[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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> > Seems to me individual teachers have different
> > personalities; they don't all come out of a
> > cookie-cutter.  Some may be comfortable living
> > in cramped, plain quarters, others may not be.
> 
> This is where the concept of Laisha Vidya-remains of
> ignorance-helps. Different point values openning to
> their infinite value. From the Bhagavad Gita:
> "Creatures everywhere follow their own nature. Even
> the enlightened follow their own nature...what can
> restraint accomplish?" We have made the mistake of
> assuming certain specific ethics and behaviors
> spontaneously arises from Realization. Well, we were
> wrong!  

I had an absolutely delicious cheeseburger yesterday- Yum!





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> on 9/13/06 6:43 AM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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> >> > , Rick Archer  wrote:
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> His house in Vlodrop cost a mint.
> >> > 
> >> > The log home in Vlodrop was donated.
> > 
> The 707 may have been as well. But the money could have been put to other
> purposes.
>

Who used the 707?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced





on 9/13/06 6:43 AM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
> , Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> His house in Vlodrop cost a mint. 
> 
> The log home in Vlodrop was donated.

The 707 may have been as well. But the money could have been put to other purposes.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

[curtisdeltablues]

"However, if one equates specificity from "the last push of the cart",
with realization having no correlation with increased satvic
behavior, improved ethics, improved "courtesy", love, compassion and
service, then one would be living in Bizzaro World."

Narcissists and sociopaths believe they don't have to follow the petty
rules of behavior that constrain the "little people".








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> > --- authfriend  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Seems to me individual teachers have different
> > > personalities; they don't all come out of a
> > > cookie-cutter.  Some may be comfortable living
> > > in cramped, plain quarters, others may not be.
> > 
> > This is where the concept of Laisha Vidya-remains of
> > ignorance-helps. Different point values openning to
> > their infinite value. From the Bhagavad Gita:
> > "Creatures everywhere follow their own nature. Even
> > the enlightened follow their own nature...what can
> > restraint accomplish?" We have made the mistake of
> > assuming certain specific ethics and behaviors
> > spontaneously arises from Realization. Well, we were
> > wrong!  
> 
> 
> Of course there is a HUGE possible leap here.  
> 
> To state -- people have their specific cultures, karmas, dharmas,
> tastes, preferences, upbringing, etc, pre-realization and post is
> obvious. 
> 
> However, if one equates specificity from "the last push of the cart",
> with realization having no correlation  with increased satvic
> behavior, improved ethics, improved "courtesy", love, compassion and
> service, then one would be living in Bizzaro World.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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> --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > 
> > Seems to me individual teachers have different
> > personalities; they don't all come out of a
> > cookie-cutter.  Some may be comfortable living
> > in cramped, plain quarters, others may not be.
> 
> This is where the concept of Laisha Vidya-remains of
> ignorance-helps. Different point values openning to
> their infinite value. From the Bhagavad Gita:
> "Creatures everywhere follow their own nature. Even
> the enlightened follow their own nature...what can
> restraint accomplish?" We have made the mistake of
> assuming certain specific ethics and behaviors
> spontaneously arises from Realization. Well, we were
> wrong!  


Of course there is a HUGE possible leap here.  

To state -- people have their specific cultures, karmas, dharmas,
tastes, preferences, upbringing, etc, pre-realization and post is
obvious. 

However, if one equates specificity from "the last push of the cart",
with realization having no correlation  with increased satvic
behavior, improved ethics, improved "courtesy", love, compassion and
service, then one would be living in Bizzaro World. 

 






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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> Seems to me individual teachers have different
> personalities; they don't all come out of a
> cookie-cutter.  Some may be comfortable living
> in cramped, plain quarters, others may not be.

This is where the concept of Laisha Vidya-remains of
ignorance-helps. Different point values openning to
their infinite value. From the Bhagavad Gita:
"Creatures everywhere follow their own nature. Even
the enlightened follow their own nature...what can
restraint accomplish?" We have made the mistake of
assuming certain specific ethics and behaviors
spontaneously arises from Realization. Well, we were
wrong!  





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick
> Archer  
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > snip
> > > >
> > > Contrast this with Amma who refuses to fly first
> class and whose 
> > > apartment
> > > > in her Kerala ashram is about the size of my
> kitchen.
> > > 
> > 
> > **
> > 
> > It's in the nature of low lifes to complain about
> the good 
> treatment 
> > that devotees offer to great men. Your complaint
> (one out of your 
> many 
> > complaints against MMY) mirrors the complaint that
> so-called 
> disciples 
> > uttered against the woman who anointed Jesus with
> an expensive oil:
> > 
> > http://www.bible-
> history.com/jesus/jesusMat_26613_Mk_1439_Jn_1218.htm
> 
> The climate on FFL is getting more and more
> unsetteling. In times of 
> transition people are feeling tense and are
> unstressing. It includes 
> me. Negativity comes to the surface, as we
> increasingly see here 
> nowadays.

WHAT THE HELL DO YOUOh, sorry, man



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  
wrote:
> > 
> > snip
> > >
> > Contrast this with Amma who refuses to fly first class and whose 
> > apartment
> > > in her Kerala ashram is about the size of my kitchen.
> > 
> 
> **
> 
> It's in the nature of low lifes to complain about the good 
treatment 
> that devotees offer to great men. Your complaint (one out of your 
many 
> complaints against MMY) mirrors the complaint that so-called 
disciples 
> uttered against the woman who anointed Jesus with an expensive oil:
> 
> http://www.bible-
history.com/jesus/jesusMat_26613_Mk_1439_Jn_1218.htm

The climate on FFL is getting more and more unsetteling. In times of 
transition people are feeling tense and are unstressing. It includes 
me. Negativity comes to the surface, as we increasingly see here 
nowadays.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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--- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick
> Archer  
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > snip
> > > >
> > > Contrast this with Amma who refuses to fly first
> class and whose 
> > > apartment
> > > > in her Kerala ashram is about the size of my
> kitchen.
> > > 
> > 
> > **
> > 
> > It's in the nature of low lifes to complain about
> the good 
> treatment 
> > that devotees offer to great men. Your complaint
> (one out of your 
> many 
> > complaints against MMY) mirrors the complaint that
> so-called 
> disciples 
> > uttered against the woman who anointed Jesus with
> an expensive oil:
> > 
> > http://www.bible-
> history.com/jesus/jesusMat_26613_Mk_1439_Jn_1218.htm
> >
> 
> 
> I once got annointed by a woman with expensive oil.
> 
> It set me back $250 (excluding the room).

I assume that included "happy ending?"




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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> His house in Vlodrop cost a mint. 

The log home in Vlodrop was donated.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
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> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  
wrote:
> > > 
> > > snip
> > > >
> > > Contrast this with Amma who refuses to fly first class and 
whose 
> > > apartment
> > > > in her Kerala ashram is about the size of my kitchen.
> > > 
> > 
> > **
> > 
> > It's in the nature of low lifes to complain about the good 
> > treatment that devotees offer to great men. Your complaint (one
> > out of your many complaints against MMY) mirrors the complaint
> > that so-called disciples uttered against the woman who anointed 
> > Jesus with an expensive oil:
> 
> Yes, as I recall, that was also the argument used
> for giving Rajneesh dozens of Rolexes and limousines.




Limousines?

Where did you get such a ludicrous idea?

Rajneesh had one Rolls Royce for every day of the year.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  
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> > snip
> > >
> > Contrast this with Amma who refuses to fly first class and whose 
> > apartment
> > > in her Kerala ashram is about the size of my kitchen.
> > 
> 
> **
> 
> It's in the nature of low lifes to complain about the good 
treatment 
> that devotees offer to great men. Your complaint (one out of your 
many 
> complaints against MMY) mirrors the complaint that so-called 
disciples 
> uttered against the woman who anointed Jesus with an expensive oil:
> 
> http://www.bible-
history.com/jesus/jesusMat_26613_Mk_1439_Jn_1218.htm
>


I once got annointed by a woman with expensive oil.

It set me back $250 (excluding the room).





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> on 9/12/06 2:09 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> >> > No, but he is assigning control of (and if postings on this 
foruma
> >> > are to be believed) benefits to his relatives.
> >> > 
> >> > That would be an economic benefit for personal use.
> >> > 
> >> > Also, when funds are used for "whims" -- non-essential 
expenditures -
> >> > - these would go under the category of personal use as well.
> >> > 
> >> > What would some examples of this be?  I dunno...flowers?
> > 
> Millions have been spent on MMY¹s comfort and convenience over the 
years.
> Barry mentioned renting an entire floor in a posh Beverly Hills 
hotel so he
> wouldn¹t have to encounter ³commoners,² and how he freaked when he 
saw a
> maid on the floor. No expense was spared in building his suites in 
movement
> facilities around the world, some of which he never stayed in. His 
house in
> Vlodrop cost a mint. At one point the movement owned a Boeing 707 
so he
> wouldn¹t have to take commercial flights. The interior was 
completely
> renovated.
> 
> Contrast this with Amma who refuses to fly first class and whose 
apartment
> in her Kerala ashram is about the size of my kitchen.
>

...and how is THAT good for the economy?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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> on 9/12/06 11:12 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> >>> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >>> 
> >>> >> , Rick Archer  wrote:
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> snip
>  >>> 
> >>> >> Contrast this with Amma who refuses to fly first class and 
whose
> >>> >> apartment
>  >>> in her Kerala ashram is about the size of my kitchen.
> >>> >> 
> >> > 
> >> > **
> >> > 
> >> > It's in the nature of low lifes to complain about the good 
treatment
> >> > that devotees offer to great men. Your complaint (one out of 
your many
> >> > complaints against MMY) mirrors the complaint that so-called 
disciples
> >> > uttered against the woman who anointed Jesus with an expensive 
oil:
> >> > 
> >> > http://www.bible-
history.com/jesus/jesusMat_26613_Mk_1439_Jn_1218.htm
> > 
> Yes, but at the same gathering, as I recall, he washed the
> disciples¹ feet to set an example of service and humility,

Different gathering (John 13:1-11).  Also, if
you'll recall, when Peter is reluctant to let Jesus
wash his feet, Jesus gets rather snippy about it,
saying Peter can't be his disciple unless he submits
to having his feet washed.

There's quite a bit more to the story than simple
humility and service on Jesus' part.

 which is why Amma lives as she
> does. Can you imagine MMY doing something like that?

Is it a requirement for spiritual teachers to
live humbly, or is that an old cliche that we
accept without thinking, like the idea that they
can't charge for spiritual teaching?

Seems to me individual teachers have different
personalities; they don't all come out of a
cookie-cutter.  Some may be comfortable living
in cramped, plain quarters, others may not be.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> > 
> > snip
> > >
> > Contrast this with Amma who refuses to fly first class and whose 
> > apartment
> > > in her Kerala ashram is about the size of my kitchen.
> > 
> 
> **
> 
> It's in the nature of low lifes to complain about the good 
> treatment that devotees offer to great men. Your complaint (one
> out of your many complaints against MMY) mirrors the complaint
> that so-called disciples uttered against the woman who anointed 
> Jesus with an expensive oil:

Yes, as I recall, that was also the argument used
for giving Rajneesh dozens of Rolexes and limousines.

> 
> http://www.bible-
history.com/jesus/jesusMat_26613_Mk_1439_Jn_1218.htm
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 9/12/06 9:51 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >> > Mahesh sustains magical thinking like a soprano sustaining a 
high
> >> > note in a Mozart aria. But magical thinking is not reality.
> > 
> And part of the way he sustains it is to convince those around him 
that the
> ³experts² of the world are fools, while his enlightened vision sees 
things
> as they should and eventually will be. To be in tune with his 
thinking is to
> be among the chosen few pioneers of the Age of Enlightenment.
>
He is killing us off, one, by one, by one. Can you hack it? HA-HA-HA!





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced





on 9/12/06 11:12 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  
>> , Rick Archer  wrote:
>> 
>> snip
>>> 
>> Contrast this with Amma who refuses to fly first class and whose 
>> apartment
>>> in her Kerala ashram is about the size of my kitchen.
>> 
> 
> **
> 
> It's in the nature of low lifes to complain about the good treatment 
> that devotees offer to great men. Your complaint (one out of your many 
> complaints against MMY) mirrors the complaint that so-called disciples 
> uttered against the woman who anointed Jesus with an expensive oil:
> 
> http://www.bible-history.com/jesus/jesusMat_26613_Mk_1439_Jn_1218.htm

Yes, but at the same gathering, as I recall, he washed the disciples’ feet to set an example of service and humility, which is why Amma lives as she does. Can you imagine MMY doing something like that?


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

[bob_brigante]

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> 
> snip
> >
> Contrast this with Amma who refuses to fly first class and whose 
> apartment
> > in her Kerala ashram is about the size of my kitchen.
> 

**

It's in the nature of low lifes to complain about the good treatment 
that devotees offer to great men. Your complaint (one out of your many 
complaints against MMY) mirrors the complaint that so-called disciples 
uttered against the woman who anointed Jesus with an expensive oil:

http://www.bible-history.com/jesus/jesusMat_26613_Mk_1439_Jn_1218.htm






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

snip
>
Contrast this with Amma who refuses to fly first class and whose 
apartment
> in her Kerala ashram is about the size of my kitchen.

Yea, but have you seen the suite that opens up when you pull down on 
the wall sconce?

lurk
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

[curtisdeltablues]

"Mahesh can only see his own narcissistic goals and can only blame
others because they fail."

I never get tired of hearing this truth.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > on 9/12/06 8:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If it turns out that he does (or in this case, has
> > > > > easily a thousand times that many dollars) but hasn't
> > > > > contributed them to the cause that he's trying to
> > > > > convince you to contribute to, you're being had.
> > > >
> > > > MMY certainly has money at his fingertips but I doubt he
> > > > has 2 billion, for two reasons:
> > > > 1. Most of it has been squandered on hare-brained projects.
> > > > 2. His nephews control it and he couldn¹t get it from them
> > > > if he tried.
> > >
> > > I tend to agree.
> > >
> > > Still, if the movement had a mere 200 million in
> > > assets and invested them/mortgaged them to provide
> > > a meager 6% interest per year, they could still pay
> > > for these 2000 butt-bouncers using only the interest,
> > > without touching a penny of the principal.
> > >
> > > It's irrelevant in any case because I think we all
> > > know there's not a ghost of a chance that Maharishi
> > > will ever dig into his own pockets to pay for any
> > > of his plans.
> > >
> > > For that matter, I suspect we all know that after
> > > the first month or two the promised 500 bucks will
> > > never be paid anyway, no matter where it comes from.
> > > The donors will probably be expected to keep paying
> > > it to the TMO, but the TMO will never forward it to
> > > the people on the courses.
> > >
> > 
> > I agree. Look at what he does, not what he says.
> > (That's what he tells others to do  )
> > 
> > JohnY
> 
> 
> While I agree with the sediments posted here, one thing seems to have 
> been left out: out perfect an excust Mahesh has when this all goes 
> belly up. "See, I pay these people and still they fail me."
> 
> Mahesh can only see his own narcissistic goals and can only blame 
> others because they fail. He will never part with $ and will never 
> have the insight to notice that he has been wrong all along. Refer, 
> of course, to John Knapp's piece in the TM, The Odd Side in the files.
> 
> Mahesh has always set his standards/aspirations high and consistently 
> blamed others because they failed. No one, has ever had the courage 
> to tell him how idiotic some of his ideas are. But then, I was in the 
> thick of it when we were planning microwave towers to broadcast SCI 
> to the whole world and I was so out of it at the time that I never 
> questioned either the feasibility of how/who would finance it.
> 
> Mahesh sustains magical thinking like a soprano sustaining a high 
> note in a Mozart aria. But magical thinking is not reality.
> 
> Oh, well. Those with eyes and ears, etc.
>






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)





on 9/12/06 9:51 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Mahesh sustains magical thinking like a soprano sustaining a high 
> note in a Mozart aria. But magical thinking is not reality.

And part of the way he sustains it is to convince those around him that the “experts” of the world are fools, while his enlightened vision sees things as they should and eventually will be. To be in tune with his thinking is to be among the chosen few pioneers of the Age of Enlightenment.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
> > >
> > > on 9/12/06 8:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If it turns out that he does (or in this case, has
> > > > easily a thousand times that many dollars) but hasn't
> > > > contributed them to the cause that he's trying to
> > > > convince you to contribute to, you're being had.
> > >
> > > MMY certainly has money at his fingertips but I doubt he
> > > has 2 billion, for two reasons:
> > > 1. Most of it has been squandered on hare-brained projects.
> > > 2. His nephews control it and he couldn¹t get it from them
> > > if he tried.
> >
> > I tend to agree.
> >
> > Still, if the movement had a mere 200 million in
> > assets and invested them/mortgaged them to provide
> > a meager 6% interest per year, they could still pay
> > for these 2000 butt-bouncers using only the interest,
> > without touching a penny of the principal.
> >
> > It's irrelevant in any case because I think we all
> > know there's not a ghost of a chance that Maharishi
> > will ever dig into his own pockets to pay for any
> > of his plans.
> >
> > For that matter, I suspect we all know that after
> > the first month or two the promised 500 bucks will
> > never be paid anyway, no matter where it comes from.
> > The donors will probably be expected to keep paying
> > it to the TMO, but the TMO will never forward it to
> > the people on the courses.
> >
> 
> I agree. Look at what he does, not what he says.
> (That's what he tells others to do  )
> 
> JohnY


While I agree with the sediments posted here, one thing seems to have 
been left out: out perfect an excust Mahesh has when this all goes 
belly up. "See, I pay these people and still they fail me."

Mahesh can only see his own narcissistic goals and can only blame 
others because they fail. He will never part with $ and will never 
have the insight to notice that he has been wrong all along. Refer, 
of course, to John Knapp's piece in the TM, The Odd Side in the files.

Mahesh has always set his standards/aspirations high and consistently 
blamed others because they failed. No one, has ever had the courage 
to tell him how idiotic some of his ideas are. But then, I was in the 
thick of it when we were planning microwave towers to broadcast SCI 
to the whole world and I was so out of it at the time that I never 
questioned either the feasibility of how/who would finance it.

Mahesh sustains magical thinking like a soprano sustaining a high 
note in a Mozart aria. But magical thinking is not reality.

Oh, well. Those with eyes and ears, etc.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced





on 9/12/06 2:09 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> No, but he is assigning control of (and if postings on this foruma 
> are to be believed) benefits to his relatives.
> 
> That would be an economic benefit for personal use.
> 
> Also, when funds are used for "whims" -- non-essential expenditures -
> - these would go under the category of personal use as well.
> 
> What would some examples of this be?  I dunno...flowers?

Millions have been spent on MMY’s comfort and convenience over the years. Barry mentioned renting an entire floor in a posh Beverly Hills hotel so he wouldn’t have to encounter “commoners,” and how he freaked when he saw a maid on the floor. No expense was spared in building his suites in movement facilities around the world, some of which he never stayed in. His house in Vlodrop cost a mint. At one point the movement owned a Boeing 707 so he wouldn’t have to take commercial flights. The interior was completely renovated.

Contrast this with Amma who refuses to fly first class and whose apartment in her Kerala ashram is about the size of my kitchen.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > For a guy whose personal assets have been estimated 
> > > > at a *minimum* of 2 billion dollars
> > > 
> > > Not "personal" assets, the TMO's assets.
> > 
> > Technically correct.
> 
> Yup, it was a technical correction.
> > 
> > But at the risk of repeating myself, I would like to see an 
> analysis 
> > done on MMY's and the TMO's finances in the same way that Forbes 
> > magazine does an analysis of Fidel Castro's.  For the past 
several 
> > years, Forbes has put Castro on their annual list of politicians 
> > with the highest net worth's...if memory serves me correctly, 
they 
> > usually peg him as being worth about $100 million, plus.
> > 
> > Of course, in a communist country, this is not supposed to be so 
> and 
> > most if not all of these assets are certainly not in Castro's 
name.
> > 
> > Forbes is making this analysis and assigning this net worth to 
> > Castro based upon his control of and benefits that flow from 
these 
> > assets to him personally.
> 
> MMY certainly *controls* the TMO's funds, but he
> doesn't use them to buy racehorses and yachts
> and Rolex watches and vacation homes and other
> rich man's toys.  Nor does he appear to be saving
> up for his retirement.
> 


No, but he is assigning control of (and if postings on this foruma 
are to be believed) benefits to his relatives.

That would be an economic benefit for personal use.

Also, when funds are used for "whims" -- non-essential expenditures -
- these would go under the category of personal use as well.

What would some examples of this be?  I dunno...flowers?





> 
> 
> > 
> > I wonder how MMY would fare if this same analysis and this same 
> > standard of Forbes were applied to him.
> > 
> > I would be particularly interested to see how much net worth 
would 
> > be assigned to him solely on the basis of MMY giving control of 
the 
> > Indian Movement to his blood relatives.
> > 
> > When I first heard that he had placed his own relatives in 
> positions 
> > of control like this, I couldn't believe it.  Anyone with a 
> > universal vision for their movement, I thought, would never, 
ever 
> do 
> > such a thing.  Just the PERCEPTION of impropriety in this day 
and 
> > age is enough to fizzle your credibility in the eyes of the 
> rational 
> > world...even if the Shrivastavas and the Varmas were as pure as 
the 
> > driven snow, perception is everything in instances such as this.
> > 
> > How could anyone do such a thing?  What was MMY thinking?
>







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > 
> > > For a guy whose personal assets have been estimated 
> > > at a *minimum* of 2 billion dollars
> > 
> > Not "personal" assets, the TMO's assets.
> 
> Technically correct.

Yup, it was a technical correction.
> 
> But at the risk of repeating myself, I would like to see an 
analysis 
> done on MMY's and the TMO's finances in the same way that Forbes 
> magazine does an analysis of Fidel Castro's.  For the past several 
> years, Forbes has put Castro on their annual list of politicians 
> with the highest net worth's...if memory serves me correctly, they 
> usually peg him as being worth about $100 million, plus.
> 
> Of course, in a communist country, this is not supposed to be so 
and 
> most if not all of these assets are certainly not in Castro's name.
> 
> Forbes is making this analysis and assigning this net worth to 
> Castro based upon his control of and benefits that flow from these 
> assets to him personally.

MMY certainly *controls* the TMO's funds, but he
doesn't use them to buy racehorses and yachts
and Rolex watches and vacation homes and other
rich man's toys.  Nor does he appear to be saving
up for his retirement.



> 
> I wonder how MMY would fare if this same analysis and this same 
> standard of Forbes were applied to him.
> 
> I would be particularly interested to see how much net worth would 
> be assigned to him solely on the basis of MMY giving control of the 
> Indian Movement to his blood relatives.
> 
> When I first heard that he had placed his own relatives in 
positions 
> of control like this, I couldn't believe it.  Anyone with a 
> universal vision for their movement, I thought, would never, ever 
do 
> such a thing.  Just the PERCEPTION of impropriety in this day and 
> age is enough to fizzle your credibility in the eyes of the 
rational 
> world...even if the Shrivastavas and the Varmas were as pure as the 
> driven snow, perception is everything in instances such as this.
> 
> How could anyone do such a thing?  What was MMY thinking?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> on 9/12/06 11:09 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >> > It's irrelevant in any case because I think we all
> >> > know there's not a ghost of a chance that Maharishi
> >> > will ever dig into his own pockets to pay for any
> >> > of his plans. 
> > 
> But there have been instances where he has. Like the World Peace Project in
> 1979 where we went to Central America, S. Africa, Iran, etc. The movement
> took out loans to finance that.
>

Everyone conveniently forgets that huge amounts of money were spent in India 10 
years ago 
to build the World Peace HQ or whatever it was called. Due to some stupid moves 
on MMY's 
part, they were fined lots of money and the entire complex was razed. It was in 
all the INdian 
newspapers and I think that John KNapp posted about it on a.m.t.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 9/12/06 8:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> >> > If it turns out that he does (or in this case, has
> >> > easily a thousand times that many dollars) but hasn't
> >> > contributed them to the cause that he's trying to
> >> > convince you to contribute to, you're being had.
> > 
> MMY certainly has money at his fingertips but I doubt he has 2 billion, for
> two reasons:
> 1. Most of it has been squandered on hare-brained projects.
> 2. His nephews control it and he couldn¹t get it from them if he tried.
>

How do his nephews control the money? Being on the board of direcors of an 
organization 
doesn't give you complete control.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > 
> > > For a guy whose personal assets have been estimated 
> > > at a *minimum* of 2 billion dollars
> > 
> > Not "personal" assets, the TMO's assets.
> >
> 
> 
> Technically correct.
> 
> But at the risk of repeating myself, I would like to see an analysis 
> done on MMY's and the TMO's finances in the same way that Forbes 
> magazine does an analysis of Fidel Castro's.  For the past several 
> years, Forbes has put Castro on their annual list of politicians 
> with the highest net worth's...if memory serves me correctly, they 
> usually peg him as being worth about $100 million, plus.
> 
> Of course, in a communist country, this is not supposed to be so and 
> most if not all of these assets are certainly not in Castro's name.
> 
> Forbes is making this analysis and assigning this net worth to 
> Castro based upon his control of and benefits that flow from these 
> assets to him personally.
> 
> I wonder how MMY would fare if this same analysis and this same 
> standard of Forbes were applied to him.
> 
> I would be particularly interested to see how much net worth would 
> be assigned to him solely on the basis of MMY giving control of the 
> Indian Movement to his blood relatives.
> 
> When I first heard that he had placed his own relatives in positions 
> of control like this, I couldn't believe it.  Anyone with a 
> universal vision for their movement, I thought, would never, ever do 
> such a thing.  Just the PERCEPTION of impropriety in this day and 
> age is enough to fizzle your credibility in the eyes of the rational 
> world...even if the Shrivastavas and the Varmas were as pure as the 
> driven snow, perception is everything in instances such as this.
> 
> How could anyone do such a thing?  What was MMY thinking?
>

That's how Indians work. Everything goes back to relatives.

Somene on this forum mentioned that they knw Gurudev's family and THEY thought 
MMY 
had killed him. Leaving side this claim. who can even name a member of the 
current 
Pope's family? Family ties are nowhere near as important in Western culture as 
they are in 
INdia. We don't have castes and inherited nobility any more. It's built into 
their religino.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
> >
> > on 9/12/06 8:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > If it turns out that he does (or in this case, has
> > > easily a thousand times that many dollars) but hasn't
> > > contributed them to the cause that he's trying to
> > > convince you to contribute to, you're being had.
> >
> > MMY certainly has money at his fingertips but I doubt he
> > has 2 billion, for two reasons:
> > 1. Most of it has been squandered on hare-brained projects.
> > 2. His nephews control it and he couldn¹t get it from them
> > if he tried.
>
> I tend to agree.
>
> Still, if the movement had a mere 200 million in
> assets and invested them/mortgaged them to provide
> a meager 6% interest per year, they could still pay
> for these 2000 butt-bouncers using only the interest,
> without touching a penny of the principal.
>
> It's irrelevant in any case because I think we all
> know there's not a ghost of a chance that Maharishi
> will ever dig into his own pockets to pay for any
> of his plans.
>
> For that matter, I suspect we all know that after
> the first month or two the promised 500 bucks will
> never be paid anyway, no matter where it comes from.
> The donors will probably be expected to keep paying
> it to the TMO, but the TMO will never forward it to
> the people on the courses.
>

I agree. Look at what he does, not what he says.
(That's what he tells others to do  )

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

[Rick Archer]

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)





on 9/12/06 11:09 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> It's irrelevant in any case because I think we all
> know there's not a ghost of a chance that Maharishi
> will ever dig into his own pockets to pay for any 
> of his plans. 

But there have been instances where he has. Like the World Peace Project in 1979 where we went to Central America, S. Africa, Iran, etc. The movement took out loans to finance that.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 9/12/06 8:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > If it turns out that he does (or in this case, has
> > easily a thousand times that many dollars) but hasn't
> > contributed them to the cause that he's trying to
> > convince you to contribute to, you're being had.
>  
> MMY certainly has money at his fingertips but I doubt he 
> has 2 billion, for two reasons:
> 1. Most of it has been squandered on hare-brained projects.
> 2. His nephews control it and he couldn¹t get it from them 
> if he tried.

I tend to agree. 

Still, if the movement had a mere 200 million in 
assets and invested them/mortgaged them to provide
a meager 6% interest per year, they could still pay
for these 2000 butt-bouncers using only the interest,
without touching a penny of the principal.

It's irrelevant in any case because I think we all
know there's not a ghost of a chance that Maharishi
will ever dig into his own pockets to pay for any 
of his plans. 

For that matter, I suspect we all know that after
the first month or two the promised 500 bucks will
never be paid anyway, no matter where it comes from.
The donors will probably be expected to keep paying
it to the TMO, but the TMO will never forward it to 
the people on the courses.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > When I first heard that he had placed his own relatives in 
positions 
> > of control like this, I couldn't believe it.  Anyone with a 
> > universal vision for their movement, I thought, would never, 
ever do 
> > such a thing.  Just the PERCEPTION of impropriety in this day 
and 
> > age is enough to fizzle your credibility in the eyes of the 
rational 
> > world...even if the Shrivastavas and the Varmas were as pure as 
the 
> > driven snow, perception is everything in instances such as this.
> > 
> > How could anyone do such a thing?  What was MMY thinking?
> 
> He wasn't. He doesn't have to, because his
> followers don't.
>


That's why I despise those around him.

They should be remembered as the enablers around Breznev and Stalin 
were remembered after those dictators fell.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

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on 9/12/06 8:04 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> If it turns out that he does (or in this case, has 
> easily a thousand times that many dollars) but hasn't 
> contributed them to the cause that he's trying to 
> convince you to contribute to, you're being had.

MMY certainly has money at his fingertips but I doubt he has 2 billion, for two reasons:
Most of it has been squandered on hare-brained projects.
His nephews control it and he couldn’t get it from them if he tried.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> When I first heard that he had placed his own relatives in positions 
> of control like this, I couldn't believe it.  Anyone with a 
> universal vision for their movement, I thought, would never, ever do 
> such a thing.  Just the PERCEPTION of impropriety in this day and 
> age is enough to fizzle your credibility in the eyes of the rational 
> world...even if the Shrivastavas and the Varmas were as pure as the 
> driven snow, perception is everything in instances such as this.
> 
> How could anyone do such a thing?  What was MMY thinking?

He wasn't. He doesn't have to, because his
followers don't.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> 
> > For a guy whose personal assets have been estimated 
> > at a *minimum* of 2 billion dollars
> 
> Not "personal" assets, the TMO's assets.
>


Technically correct.

But at the risk of repeating myself, I would like to see an analysis 
done on MMY's and the TMO's finances in the same way that Forbes 
magazine does an analysis of Fidel Castro's.  For the past several 
years, Forbes has put Castro on their annual list of politicians 
with the highest net worth's...if memory serves me correctly, they 
usually peg him as being worth about $100 million, plus.

Of course, in a communist country, this is not supposed to be so and 
most if not all of these assets are certainly not in Castro's name.

Forbes is making this analysis and assigning this net worth to 
Castro based upon his control of and benefits that flow from these 
assets to him personally.

I wonder how MMY would fare if this same analysis and this same 
standard of Forbes were applied to him.

I would be particularly interested to see how much net worth would 
be assigned to him solely on the basis of MMY giving control of the 
Indian Movement to his blood relatives.

When I first heard that he had placed his own relatives in positions 
of control like this, I couldn't believe it.  Anyone with a 
universal vision for their movement, I thought, would never, ever do 
such a thing.  Just the PERCEPTION of impropriety in this day and 
age is enough to fizzle your credibility in the eyes of the rational 
world...even if the Shrivastavas and the Varmas were as pure as the 
driven snow, perception is everything in instances such as this.

How could anyone do such a thing?  What was MMY thinking?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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> For a guy whose personal assets have been estimated 
> at a *minimum* of 2 billion dollars

Not "personal" assets, the TMO's assets.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced (as long as Someone Else pays them)

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> > I ask you, why do you care?
> 
> I dunno. Could it be wondering how someone 
> -- anyone -- could be so stupid as not to 
> realize that he could pay for this program 
> (that he claims is so important to the world's
> future) himself from mere *interest* on existing 
> funds, while never depleting the principal.
> 
> Because it's either that or wondering how 
> that same someone could be so greedy as to
> realize this and *not* do it, and in fact 
> expect other people to pay for everything, 
> yet again. 
> 
> Those strike me as the only two options.
> Do you see more?

There are probably lots of possibilities,
some of them positive, some of them not
quite so positive.

But the one possibility that never seems
to come up, and hasn't come up now for 40
years or more, is for Maharishi to actually
put *his* assets where his mouth is.

*He*, after all, is the person saying that
the world is in such shit shape that if 2000
people don't do the Hemorrhoid Hop twice a 
day it's in danger of being destroyed. *He* 
is the one appealing to fear, and to the 
admittedly noble desire in his followers to 
see their world survive into another day.

But at the same time, *he* is not willing to
pay for helping it survive another day. And 
he never has been. 

Doesn't that *tell* you something?

I mean, the guy is as much as predicting that
the world is fucked if these 2000 people don't
do the Gluteus Maximus Dance, and soon. But he
is completely willing to allow the world *to*
be fucked if the funds don't come through from
Someone Else. He's got the money to pay for all
this himself -- *more* than enough to pay for
all this himself. But given the trends we've seen 
so far in TM history, he would clearly allow the 
world to blow itself up rather than dig into
his *own* pockets to keep it from being blown up.

I'm ranting a bit here because the other day I
saw an old movie called "The Shoes of the Fisher-
man" that reminded me of Another Possibility. The
movie was a big Hollywood epic based on a best
seller, and had many flaws. But at the same time,
it had a few good points, too, one of them being
a great performance by Anthony Quinn as a simple
man who suddenly finds himself named as Pope, and 
during trying times.

The times are *so* trying that there is about to
be a nuclear war between the USSR and China, 
because the Chinese have been hard hit by famine
and are starving, and neither Russia nor any other
country will help them out by sending sufficient
aid. For reasons of simple survival, they're about 
to invade their neighbor Russia, just to find food.

So what does the simple man who has just become 
Pope do in this fictional movie? He does what Christ 
would have done, and what NO ONE around him in the 
Vatican wants him to do.

He vows to dedicate the total assets of the worldwide
Roman Catholic Church to battling this famine, and
thus to preventing this war.

It's fiction, of course. No Pope in history has
ever been that altruistic. To be honest, no Pope 
in history has ever really given a damn how many 
people starved or how many of them died in wars,
and no Pope ever will. They're politicians and
economists, not men of God.

Similarly, as far as I can tell, Maharishi has
never given a damn about the people of the world.
He talks about them ONLY as a way to get people to
give him more money. If he really believed the 
words he speaks, and really cared about the world
he pretends to want to save, he'd walk his own talk
and put some of his *own* funds to work right about
now. But he doesn't. All he does is use the world's 
suffering as a way to get people to give him more 
money.

It's a pretty simple rule. When someone tells you
that the world will end soon unless X amount of
dollars are contributed to his cause, does the 
person saying this have X amount of dollars? 

If it turns out that he does (or in this case, has 
easily a thousand times that many dollars) but hasn't 
contributed them to the cause that he's trying to 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > And yet the only answer *he* can come up with to the
> > question of "What can I do?" is "Demand that other 
> > people pay for my ideas. Again."
> > 
> > So I ask you -- is THIS the "creative intelligence"
> > that decades of meditation creates in one of its
> > practitioners?
> 
> I ask you, why do you care?

I dunno. Could it be wondering how someone 
-- anyone -- could be so stupid as not to 
realize that he could pay for this program 
(that he claims is so important to the world's
future) himself from mere *interest* on existing 
funds, while never depleting the principal.

Because it's either that or wondering how 
that same someone could be so greedy as to
realize this and *not* do it, and in fact 
expect other people to pay for everything, 
yet again. 

Those strike me as the only two options.
Do you see more?

If not, which of the two are you, as a loyal 
follower of Maharishi, more comfortable with?
Is he terminally stupid or terminally greedy?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well, this post (not quoted because it's complex HTML)
> from George pretty much clears up any confusion about
> *who* is going to be paying the 500 bucks a month (if
> it's ever paid):
> 
> >   "In thinking what he himself could do, 
> >   Maharishi said he will ask the wealthy 
> >   of America to support Fairfield Yogic 
> >   Flyers with scholarships of $500 per month."
> 
> I don't know about you, but I'm truly touched. 
> 
> The guy who runs an organization that has assets valued 
> in the billions of dollars is so worried about the state 
> of the world that he sits down and asks himself, "What 
> can I do?"
>  
> And the answer he comes up with is, "Why, I can ask other 
> people to pay so that these 2000 yogic flyers can do what 
> I want them to do."
> 
> It doesn't ever seem to occur to him that a much simpler
> answer to "What can I do?" is "PAY FOR IT MYSELF."
> 
> Let's do the math together. He wants 2000 people flying
> in Fairfield. Let's assume that at this point his credi-
> bility is so low that in order to get them to do this 
> he'd have to pay *all* 2000 of them to do it. Let's 
> further assume that he can find 2000 people stupid enough
> to do this for 500 bucks a month. 
> 
> 2000 * 500. That would come to one million dollars a month,
> twelve million bucks a year. 
> 
> For a guy whose personal assets have been estimated 
> at a *minimum* of 2 billion dollars, that means that the 
> answer to "What can I do?" is "I could pay for this 
> program myself for a year for less than one-tenth
> of the INTEREST I earn on 2 billion dollars."
> 

Heh. What personal assets and who has done the estimation?

If you're talking about TMO assets, that includes MUM (probably the largest 
single asset) 
which made $100K profit last year according to what was posted here.

> And yet the only answer *he* can come up with to the
> question of "What can I do?" is "Demand that other 
> people pay for my ideas. Again."
> 
> So I ask you -- is THIS the "creative intelligence"
> that decades of meditation creates in one of its
> practitioners?
>

I ask you, why do you care?









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scholarships Officially Announced

[TurquoiseB]

Well, this post (not quoted because it's complex HTML)
from George pretty much clears up any confusion about
*who* is going to be paying the 500 bucks a month (if
it's ever paid):

>   "In thinking what he himself could do, 
>   Maharishi said he will ask the wealthy 
>   of America to support Fairfield Yogic 
>   Flyers with scholarships of $500 per month."

I don't know about you, but I'm truly touched. 

The guy who runs an organization that has assets valued 
in the billions of dollars is so worried about the state 
of the world that he sits down and asks himself, "What 
can I do?"
 
And the answer he comes up with is, "Why, I can ask other 
people to pay so that these 2000 yogic flyers can do what 
I want them to do."

It doesn't ever seem to occur to him that a much simpler
answer to "What can I do?" is "PAY FOR IT MYSELF."

Let's do the math together. He wants 2000 people flying
in Fairfield. Let's assume that at this point his credi-
bility is so low that in order to get them to do this 
he'd have to pay *all* 2000 of them to do it. Let's 
further assume that he can find 2000 people stupid enough
to do this for 500 bucks a month. 

2000 * 500. That would come to one million dollars a month,
twelve million bucks a year. 

For a guy whose personal assets have been estimated 
at a *minimum* of 2 billion dollars, that means that the 
answer to "What can I do?" is "I could pay for this 
program myself for a year for less than one-tenth
of the INTEREST I earn on 2 billion dollars."

And yet the only answer *he* can come up with to the
question of "What can I do?" is "Demand that other 
people pay for my ideas. Again."

So I ask you -- is THIS the "creative intelligence"
that decades of meditation creates in one of its
practitioners?







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