Thanks. Good information and book cite.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is certainly one take on it. You'd get an argument
> from many orthodox Christians, however.
>
> Paul never met Jesus in the flesh; he had a mystical
> encounter, as h
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> > You might also enjoy (possibly a lot more, because
> > you'll be laughing most of the time)
>
> Thanks for the recommendation.
>
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You might also enjoy (possibly a lot more, because
> you'll be laughing most of the time)
Thanks for the recommendation.
Just for the record, I love to laugh and do it at
every opportunity. But I don't find it *more*
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> You might enjoy reading Hyam Maccoby's "The Myth-Maker:
> Paul and the Invention of Christianity." Maccoby is
> a Talmudic scholar and makes what seems to me to be
> a very tight case for much of what I outlined in
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> > That is one of the best ones. When I first watched
> it
> > on TV many years ago I had a very powerful
> spiritual
> > experience. I was watching the scene with Peter
>
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> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tur
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "
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> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Turquois
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "eptfnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > > So far, however, it IS an interesting picture of
>
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> > > But if Paul hadn't come along decades later and started
> > > preaching universal redemption, the Jesus movement might
> > > well have died out. Because Paul opened Christianity
> > > to gentiles and upped the st
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> Akasha:
> > > > > Was Jesus enlightened? Same questions as above, but
inverted.
> Unc:
> > > > I don't know, but I suspect the dude was pretty high.
>
> A:
> > > He may have been. Its also possible that he was a rat
Akasha:
> > > > Was Jesus enlightened? Same questions as above, but inverted.
Unc:
> > > I don't know, but I suspect the dude was pretty high.
A:
> > He may have been. Its also possible that he was a rather simple
man, and 2000 years of hype have made us think he must have been a
high saint. Hist
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >
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> > > Was Jesus enlightened? Same questions as above, but inverted.
> >
> > I don't know, but I suspect the dude was pretty high.
>
> He may
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > So I'd speculate that perhaps the purpose of the film
> > is to renew and reinforce the belief that they've been
> > forgiven, in ex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >
> > Was Jesus enlightened? Same questions as above, but inverted.
>
> I don't know, but I suspect the dude was pretty high.
He may have been. Its also possible that he was a rather simple man,
and 2000 years of hype have ma
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >
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> > But if you're not clueless, perhaps you could explain
> > to me what you saw in that film that you felt conveyed
> > a spiritual lesson of va
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > But if you're not clueless, perhaps you could explain
> > to me what you saw in that film that you felt conveyed
> > a spiritual les
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >
> But if you're not clueless, perhaps you could explain
> to me what you saw in that film that you felt conveyed
> a spiritual lesson of value.
Was the purpose of the film to provide a spiritual lesson? Paricularly
was it t
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> That is one of the best ones. When I first watched it
> on TV many years ago I had a very powerful spiritual
> experience. I was watching the scene with Peter
> denying Christ and scurrying around trying to hide
> from peopl
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> > I wish Mel had done a "mini series" type film
> > that you see every few years on TV about Christ.
> Even
> > with their bumps and warts they are deeply moving.
> The
>
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> I wish Mel had done a "mini series" type film
> that you see every few years on TV about Christ. Even
> with their bumps and warts they are deeply moving. The
> scene of Jesus carrying his cross up to his
> crucifixtion and
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> But if you're not clueless, perhaps you could explain
> to me what you saw in that film that you felt conveyed
> a spiritual lesson of value. For me, it was sadly a
> two-hour dissertation on sadism, and an attempt to
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>
> To balance this, many aspects of the film were
> praiseworthy. I thought the casting was good,
> and the use of the real Aramaic, Latin and
> Hebrew was really fascinating, and added to my
> understanding. Visually, the film was probably
If you've never heard the song, think "Delta Blues"
to get a feel for the rhythm:
> Mary grows a child without the help of a man
> Joseph get upset because he doesn't understand
> Angel comes to Joseph in a powerful dream
> Says "God did this and you're part of his scheme"
> Joseph comes to Mary w
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> It's just that the *focus* seems somehow WAY OFF
> to me. If I were a strong believer in Christ as
> my primary spiritual teacher, and wanted to do
> justice to the inspiration and light he had brought
> to my life, I
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> > You raise being clueless to an Art Form.
>
> Cool. My path involves turning *everything* into
> an artform. :-)
>
> But if you're not clueless, perhaps you could explain
> to me what you saw in that film that you
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > > So far, however, it IS an interesting picture of
> >
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "eptfnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > > So far, however, it IS an interesting picture of
>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Some friends rented it a year ago when I was vacationing with
them.
> > We ripped it apart. You get the impression that the phrase "Jesus
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > So far, however, it IS an interesting picture of
> > Missing The Point Of The Spiritual Quest Entirely.
>
>
> Hmm, and you offer WHAT/WHO
eptfnj wrote:
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>
>>Some friends rented it a year ago when I was vacationing with them.
>>We ripped it apart. You get the impression that the phrase "Jesus
>>died for your sins" was really aimed at the group that v
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Some friends rented it a year ago when I was vacationing with
them.
> > We ripped it apart. You get the impression that the phrase "Jes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "eptfnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Some friends rented it a year ago when I was vacationing with
them.
> > We ripped it apart. You get the impression that the phrase "Jes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "eptfnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > So far, however, it IS an interesting picture of
> > Missing The Point Of The Spiritual Quest Entirely.
>
>
> Hmm, and you offer WHAT/WHO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "eptfnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > So far, however, it IS an interesting picture of
> > Missing The Point Of The Spiritual Quest Entirely.
>
>
> Hmm, and you offer WHAT/WHO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Some friends rented it a year ago when I was vacationing with them.
> We ripped it apart. You get the impression that the phrase "Jesus
> died for your sins" was really aimed at the group that voted for his
> death.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So far, however, it IS an interesting picture of
> Missing The Point Of The Spiritual Quest Entirely.
Hmm, and you offer WHAT/WHO in comparison?
You raise being clueless to an Art Form.
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