[FairfieldLife] Re: More Gibson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/1/06 12:50:58 P.M. Central > > Daylight Time, > > > > jstein@ writes: > > > > > > > > *If* he really wants to be a decent person and > > live > > > > up to his Christian ideals, his father's anti- > > > > Semitism must be a horrible conflict for him. He > > > > > > seems not to be able to cross his father; maybe > > > > > > he's afraid his father won't love him any more > > if > > > > he does. Not a good place to be in. > > > > > > > > He may believe in the biblical teaching that one > > doesn't betray > > or > > > > disrespect ones authority figures, no matter how > > wrong the may be > > > > because God gave them authority over you. > > > > > > On the other hand, he has said that his father has > > > "never lied to him." > > > > > > It's a good point, though, that he may actually > > have > > > a religious conflict, but I'd suggest that's in > > > addition to an emotional conflict about publicly > > > disagreeing with his father. > > > > > > As a public figure himself who made a > > controversial > > > movie about Jesus Christ, he can't just keep > > entirely > > > silent. He's going to be asked about it over and > > > over, and whatever he says is going to be given > > wide > > > publicity. So he really is between a rock and a > > hard > > > place. He can't publicly *agree OR disagree* with > > > his father. > > > > > > No wonder he drinks... > > > > Hmm. Now I'm wondering whether the idea of making > > the movie about Christ was part of this prompting I > > suggested he's getting from his psyche to get the > > conflict with his father out in the open and deal > > with it. > > > > That didn't work, so the next thing was for him to > > have a drunken meltdown in which he more or less > > channeled his father. > > > > Gibson was very good, by the way, in the movie > > "Hamlet," which he directed and starred in. > > "Hamlet" is very much about father conflicts. > > > > Does "Braveheart" have anything about fathers > > in it? I never saw it. > > > > I did see "Patriots" (and wished I hadn't--it was > > dreadful). Can't recall whether there was father > > stuff in that--he *plays* a father, but I'm not > > sure there was anything in it that resonated with > > the current situation. > > A psychoanalytic look at Mel's movies easily reveals > an unresolved Oedipal conflict. In most of his movies > he plays a charming, rebellious, under-valued, > adolescent-like character always bucking the > established authority and at time betrayed by it: > Brave Heart. In a sense Mel is still a boy because of > the narcissitic domination of his father, who from all > accounts, is a real bastard. A stiff, unloving father > who is in unconscious competition with his son can > never truly value and love his son and psychologically > support his transition into adulthood and becoming a > man. Mel has the classic Oedipal, love/hate > relationship with a narcissistic father that produces > a man-boy who is desparately seeking his father's > witheld approval and simultaneously raging against his > father's unacceptance of him. No wonder he > self-medicates with booze. Mel's a bit of a mess! > -Dr. Freud at the Movies Whatcha think of my idea about "Passion of the Christ" being an unsuccessful (subconscious) attempt to force that conflict with his father out in the open--via the anti-Semitism issue-- and the drunken episode being the real (if extremely messy) breakthrough in that regard? I mean, he can't *not* deal with it now. He managed to tiptoe around it with "Passion," but it looks to me like his psyche got so fed up it decided to arrange a head-on collision. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Gibson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > _DRUDGE REPORT FLASH 2006®_ > (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm) Is he > > "acting", out of fear for his career, or sincere? > > Who can say? He certainly has good reason to fear > for his career, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility > that he genuinely wants to be a decent human being. > > I was impressed by this: > > "I am in the process of understanding where those vicious words came > from during that drunken display." > > Actually, it doesn't seem like it would be very > difficult to understand where they came from; anybody > who has ever read anything about his father has a > really good idea where they came from. But maybe > Mel hasn't been able to confront that until now. > > So far, he's been unwilling to say anything against > his father's views. I'd think he has to get to the > point where he can *both* love his father *and* > vehemently disagree with him publicly before he can > really heal himself. Whether that will also heal > his career is another question. > Given his decision to produce the Passion of Christ, I won't take his contriteness as real until he expresses some degree of remorse about that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Gibson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/1/06 2:50:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > That didn't work, so the next thing was for him to > have a drunken meltdown in which he more or less > channeled his father. > > Gibson was very good, by the way, in the movie > "Hamlet," which he directed and starred in. > "Hamlet" is very much about father conflicts. > > Does "Braveheart" have anything about fathers > in it? I never saw it. > > I did see "Patriots" (and wished I hadn't--it was > dreadful). Can't recall whether there was father > stuff in that--he *plays* a father, but I'm not > sure there was anything in it that resonated with > the current situation. > > In Braveheart, Gibson avenges his fathers death. In The Patriot, He > is a father that avenges his son's death. H...vey interesting. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Gibson
--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/1/06 12:50:58 P.M. Central > Daylight Time, > > > jstein@ writes: > > > > > > *If* he really wants to be a decent person and > live > > > up to his Christian ideals, his father's anti- > > > Semitism must be a horrible conflict for him. He > > > > seems not to be able to cross his father; maybe > > > > he's afraid his father won't love him any more > if > > > he does. Not a good place to be in. > > > > > > He may believe in the biblical teaching that one > doesn't betray > or > > > disrespect ones authority figures, no matter how > wrong the may be > > > because God gave them authority over you. > > > > On the other hand, he has said that his father has > > "never lied to him." > > > > It's a good point, though, that he may actually > have > > a religious conflict, but I'd suggest that's in > > addition to an emotional conflict about publicly > > disagreeing with his father. > > > > As a public figure himself who made a > controversial > > movie about Jesus Christ, he can't just keep > entirely > > silent. He's going to be asked about it over and > > over, and whatever he says is going to be given > wide > > publicity. So he really is between a rock and a > hard > > place. He can't publicly *agree OR disagree* with > > his father. > > > > No wonder he drinks... > > Hmm. Now I'm wondering whether the idea of making > the movie about Christ was part of this prompting I > suggested he's getting from his psyche to get the > conflict with his father out in the open and deal > with it. > > That didn't work, so the next thing was for him to > have a drunken meltdown in which he more or less > channeled his father. > > Gibson was very good, by the way, in the movie > "Hamlet," which he directed and starred in. > "Hamlet" is very much about father conflicts. > > Does "Braveheart" have anything about fathers > in it? I never saw it. > > I did see "Patriots" (and wished I hadn't--it was > dreadful). Can't recall whether there was father > stuff in that--he *plays* a father, but I'm not > sure there was anything in it that resonated with > the current situation. A psychoanalytic look at Mel's movies easily reveals an unresolved Oedipal conflict. In most of his movies he plays a charming, rebellious, under-valued, adolescent-like character always bucking the established authority and at time betrayed by it: Brave Heart. In a sense Mel is still a boy because of the narcissitic domination of his father, who from all accounts, is a real bastard. A stiff, unloving father who is in unconscious competition with his son can never truly value and love his son and psychologically support his transition into adulthood and becoming a man. Mel has the classic Oedipal, love/hate relationship with a narcissistic father that produces a man-boy who is desparately seeking his father's witheld approval and simultaneously raging against his father's unacceptance of him. No wonder he self-medicates with booze. Mel's a bit of a mess! -Dr. Freud at the Movies > > > > > > > > > > > > The Story of Noah being drunk and naked is > relevant > > > here. Hamm came in the cave and found Noah drunk > and naked and > went > > out blabbing > > > it to everyone where as the two other brothers > found their father > > in that > > > condition and covered him up and said nothing to > anyone about it. > > Noah was > > > their authority figure and while what he did was > wrong and > > despicable he wasn't > > > punished by God where as Hamm was for his > disrespect of his > father, > > and the > > > other brothers were blessed for taking care of > their father and > > remaining quiet. > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Gibson
In a message dated 8/1/06 2:50:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That didn't work, so the next thing was for him tohave a drunken meltdown in which he more or lesschanneled his father.Gibson was very good, by the way, in the movie"Hamlet," which he directed and starred in. "Hamlet" is very much about father conflicts.Does "Braveheart" have anything about fathersin it? I never saw it.I did see "Patriots" (and wished I hadn't--it wasdreadful). Can't recall whether there was fatherstuff in that--he *plays* a father, but I'm notsure there was anything in it that resonated withthe current situation. In Braveheart, Gibson avenges his fathers death. In The Patriot, He is a father that avenges his son's death. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Gibson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 8/1/06 12:50:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > jstein@ writes: > > > > *If* he really wants to be a decent person and live > > up to his Christian ideals, his father's anti- > > Semitism must be a horrible conflict for him. He > > seems not to be able to cross his father; maybe > > he's afraid his father won't love him any more if > > he does. Not a good place to be in. > > > > He may believe in the biblical teaching that one doesn't betray or > > disrespect ones authority figures, no matter how wrong the may be > > because God gave them authority over you. > > On the other hand, he has said that his father has > "never lied to him." > > It's a good point, though, that he may actually have > a religious conflict, but I'd suggest that's in > addition to an emotional conflict about publicly > disagreeing with his father. > > As a public figure himself who made a controversial > movie about Jesus Christ, he can't just keep entirely > silent. He's going to be asked about it over and > over, and whatever he says is going to be given wide > publicity. So he really is between a rock and a hard > place. He can't publicly *agree OR disagree* with > his father. > > No wonder he drinks... Hmm. Now I'm wondering whether the idea of making the movie about Christ was part of this prompting I suggested he's getting from his psyche to get the conflict with his father out in the open and deal with it. That didn't work, so the next thing was for him to have a drunken meltdown in which he more or less channeled his father. Gibson was very good, by the way, in the movie "Hamlet," which he directed and starred in. "Hamlet" is very much about father conflicts. Does "Braveheart" have anything about fathers in it? I never saw it. I did see "Patriots" (and wished I hadn't--it was dreadful). Can't recall whether there was father stuff in that--he *plays* a father, but I'm not sure there was anything in it that resonated with the current situation. > > > > The Story of Noah being drunk and naked is relevant > > here. Hamm came in the cave and found Noah drunk and naked and went > out blabbing > > it to everyone where as the two other brothers found their father > in that > > condition and covered him up and said nothing to anyone about it. > Noah was > > their authority figure and while what he did was wrong and > despicable he wasn't > > punished by God where as Hamm was for his disrespect of his father, > and the > > other brothers were blessed for taking care of their father and > remaining quiet. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Gibson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/1/06 12:50:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > *If* he really wants to be a decent person and live > up to his Christian ideals, his father's anti- > Semitism must be a horrible conflict for him. He > seems not to be able to cross his father; maybe > he's afraid his father won't love him any more if > he does. Not a good place to be in. > > He may believe in the biblical teaching that one doesn't betray or > disrespect ones authority figures, no matter how wrong the may be > because God gave them authority over you. On the other hand, he has said that his father has "never lied to him." It's a good point, though, that he may actually have a religious conflict, but I'd suggest that's in addition to an emotional conflict about publicly disagreeing with his father. As a public figure himself who made a controversial movie about Jesus Christ, he can't just keep entirely silent. He's going to be asked about it over and over, and whatever he says is going to be given wide publicity. So he really is between a rock and a hard place. He can't publicly *agree OR disagree* with his father. No wonder he drinks... The Story of Noah being drunk and naked is relevant > here. Hamm came in the cave and found Noah drunk and naked and went out blabbing > it to everyone where as the two other brothers found their father in that > condition and covered him up and said nothing to anyone about it. Noah was > their authority figure and while what he did was wrong and despicable he wasn't > punished by God where as Hamm was for his disrespect of his father, and the > other brothers were blessed for taking care of their father and remaining quiet. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Gibson
In a message dated 8/1/06 12:50:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: *If* he really wants to be a decent person and liveup to his Christian ideals, his father's anti-Semitism must be a horrible conflict for him. He seems not to be able to cross his father; maybe he's afraid his father won't love him any more ifhe does. Not a good place to be in. He may believe in the biblical teaching that one doesn't betray or disrespect ones authority figures, no matter how wrong the may be because God gave them authority over you. The Story of Noah being drunk and naked is relevant here. Hamm came in the cave and found Noah drunk and naked and went out blabbing it to everyone where as the two other brothers found their father in that condition and covered him up and said nothing to anyone about it. Noah was their authority figure and while what he did was wrong and despicable he wasn't punished by God where as Hamm was for his disrespect of his father, and the other brothers were blessed for taking care of their father and remaining quiet. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Gibson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > > > _DRUDGE REPORT FLASH 2006®_ > > > (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm) Is he > > > > "acting", out of fear for his career, or sincere? > > > > > > Who can say? He certainly has good reason to fear > > > for his career, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility > > > that he genuinely wants to be a decent human being. > > > > > > I was impressed by this: > > > > > > "I am in the process of understanding where those vicious words > > came > > > from during that drunken display." > > > > > > Actually, it doesn't seem like it would be very > > > difficult to understand where they came from; anybody > > > who has ever read anything about his father has a > > > really good idea where they came from. But maybe > > > Mel hasn't been able to confront that until now. > > > > > > So far, he's been unwilling to say anything against > > > his father's views. I'd think he has to get to the > > > point where he can *both* love his father *and* > > > vehemently disagree with him publicly before he can > > > really heal himself. Whether that will also heal > > > his career is another question. > > > > Richard Donner, a Jew, made five blockbusters with Gibson. I would > > be curious to know what his reactions to all this is. > > > > If Gibson is the virulent anti-semite he appears to be, it must > > have been difficult for him to work all those thousands of hours > > with Jews. Similarly, it would have been excruciating for the Jews. > > FWIW, I don't recall hearing any stories about > him showing overt anti-Semitism. "The Passion of > the Christ" did raise some questions, but he was > always vehement about not being anti-Semitic. > > So if he is anti-Semitic when he's sober, it > would appear he hides it pretty well. > > > Hopefully, Gibson, in his heart, isn't the ant-semite his words > > portray him to be and he will heal. > > I really do think Peter and the site you quoted > from have it right: his conscious, thinking, > reasoning self isn't anti-Semitic, but underneath > that there's a part of him that is, and it comes > out, or came out this time, when he's drunk and > it's not fully under his control. > > > But he did the right thing with this most recent press release. > > Total and apparently unconditional apology, remorse and a reaching > > out for help to the very community he insulted. > > But because he's such a public person, and his career > depends on others' approval, there's always going to > be a question, as MDixon suggested, about whether he > is truly repentant or just afraid he's going to become > a pariah if he doesn't *appear* to be repentant. > > *If* he really wants to be a decent person and live > up to his Christian ideals, his father's anti- > Semitism must be a horrible conflict for him. He > seems not to be able to cross his father; maybe > he's afraid his father won't love him any more if > he does. Not a good place to be in. > > Here's my amateur psychoanalysis: What came out > when he was drunk is his anger at himself for not > being able to say publicly that his father is wrong. > It's anger at his father as well for putting him in > that bind, and anger at himself for being angry with > his father--all very convoluted and intractable. > > So his psyche simply made him come out with the > anti-Semitic tirade in order to get it all out in > the open where he'd be forced to deal with it once > and for all. > I think there's alot to what you say above...PLUS, here is someone who works with Jews on a daily basis because the entertainment industry does have a disproportionate high percentage of Jews -- and he has, with great success, for many years. Many of his close associates and people he loves must be Jewish, so to throw all of that into the mix must add to his inner turmoil. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Gibson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > _DRUDGE REPORT FLASH 2006®_ > > (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm) Is he > > > "acting", out of fear for his career, or sincere? > > > > Who can say? He certainly has good reason to fear > > for his career, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility > > that he genuinely wants to be a decent human being. > > > > I was impressed by this: > > > > "I am in the process of understanding where those vicious words > came > > from during that drunken display." > > > > Actually, it doesn't seem like it would be very > > difficult to understand where they came from; anybody > > who has ever read anything about his father has a > > really good idea where they came from. But maybe > > Mel hasn't been able to confront that until now. > > > > So far, he's been unwilling to say anything against > > his father's views. I'd think he has to get to the > > point where he can *both* love his father *and* > > vehemently disagree with him publicly before he can > > really heal himself. Whether that will also heal > > his career is another question. > > Richard Donner, a Jew, made five blockbusters with Gibson. I would > be curious to know what his reactions to all this is. > > If Gibson is the virulent anti-semite he appears to be, it must > have been difficult for him to work all those thousands of hours > with Jews. Similarly, it would have been excruciating for the Jews. FWIW, I don't recall hearing any stories about him showing overt anti-Semitism. "The Passion of the Christ" did raise some questions, but he was always vehement about not being anti-Semitic. So if he is anti-Semitic when he's sober, it would appear he hides it pretty well. > Hopefully, Gibson, in his heart, isn't the ant-semite his words > portray him to be and he will heal. I really do think Peter and the site you quoted from have it right: his conscious, thinking, reasoning self isn't anti-Semitic, but underneath that there's a part of him that is, and it comes out, or came out this time, when he's drunk and it's not fully under his control. > But he did the right thing with this most recent press release. > Total and apparently unconditional apology, remorse and a reaching > out for help to the very community he insulted. But because he's such a public person, and his career depends on others' approval, there's always going to be a question, as MDixon suggested, about whether he is truly repentant or just afraid he's going to become a pariah if he doesn't *appear* to be repentant. *If* he really wants to be a decent person and live up to his Christian ideals, his father's anti- Semitism must be a horrible conflict for him. He seems not to be able to cross his father; maybe he's afraid his father won't love him any more if he does. Not a good place to be in. Here's my amateur psychoanalysis: What came out when he was drunk is his anger at himself for not being able to say publicly that his father is wrong. It's anger at his father as well for putting him in that bind, and anger at himself for being angry with his father--all very convoluted and intractable. So his psyche simply made him come out with the anti-Semitic tirade in order to get it all out in the open where he'd be forced to deal with it once and for all. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Gibson
In a message dated 8/1/06 12:21:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > _DRUDGE REPORT FLASH 2006®_ > (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm) Is he > > "acting", out of fear for his career, or sincere?> > Who can say? He certainly has good reason to fear> for his career, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility> that he genuinely wants to be a decent human being.> > I was impressed by this:> > "I am in the process of understanding where those vicious words came > from during that drunken display."> > Actually, it doesn't seem like it would be very> difficult to understand where they came from; anybody> who has ever read anything about his father has a> really good idea where they came from. But maybe> Mel hasn't been able to confront that until now.> > So far, he's been unwilling to say anything against> his father's views. I'd think he has to get to the> point where he can *both* love his father *and*> vehemently disagree with him publicly before he can> really heal himself. Whether that will also heal> his career is another question.>Richard Donner, a Jew, made five blockbusters with Gibson. I would be curious to know what his reactions to all this is.If Gibson is the virulent anti-semite he appears to be, it must have been difficult for him to work all those thousands of hours with Jews. Similarly, it would have been excruciating for the Jews.Hopefully, Gibson, in his heart, isn't the ant-semite his words portray him to be and he will heal.But he did the right thing with this most recent press release. Total and apparently unconditional apology, remorse and a reaching out for help to the very community he insulted. I have to pretty much agree with both of you here. I think his father poisoned his mind as a child with all this anti-Semitism and he did a complete 180 degree change but those latent impressions popped up in a time of weakness. I have no reason not to believe his apology is sincere. I also believe any grief he receives over this is also well deserved and will have awakening effect on him. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Gibson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > _DRUDGE REPORT FLASH 2006®_ > (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm) Is he > > "acting", out of fear for his career, or sincere? > > Who can say? He certainly has good reason to fear > for his career, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility > that he genuinely wants to be a decent human being. > > I was impressed by this: > > "I am in the process of understanding where those vicious words came > from during that drunken display." > > Actually, it doesn't seem like it would be very > difficult to understand where they came from; anybody > who has ever read anything about his father has a > really good idea where they came from. But maybe > Mel hasn't been able to confront that until now. > > So far, he's been unwilling to say anything against > his father's views. I'd think he has to get to the > point where he can *both* love his father *and* > vehemently disagree with him publicly before he can > really heal himself. Whether that will also heal > his career is another question. > Richard Donner, a Jew, made five blockbusters with Gibson. I would be curious to know what his reactions to all this is. If Gibson is the virulent anti-semite he appears to be, it must have been difficult for him to work all those thousands of hours with Jews. Similarly, it would have been excruciating for the Jews. Hopefully, Gibson, in his heart, isn't the ant-semite his words portray him to be and he will heal. But he did the right thing with this most recent press release. Total and apparently unconditional apology, remorse and a reaching out for help to the very community he insulted. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More Gibson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > _DRUDGE REPORT FLASH 2006®_ (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm) Is he > "acting", out of fear for his career, or sincere? Who can say? He certainly has good reason to fear for his career, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that he genuinely wants to be a decent human being. I was impressed by this: "I am in the process of understanding where those vicious words came from during that drunken display." Actually, it doesn't seem like it would be very difficult to understand where they came from; anybody who has ever read anything about his father has a really good idea where they came from. But maybe Mel hasn't been able to confront that until now. So far, he's been unwilling to say anything against his father's views. I'd think he has to get to the point where he can *both* love his father *and* vehemently disagree with him publicly before he can really heal himself. Whether that will also heal his career is another question. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
