Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
I wouldn't call it rare. http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/downfreq.html --- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you figure that? Down's Syndrome is a rare condition. So if we were to focus efforts on saving the ones that have it, while at the same time ignoring more common maladies and conditions, this would go towards ensuring survival of the species? That seems to be what you're saying, and it doesn't hold up. Sal On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:06 AM, authfriend wrote: Triage in the good biological stewardship sense applies on the species level, not on the individual level. More *species* total will survive if efforts are focused on the rare ones. __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/21/05 7:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if the beach is loaded with people throwing back starfish, and you know of an isolated cove that no-one goes to where a rare starfish makes its home, which is a better use of your time? Throwing back one in millions, or one in ten? Clearly, in your example, some starfish are better than others, and thus are more deserving of being saved. The clear analogy to the way that the TMO does business is that the people who can pay the most deserve the attention. I just find it fascinating that the TM movement has so thoroughly indocrtinated its adherents into into elitism as spiritual path that they manage to fit elitism even into their analogies, without realizing it... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
RâmâKrishnâ Pâramâhamsâ said, "Service to man is service to Gôd." All religious traditions including the Védic traditions speak highly about Sévâ. My TM-initiator says, a devotee of Mâharishi in indiâ helped Mâharishi a lot financially during the very early days. Decades later the man himself died in penury. By then Mâharishi had become a multi-millionaire. No help came from the TM-org. Pension was deducted from the salaries of all initators in indiâ. Nobody knows what happened to the pension fund. Nobody has recieved his pension fund. TM-org would not have created so many énemies, if it had shown a compassionate side and treated it's members as family. Védic philosophy says just that. Vâsudéiva KudumbakâmOriginalMessage- From: "Rick Ârcher" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 23:33:53 -0600 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??Let's get explicit here. You're saying the TMO shouldn't or doesn't have to spend its resources on helping people on a relative level, because it's specialty is teaching meditation. Right? I'm suggesting that the failure of the TMO to explicitly advocate compassionate action as part of the spiritual path is glaringly obvious in the personalities of the people who have been most dedicated to it. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/21/05 7:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if the beach is loaded with people throwing back starfish, and you know of an isolated cove that no-one goes to where a rare starfish makes its home, which is a better use of your time? Throwing back one in millions, or one in ten? Let's get explicit here. You're saying the TMO shouldn't or doesn't have to spend its resources on helping people on a relative level, because it's specialty is teaching meditation. Right? I'm suggesting that the failure of the TMO to explicitly advocate compassionate action as part of the spiritual path is glaringly obvious in the personalities of the people who have been most dedicated to it. I disagree. Doug Henning sacrificed his career to work on Vedaland. A nicer guy you'd never meet, IMHO. I can think of many others high in the TMO who also exhibit fine personality traits. The ones tasked by MMY to be anal-retentive are indeed anal retentive, but that comes with the territory of their jobs. E.G. Bevan. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/21/05 7:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if the beach is loaded with people throwing back starfish, and you know of an isolated cove that no-one goes to where a rare starfish makes its home, which is a better use of your time? Throwing back one in millions, or one in ten? Clearly, in your example, some starfish are better than others, and thus are more deserving of being saved. The clear analogy to the way that the TMO does business is that the people who can pay the most deserve the attention. In my example, I was using Rick's metaphor to point out the appropriateness of triage. I just find it fascinating that the TM movement has so thoroughly indocrtinated its adherents into into elitism as spiritual path that they manage to fit elitism even into their analogies, without realizing it... Except I was quite explicit in suggesting that trying to save 1/10 made better use of the throwing-arm of the kid than trying to save 1/1,000,000. If you want to call that elitist, be my guest. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.?? on 12/22/05 4:58 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pension was deducted from the salaries of all initators in indi. Nobody knows what happened to the pension fund. Nobody has recieved his pension fund. Same thing happens here. Whenever MUM is in the black, it is ransacked by International so that for months afterwards it is unable to pay its vendors. Meanwhile, faculty and staff have been working for decades for a pittance. They have nothing to retire on, unless they can expect a family inheritance. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/22/05 4:58 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pension was deducted from the salaries of all initators in indiâ. Nobody knows what happened to the pension fund. Nobody has recieved his pension fund. Same thing happens here. Whenever MUM is in the black, it is ransacked by ³International² so that for months afterwards it is unable to pay its vendors. Meanwhile, faculty and staff have been working for decades for a pittance. They have nothing to retire on, unless they can expect a family inheritance. Then they should grow up and take responsibility for their future, and quit waiting for Daddy to do it for them. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/22/05 4:58 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pension was deducted from the salaries of all initators in indiâ. Nobody knows what happened to the pension fund. Nobody has recieved his pension fund. Same thing happens here. Whenever MUM is in the black, it is ransacked by ³International² so that for months afterwards it is unable to pay its vendors. Meanwhile, faculty and staff have been working for decades for a pittance. They have nothing to retire on, unless they can expect a family inheritance. Then they should grow up and take responsibility for their future, and quit waiting for Daddy to do it for them. And I am sure if your pension, 401k and Iras were suddenly absorbed by the government, there would be NO whining, and you would just suck it up and quit wating for daddy and go out and recreate your retirement savings yourself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/22/05 4:58 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pension was deducted from the salaries of all initators in indiâ. Nobody knows what happened to the pension fund. Nobody has recieved his pension fund. Same thing happens here. Whenever MUM is in the black, it is ransacked by ³International² so that for months afterwards it is unable to pay its vendors. Meanwhile, faculty and staff have been working for decades for a pittance. They have nothing to retire on, unless they can expect a family inheritance. Then they should grow up and take responsibility for their future, and quit waiting for Daddy to do it for them. This is one of those classic situations that Byron Katie teaches about- Lots of but it should be like this and I did this, therefore someone should've done this and Someone said this, and it hasn't happened yet, but it will involved here. Rick expresses the naked reality of people firmly welded to a specific outcome, and not getting it. Therefore it may be prudent and realistic for them to recognize what in fact is happening, i.e. they are living in near poverty conditions, and deal with it, instead of continuously waiting for deliverance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/22/05 4:58 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pension was deducted from the salaries of all initators in indiâ. Nobody knows what happened to the pension fund. Nobody has recieved his pension fund. Same thing happens here. Whenever MUM is in the black, it is ransacked by ³International² so that for months afterwards it is unable to pay its vendors. Meanwhile, faculty and staff have been working for decades for a pittance. They have nothing to retire on, unless they can expect a family inheritance. Then they should grow up and take responsibility for their future, and quit waiting for Daddy to do it for them. This is one of those classic situations that Byron Katie teaches about- Lots of but it should be like this and I did this, therefore someone should've done this and Someone said this, and it hasn't happened yet, but it will involved here. Rick expresses the naked reality of people firmly welded to a specific outcome, and not getting it. Therefore it may be prudent and realistic for them to recognize what in fact is happening, i.e. they are living in near poverty conditions, and deal with it, instead of continuously waiting for deliverance. Some may see these statements of mine as those of an idealogue or uncaring soul. A bit of my personal financial history over the last ten years: -Gave away a house now worth ~750K following my divorce. Didn't have to, but without going into details, it was in my heart the right thing to do, not from a standpoint of guilt, but love. -Have been laid off 4 times in my high tech field. -Have been unemployed for 3 of the past 5 years. -Have virtually no savings and am over 50 years old. Throughout I have persevered, and money has been there when it had to be. Quite miraculously, and without any begging on my part. I have often worked for free and offered my services and skills at no charge, in order to continue to excel in my chosen profession. Did I feel sorry for myself and get depressed and complain like hell at times? Of course, who wouldn't? But that was then and this is now, as they say. Over time, as the wise person who recently posted the brilliant piece on God in all things, I learned the wisdom of everything I went through, and grew in ways I never would have, had I not faced such adversity. The point being we are ultimately responsible for ourselves, and can either succeed or fail, moment by moment. it is entirely our choice and our Reality. I have learned as a result, to always stay in touch with Reality, and the living truth of the expression God helps those that help themselves. Jai Guru Dev Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/21/05 7:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if the beach is loaded with people throwing back starfish, and you know of an isolated cove that no-one goes to where a rare starfish makes its home, which is a better use of your time? Throwing back one in millions, or one in ten? Clearly, in your example, some starfish are better than others, and thus are more deserving of being saved. The clear analogy to the way that the TMO does business is that the people who can pay the most deserve the attention. In my example, I was using Rick's metaphor to point out the appropriateness of triage. I just find it fascinating that the TM movement has so thoroughly indocrtinated its adherents into into elitism as spiritual path that they manage to fit elitism even into their analogies, without realizing it... Except I was quite explicit in suggesting that trying to save 1/10 made better use of the throwing-arm of the kid than trying to save 1/1,000,000. If you want to call that elitist, be my guest. Seems to me there's a sort of mixed metaphor here. Both parts apply, but in different ways. In terms of good biological stewardship of the planet, you would want to focus your efforts on saving one rare starfish rather than thousands of common ones, not because the rare one is more deserving but because if it dies, it increases the chances of the whole species becoming extinct. The more common species are likely to survive even if many thousands of them die, simply because there are more of them. The triage aspect takes a different angle. In the medical sense, triage means focusing one's efforts on the patients who are most likely to survive if they get immediate care (assuming resources are limited). It wouldn't make sense to expend limited resources on patients who are probably going to die no matter how much care they get, while not giving those who have a chance of surviving the care they need to do so. Again, it's not that those who are in better shape are more deserving of care in some abstract sense; it's that more patients total will survive if triage is followed. Triage is a practical principle, albeit an unpleasant one to have to implement. Triage in the good biological stewardship sense applies on the species level, not on the individual level. More *species* total will survive if efforts are focused on the rare ones. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/22/05 4:58 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pension was deducted from the salaries of all initators in indiâ. Nobody knows what happened to the pension fund. Nobody has recieved his pension fund. Same thing happens here. Whenever MUM is in the black, it is ransacked by ³International² so that for months afterwards it is unable to pay its vendors. Meanwhile, faculty and staff have been working for decades for a pittance. They have nothing to retire on, unless they can expect a family inheritance. Then they should grow up and take responsibility for their future, and quit waiting for Daddy to do it for them. This is one of those classic situations that Byron Katie teaches about- Lots of but it should be like this and I did this, therefore someone should've done this and Someone said this, and it hasn't happened yet, but it will involved here. Rick expresses the naked reality of people firmly welded to a specific outcome, and not getting it. Therefore it may be prudent and realistic for them to recognize what in fact is happening, i.e. they are living in near poverty conditions, and deal with it, instead of continuously waiting for deliverance. And that simple recognition of what is, on a relative level, brings great clarity and empowerment (after the freak-out, of course!). Ha-Ha! And what a freak-out it is! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
How do you figure that? Down's Syndrome is a rare condition. So if we were to focus efforts on saving the ones that have it, while at the same time ignoring more common maladies and conditions, this would go towards ensuring survival of the species? That seems to be what you're saying, and it doesn't hold up. Sal On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:06 AM, authfriend wrote: Triage in the good biological stewardship sense applies on the species level, not on the individual level. More *species* total will survive if efforts are focused on the rare ones.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some may see these statements of mine as those of an idealogue or uncaring soul. A bit of my personal financial history over the last ten years: -Gave away a house now worth ~750K following my divorce. Didn't have to, but without going into details, it was in my heart the right thing to do, not from a standpoint of guilt, but love. -Have been laid off 4 times in my high tech field. -Have been unemployed for 3 of the past 5 years. -Have virtually no savings and am over 50 years old. wow, Natue does support you totaly. Throughout I have persevered, and money has been there when it had to be. Quite miraculously, and without any begging on my part. I have often worked for free and offered my services and skills at no charge, in order to continue to excel in my chosen profession. Did I feel sorry for myself and get depressed and complain like hell at times? Of course, who wouldn't? But why if nature supports your every impulse as you have oft stated? The point being we are ultimately responsible for ourselves, I am in full agreement there. But that doesn't justify the taking of promised pensions and 401 ks. Which was at the genesis of this discussion. Can you imagine the head of GE saying, we are taking over your pension and 401'ks because hey, you ultimately are responsible for yourselves and can either succeed or fail, moment by moment. it is entirely our choice and our Reality. I have learned as a result, to always stay in touch with Reality, and the living truth of the expression God helps those that help themselves. So maybe you need to work on that savings thing so God can help you more. May God bless you in that dept. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you figure that? Down's Syndrome is a rare condition. So if we were to focus efforts on saving the ones that have it, while at the same time ignoring more common maladies and conditions, this would go towards ensuring survival of the species? That seems to be what you're saying, and it doesn't hold up. Wow, no, that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I'm saying. Maybe you should read the whole thing again. Actually what I was saying is just about completely the opposite. On Dec 22, 2005, at 11:06 AM, authfriend wrote: Triage in the good biological stewardship sense applies on the species level, not on the individual level. More *species* total will survive if efforts are focused on the rare ones. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/22/05 4:58 AM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pension was deducted from the salaries of all initators in indiâ. Nobody knows what happened to the pension fund. Nobody has recieved his pension fund. Same thing happens here. Whenever MUM is in the black, it is ransacked by ³International² so that for months afterwards it is unable to pay its vendors. Meanwhile, faculty and staff have been working for decades for a pittance. They have nothing to retire on, unless they can expect a family inheritance. * They will have a small Social Security check, or at worst, an SSI check (available to anybody at age 65). For people who are primarily interested in spiritual growth, not sliding into senility in total comfort, enough to live on will be fine. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
Satya Sai Baba does a lot of social service. He has constructed a multi-million dollar hospital, which provides free medical treatment and free medicines. It's state of art hospital. in fact Sai Baba has about 20 million devotees, largest God-man on earth.!! Theyhaveconstructed thousands of bore-wells in water starved villages all over india.!! Sri Sri. RaviShankar also does a lot of social service. They helped tsunami victims and earthquake victims. Sri Sri. RaviShankarji is also deeply involved in protecting environment, bio-diversity, etc etc. Unfortunately, it's the TM-org that is not involved in the ground level of karma-yoga. Clown-suits and blustering talk, thats all.OriginalMessage- From: "Premanand Paul Mason" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:34:05 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.?? It is ironic that the area most closely identified with the Shankaran traditions of India, the Land of the Gods, which encompasses the pilgrimage shrines of Badrinath, Kedarnath, and Joshimath (the locality of Jyotir Math monastery) is an area dangerously under-resourced when it comes to health support. Even when the treatment is affordable or free, prescribed drugs must be purchased in the marketplace, no reduction for the poor. I would like to see the contempory spiritual teachers reach out to their devotees and instil in them concern for these people. They carry collosal weight in India. They can influence their followers to change the unhealthy practise of burning plastic bags, and encourage free dispensaries and treatment centres for the disadvantaged. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Satya Sai Baba does a lot of social service. He has constructed a multi-million dollar hospital, which provides free medical treatment and free medicines. It's state of art hospital. in fact Sai Baba has about 20 million devotees, largest God-man on earth.!! They have constructed thousands of bore-wells in water starved villages all over india.!! Sri Sri. RaviShankar also does a lot of social service. They helped tsunami victims and earthquake victims. Sri Sri. RaviShankarji is also deeply involved in protecting environment, bio- diversity, etc etc. Unfortunately, it's the TM-org that is not involved in the ground level of karma-yoga. Clown-suits and blustering talk, thats all. Prioritizing money spent. Which is better, spending millions on meditation-related activities, or spending millions on activities that everyone else spends hundreds of billions on? Sending a million to Katrina relief sounds great, but its less than 1/50,000th of what the US government is already spending. BAD use of limited resources to give more money to Katrina victims unless its in a way that no-one else is... Or unless you're trying to make a publicity point about how charitable you really are. OriginalMessage- From: Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:34:05 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.?? It is ironic that the area most closely identified with the Shankaran traditions of India, the Land of the Gods, which encompasses the pilgrimage shrines of Badrinath, Kedarnath, and Joshimath (the locality of Jyotir Math monastery) is an area dangerously under-resourced when it comes to health support. Even when the treatment is affordable or free, prescribed drugs must be purchased in the marketplace, no reduction for the poor. I would like to see the contempory spiritual teachers reach out to their devotees and instil in them concern for these people. They carry collosal weight in India. They can influence their followers to change the unhealthy practise of burning plastic bags, and encourage free dispensaries and treatment centres for the disadvantaged. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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on 12/21/05 5:17 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prioritizing money spent. Which is better, spending millions on meditation-related activities, or spending millions on activities that everyone else spends hundreds of billions on? Sending a million to Katrina relief sounds great, but its less than 1/50,000th of what the US government is already spending. BAD use of limited resources to give more money to Katrina victims unless its in a way that no-one else is... The Starfish Ka Hôkû Kai [kah HOH' KOO' kai] http://hawaiianlanguage.com/shelties/starfish.html Once upon a time, there was a wise kupuna (elder), who went to the sea to contemplate. One day, while walking along the shore, the kupuna looked down the beach, and saw a gracefully dancing human figure. The kupuna wondered out loud, Who would so joyfully greet this day with hula? and began to walk faster to catch up. Getting closer, the kupuna saw that the dancer was a keiki (child), who was not dancing at all. The keiki was reaching down to the sand to pick up something, and was very gently throwing it into the sea. The kupuna called out to the keiki, Aloha! What are you doing? The keiki paused, looked up and replied, Throwing starfish into the sea. Surprised, the kupuna sputtered, II guess I should have asked, WHY are you throwing starfish into the sea? The keiki smiled brightly, pointed upward and, with exquisite simplicity, replied, The sun is up, the tide is going out. If I don't throw them in, they will die. But, don't you realize, asked the kupuna, that there are miles and miles of beach and starfish all along it? You can't possibly make a difference! The keiki listened politely. Then bent down, picked up another starfish, threw it gently into the sea, just beyond the breaking waves, and exuberantly declared, It made a difference for that one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/21/05 5:17 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prioritizing money spent. Which is better, spending millions on meditation-related activities, or spending millions on activities that everyone else spends hundreds of billions on? Sending a million to Katrina relief sounds great, but its less than 1/50,000th of what the US government is already spending. BAD use of limited resources to give more money to Katrina victims unless its in a way that no-one else is... The Starfish Ka Hôkû Kai [kah HOH' KOO' kai] http://hawaiianlanguage.com/shelties/starfish.html Once upon a time, there was a wise kupuna (elder), who went to the sea to contemplate. One day, while walking along the shore, the kupuna looked down the beach, and saw a gracefully dancing human figure. The kupuna wondered out loud, Who would so joyfully greet this day with hula? and began to walk faster to catch up. Getting closer, the kupuna saw that the dancer was a keiki (child), who was not dancing at all. The keiki was reaching down to the sand to pick up something, and was very gently throwing it into the sea. The kupuna called out to the keiki, Aloha! What are you doing? The keiki paused, looked up and replied, Throwing starfish into the sea. Surprised, the kupuna sputtered, II guess I should have asked, WHY are you throwing starfish into the sea? The keiki smiled brightly, pointed upward and, with exquisite simplicity, replied, The sun is up, the tide is going out. If I don't throw them in, they will die. But, don't you realize, asked the kupuna, that there are miles and miles of beach and starfish all along it? You can't possibly make a difference! The keiki listened politely. Then bent down, picked up another starfish, threw it gently into the sea, just beyond the breaking waves, and exuberantly declared, It made a difference for that one. But if the beach is loaded with people throwing back starfish, and you know of an isolated cove that no-one goes to where a rare starfish makes its home, which is a better use of your time? Throwing back one in millions, or one in ten? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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on 12/21/05 7:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if the beach is loaded with people throwing back starfish, and you know of an isolated cove that no-one goes to where a rare starfish makes its home, which is a better use of your time? Throwing back one in millions, or one in ten? Let's get explicit here. You're saying the TMO shouldn't or doesn't have to spend its resources on helping people on a relative level, because it's specialty is teaching meditation. Right? I'm suggesting that the failure of the TMO to explicitly advocate compassionate action as part of the spiritual path is glaringly obvious in the personalities of the people who have been most dedicated to it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/21/05 7:27 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if the beach is loaded with people throwing back starfish, and you know of an isolated cove that no-one goes to where a rare starfish makes its home, which is a better use of your time? Throwing back one in millions, or one in ten? Let's get explicit here. You're saying the TMO shouldn't or doesn't have to spend its resources on helping people on a relative level, because it's specialty is teaching meditation. Right? I'm suggesting that the failure of the TMO to explicitly advocate compassionate action as part of the spiritual path is glaringly obvious in the personalities of the people who have been most dedicated to it. And that those people often go out of their way to find intellectual justifications for their lack of compassion, when someone points it out. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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There are 300 million people living in poverty in india, Premanand. China has a much better health care system than india. The socialist system in China has successfully vaccinated every child in China and provided cheap good quality medicines. Something has gone terribly wrong in india. Corruption in Government hospitals, kidney stealing rackets, contaminated blood products, infected injection needles etc etc. Bill Gates has donated 100 million dollars to indian health careand he has promised much more. But, how these assholes are going to use the money,I don't know.OriginalMessage- From: "Premanand Paul Mason" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:58:38 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??Indian newspapers all too frequently carry news of man's inhumanity to man. The reports of murder bring a kneejerk reaction of revulsion, but the hidden unspoken news is that good healthcare for many is beyond their pockets. Having spent about five weeks recently visiting a Delhi hospital, I am very impressed by the close co-operation of Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, and Christian peoples in working together in harmony for the common good, utilising up-to-date technology and methods. For me this is cause to feel a measure of optimism for India's future. But they need help in reaching out to the disadvantaged poor. They need money. They need it to treat the very poor, the sweepers and the skivvies. I am no Bob Geldorf but anyway please give them your bloody money! __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
It is ironic that the area most closely identified with the Shankaran traditions of India, the Land of the Gods, which encompasses the pilgrimage shrines of Badrinath, Kedarnath, and Joshimath (the locality of Jyotir Math monastery) is an area dangerously under- resourced when it comes to health support. Even when the treatment is affordable or free, prescribed drugs must be purchased in the marketplace, no reduction for the poor. I would like to see the contempory spiritual teachers reach out to their devotees and instil in them concern for these people. They carry collosal weight in India. They can influence their followers to change the unhealthy practise of burning plastic bags, and encourage free dispensaries and treatment centres for the disadvantaged. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are 300 million people living in poverty in india, Premanand. China has a much better health care system than india. The socialist system in China has successfully vaccinated every child in China and provided cheap good quality medicines. Something has gone terribly wrong in india. Corruption in Government hospitals, kidney stealing rackets, contaminated blood products, infected injection needles etc etc. Bill Gates has donated 100 million dollars to indian health care and he has promised much more. But, how these assholes are going to use the money, I don't know. OriginalMessage- From: Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:58:38 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.?? Indian newspapers all too frequently carry news of man's inhumanity to man. The reports of murder bring a kneejerk reaction of revulsion, but the hidden unspoken news is that good healthcare for many is beyond their pockets. Having spent about five weeks recently visiting a Delhi hospital, I am very impressed by the close co-operation of Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, and Christian peoples in working together in harmony for the common good, utilising up-to-date technology and methods. For me this is cause to feel a measure of optimism for India's future. But they need help in reaching out to the disadvantaged poor. They need money. They need it to treat the very poor, the sweepers and the skivvies. I am no Bob Geldorf but anyway please give them your bloody money! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are 300 million people living in poverty in india, Premanand. China has a much better health care system than india. The socialist system in China has successfully vaccinated every child in China and provided cheap good quality medicines. Something has gone terribly wrong in india. Corruption in Government hospitals, kidney stealing rackets, contaminated blood products, infected injection needles etc etc. Bill Gates has donated 100 million dollars to indian health care and he has promised much more. But, how these assholes are going to use the money, I don't know. these assholes? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Satya Yug in India.??
Indian newspapers all too frequently carry news of man's inhumanity to man. The reports of murder bring a kneejerk reaction of revulsion, but the hidden unspoken news is that good healthcare for many is beyond their pockets. Having spent about five weeks recently visiting a Delhi hospital, I am very impressed by the close co-operation of Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, and Christian peoples in working together in harmony for the common good, utilising up-to-date technology and methods. For me this is cause to feel a measure of optimism for India's future. But they need help in reaching out to the disadvantaged poor. They need money. They need it to treat the very poor, the sweepers and the skivvies. I am no Bob Geldorf but anyway please give them your bloody money! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Woman BPO worker killed in Bangalore Saturday, December 17, 2005-- Web posted at: 12/17/2005 1:55:17 Source ::: IANS Bangalore: A woman working in a call centre here was allegedly raped and brutally murdered by the company's driver, leading to police and Nasscom chief Kiran Karnik stressing the need for IT/BPO firms to provide security to women on night duty. The 24-year-old woman employee of HP GlobalSoft was killed early on Tuesday and the accused arrested in the night. The incident came to light only after her husband lodged a kidnapping complaint with the police. Deputy Commissioner of Police (DCP) Alok Kumar said the driver, Shiv Kumar, had confessed to raping and murdering the woman after he picked her up from her house for night duty. Instead of taking her to the office in electronics city, the company's driver took her to Anjanapura on the outskirts of Bangalore and raped her around 3am Tuesday, Alok Kumar said. In his confession, Shiv Kumar said he slit her throat in panic when she tried to raise an alarm and call the office on her mobile. She was the lone employee being ferried to the office for duty at that odd hour, the police official said. He criticised the multinational firm for not providing security to its women employees on night duty for escorting them to office and back home. The accused driver even robbed the victim of her mobile and cash (Rs300) before disappearing from the spot. It is a clear case of a security lapse. The company should provide escorts while transporting its women staff, especially on night duties, the DCP pointed out. Expressing shock, National Association of Software and Service Companies (Nasscom) president Kiran Karnik said IT/BPO firms would have to provide security to women employees, particularly at night. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
