[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Maharishi used to "joke" about "meditation police" who would pick > up people > > on the street who didn't look happy and put them in "meditation > asylums," > > one wonders. > > > > Is it possible to force someone to meditate? And what do you call a > judge who makes practicing meditation part of a prison parole > agreement? No, but a project can be based on volunteering based on a presumption, certainly justifiable, of all sorts of extended benefits and priveleges. I have received an email about a project in the nineites in the UK which was driven by a meditating inmate. He knew all the right buttons to push, but it fell flat on its face because the prison governor was expected to pay for the project out of his fund rather than central government who are the real beneficiaries through reduced re-offending. The TMO behaved well but were a bit intransigent. It was Whitehall who were the idiots, probably because a particular civil servant feared personal humiliation for not having done the project twenty years earlier. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > on 2/24/06 7:22 AM, Rick Archer at fairfieldlife@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > So here's a partial list of dictators that Maharishi has > > praised, > > > presumably > > > > > in the hope that they would embrace his message and implement > > it > > > throughout > > > > > their countries, without any messy democracy holding things > up: > > > > > > > > > > The Shah of Iran > > > > > Anastasio Somosa (Nicaragua) > > > > > > > > I should add that he didn't publicly praise these two, but > > privately > > > had, or > > > > tried to have people meet with them in order to solicit their > > support. > > > > > > > > > > Even in a "real world" (not TMO world) perspective, where's the > > harm in > > > trying to get TM instituted in a country run by a dictator? > > > > > > > > > > ...the same harm there is in accusing organisations (e.g. the CIA) > > of crimes that there is no proof that they committed. > > > > It's dishonest. > > If MMY genuinely believes that the CIA (or some other government > agency) is secretly trying to destroy the TMO, how is it dishonest > for him to say it? It may be incorrect, but how is it dishonest to > say what you believe to be true? If I believe you are a murderer without any proof that you are a murderer and go on a soapbox and start shouting that you are a murderer WITHOUT giving the proof, then that's dishonest. There are legitimate avenues of redress if MMY believes the CIA illegally infiltrated the TMO: courts, police, and -- if one believes that the courts and police are compromised by the CIA -- the media. But to accuse an individual/organisation of crimes is not ethical, honest and right action in my opinion... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > certainly don't make friends with the Powers That Be in such a > > place by > > > criticizing them afterall... > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > on 2/24/06 3:50 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Feb 23, 2006, at 5:27 AM, hugheshugo wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> That might have been when I first started questioning the way > > things > > > >>> are run, the next was Maharishi's press conference with > Slobodan > > > >>> Milosovic (the butcher of Belgrade) about what a wronged man > he > > is. > > > >>> But thats another story! > > > >> > > > >> Are you implying that M. supported Milosovic as a leader? > > > >> > > > > > > > > The conference was held in Belgrade with MMY on a big screen > > telling > > > > Milosovic he was a wronged man. Now, if my memory serves me > > correctly > > > > he also said that with our programmes he would stay in power. I > > only > > > > mention my memory because it was either Milosovic or another > tin- > > pot > > > > loony that MMY's support of astonished me. > > > > > > So here's a partial list of dictators that Maharishi has praised, > > presumably > > > in the hope that they would embrace his message and implement it > > throughout > > > their countries, without any messy democracy holding things up: > > > > > > Slobodan Milosovic > > > The Shah of Iran > > > Anastasio Somosa (Nicaragua) > > > "The invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba" > > > "The freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe" > > > "The Divine Rulership of President Abdurrahman Wahid of Indonesia" > > > "The casting off of corrupt democracy by President Robert Guei of > > the Ivory > > > Coast" > > > > > > See http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=49377 > > > > > > > Did it ever work? OTOH, did sucking up to democratic leaders ever > > work either? > > Define "work." In the case of Milosovic and Ferdinand > Marcos and Somosa and the Shah of Iran, they didn't get > to stick around for very long after making nice with MMY. > Some would say that "it worked" in that case since the country must have improved. OTOH, some would saythat even the opportunity for MMY to publicly suck up to a dictator indicates an extreme level of desparation on the dictator's part. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/24/06 2:14 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >> > >> Even in a "real world" (not TMO world) perspective, where's the > > harm in > >> trying to get TM instituted in a country run by a dictator? > > > > > > > > > > ...the same harm there is in accusing organisations (e.g. the CIA) > > of crimes that there is no proof that they committed. > > > > It's dishonest. > > Also, if any of these dictators had taken the bait, how forcible would they > have been in getting all their citizens to meditate? Considering that > Maharishi used to "joke" about "meditation police" who would pick up people > on the street who didn't look happy and put them in "meditation asylums," > one wonders. > IS it possible to force someone to meditate? And what do you call a judge who makes practicing meditation part of a prison parole agreement? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > on 2/24/06 7:22 AM, Rick Archer at fairfieldlife@ wrote: > > > > > > > > So here's a partial list of dictators that Maharishi has > praised, > > presumably > > > > in the hope that they would embrace his message and implement > it > > throughout > > > > their countries, without any messy democracy holding things up: > > > > > > > > The Shah of Iran > > > > Anastasio Somosa (Nicaragua) > > > > > > I should add that he didn't publicly praise these two, but > privately > > had, or > > > tried to have people meet with them in order to solicit their > support. > > > > > > > Even in a "real world" (not TMO world) perspective, where's the > harm in > > trying to get TM instituted in a country run by a dictator? > > > > > ...the same harm there is in accusing organisations (e.g. the CIA) > of crimes that there is no proof that they committed. > > It's dishonest. If MMY genuinely believes that the CIA (or some other government agency) is secretly trying to destroy the TMO, how is it dishonest for him to say it? It may be incorrect, but how is it dishonest to say what you believe to be true? > > > > > > > You > > certainly don't make friends with the Powers That Be in such a > place by > > criticizing them afterall... > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/24/06 12:13:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, > > > > shempmcgurk@ writes: > > > > > > > > Ortega, to his credit, has now denounced Marxism and has > > embraced > > > > free markets). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow , a liberal sees the light! > > > > > > Liberals love free markets. > > > > > > > > > > That's the classic definition of a "liberal" which is what many who > > are regarded as conservatives are today...and, by contrast, what is > > called a "liberal" today is one who does NOT love free markets but, > > rather, controls, such as what you go on to describe below... > > > > > > > > > > > They just don't go for controlled, rigged, > > > manipulated ones -- or where market costs go unaccounted for or > > > unpaid by market participants. > > > > While I understand your historical perspective, my take on many > conservatives is that they seek and endorse corporate welfare, large > goverment programs, regulations from which they profit, gov't imposed > barriers to entry in markets they are entrenched, gov't sanction > oligopolistic market structures,etc. Thats in contrast to older style > "real conservatives" who were great defenders of free markets - Milton > Friedman types. Agreed...perhaps a better term for the "real conservatives" as you call them is "libertarians" or "anarcho-capitalists" such as Lew Rockwell. As for those that are for those negative things you list above, I wouldn't call them "capitalists" but "mercantilists". Mercantilism favors controls -- government or otherwise -- that serve to impede and restrict a free market and maintain the status quo; that is, it will tend to keep in place the "robber barons" as they were called in the past. In my opinion, these people are as bad as communists and are NOT free marketers. > > > Not to say that today's liberals are shining lights of integrity. But > most at least give lip service, and sometimes real support, to free > markets and competiton. I would love it if "liberals" would support free markets and competition. But I find that those who describe themselves as liberals are for all sorts of government control and interference. I always thought that liberals were more for controls than conservatives but I would happily be proven wrong. > > For example, breaking up monopolistic power (unless its a natural > monopoly, like utilities) I don't know if "natural monopoly" is the right term for a utility. Perhaps "regulated monopoly" is more apt. I think a "natural monopoly" would be one that arrived at its monopoly status without breaking the law. Contrary to popular belief, monopolies are NOT against the law...only monopolies that arrived at that state illegally. It's probably controversial to use this as an example but Microsoft is, I would say, an example of a "natural monopoly" in that they monopolize operating systems for PCs but arrived at that state without breaking laws (contrary to what Janet Reno -- who did NOT prevail in her fights against Microsoft -- said). > is a very free markets, pro competition > action. Many conservatives drag their feet on such, while liberals > support it. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/24/06 12:13:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, > > > shempmcgurk@ writes: > > > > > > Ortega, to his credit, has now denounced Marxism and has > embraced > > > free markets). > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow , a liberal sees the light! > > > > Liberals love free markets. > > > > > That's the classic definition of a "liberal" which is what many who > are regarded as conservatives are today...and, by contrast, what is > called a "liberal" today is one who does NOT love free markets but, > rather, controls, such as what you go on to describe below... > > > > > > They just don't go for controlled, rigged, > > manipulated ones -- or where market costs go unaccounted for or > > unpaid by market participants. > > While I understand your historical perspective, my take on many conservatives is that they seek and endorse corporate welfare, large goverment programs, regulations from which they profit, gov't imposed barriers to entry in markets they are entrenched, gov't sanction oligopolistic market structures,etc. Thats in contrast to older style "real conservatives" who were great defenders of free markets -Milton Friedman types. Not to say that today's liberals are shining lights of integrity. But most at least give lip service, and sometimes real support, to free markets and competiton. For example, breaking up monopolistic power (unless its a natural monopoly, like utilities) is a very free markets, pro competition action. Many conservatives drag their feet on such, while liberals support it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, foufou_fl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 2/24/06 12:13:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, > > shempmcgurk@ writes: > > > > Ortega, to his credit, has now denounced Marxism and has embraced > > free markets). > > > > > > > > Wow , a liberal sees the light! > > Liberals love free markets. That's the classic definition of a "liberal" which is what many who are regarded as conservatives are today...and, by contrast, what is called a "liberal" today is one who does NOT love free markets but, rather, controls, such as what you go on to describe below... > They just don't go for controlled, rigged, > manipulated ones -- or where market costs go unaccounted for or > unpaid by market participants. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/24/06 12:13:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Ortega, to his credit, has now denounced Marxism and has embraced > free markets). > > > > Wow , a liberal sees the light! Liberals love free markets. They just don't go for controlled, rigged, manipulated ones -- or where market costs go unaccounted for or unpaid by market participants. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
In a message dated 2/24/06 12:13:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ortega, to his credit, has now denounced Marxism and has embraced free markets). Wow , a liberal sees the light! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/24/06 2:14 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> > >> > >> Even in a "real world" (not TMO world) perspective, where's the > > harm in > >> trying to get TM instituted in a country run by a dictator? > > > > > > > > > > ...the same harm there is in accusing organisations (e.g. the CIA) > > of crimes that there is no proof that they committed. > > > > It's dishonest. > > Also, if any of these dictators had taken the bait, how forcible would they > have been in getting all their citizens to meditate? Considering that > Maharishi used to "joke" about "meditation police" who would pick up people > on the street who didn't look happy and put them in "meditation asylums," > one wonders. > PLUS all the bad publicity that would have kicked back to the "good" countries like US and Canada that we saw fit to sleep in the same bed so to speak with dictators... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > on 2/24/06 3:50 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> On Feb 23, 2006, at 5:27 AM, hugheshugo wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> That might have been when I first started questioning the > way > > > things > > > > >>> are run, the next was Maharishi's press conference with > > Slobodan > > > > >>> Milosovic (the butcher of Belgrade) about what a wronged > man > > he > > > is. > > > > >>> But thats another story! > > > > >> > > > > >> Are you implying that M. supported Milosovic as a leader? > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The conference was held in Belgrade with MMY on a big screen > > > telling > > > > > Milosovic he was a wronged man. Now, if my memory serves me > > > correctly > > > > > he also said that with our programmes he would stay in power. > I > > > only > > > > > mention my memory because it was either Milosovic or another > > tin- > > > pot > > > > > loony that MMY's support of astonished me. > > > > > > > > So here's a partial list of dictators that Maharishi has > praised, > > > presumably > > > > in the hope that they would embrace his message and implement > it > > > throughout > > > > their countries, without any messy democracy holding things up: > > > > > > > > Slobodan Milosovic > > > > The Shah of Iran > > > > Anastasio Somosa (Nicaragua) > > > > "The invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba" > > > > "The freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe" > > > > "The Divine Rulership of President Abdurrahman Wahid of > Indonesia" > > > > "The casting off of corrupt democracy by President Robert Guei > of > > > the Ivory > > > > Coast" > > > > > > > > See http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=49377 > > > > > > > > > > Did it ever work? OTOH, did sucking up to democratic leaders ever > > > work either? > > > > Define "work." In the case of Milosovic and Ferdinand > > Marcos and Somosa and the Shah of Iran, they didn't get > > to stick around for very long after making nice with MMY. > > Hmm, wonder if we could get MMy together with Bush... > Oh, how clever, Judy, you've associated George W. Bush in a discussion of dictators...I wonder what the implication here is... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > > wrote: > > > > > > on 2/24/06 3:50 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Feb 23, 2006, at 5:27 AM, hugheshugo wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> That might have been when I first started questioning the way > > things > > > >>> are run, the next was Maharishi's press conference with > Slobodan > > > >>> Milosovic (the butcher of Belgrade) about what a wronged man > he > > is. > > > >>> But thats another story! > > > >> > > > >> Are you implying that M. supported Milosovic as a leader? > > > >> > > > > > > > > The conference was held in Belgrade with MMY on a big screen > > telling > > > > Milosovic he was a wronged man. Now, if my memory serves me > > correctly > > > > he also said that with our programmes he would stay in power. I > > only > > > > mention my memory because it was either Milosovic or another > tin- > > pot > > > > loony that MMY's support of astonished me. > > > > > > So here's a partial list of dictators that Maharishi has praised, > > presumably > > > in the hope that they would embrace his message and implement it > > throughout > > > their countries, without any messy democracy holding things up: > > > > > > Slobodan Milosovic > > > The Shah of Iran > > > Anastasio Somosa (Nicaragua) > > > "The invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba" > > > "The freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe" > > > "The Divine Rulership of President Abdurrahman Wahid of Indonesia" > > > "The casting off of corrupt democracy by President Robert Guei of > > the Ivory > > > Coast" > > > > > > See http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=49377 > > > > > > > Did it ever work? OTOH, did sucking up to democratic leaders ever > > work either? > > Define "work." In the case of Milosovic and Ferdinand > Marcos and Somosa and the Shah of Iran, they didn't get > to stick around for very long after making nice with MMY. Hmm, wonder if we could get MMy together with Bush... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 2/24/06 3:50 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> On Feb 23, 2006, at 5:27 AM, hugheshugo wrote: > > >> > > >>> That might have been when I first started questioning the way > things > > >>> are run, the next was Maharishi's press conference with Slobodan > > >>> Milosovic (the butcher of Belgrade) about what a wronged man he > is. > > >>> But thats another story! > > >> > > >> Are you implying that M. supported Milosovic as a leader? > > >> > > > > > > The conference was held in Belgrade with MMY on a big screen > telling > > > Milosovic he was a wronged man. Now, if my memory serves me > correctly > > > he also said that with our programmes he would stay in power. I > only > > > mention my memory because it was either Milosovic or another tin- > pot > > > loony that MMY's support of astonished me. > > > > So here's a partial list of dictators that Maharishi has praised, > presumably > > in the hope that they would embrace his message and implement it > throughout > > their countries, without any messy democracy holding things up: > > > > Slobodan Milosovic > > The Shah of Iran > > Anastasio Somosa (Nicaragua) > > "The invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba" > > "The freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe" > > "The Divine Rulership of President Abdurrahman Wahid of Indonesia" > > "The casting off of corrupt democracy by President Robert Guei of > the Ivory > > Coast" > > > > See http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=49377 > > > > Did it ever work? OTOH, did sucking up to democratic leaders ever > work either? Define "work." In the case of Milosovic and Ferdinand Marcos and Somosa and the Shah of Iran, they didn't get to stick around for very long after making nice with MMY. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
on 2/24/06 2:14 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >> >> Even in a "real world" (not TMO world) perspective, where's the > harm in >> trying to get TM instituted in a country run by a dictator? > > > > > ...the same harm there is in accusing organisations (e.g. the CIA) > of crimes that there is no proof that they committed. > > It's dishonest. Also, if any of these dictators had taken the bait, how forcible would they have been in getting all their citizens to meditate? Considering that Maharishi used to "joke" about "meditation police" who would pick up people on the street who didn't look happy and put them in "meditation asylums," one wonders. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 2/24/06 7:22 AM, Rick Archer at fairfieldlife@ wrote: > > > > > > So here's a partial list of dictators that Maharishi has praised, > presumably > > > in the hope that they would embrace his message and implement it > throughout > > > their countries, without any messy democracy holding things up: > > > > > > The Shah of Iran > > > Anastasio Somosa (Nicaragua) > > > > I should add that he didn't publicly praise these two, but privately > had, or > > tried to have people meet with them in order to solicit their support. > > > > Even in a "real world" (not TMO world) perspective, where's the harm in > trying to get TM instituted in a country run by a dictator? ...the same harm there is in accusing organisations (e.g. the CIA) of crimes that there is no proof that they committed. It's dishonest. > You > certainly don't make friends with the Powers That Be in such a place by > criticizing them afterall... > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > wrote: > > > > on 2/24/06 3:50 AM, hugheshugo at richardhughes103@ wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> On Feb 23, 2006, at 5:27 AM, hugheshugo wrote: > > >> > > >>> That might have been when I first started questioning the way > things > > >>> are run, the next was Maharishi's press conference with Slobodan > > >>> Milosovic (the butcher of Belgrade) about what a wronged man he > is. > > >>> But thats another story! > > >> > > >> Are you implying that M. supported Milosovic as a leader? > > >> > > > > > > The conference was held in Belgrade with MMY on a big screen > telling > > > Milosovic he was a wronged man. Now, if my memory serves me > correctly > > > he also said that with our programmes he would stay in power. I > only > > > mention my memory because it was either Milosovic or another tin- > pot > > > loony that MMY's support of astonished me. > > > > So here's a partial list of dictators that Maharishi has praised, > presumably > > in the hope that they would embrace his message and implement it > throughout > > their countries, without any messy democracy holding things up: > > > > Slobodan Milosovic > > The Shah of Iran > > Anastasio Somosa (Nicaragua) > > "The invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba" > > "The freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe" > > "The Divine Rulership of President Abdurrahman Wahid of Indonesia" > > "The casting off of corrupt democracy by President Robert Guei of > the Ivory > > Coast" > > > > See http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=49377 > > > > Did it ever work? OTOH, did sucking up to democratic leaders ever > work either? > During the time that MMY was inaugurating the Dawn of the Age of Enlightenment (circa 1975) he visited Canada and had an audience with then-Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau. On the front page of every newspaper the next day was a photo of MMY and PET. Did this instance of sucking up to a democratic leader work? Who knows? But at the time I was a big admirer of Trudeau (not any more!) and, of course, a great admirer of MMY...so, for me, it worked. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/24/06 7:22 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > So here's a partial list of dictators that Maharishi has praised, presumably > > in the hope that they would embrace his message and implement it throughout > > their countries, without any messy democracy holding things up: > > > > The Shah of Iran > > Anastasio Somosa (Nicaragua) > > I should add that he didn't publicly praise these two, but privately had, or > tried to have people meet with them in order to solicit their support. > Even in a "real world" (not TMO world) perspective, where's the harm in trying to get TM instituted in a country run by a dictator? You certainly don't make friends with the Powers That Be in such a place by criticizing them afterall... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/24/06 3:50 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Feb 23, 2006, at 5:27 AM, hugheshugo wrote: > >> > >>> That might have been when I first started questioning the way things > >>> are run, the next was Maharishi's press conference with Slobodan > >>> Milosovic (the butcher of Belgrade) about what a wronged man he is. > >>> But thats another story! > >> > >> Are you implying that M. supported Milosovic as a leader? > >> > > > > The conference was held in Belgrade with MMY on a big screen telling > > Milosovic he was a wronged man. Now, if my memory serves me correctly > > he also said that with our programmes he would stay in power. I only > > mention my memory because it was either Milosovic or another tin- pot > > loony that MMY's support of astonished me. > > So here's a partial list of dictators that Maharishi has praised, presumably > in the hope that they would embrace his message and implement it throughout > their countries, without any messy democracy holding things up: > > Slobodan Milosovic > The Shah of Iran > Anastasio Somosa (Nicaragua) > "The invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba" > "The freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe" > "The Divine Rulership of President Abdurrahman Wahid of Indonesia" > "The casting off of corrupt democracy by President Robert Guei of the Ivory > Coast" > > See http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=49377 > Did it ever work? OTOH, did sucking up to democratic leaders ever work either? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I predict the plan to make vedic city, iowa a pilgrimage > > > > > center for hindus will be even more successful than MMY's > > > > > plan to make (doug henning's) vedaland more popular than > > > > > disneyworld, though not as successful as his plan to make > > > > > hagelin president. > > > > > > > > A fairly safe prediction. :-) > > > > > > > > I wonder whether one of the major factors involved in > > > > the failure of these ideas is the near-total lack of > > > > familiarity on the part of Maharishi and the TMO > > > > higher-ups with the common people they think they are > > > > appealing to. > > > > > > > > I mean (a question for those of you who might know), > > > > how long has it *been* since Maharishi met someone > > > > face to face who does not practice TM and who does > > > > not have the money to buy their way into his presence? > > > > Ten years? Fifteen years? Longer? All that time, as > > > > far as I know, the *only* people he has interfaced > > > > with are the Truest of the True Believers, complete > > > > Yes-men and Yes-women who *share* his disdain for > > > > and distance from the common people of the planet. > > > > > > > > The *arrogance* of it all is not unlike George W. > > > > Bush pretending to understand and care about the > > > > problems of the middle class in America. Bush not > > > > only knows nothing about them; chances are that > > > > he hasn't even *talked* with any of them in his > > > > entire life. He's *famous* for wanting to be > > > > surrounded only by people of his "class." > > > > > > > > These projects are meant to appeal to Maharishi's > > > > *fantasies* of what people are like and what they > > > > want, not what people are really like and what > > > > they want. No wonder they don't work. As Jimi > > > > Hendrix once sang: > > > > > > > > And so castles made of sand > > > > slip into the sea, eventually > > > > > > > > > > When I was on the Dubrovnik Peace Project, which ran 1999/2000, > we > > > were visited by a movement PR guy raising money for Doug Hennings > > > veda land. > > > > > > He gave us a presentation about floating buildings, budget&Profit > > > forecasts and some focus group/bullsh*t and told us the minimum > > > investment was $50,000. It was a perticularly depressing night > > with > > > talk mostly of money and investments only and nothing even > > remotelty > > > spiritual. > > > > > > We then had a Q&A session in which people asked how the project > > was > > > going (Very well) How Doug was and what he's been up to (working > > hard > > > and totally devoted to veda land) > > > > > > The course leaders pointed out who the richest CP's were and he > > spent > > > a few days courting them before flying home. 1st class of course. > > > > > > Imagine our surpise when Doug Henning died the very next week and > > we > > > found out had been seriously ill for some time. I mean, what a > > > cynical exercise. I wish I could remember the PR guys name, what > a > > > soul-less prick. Age of Enlightenment behaviour? I think not. > > > > > > That might have been when I first started questioning the way > > things > > > are run, the next was Maharishi's press conference with Slobodan > > > Milosovic (the butcher of Belgrade) about what a wronged man he > > is. > > > But thats another story! > > > > > > I wonder if anyone ever got a refund. > > > > No way. We did collect a lot of money in Norway many years ago to > > one of the numerous projects in Norway - which never came through. > I > > asked the National Leader to pay the money back to the donators - > > because I thought about the future, if we had to ask for money to > > another project. > > The answer was No. The result was that the donations dried out -. > > The money and the TMO is very disappointing and dishonest. > > Ingegerd > > > > > > At least you tried, what a shame they can't sort that out it would > inspire a bit of confidence at least. > In the US at least, people have to request their money be refunded. NPO's don't automatically refund donations, AFAIK. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/24/06 7:22 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > So here's a partial list of dictators that Maharishi has praised, presumably > > in the hope that they would embrace his message and implement it throughout > > their countries, without any messy democracy holding things up: > > > > The Shah of Iran > > Anastasio Somosa (Nicaragua) > > I should add that he didn't publicly praise these two, but privately had, or > tried to have people meet with them in order to solicit their support. > ...not that those two were any cups of tea...and, certainly, I have a big problem with MMY making comments about ANYTHING to do with world politics but the two dictators above (both supported by the USA) were examples of dictators who were replaced by worse: the Shah was replaced by the current Islamic Theocracy and Somosa by the murderous and Marxist Sandanistas (whose leader at the time, Daniel Ortega, to his credit, has now denounced Marxism and has embraced free markets). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
On Feb 24, 2006, at 8:22 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 2/24/06 3:50 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 23, 2006, at 5:27 AM, hugheshugo wrote: That might have been when I first started questioning the way things are run, the next was Maharishi's press conference with Slobodan Milosovic (the butcher of Belgrade) about what a wronged man he is. But thats another story! Are you implying that M. supported Milosovic as a leader? The conference was held in Belgrade with MMY on a big screen telling Milosovic he was a wronged man. Now, if my memory serves me correctly he also said that with our programmes he would stay in power. I only mention my memory because it was either Milosovic or another tin-pot loony that MMY's support of astonished me. So here's a partial list of dictators that Maharishi has praised, presumably in the hope that they would embrace his message and implement it throughout their countries, without any messy democracy holding things up: Slobodan Milosovic The Shah of Iran Anastasio Somosa (Nicaragua) "The invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba" "The freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe" "The Divine Rulership of President Abdurrahman Wahid of Indonesia" "The casting off of corrupt democracy by President Robert Guei of the Ivory Coast" See http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=49377 In the relative we could complain...Big Picture is everyone has a motherand someone who loves you.Who's to say the lubrication for their evolutionwas not provided by a small old expensive indian guruwho relaxed their tensions with his laughters and a smile?If not him, who else?Well, you and me of course! :-))) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
on 2/24/06 7:22 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So here's a partial list of dictators that Maharishi has praised, presumably > in the hope that they would embrace his message and implement it throughout > their countries, without any messy democracy holding things up: > > The Shah of Iran > Anastasio Somosa (Nicaragua) I should add that he didn't publicly praise these two, but privately had, or tried to have people meet with them in order to solicit their support. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
on 2/24/06 3:50 AM, hugheshugo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> On Feb 23, 2006, at 5:27 AM, hugheshugo wrote: >> >>> That might have been when I first started questioning the way things >>> are run, the next was Maharishi's press conference with Slobodan >>> Milosovic (the butcher of Belgrade) about what a wronged man he is. >>> But thats another story! >> >> Are you implying that M. supported Milosovic as a leader? >> > > The conference was held in Belgrade with MMY on a big screen telling > Milosovic he was a wronged man. Now, if my memory serves me correctly > he also said that with our programmes he would stay in power. I only > mention my memory because it was either Milosovic or another tin-pot > loony that MMY's support of astonished me. So here's a partial list of dictators that Maharishi has praised, presumably in the hope that they would embrace his message and implement it throughout their countries, without any messy democracy holding things up: Slobodan Milosovic The Shah of Iran Anastasio Somosa (Nicaragua) "The invincibility of President Fidel Castro of Cuba" "The freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe" "The Divine Rulership of President Abdurrahman Wahid of Indonesia" "The casting off of corrupt democracy by President Robert Guei of the Ivory Coast" See http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=49377 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 23, 2006, at 5:27 AM, hugheshugo wrote: > > > That might have been when I first started questioning the way things > > are run, the next was Maharishi's press conference with Slobodan > > Milosovic (the butcher of Belgrade) about what a wronged man he is. > > But thats another story! > > Are you implying that M. supported Milosovic as a leader? One argument is that we should get coherence groups as close as possible to the source of the trouble, My view is that MMY has a "my enemies enemy is my friend" approach to politics, hence all the congratulating of Mugabe in throwing off his colonial chains, or Osama Bin Laden remaing free because of our coherence efforts, I was dead surprised at that one too! > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 23, 2006, at 5:27 AM, hugheshugo wrote: > > > That might have been when I first started questioning the way things > > are run, the next was Maharishi's press conference with Slobodan > > Milosovic (the butcher of Belgrade) about what a wronged man he is. > > But thats another story! > > Are you implying that M. supported Milosovic as a leader? > The conference was held in Belgrade with MMY on a big screen telling Milosovic he was a wronged man. Now, if my memory serves me correctly he also said that with our programmes he would stay in power. I only mention my memory because it was either Milosovic or another tin-pot loony that MMY's support of astonished me. One argument is that we get coherence groups as near to the trouble as we can, my view is that MMY has a "my enemies enemy is my friend" attitude, as evidenced by his comments about Osama Bin Laden remaining free because of us that he made on the channel a few years ago, interestingly the journalist who had asked about afgahnistan wrote back and asked if he was serious and J hagelin (to his credit) read out the question and said he didn't think thats what MMY meant though it was plain as day to me. Regardless, I think pitching our tent near people like that is foolish and very bad PR. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I predict the plan to make vedic city, iowa a pilgrimage > > > > center for hindus will be even more successful than MMY's > > > > plan to make (doug henning's) vedaland more popular than > > > > disneyworld, though not as successful as his plan to make > > > > hagelin president. > > > > > > A fairly safe prediction. :-) > > > > > > I wonder whether one of the major factors involved in > > > the failure of these ideas is the near-total lack of > > > familiarity on the part of Maharishi and the TMO > > > higher-ups with the common people they think they are > > > appealing to. > > > > > > I mean (a question for those of you who might know), > > > how long has it *been* since Maharishi met someone > > > face to face who does not practice TM and who does > > > not have the money to buy their way into his presence? > > > Ten years? Fifteen years? Longer? All that time, as > > > far as I know, the *only* people he has interfaced > > > with are the Truest of the True Believers, complete > > > Yes-men and Yes-women who *share* his disdain for > > > and distance from the common people of the planet. > > > > > > The *arrogance* of it all is not unlike George W. > > > Bush pretending to understand and care about the > > > problems of the middle class in America. Bush not > > > only knows nothing about them; chances are that > > > he hasn't even *talked* with any of them in his > > > entire life. He's *famous* for wanting to be > > > surrounded only by people of his "class." > > > > > > These projects are meant to appeal to Maharishi's > > > *fantasies* of what people are like and what they > > > want, not what people are really like and what > > > they want. No wonder they don't work. As Jimi > > > Hendrix once sang: > > > > > > And so castles made of sand > > > slip into the sea, eventually > > > > > > > When I was on the Dubrovnik Peace Project, which ran 1999/2000, we > > were visited by a movement PR guy raising money for Doug Hennings > > veda land. > > > > He gave us a presentation about floating buildings, budget&Profit > > forecasts and some focus group/bullsh*t and told us the minimum > > investment was $50,000. It was a perticularly depressing night > with > > talk mostly of money and investments only and nothing even > remotelty > > spiritual. > > > > We then had a Q&A session in which people asked how the project > was > > going (Very well) How Doug was and what he's been up to (working > hard > > and totally devoted to veda land) > > > > The course leaders pointed out who the richest CP's were and he > spent > > a few days courting them before flying home. 1st class of course. > > > > Imagine our surpise when Doug Henning died the very next week and > we > > found out had been seriously ill for some time. I mean, what a > > cynical exercise. I wish I could remember the PR guys name, what a > > soul-less prick. Age of Enlightenment behaviour? I think not. > > > > That might have been when I first started questioning the way > things > > are run, the next was Maharishi's press conference with Slobodan > > Milosovic (the butcher of Belgrade) about what a wronged man he > is. > > But thats another story! > > > > I wonder if anyone ever got a refund. > > No way. We did collect a lot of money in Norway many years ago to > one of the numerous projects in Norway - which never came through. I > asked the National Leader to pay the money back to the donators - > because I thought about the future, if we had to ask for money to > another project. > The answer was No. The result was that the donations dried out -. > The money and the TMO is very disappointing and dishonest. > Ingegerd > > > At least you tried, what a shame they can't sort that out it would inspire a bit of confidence at least. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here is something that amazed me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > > wrote: > > > > > > I predict the plan to make vedic city, iowa a pilgrimage > > > center for hindus will be even more successful than MMY's > > > plan to make (doug henning's) vedaland more popular than > > > disneyworld, though not as successful as his plan to make > > > hagelin president. > > > > A fairly safe prediction. :-) > > > > I wonder whether one of the major factors involved in > > the failure of these ideas is the near-total lack of > > familiarity on the part of Maharishi and the TMO > > higher-ups with the common people they think they are > > appealing to. > > > > I mean (a question for those of you who might know), > > how long has it *been* since Maharishi met someone > > face to face who does not practice TM and who does > > not have the money to buy their way into his presence? > > Ten years? Fifteen years? Longer? All that time, as > > far as I know, the *only* people he has interfaced > > with are the Truest of the True Believers, complete > > Yes-men and Yes-women who *share* his disdain for > > and distance from the common people of the planet. > > > > The *arrogance* of it all is not unlike George W. > > Bush pretending to understand and care about the > > problems of the middle class in America. Bush not > > only knows nothing about them; chances are that > > he hasn't even *talked* with any of them in his > > entire life. He's *famous* for wanting to be > > surrounded only by people of his "class." > > > > These projects are meant to appeal to Maharishi's > > *fantasies* of what people are like and what they > > want, not what people are really like and what > > they want. No wonder they don't work. As Jimi > > Hendrix once sang: > > > > And so castles made of sand > > slip into the sea, eventually > > > > When I was on the Dubrovnik Peace Project, which ran 1999/2000, we > were visited by a movement PR guy raising money for Doug Hennings > veda land. > > He gave us a presentation about floating buildings, budget&Profit > forecasts and some focus group/bullsh*t and told us the minimum > investment was $50,000. It was a perticularly depressing night with > talk mostly of money and investments only and nothing even remotelty > spiritual. > > We then had a Q&A session in which people asked how the project was > going (Very well) How Doug was and what he's been up to (working hard > and totally devoted to veda land) > > The course leaders pointed out who the richest CP's were and he spent > a few days courting them before flying home. 1st class of course. > > Imagine our surpise when Doug Henning died the very next week and we > found out had been seriously ill for some time. I mean, what a > cynical exercise. I wish I could remember the PR guys name, what a > soul-less prick. Age of Enlightenment behaviour? I think not. > > That might have been when I first started questioning the way things > are run, the next was Maharishi's press conference with Slobodan > Milosovic (the butcher of Belgrade) about what a wronged man he is. > But thats another story! > > I wonder if anyone ever got a refund. No way. We did collect a lot of money in Norway many years ago to one of the numerous projects in Norway - which never came through. I asked the National Leader to pay the money back to the donators - because I thought about the future, if we had to ask for money to another project. The answer was No. The result was that the donations dried out -. The money and the TMO is very disappointing and dishonest. Ingegerd > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
