resounded as if Ouspensky had said it. From that time on, up to and including 1993, this Advaita Vedanta teacher invited Roles and MacLaren for private discussions. It soon became clear that the Advaita Vedanta teaching and the teaching of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky were closely related and complemented each other wonderfully. Since then, Roles and MacLaren have both used and passed on the material of these discussions, together with the teaching of the two others. Shantananda once summarized it thus: The knowledge of the East will bloom in the fertile fields of the West. Works cited: History of the Work: http://www.ouspensky.info/maclareneng.htm
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Rich in Many Ways, I started reading your brief. It is a great contribution. I will request that Paul include you, if you'd like, in out current project. We are establishing the definite link between Maharishi's teachings of Bliss Consciousness and His Master's Teachings. Paul has set out to translate the Taittiriya Upanishad in the context of Guru Dev's Teachings. I, along with Lothar Heggmair will compare this with Maharishi's Teachings. If it fits OK. If not, so be it. In the meanwhile, I let Paul et al know that you have a great deal to contribute and should be included in our Group. Thanks for sharing, and please understand that the Person that I portray in ffl is just that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/28/2014 10:14 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Richard Rich Kid, I recently participated in the creation of a collaboration of student scholars of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati Ji. (Paul Mason et al). Send me your email as we can use some questioners. That group is very productive. Paul already has my email address, but you may be interested in reading my essay on SBS and Shree Vidya. http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/srividya.htm http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/srividya.htm richard@... mailto:richard@... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 8/28/2014 8:02 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Thank you for sharing your path. My job here is not answer questions, but to question answers. You have to realize that we are dialoging with informants that once cast doubt on my documented evidence that SBS was a Shree Vidya adherent. Go figure. http://www.mail-archive.com/yahoogroups/shree_vidya/ http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=sri+vidyal=fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com Karpatri Swami: He was also the great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his pupils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/28/2014 11:09 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Leon MacLaren and Dr Roles traveled to India in 1965 and met-up with Shankaracharya Shantananda Saraswati... I think they got sidetracked. But, you know me, I just go along to get along. But I do know the official words that Shantananda Saraswati sent out after Maharishi introduced the TM-Sidhis. He wasn't up to that just yet. I was. In 1965, Dr. Roles and a number of others were invited by the Maharishi to go to India for a special visit to meditate together. It somewhat resembled Gurdjieff's experiments at the Black Sea, because the course implied that they meditated eight hours a day. But it was precisely there, in the heat of meditation exercise that dr. Roles met the 'source' he was looking for, because a special Swami, the Shankaracharya of Jyotirmath, Shantananda Saraswati, paid them a visit. Then dr. Roles knew that this was the man he had waited for for such a long time. In his report, he wrote: One evening, when we were all sitting on the sand on the banks of the Ganges, you can imagine how surprised I was to hear the following: all our problems happen because we do not remember ourselves. The word 'self-remembering' resounded as if Ouspensky had said it. From that time on, up to and including 1993, this Advaita Vedanta teacher invited Roles and MacLaren for private discussions. It soon became clear that the Advaita Vedanta teaching and the teaching of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky were closely related and complemented each other wonderfully. Since then, Roles and MacLaren have both used and passed on the material of these discussions, together with the teaching of the two others. Shantananda once summarized it thus: The knowledge of the East will bloom in the fertile fields of the West. Works cited: History of the Work: http://www.ouspensky.info/maclareneng.htm http://www.ouspensky.info/maclareneng.htm
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On 8/28/2014 2:12 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: I started reading your brief. It is a great contribution. The worship of Shri Vidya has been popular in India from very ancient times. Swami Gaudapada, the teacher of Shankaracharya, was a worshiper of Sri Vidya. Following his initiation Swami Shankaracharya wrote a lucid ode to Shri Vidya, the Saundariya Lahari, a translation of which is now available in English. The worship of Shri Vidya has been popular in India from very ancient times. Swami Gaudapada, the teacher of Shankaracharya, was a worshiper of Sri Vidya. Following his initiation Swami Shankaracharya wrote a lucid ode to Shri Vidya, the Saundariya Lahari, a translation of which is now available in English. Many disciples of Shankaracharya were worshipers of Sri Vidya such as Sureshvara, Padmapada, Vidyaranya and the brother of Chaitanya, Nityanand, Abhinavagupta, and our own Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. It is known to a galaxy of devotees that Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of Sringeri was the teacher of Guru Dev, who was himself a worshiper of Sri Vidya. Read more: http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg80283.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/28/2014 10:14 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Richard Rich Kid, I recently participated in the creation of a collaboration of student scholars of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati Ji. (Paul Mason et al). Send me your email as we can use some questioners. That group is very productive. Paul already has my email address, but you may be interested in reading my essay on SBS and Shree Vidya. http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/srividya.htm richard@... mailto:richard@... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 8/28/2014 8:02 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Thank you for sharing your path. My job here is not answer questions, but to question answers. You have to realize that we are dialoging with informants that once cast doubt on my documented evidence that SBS was a Shree Vidya adherent. Go figure. http://www.mail-archive.com/yahoogroups/shree_vidya/ http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=sri+vidyal=fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com Karpatri Swami: He was also the great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his pupils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri
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Adi Shankara’s guru was not Gaudapâda, who lived about 100-200 years earlier by scholarly estimates1. Shankara’s guru was Govinda Bhagavatpâda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govinda_Bhagavatpada, whom he met on the banks of the Narmada River. A number of works are ascribed in manuscripts to Gaudapâda include Uttaragitâbhâsya, a commentary on Nrisimhatâpaniya Upanishad, a Durgâsaptashati, a Vidyarâtna Sûtra and a Subhâgodaya on Shri Vidyâ. None of these identifications can be authenticated. It is also possible that the same author who wrote these Kârikâs also wrote the commentary on the Sânkhyakârikâs attributed to Gaudapâda. But the somewhat naïve character of the Sânkhya commentary seems so alien to the depths of reflection suggested in the Advaita stanzas that the identity seems unlikely. 1 1Encyclopedia of Indian Philosophies: Advaita Vedānta up to Śaṃkara and his Disciples by Karl Potter. Adi-Shankara never practiced, studied or taught any form of Shri Vidya, a purely Tantric practice. This is also the case for his chief disciples. The teacher known as Vidyaranya was born five centuries after Shankara. Willy spouts this stuff because he wants to fool you and anyone else who will listen on FFL. Tantric practice invaded Shankara's Advaita sometime in the 12-13th century and still contaminates it today. This has been pointed out to Willy many times. However Willy is a fawning psuchophant who is not only unwilling but also incapable of admitting the truth. He is also dishonest - allowing the mis-perception that he studied with Yogânanda to stand. Yogânanda died in 1952 - case closed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/28/2014 2:12 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: I started reading your brief. It is a great contribution. The worship of Shri Vidya has been popular in India from very ancient times. Swami Gaudapada, the teacher of Shankaracharya, was a worshiper of Sri Vidya. Following his initiation Swami Shankaracharya wrote a lucid ode to Shri Vidya, the Saundariya Lahari, a translation of which is now available in English. The worship of Shri Vidya has been popular in India from very ancient times. Swami Gaudapada, the teacher of Shankaracharya, was a worshiper of Sri Vidya. Following his initiation Swami Shankaracharya wrote a lucid ode to Shri Vidya, the Saundariya Lahari, a translation of which is now available in English. Many disciples of Shankaracharya were worshipers of Sri Vidya such as Sureshvara, Padmapada, Vidyaranya and the brother of Chaitanya, Nityanand, Abhinavagupta, and our own Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. It is known to a galaxy of devotees that Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of Sringeri was the teacher of Guru Dev, who was himself a worshiper of Sri Vidya. Read more: http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg80283.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg80283.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 8/28/2014 10:14 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Richard Rich Kid, I recently participated in the creation of a collaboration of student scholars of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati Ji. (Paul Mason et al). Send me your email as we can use some questioners. That group is very productive. Paul already has my email address, but you may be interested in reading my essay on SBS and Shree Vidya. http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/srividya.htm http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/srividya.htm richard@... mailto:richard@... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 8/28/2014 8:02 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Thank you for sharing your path. My job here is not answer questions, but to question answers. You have to realize that we are dialoging with informants that once cast doubt on my documented evidence that SBS was a Shree Vidya adherent. Go figure. http://www.mail-archive.com/yahoogroups/shree_vidya/ http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=sri+vidyal=fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com Karpatri Swami: He was also the great expert of Shree Vidya and probably all the present day experts in Varanasi have somehow or the other obtained Shree vidya from him or his pupils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Karpatri
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On 8/28/2014 9:02 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Adi Shankara’s guru was not Gaudapâda, who lived about 100-200 years earlier by scholarly estimates^1 . Shankara’s guru was Govinda Bhagavatpâda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govinda_Bhagavatpada, whom he met on the banks of the Narmada River. From what I've read, Gaudapada was, by tradition, the philosophical grandfather of Shankara. His Karika on the Mandukya Upanishad is the oldest known systematic exposition of Advaita Vedanta. Gaudapada shows clear signs of familiarity with Buddhist philosophy, and both his language and his doctrine are close in many cases to Buddhist originals. This has led many scholars to speculate that Gaudapada himself was originally a Buddhist. Read more: http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/gaudapada.html http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/gaudapada.html According to S. Vidyasankar, gauDapAda is the first historically known author in the advaita vedAnta tradition, whose work is still available to us, namely gauDapAdIya kArikAs, an expository text on the mANDUkya upanishad. The kArikA of gauDapAdIyacharya is the first systematic treatise on vedAnta. Notes Vidyasankar: ...to the advaita school, all four prakaraNas are writings of a human author named gauDapAda, and are therefore not regarded as Sruti, even though the first prakaraNa is found interspersed with the sentences of the mANDUkya upanishad and ...it is clear that the GK has been written in the context of a vedAntic dialogue with various schools of mahAyAna buddhism, more prominently the yogAcAra and madhyamaka schools. Other schools of buddhism such as vijnAnavAda and the madhyamaka school itself criticize yogAcAra for holding views that entail consciousness as an Absolute. gauDapAda apparently agrees with this evaluation of the vijnAnavAda school. /A number of works are ascribed in manuscripts to Gaudapâda include Uttaragitâbhâsya, a commentary on Nrisimhatâpaniya Upanishad, a Durgâsaptashati, a Vidyarâtna Sûtra and a Subhâgodaya on Shri Vidyâ. None of these identifications can be authenticated. It is also possible that the same author who wrote these Kârikâs also wrote the commentary on the Sânkhyakârikâs attributed to Gaudapâda. But the somewhat naïve character of the Sânkhya commentary seems so alien to the depths of reflection suggested in the Advaita stanzas that the identity seems unlikely. /^1 ^1 /Encyclopedia of Indian Philosophies: Advaita Vedānta up to Śa//ṃ//kara and his Disciples/by Karl Potter. Adi-Shankara never practiced, studied or taught any form of Shri Vidya, a purely Tantric practice. This is also the case for his chief disciples. The teacher known as Vidyaranya was born five centuries after Shankara. Willy spouts this stuff because he wants to fool you and anyone else who will listen on FFL. Tantric practice invaded Shankara's Advaita sometime in the 12-13th century and still contaminates it today. This has been pointed out to Willy many times. However Willy is a fawning psuchophant who is not only unwilling but also incapable of admitting the truth. He is also dishonest - allowing the mis-perception that he studied with Yogânanda to stand. Yogânanda died in 1952 - case closed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/28/2014 2:12 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: I started reading your brief. It is a great contribution. The worship of Shri Vidya has been popular in India from very ancient times. Swami Gaudapada, the teacher of Shankaracharya, was a worshiper of Sri Vidya. Following his initiation Swami Shankaracharya wrote a lucid ode to Shri Vidya, the Saundariya Lahari, a translation of which is now available in English. The worship of Shri Vidya has been popular in India from very ancient times. Swami Gaudapada, the teacher of Shankaracharya, was a worshiper of Sri Vidya. Following his initiation Swami Shankaracharya wrote a lucid ode to Shri Vidya, the Saundariya Lahari, a translation of which is now available in English. Many disciples of Shankaracharya were worshipers of Sri Vidya such as Sureshvara, Padmapada, Vidyaranya and the brother of Chaitanya, Nityanand, Abhinavagupta, and our own Swami Brahmanand Saraswati. It is known to a galaxy of devotees that Swami Krishnanand Saraswati of Sringeri was the teacher of Guru Dev, who was himself a worshiper of Sri Vidya. Read more: http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg80283.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 8/28/2014 10:14 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Richard Rich Kid, I recently participated in the creation of a collaboration of student scholars of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati Ji. (Paul Mason et al). Send me your email as we
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On 8/28/2014 9:02 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Willy spouts this stuff because he wants to fool you and anyone else who will listen on FFL. Tantric practice invaded Shankara's Advaita sometime in the 12-13th century and still contaminates it today. This has been pointed out to Willy many times. However Willy is a fawning psuchophant who is not only unwilling but also incapable of admitting the truth. The only point an average TMer would be interested in is the fact that SBS and Karpatri were and are adherents of the Sri Vidya sect. We don't know why, but the truth is that all the Saraswati Dasanamis of the Shankaracharya Order worship the Shree Vidya today. So, we get TM and the TM bijas from MMY, who got the bijas from SBS, who got the bijas from the Swami Krishananda Saraswati of Sringeri. So, the TM bijas come from the Shankaracharya tradition which was founded at Sringeri by the Adi Shankara. So, the bija mantras of TM are DIRECTLY related to Sri Vidya, without which there is no TM. There is no difference between an object meditated upon and the object itself. Since the Absolute is not a subject to be perceived, TMers use bija mantras in order to provide the ideal opportunity for the transcending. So, when TMers use the bija mantra of Saraswati, there is no difference between the bija and the Absolute itself - there is only the illusion of duration. According to Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, The difference is the same as the difference between rice and paddy. Remove the skin of the paddy and it is rice. Similarly, remove the covering of Maya, and the Jiva will become Brahman. /Bija mantras issued by TM are ''Sri Vidya'' bija mantras. To be fair, I won't go into what they are, but if one listens to all TM mantras, except for 2, they are 2 or 3 syllable, and this is a very important component of the technique.../ From: Billy Smith Subject: Re: Guru Dev and Sri Vidya Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: April 22, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/ye8my2
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On 8/28/2014 9:02 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: He is also dishonest - allowing the mis-perception that he studied with Yogânanda to stand. Yogânanda died in 1952 - case closed. You are mistaken - We attended courses at Mt. Washington in 1966 with Daya Mata and we learned Kriya Yoga directly from J. Donald Walters, a direct disciple of Paramahamsa Yogananda. Everyone knows that Yogananda passed in 1952. The so-called 'Night Technique', MMY's sixth advanced technique, corresponds to the second Kriya initiation taught by Paramahansa Yogananda, who received this technique from from Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri. It is the exact same technique that was taught to Sankaracharya by his guru Govindapadacharya. This has been confirmed by Swami Sivananda Saraswati and Swami Venkatesananda of Rishikesh, Himalayas. According to Tom Anderson, MMYs secretary at La Antilla TTC, all these advanced techniques were incorporated by MMY into the AoE. Marshy probably got them from former students of Yogananda.
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Thanks Rick-That link didn't work (for me) but here it is on Youtube. I think Yogananda truly was a God-man and I think he knew about ALL the techniques of meditation, including TM or mantra-japa. He teaches Kriya which works directly with the prana or life force, not indirectly like TM. It is more difficult but more reliable in the long run, IMHO. Awake: The Life of Yogananda Official Trailer 1 (2014) - Documentary HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyLkg3uDe1c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyLkg3uDe1c Awake: The Life of Yogananda Official Trailer 1... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyLkg3uDe1c Subscribe to TRAILERS: http://bit.ly/sxaw6h Subscribe to COMING SOON: http://bit.ly/H2vZUn Subscribe to INDIE TRAILERS: http://goo.gl/iPUuo Li... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyLkg3uDe1c Preview by Yahoo
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On 8/27/2014 9:37 AM, wgm4u wrote: Thanks Rick-That link didn't work (for me) but here it is on Youtube. I think Yogananda truly was a God-man and I think he knew about ALL the techniques of meditation, including TM or mantra-japa. He teaches Kriya which works directly with the prana or life force, not indirectly like TM. It is more difficult but more reliable in the long run, IMHO. We were members of the SRF before starting TM in 1967 and were frequent visitors to the Mt. Washington center in L.A.. The meditation is very similar to TM practice and includes the use of a mantra called the hong sau as well as being aware of the sound current. It is a reliable yoga practice but I seem to be more attuned to my TM technique, probably due to the benefit of direct contact with teachers like Jerry Jarvis and MMY - which seems to have added the requisite /shakti/ element to my program. Awake: The Life of Yogananda Official Trailer 1 (2014) - Documentary HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyLkg3uDe1c image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyLkg3uDe1c Awake: The Life of Yogananda Official Trailer 1... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyLkg3uDe1c Subscribe to TRAILERS: http://bit.ly/sxaw6h Subscribe to COMING SOON: http://bit.ly/H2vZUn Subscribe to INDIE TRAILERS: http://goo.gl/iPUuo Li... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyLkg3uDe1c Preview by Yahoo
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I was with Swami Satchitananda. Woodstock lives! Rocks on ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/27/2014 9:37 AM, wgm4u wrote: Thanks Rick-That link didn't work (for me) but here it is on Youtube. I think Yogananda truly was a God-man and I think he knew about ALL the techniques of meditation, including TM or mantra-japa. He teaches Kriya which works directly with the prana or life force, not indirectly like TM. It is more difficult but more reliable in the long run, IMHO. We were members of the SRF before starting TM in 1967 and were frequent visitors to the Mt. Washington center in L.A.. The meditation is very similar to TM practice and includes the use of a mantra called the hong sau as well as being aware of the sound current. It is a reliable yoga practice but I seem to be more attuned to my TM technique, probably due to the benefit of direct contact with teachers like Jerry Jarvis and MMY - which seems to have added the requisite shakti element to my program. Awake: The Life of Yogananda Official Trailer 1 (2014) - Documentary HD Awake: The Life of Yogananda Official Trailer 1... Subscribe to TRAILERS: http://bit.ly/sxaw6h http://bit.ly/sxaw6h Subscribe to COMING SOON: http://bit.ly/H2vZUn http://bit.ly/H2vZUn Subscribe to INDIE TRAILERS: http://goo.gl/iPUuo http://goo.gl/iPUuo Li... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
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“We were members of the SRF before starting TM in 1967 and were frequent visitors to the Mt. Washington center in L.A.. The meditation is very similar to TM practice and includes the use of a mantra called the hong sau as well as being aware of the sound current. It is a reliable yoga practice but I seem to be more attuned to my TM technique, probably due to the benefit of direct contact with teachers like Jerry Jarvis and MMY - which seems to have added the requisite shakti element to my program.” The “hong-sau” was Yogananda’s Bengali approximation of some ancient breath-phonemes. These are forms of mantra-pranâyama used to un-restrain (“ayama”) the breath. It is a practice found throughout the Yoga-Upanishads. However, the actual Sanskrit is “haṃsa” – pronounced in English equivalency as “hum” (as in the word humble) plus the phoneme “suh” as in the Southern reply “yes suh”. Therefore, the accurate pronunciation in Sanskrit is “humsuh”. The Bengali-English equivalent would be either “hungsuh” (not like hoong” but like “he hung himself”) or with long “ah-s” as the phoneme “hângsâh”. The phoneme“hong” is a straightforward pronunciation-equivalent. The so-called phoneme “sau” is pronounced in Sanskrit like the English word “sow” and was an unwieldy attempt by Yogananda to approximate the phoneme “sah”. When joined with the breath, the in-breath sound is hum and the out-breath sound is suh. As it says in one of the Yoga-upanishad-s, when performed long enough, this pranâyama-mantra reverses and becomes the more common prana-mantra sohaṃ - pronounced so on the inbreath and hum on the outbreath. This is an Upanishad identity mantra: Soham means He I am (parsed as sah-aham) but joined in Sanskrit sandhi (phonemic union). ♫ Paramahânsa Yogânânda parlez-vous? ♫
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On 8/27/2014 10:19 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: I was with Swami Satchitananda. We took several yoga classes with the Swami when we lived in Los Angeles and helped him establish one of the first yoga ashrams in L.A. We were close friends with the Swami's leading students, Thomas Rich, who later moved to Colorado and became Chögyam Trungpa's Vajra Regent and the first Western lineage holder in the Tibetan Karma Kagyü and Nyingma lineages. We knew when we lived in Boulder for a year. This didn't work out too well, but that's another story. Read more: /'The Double Mirror: A Skeptical Journey into Buddhist Tantra'/ by Stephen T. Butterfield North Atlantic Books, 1994 Woodstock lives! Rocks on ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/27/2014 9:37 AM, wgm4u wrote: Thanks Rick-That link didn't work (for me) but here it is on Youtube. I think Yogananda truly was a God-man and I think he knew about ALL the techniques of meditation, including TM or mantra-japa. He teaches Kriya which works directly with the prana or life force, not indirectly like TM. It is more difficult but more reliable in the long run, IMHO. We were members of the SRF before starting TM in 1967 and were frequent visitors to the Mt. Washington center in L.A.. The meditation is very similar to TM practice and includes the use of a mantra called the hong sau as well as being aware of the sound current. It is a reliable yoga practice but I seem to be more attuned to my TM technique, probably due to the benefit of direct contact with teachers like Jerry Jarvis and MMY - which seems to have added the requisite /shakti/ element to my program. Awake: The Life of Yogananda Official Trailer 1 (2014) - Documentary HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyLkg3uDe1c image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyLkg3uDe1c Awake: The Life of Yogananda Official Trailer 1... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyLkg3uDe1c Subscribe to TRAILERS: http://bit.ly/sxaw6h Subscribe to COMING SOON: http://bit.ly/H2vZUn Subscribe to INDIE TRAILERS: http://goo.gl/iPUuo Li... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyLkg3uDe1c Preview by Yahoo
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Whatever happened to the 14 yr old boy that the Vajra Regent knowingly infected with AIDS. Is he still living?
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Who is the Vajra Regent? From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 2:23 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awake: The Life Of Yogananda - Rotten Tomatoes Whatever happened to the 14 yr old boy that the Vajra Regent knowingly infected with AIDS. Is he still living?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awake: The Life Of Yogananda - Rotten Tomatoes
Unless Pramananda Yogananda was initiated by His Holiness Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, he didn't have the TM technique. I did enjoy his promo tape. He had me at the US Government placed him on their Watch List. he must have been doing something right. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : “We were members of the SRF before starting TM in 1967 and were frequent visitors to the Mt. Washington center in L.A.. The meditation is very similar to TM practice and includes the use of a mantra called the hong sau as well as being aware of the sound current. It is a reliable yoga practice but I seem to be more attuned to my TM technique, probably due to the benefit of direct contact with teachers like Jerry Jarvis and MMY - which seems to have added the requisite shakti element to my program.” The “hong-sau” was Yogananda’s Bengali approximation of some ancient breath-phonemes. These are forms of mantra-pranâyama used to un-restrain (“ayama”) the breath. It is a practice found throughout the Yoga-Upanishads. However, the actual Sanskrit is “haṃsa” – pronounced in English equivalency as “hum” (as in the word humble) plus the phoneme “suh” as in the Southern reply “yes suh”. Therefore, the accurate pronunciation in Sanskrit is “humsuh”. The Bengali-English equivalent would be either “hungsuh” (not like hoong” but like “he hung himself”) or with long “ah-s” as the phoneme “hângsâh”. The phoneme“hong” is a straightforward pronunciation-equivalent. The so-called phoneme “sau” is pronounced in Sanskrit like the English word “sow” and was an unwieldy attempt by Yogananda to approximate the phoneme “sah”. When joined with the breath, the in-breath sound is hum and the out-breath sound is suh. As it says in one of the Yoga-upanishad-s, when performed long enough, this pranâyama-mantra reverses and becomes the more common prana-mantra sohaṃ - pronounced so on the inbreath and hum on the outbreath. This is an Upanishad identity mantra: Soham means He I am (parsed as sah-aham) but joined in Sanskrit sandhi (phonemic union). ♫ Paramahânsa Yogânânda parlez-vous? ♫
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awake: The Life Of Yogananda - Rotten Tomatoes
Yogananda had nothing close to TM. His techniques were all directed attention. His OM meditation at the ajña-chakra was far away from TM.
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Who is the Vajra Regent? The Vajra Regent was Chogyam Trungpa’s personally chose successor. Original name Thomas Rich later named Ösel Tendzin. During the controversy, Pema Chödrön (the so-called monastic) used to hold meetings where she would say “We can’t judge … we should just do our practice … the lineage is more important than us … blah blah.” I have close friends who were there both before and after this controversy. To this day, they still have contempt for Chödrön and the other appeasers. Like many others, they left and went with other Tibetan teachers. I met them about four years afterward.
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Empty, When there's Something Good Happening*, everyone wants the credit. Keep it up! See you on the other side, Full ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote : Yogananda had nothing close to TM. His techniques were all directed attention. His OM meditation at the ajña-chakra was far away from TM.
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On 8/27/2014 2:22 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Whatever happened to the 14 yr old boy that the Vajra Regent knowingly infected with AIDS. Is he still living? You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you post your comments. Do they have a public library where you live? 'The Double Mirror: A Skeptical Journey into Buddhist Tantra' by Stephen T. Butterfield North Atlantic Books, 1994
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You are supposed to be intelligent before you try and act intelligent.
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On 8/27/2014 2:28 PM, 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Who is the Vajra Regent? Do they have Google Search where you live, Rick? There is no /Vajra Regent/ anymore, at least not one appointed by Trungpa. You are supposed to read the messages here BEFORE you ask your questions. I just posted the information about two hours ago to your own FFL news group. Go figure. Ösel Tendzin was a western Buddhist. He was Chögyam Trungpa's principal student. On August 22, 1976, Chögyam Trungpa empowered Ösel Tendzin as his Vajra Regent and first Western lineage holder in the Tibetan Karma Kagyü and Nyingma lineages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96sel_Tendzin *From:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, August 27, 2014 2:23 PM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Awake: The Life Of Yogananda - Rotten Tomatoes Whatever happened to the 14 yr old boy that the Vajra Regent knowingly infected with AIDS. Is he still living?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Awake: The Life Of Yogananda - Rotten Tomatoes
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/27/2014 2:28 PM, 'Rick Archer' rick@... mailto:rick@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Who is the Vajra Regent? I don't have 2 cents to contribute, but I hang out with Trungpa Rimpoche in NYC, back in the day. Hope this helps sort this out a bit. If not, please continue without me, if I have nothing (get it?). Do they have Google Search where you live, Rick? There is no Vajra Regent anymore, at least not one appointed by Trungpa. You are supposed to read the messages here BEFORE you ask your questions. I just posted the information about two hours ago to your own FFL news group. Go figure. Ösel Tendzin was a western Buddhist. He was Chögyam Trungpa's principal student. On August 22, 1976, Chögyam Trungpa empowered Ösel Tendzin as his Vajra Regent and first Western lineage holder in the Tibetan Karma Kagyü and Nyingma lineages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96sel_Tendzin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96sel_Tendzin From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 2:23 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Awake: The Life Of Yogananda - Rotten Tomatoes Whatever happened to the 14 yr old boy that the Vajra Regent knowingly infected with AIDS. Is he still living?
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On 8/27/2014 3:25 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yogananda had nothing close to TM. His techniques were all directed attention. His OM meditation at the ajña-chakra was far away from TM. How would you know?
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On 8/27/2014 4:20 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: You are supposed to be intelligent before you try and act intelligent. You are supposed to try to make sense if you are intelligent.
