[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: We welcome your comments about these matters, Barry. You provide the opposite end of the argument. That was, in fact, my intention. :-) So, it keeps everybody honest and thinking. Personally, I believe that these stories are written in symbolic codes, aside from the apparent drift of the story. One has to interpret the meaning of these symbols in order to understand the true message. I would say instead, One *can* interpret the meaning of things one perceives in stories as symbols. One certainly does not have to. To suggest that one has to is neither honest nor thinking. Nor is suggesting that the story has a true meaning that only you and a few other select perceivers understand. Some of us are content with leaving the stories as what they are -- stories. They need no ego-fluff to make them better or more meaningful. The interpretations may vary for us now. But the ancient writers may have intended them that way. They may have. I will honestly admit that. But does that give the stories any more worth or meaning? Some guru traditions interpret the stories literally. There are others who don't. And, just to provide that opposite end of the argument you were talking about, *why* should the interpretation of a guru tradition inter- est anyone any more than the interpretation of anyone else? Do the guru traditions inherently have more insight or truth to them? More important, do the symbols that they per- ceive in these stories have any validity? What I was poking a little fun at in your original post was that you told the story of this fellow from the vedic texts who is still alive today, *as if that story were fact*. You seemed to assume that because of the source, it *was* true. Below I rewrite your original post a bit, using a different text or source story. As a serious question, why isn't it as valid an interpretation of symbols as your interpretation of the vedic texts? Why isn't it possibly as true and thus as eligible to be presented by you as fact as the story you related? Could it possibly be that one of the stories has a myth surrounding it that causes some people to believe that it *IS* fact, and the other story doesn't? To All: According to certain ancient texts, a person who wears the One Ring can live an extraordinarily long time. In fact, one such person by the name of Bilbo who wore the One Ring lived well past the ripe old age of leventy-leven, and is still living today somewhere in the Western Lands, along with Frodo and Gandalf. According to the text, they may return at some point to revive the lineages and greatness of Middle Earth. Get the point? I have pasted your original post below, in case you don't. What you were doing in it IMO was presenting fiction as if it were fact. I merely did the same thing. See how silly it sounds when you don't assume things about the possible factual nature of the source story? To All: According to certain vedic texts, an adept in yoga can live forever by controlling the inhalation and exhalation of the breath. One of Ramachandra's descendant by the name of Maru, who was born thousands of years ago, is supposedly still alive today and is living somewhere in India. According to the text, he will revive the lineage of the Sun dynasty sometime in the future.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga
Senor Barry y todos: Personally, I believe that these stories are written in symbolic codes, aside from the apparent drift of the story. One has to interpret the meaning of these symbols in order to understand the true message. I would say instead, One *can* interpret the meaning of things one perceives in stories as symbols. One certainly does not have to. To suggest that one has to is neither honest nor thinking. Nor is suggesting that the story has a true meaning that only you and a few other select perceivers understand. Some of us are content with leaving the stories as what they are -- stories. They need no ego-fluff to make them better or more meaningful. The point being addressed is the fact that human beings in search of the truth are continually assessing the information available from the ancient writers to determine the validity of the stories or messages therein. Leaving the stories as they are would not be sufficient to satisfy anyone's intelligence and would leave a huge vacuum of doubts, as you have already shown. If anyone is to prove or disprove any of these stories, he or she would have to spend the time to research the data and make careful assesments to come up with a responsible conclusion. In other words, you can't bullshit anyone and get away with it. To this end, many scholars in any of the religious traditions have spent their lifetime researching the available historical records to satisfy their own thirst for meaning. The interpretations may vary for us now. But the ancient writers may have intended them that way. They may have. I will honestly admit that. But does that give the stories any more worth or meaning? Of course it does. The ancient writers were assuming that the readers today and in generations to come are intelligent enough to understand the message they are delivering. Actually, from their perspective, they were probably spoon feeding us the information in order to get it. The vedic texts indicate that the people from the prior yugas were very intelligent and could assimilate the information given to them by hearing them alone. However, Vyasa and others found through their intuitive knowledge that the succeeding generations, particularly those in Kali Yuga today, would not be intelligent enough to understand the truth. As such, they wrote the vedic texts in increments to make sure that the knowledge is passed down for generations to come. Some guru traditions interpret the stories literally. There are others who don't. And, just to provide that opposite end of the argument you were talking about, *why* should the interpretation of a guru tradition inter- est anyone any more than the interpretation of anyone else? Do the guru traditions inherently have more insight or truth to them? Yes, they do matter. All of us would want to learn the true message. We don't to learn it from distractors like you. More important, do the symbols that they per- ceive in these stories have any validity? What I was poking a little fun at in your original post was that you told the story of this fellow from the vedic texts who is still alive today, *as if that story were fact*. You seemed to assume that because of the source, it *was* true. I cited the source of my information. The readers can decide whether to believe it or not. Otherwise, the readers will question my authority for providing the information. Below I rewrite your original post a bit, using a different text or source story. As a serious question, why isn't it as valid an interpretation of symbols as your interpretation of the vedic texts? Why isn't it possibly as true and thus as eligible to be presented by you as fact as the story you related? Could it possibly be that one of the stories has a myth surrounding it that causes some people to believe that it *IS* fact, and the other story doesn't? Based on the information provided, the readers would question the text because you wrote it. You appear to agree with Campbell (the author who appeared with Bill Moyers on a PBS show several years) that the stories in many religious traditions are myths. They may be myths, but they do convey valuable knowledge, which can be termed as spiritual or religious principles. To All: According to certain ancient texts, a person who wears the One Ring can live an extraordinarily long time. In fact, one such person by the name of Bilbo who wore the One Ring lived well past the ripe old age of leventy-leven, and is still living today somewhere in the Western Lands, along with Frodo and Gandalf. According to the text, they may return at some point to revive the lineages and greatness of Middle Earth. Get the point? I have pasted your original post below, in case you don't. What you were doing in it IMO was presenting fiction as if it were fact. I merely did the same thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: Senor Barry y todos: Personally I believe that these stories are written in symbolic codes, aside from the apparent drift of the story. One has to interpret the meaning of these symbols in order to understand the true message. I would say instead, One *can* interpret the meaning of things one perceives in stories as symbols. One certainly does not have to. To suggest that one has to is neither honest nor thinking. Nor is suggesting that the story has a true meaning that only you and a few other select perceivers understand. Some of us are content with leaving the stories as what they are -- stories. They need no ego-fluff to make them better or more meaningful. The point being addressed is the fact that human beings in search of the truth ... Stop there. IS there such a thing as the truth? A truth that is true for all beings, in whatever state of consciousness that they find themselves in? If not, is there such a thing as the highest truth, that truth that trumps state of consciousness, and wins no matter what? These are some of the unaddressed assumptions that I see underlying your posts. Just sayin'. ...are continually assessing the information available from the ancient writers to determine the validity of the stories or messages therein. Leaving the stories as they are would not be sufficient to satisfy anyone's intelligence and would leave a huge vacuum of doubts, as you have already shown. Why not? I don't think I've shown any such thing. I think instead that doubt is the human condition, and that it sets the human condition FREE, and that the notion of truth, in contrast, is the thing that tends to make the human condition misery. If anyone is to prove or disprove any of these stories, he or she would have to spend the time to research the data and make careful assesments to come up with a responsible conclusion. In other words, you can't bullshit anyone and get away with it. To this end, many scholars in any of the religious traditions have spent their lifetime researching the available historical records to satisfy their own thirst for meaning. And? You kinda left that hanging. And? The interpretations may vary for us now. But the ancient writers may have intended them that way. They may have. I will honestly admit that. But does that give the stories any more worth or meaning? Of course it does. *Of course it does?* Sounds kinda absolutist to me. How do you KNOW this? I keep asking you this question, by the way, and you keep failing to respond. I'd pay attention to that if you want to initiate a real conversation. And I'm enjoying this one so far, so I really hope that that's what you want. The ancient writers were assuming that the readers today and in generations to come are intelligent enough to understand the message they are delivering. Actually, from their perspective, they were probably spoon feeding us the information in order to get it. And you know this exactly HOW? ( This is a variant of How do you KNOW this? if you didn't get that. ) The vedic texts indicate that the people from the prior yugas were very intelligent and could assimilate the information given to them by hearing them alone. And this should mean something to me because the sentence started with, The vedic texts indicate...? Get real. However, Vyasa and others found through their intuitive knowledge that the succeeding generations, particularly those in Kali Yuga today, would not be intelligent enough to understand the truth. As such, they wrote the vedic texts in increments to make sure that the knowledge is passed down for generations to come. So the story you put so much credence in -- the one about the guy who is still alive and kicking from Vedic times -- is from a book you are defining as Knowledge For Dummies? :-) Some guru traditions interpret the stories literally. There are others who don't. And, just to provide that opposite end of the argument you were talking about, *why* should the interpretation of a guru tradition inter- est anyone any more than the interpretation of anyone else? Do the guru traditions inherently have more insight or truth to them? Yes, they do matter. W H Y ? All of us would want to learn the true message. No, all of us do NOT want to know some comforting fiction presented as truth or the true message. Some of us only want to keep on seeking, forever, without ever finding *anything* we can pin down as truth. The fact that you do not understand this is illustri- tave of the gulf that exists between our two points of view. We don't to learn it from distractors like you. And I am a distractor. W H Y ? Could it possibly have something to do that my opinion differs from yours, which isn't even yours? As far as I can tell, yours was
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: To All: According to certain vedic texts, an adept in yoga can live forever by controlling the inhalation and exhalation of the breath. Given the Post Count mechanism screwup, I'm not completely sure but I think that this is my last post of the week. And, as such, it would probably behoove me to say something intelligent and uplifting in response to one of our more thoughtful members here. Instead, I'm going to respond to John again. So John, might I propose a commentary to your brilliant observation on the vedic texts above? The entirety of my commentary is, Well, duh. If I could control the inhalation and exhalation of my breath by keeping them going, I could live forever, too. So could you. There ain't no adept or yoga in the equation at all. :-) Well, duh. One of Ramachandra's descendant by the name of Maru, who was born thousands of years ago, is supposedly still alive today and is living somewhere in India. Actually, this part is true. Maru lives in a remote cave in the Himalayas with Maitreya (yes, Nabby's Maitreya), where the two of them have a fairly bitch- slap-meets-bitch-slap homosexual relationship. Their spats can be heard from miles away, as can their lovemaking when they run out of K-Y lubricant. According to the text, he will revive the lineage of the Sun dynasty sometime in the future. And then *everyone* is going to have to invest in K-Y lubricant. The resulting era will be known as the Sun Buggery Yuga, or the Age of Enlightened Bendover. :-) I'm just funnin' wit ya, John, to see if you've got a sense of humor about all of this. I would suggest that if you don't, you should probably work on that. I *understand* that you probably wrote your post out of a desire to inspire others here with the same sense of awe and wonder that you felt when reading this fairy story (so to speak), and there are probably a few folks here who will feel that same sense of awe and wonder. You had them at According to certain vedic texts. Say that magic phrase and some are willing to throw common sense out the window and believe anything that follows without question. They are willing to believe stories about living forever, about monkey men leaping from India to Sri Lanka, about big blue chauffeurs getting to decide who lives and who dies, about green flowing soma, and about cows. Lots and lots of stories about cows. But others of us here -- I would suggest many of them firmly still in the I like TM and continue to practice it no matter what camp -- seem to be able to view these fairy tales *as* fairy tales, and enjoy them as such, without feeling the need to believe them as literal fact. You seem to feel the need to believe them as literal fact, the same way that Jim Jim (what *is* it about guys from the South with two first names like Jim Bob or Bubba Sue, anyway?) seems to believe that the Bible is literal fact. So I'm going to pose a few questions to you. You may answer them or not, as you see fit, but I've really just got to ask, because I find your position in all of this as curious as Jim Jim's. First, do you really *believe* that one of Ramachandra's descendents named Maru is still alive and kicking today and living somewhere in India? If so, what makes you believe this? Have you seen any *other* examples of people living forever? If this guy pulled off living forever by being an adept in yoga and Maharishi (obviously) didn't, does that make Maharishi *less* than an adept in yoga? What is the *value* of living forever? ( To the world, that is. I can imagine that if one is ego-bound enough to *want* to live forever it has a value to the self. ) If you were secretly given the location of Ramachandra's descendent, and were to go see him, would you believe the things he told you just because he said them, and he's so freakin' old? ( I mean, Roger Moore just turned 80, but I don't see him as any font of eternal wisdom, even if he did play James Bond for a while. ) If you were to go to see Ramachandra's descendent and the first thing he asked you was, Did you bring your K-Y?, would you have second thoughts about the eternal truth to be found in the vedic texts? And on that note, I think that's 50 and I'm outa here. Jai and away...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga
i recall in Autobiography of a Yogi, Yogananda mentions a saint living in the himalayas who is 1,000's of years old as well. there is also mention of a saint who was about 350 years old, though i don't recall where i read about him. even Tat Wala Baba, who was assassinated at the age of 80 or so was said to look only about 35. i am ok with going when i go, though it is remarkable these stories of those who come to earth with the express purpose of showing us that even human life need not be as short as it commonly is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: To All: According to certain vedic texts, an adept in yoga can live forever by controlling the inhalation and exhalation of the breath. One of Ramachandra's descendant by the name of Maru, who was born thousands of years ago, is supposedly still alive today and is living somewhere in India. According to the text, he will revive the lineage of the Sun dynasty sometime in the future. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga
sounds like someone needs a hug.:) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: According to certain vedic texts, an adept in yoga can live forever by controlling the inhalation and exhalation of the breath. Given the Post Count mechanism screwup, I'm not completely sure but I think that this is my last post of the week. And, as such, it would probably behoove me to say something intelligent and uplifting in response to one of our more thoughtful members here. Instead, I'm going to respond to John again. So John, might I propose a commentary to your brilliant observation on the vedic texts above? The entirety of my commentary is, Well, duh. If I could control the inhalation and exhalation of my breath by keeping them going, I could live forever, too. So could you. There ain't no adept or yoga in the equation at all. :-) Well, duh. One of Ramachandra's descendant by the name of Maru, who was born thousands of years ago, is supposedly still alive today and is living somewhere in India. Actually, this part is true. Maru lives in a remote cave in the Himalayas with Maitreya (yes, Nabby's Maitreya), where the two of them have a fairly bitch- slap-meets-bitch-slap homosexual relationship. Their spats can be heard from miles away, as can their lovemaking when they run out of K-Y lubricant. According to the text, he will revive the lineage of the Sun dynasty sometime in the future. And then *everyone* is going to have to invest in K-Y lubricant. The resulting era will be known as the Sun Buggery Yuga, or the Age of Enlightened Bendover. :-) I'm just funnin' wit ya, John, to see if you've got a sense of humor about all of this. I would suggest that if you don't, you should probably work on that. I *understand* that you probably wrote your post out of a desire to inspire others here with the same sense of awe and wonder that you felt when reading this fairy story (so to speak), and there are probably a few folks here who will feel that same sense of awe and wonder. You had them at According to certain vedic texts. Say that magic phrase and some are willing to throw common sense out the window and believe anything that follows without question. They are willing to believe stories about living forever, about monkey men leaping from India to Sri Lanka, about big blue chauffeurs getting to decide who lives and who dies, about green flowing soma, and about cows. Lots and lots of stories about cows. But others of us here -- I would suggest many of them firmly still in the I like TM and continue to practice it no matter what camp -- seem to be able to view these fairy tales *as* fairy tales, and enjoy them as such, without feeling the need to believe them as literal fact. You seem to feel the need to believe them as literal fact, the same way that Jim Jim (what *is* it about guys from the South with two first names like Jim Bob or Bubba Sue, anyway?) seems to believe that the Bible is literal fact. So I'm going to pose a few questions to you. You may answer them or not, as you see fit, but I've really just got to ask, because I find your position in all of this as curious as Jim Jim's. First, do you really *believe* that one of Ramachandra's descendents named Maru is still alive and kicking today and living somewhere in India? If so, what makes you believe this? Have you seen any *other* examples of people living forever? If this guy pulled off living forever by being an adept in yoga and Maharishi (obviously) didn't, does that make Maharishi *less* than an adept in yoga? What is the *value* of living forever? ( To the world, that is. I can imagine that if one is ego-bound enough to *want* to live forever it has a value to the self. ) If you were secretly given the location of Ramachandra's descendent, and were to go see him, would you believe the things he told you just because he said them, and he's so freakin' old? ( I mean, Roger Moore just turned 80, but I don't see him as any font of eternal wisdom, even if he did play James Bond for a while. ) If you were to go to see Ramachandra's descendent and the first thing he asked you was, Did you bring your K-Y?, would you have second thoughts about the eternal truth to be found in the vedic texts? And on that note, I think that's 50 and I'm outa here. Jai and away...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga
Yogananda was referring to a person by the name of Babaji, as I recall. It appears that certain guru traditions in India are still perpetuating this legend for one reason or the other. For me, this story is telling me that there are natural ways to lengthen one's health and longevity, which are diametrically opposed to the current allopathic practices today. Although our society has advanced in technological terms, it has forgotten how to live like a human being. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: i recall in Autobiography of a Yogi, Yogananda mentions a saint living in the himalayas who is 1,000's of years old as well. there is also mention of a saint who was about 350 years old, though i don't recall where i read about him. even Tat Wala Baba, who was assassinated at the age of 80 or so was said to look only about 35. i am ok with going when i go, though it is remarkable these stories of those who come to earth with the express purpose of showing us that even human life need not be as short as it commonly is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: According to certain vedic texts, an adept in yoga can live forever by controlling the inhalation and exhalation of the breath. One of Ramachandra's descendant by the name of Maru, who was born thousands of years ago, is supposedly still alive today and is living somewhere in India. According to the text, he will revive the lineage of the Sun dynasty sometime in the future. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga
We welcome your comments about these matters, Barry. You provide the opposite end of the argument. So, it keeps everybody honest and thinking. Personally, I believe that these stories are written in symbolic codes, aside from the apparent drift of the story. One has to interpret the meaning of these symbols in order to understand the true message. The interpretations may vary for us now. But the ancient writers may have intended them that way. Some guru traditions interpret the stories literally. There are others who don't. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: According to certain vedic texts, an adept in yoga can live forever by controlling the inhalation and exhalation of the breath. Given the Post Count mechanism screwup, I'm not completely sure but I think that this is my last post of the week. And, as such, it would probably behoove me to say something intelligent and uplifting in response to one of our more thoughtful members here. Instead, I'm going to respond to John again. So John, might I propose a commentary to your brilliant observation on the vedic texts above? The entirety of my commentary is, Well, duh. If I could control the inhalation and exhalation of my breath by keeping them going, I could live forever, too. So could you. There ain't no adept or yoga in the equation at all. :-) Well, duh. One of Ramachandra's descendant by the name of Maru, who was born thousands of years ago, is supposedly still alive today and is living somewhere in India. Actually, this part is true. Maru lives in a remote cave in the Himalayas with Maitreya (yes, Nabby's Maitreya), where the two of them have a fairly bitch- slap-meets-bitch-slap homosexual relationship. Their spats can be heard from miles away, as can their lovemaking when they run out of K-Y lubricant. According to the text, he will revive the lineage of the Sun dynasty sometime in the future. And then *everyone* is going to have to invest in K-Y lubricant. The resulting era will be known as the Sun Buggery Yuga, or the Age of Enlightened Bendover. :-) I'm just funnin' wit ya, John, to see if you've got a sense of humor about all of this. I would suggest that if you don't, you should probably work on that. I *understand* that you probably wrote your post out of a desire to inspire others here with the same sense of awe and wonder that you felt when reading this fairy story (so to speak), and there are probably a few folks here who will feel that same sense of awe and wonder. You had them at According to certain vedic texts. Say that magic phrase and some are willing to throw common sense out the window and believe anything that follows without question. They are willing to believe stories about living forever, about monkey men leaping from India to Sri Lanka, about big blue chauffeurs getting to decide who lives and who dies, about green flowing soma, and about cows. Lots and lots of stories about cows. But others of us here -- I would suggest many of them firmly still in the I like TM and continue to practice it no matter what camp -- seem to be able to view these fairy tales *as* fairy tales, and enjoy them as such, without feeling the need to believe them as literal fact. You seem to feel the need to believe them as literal fact, the same way that Jim Jim (what *is* it about guys from the South with two first names like Jim Bob or Bubba Sue, anyway?) seems to believe that the Bible is literal fact. So I'm going to pose a few questions to you. You may answer them or not, as you see fit, but I've really just got to ask, because I find your position in all of this as curious as Jim Jim's. First, do you really *believe* that one of Ramachandra's descendents named Maru is still alive and kicking today and living somewhere in India? If so, what makes you believe this? Have you seen any *other* examples of people living forever? If this guy pulled off living forever by being an adept in yoga and Maharishi (obviously) didn't, does that make Maharishi *less* than an adept in yoga? What is the *value* of living forever? ( To the world, that is. I can imagine that if one is ego-bound enough to *want* to live forever it has a value to the self. ) If you were secretly given the location of Ramachandra's descendent, and were to go see him, would you believe the things he told you just because he said them, and he's so freakin' old? ( I mean, Roger Moore just turned 80, but I don't see him as any font of eternal wisdom, even if he did play James Bond for a while. ) If you were to go to see Ramachandra's descendent and the first thing he asked you was, Did you bring your K-Y?, would you have second thoughts about the eternal truth to be found in the vedic
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga
On Feb 13, 2009, at 1:51 PM, John wrote: Yogananda was referring to a person by the name of Babaji, as I recall. It appears that certain guru traditions in India are still perpetuating this legend for one reason or the other. For me, this story is telling me that there are natural ways to lengthen one's health and longevity, which are diametrically opposed to the current allopathic practices today. Although our society has advanced in technological terms, it has forgotten how to live like a human being. Long-life practices of the Hindu and Buddhist tantras do exist, are still taught and they do work, but they are not necessarily opposed to allopathic medicine at all. Their mechanism is primarily yogic and although they do combine with the practice of certain rasayanas, there's no reason that I'm aware of to discontinue allopathic medicines while taking them. In fact I know several people who've done the practices while undergoing chemotherapy and radiation therapy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga
yes, Babaji is the name i recall, now that you mention it. interesting you bring up the technology angle. i have been thinking lately how technology makes us all sidhas in a way-- ability to fly, supernormal hearing, sight and speech, omniscience (well wikipedia, anyway), etc, but without the requisite development of expanded awareness, it leads to mundane applications at best (American Idol, internet porn) and accelerated extinction at worst (global warming, nuclear war, toxic food and water, super bacteria, etc.). also interesting that just as technology began to expand through time and space beyond our ability to control it, that the Maharishi brought out TM. as if the innate intelligence of the universe saw that an appropriate balance of consciousness vs action was needed in order for us to handle the acceleration of living resulting from the technological explosion we find ourselves in the middle of. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: Yogananda was referring to a person by the name of Babaji, as I recall. It appears that certain guru traditions in India are still perpetuating this legend for one reason or the other. For me, this story is telling me that there are natural ways to lengthen one's health and longevity, which are diametrically opposed to the current allopathic practices today. Although our society has advanced in technological terms, it has forgotten how to live like a human being. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: i recall in Autobiography of a Yogi, Yogananda mentions a saint living in the himalayas who is 1,000's of years old as well. there is also mention of a saint who was about 350 years old, though i don't recall where i read about him. even Tat Wala Baba, who was assassinated at the age of 80 or so was said to look only about 35. i am ok with going when i go, though it is remarkable these stories of those who come to earth with the express purpose of showing us that even human life need not be as short as it commonly is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: According to certain vedic texts, an adept in yoga can live forever by controlling the inhalation and exhalation of the breath. One of Ramachandra's descendant by the name of Maru, who was born thousands of years ago, is supposedly still alive today and is living somewhere in India. According to the text, he will revive the lineage of the Sun dynasty sometime in the future. JR
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Actually, this part is true. Maru lives in a remote cave in the Himalayas with Maitreya (yes, Nabby's Maitreya), Wrong again. Maitreya left the Himalayas in 1977 and is now living in the indian community of London.
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There is a system of ayurveda which the name of escapes me but mainly deals with keeping the tonification and reduction cycles properly maintained. With tonification you keep the body from degenerating and with reduction you eliminate any toxins that could create premature aging. Difficult to do and many new agers get too hung up on the reduction cycle and don't do much tonification. That won't work. I'm just trying to remember the guy from Kerala who was in the area 10 years ago promoting the system. John wrote: Yogananda was referring to a person by the name of Babaji, as I recall. It appears that certain guru traditions in India are still perpetuating this legend for one reason or the other. For me, this story is telling me that there are natural ways to lengthen one's health and longevity, which are diametrically opposed to the current allopathic practices today. Although our society has advanced in technological terms, it has forgotten how to live like a human being. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: i recall in Autobiography of a Yogi, Yogananda mentions a saint living in the himalayas who is 1,000's of years old as well. there is also mention of a saint who was about 350 years old, though i don't recall where i read about him. even Tat Wala Baba, who was assassinated at the age of 80 or so was said to look only about 35. i am ok with going when i go, though it is remarkable these stories of those who come to earth with the express purpose of showing us that even human life need not be as short as it commonly is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: According to certain vedic texts, an adept in yoga can live forever by controlling the inhalation and exhalation of the breath. One of Ramachandra's descendant by the name of Maru, who was born thousands of years ago, is supposedly still alive today and is living somewhere in India. According to the text, he will revive the lineage of the Sun dynasty sometime in the future. JR
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nablusoss1008 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Actually, this part is true. Maru lives in a remote cave in the Himalayas with Maitreya (yes, Nabby's Maitreya), Wrong again. Maitreya left the Himalayas in 1977 and is now living in the indian community of London. Is he running an Indian grocery or smoke shop? :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: [snip] One of Ramachandra's descendant by the name of Maru, who was born thousands of years ago, is supposedly still alive today and is living somewhere in India. Actually, this part is true. Maru lives in a remote cave in the Himalayas with Maitreya (yes, Nabby's Maitreya), where the two of them have a fairly bitch- slap-meets-bitch-slap homosexual relationship. Their spats can be heard from miles away, as can their lovemaking when they run out of K-Y lubricant. According to the text, he will revive the lineage of the Sun dynasty sometime in the future. And then *everyone* is going to have to invest in K-Y lubricant. The resulting era will be known as the Sun Buggery Yuga, or the Age of Enlightened Bendover. :-) K-Y has all the lubricity of contact cement. With any luck, Jesus will return and bring the Gospel of Astroglide for all mankind. [snip] Jai and away... I think Jai, Jai, and away sounds better.
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On Feb 13, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Bhairitu wrote: There is a system of ayurveda which the name of escapes me but mainly deals with keeping the tonification and reduction cycles properly maintained. With tonification you keep the body from degenerating and with reduction you eliminate any toxins that could create premature aging. Difficult to do and many new agers get too hung up on the reduction cycle and don't do much tonification. That won't work. I'm just trying to remember the guy from Kerala who was in the area 10 years ago promoting the system. Kaya-kalpa?
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Vaj wrote: On Feb 13, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Bhairitu wrote: There is a system of ayurveda which the name of escapes me but mainly deals with keeping the tonification and reduction cycles properly maintained. With tonification you keep the body from degenerating and with reduction you eliminate any toxins that could create premature aging. Difficult to do and many new agers get too hung up on the reduction cycle and don't do much tonification. That won't work. I'm just trying to remember the guy from Kerala who was in the area 10 years ago promoting the system. Kaya-kalpa? That's it!
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On Feb 13, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: On Feb 13, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Bhairitu wrote: There is a system of ayurveda which the name of escapes me but mainly deals with keeping the tonification and reduction cycles properly maintained. With tonification you keep the body from degenerating and with reduction you eliminate any toxins that could create premature aging. Difficult to do and many new agers get too hung up on the reduction cycle and don't do much tonification. That won't work. I'm just trying to remember the guy from Kerala who was in the area 10 years ago promoting the system. Kaya-kalpa? That's it! A lot of people have begun capitalizing off the name, reputation and legend of kaya-kalpa. It's highly unlikely that any of these are legitimate. There are vaidyas in India who've been looking for the secret of kaya-kalpa for many years, so I doubt what's being sold in the US or Europe is the real deal. Mahesh even claimed he was going to restore the kaya-kalpa regimes, but never was able to.
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the natural, anti-aging technique i have used for several years now involves not wearing my glasses when i look in the mirror. that way, the slow deterioration of my eyesight almost perfectly matches the increase of wrinkles on my face, creating a soft focus, and a nearly ageless appearance! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: There is a system of ayurveda which the name of escapes me but mainly deals with keeping the tonification and reduction cycles properly maintained. With tonification you keep the body from degenerating and with reduction you eliminate any toxins that could create premature aging. Difficult to do and many new agers get too hung up on the reduction cycle and don't do much tonification. That won't work. I'm just trying to remember the guy from Kerala who was in the area 10 years ago promoting the system. John wrote: Yogananda was referring to a person by the name of Babaji, as I recall. It appears that certain guru traditions in India are still perpetuating this legend for one reason or the other. For me, this story is telling me that there are natural ways to lengthen one's health and longevity, which are diametrically opposed to the current allopathic practices today. Although our society has advanced in technological terms, it has forgotten how to live like a human being. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: i recall in Autobiography of a Yogi, Yogananda mentions a saint living in the himalayas who is 1,000's of years old as well. there is also mention of a saint who was about 350 years old, though i don't recall where i read about him. even Tat Wala Baba, who was assassinated at the age of 80 or so was said to look only about 35. i am ok with going when i go, though it is remarkable these stories of those who come to earth with the express purpose of showing us that even human life need not be as short as it commonly is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: To All: According to certain vedic texts, an adept in yoga can live forever by controlling the inhalation and exhalation of the breath. One of Ramachandra's descendant by the name of Maru, who was born thousands of years ago, is supposedly still alive today and is living somewhere in India. According to the text, he will revive the lineage of the Sun dynasty sometime in the future. JR
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bastard! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Feb 13, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: On Feb 13, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Bhairitu wrote: There is a system of ayurveda which the name of escapes me but mainly deals with keeping the tonification and reduction cycles properly maintained. With tonification you keep the body from degenerating and with reduction you eliminate any toxins that could create premature aging. Difficult to do and many new agers get too hung up on the reduction cycle and don't do much tonification. That won't work. I'm just trying to remember the guy from Kerala who was in the area 10 years ago promoting the system. Kaya-kalpa? That's it! A lot of people have begun capitalizing off the name, reputation and legend of kaya-kalpa. It's highly unlikely that any of these are legitimate. There are vaidyas in India who've been looking for the secret of kaya-kalpa for many years, so I doubt what's being sold in the US or Europe is the real deal. Mahesh even claimed he was going to restore the kaya-kalpa regimes, but never was able to.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga
Vaj wrote: On Feb 13, 2009, at 4:14 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Vaj wrote: On Feb 13, 2009, at 2:49 PM, Bhairitu wrote: There is a system of ayurveda which the name of escapes me but mainly deals with keeping the tonification and reduction cycles properly maintained. With tonification you keep the body from degenerating and with reduction you eliminate any toxins that could create premature aging. Difficult to do and many new agers get too hung up on the reduction cycle and don't do much tonification. That won't work. I'm just trying to remember the guy from Kerala who was in the area 10 years ago promoting the system. Kaya-kalpa? That's it! A lot of people have begun capitalizing off the name, reputation and legend of kaya-kalpa. It's highly unlikely that any of these are legitimate. There are vaidyas in India who've been looking for the secret of kaya-kalpa for many years, so I doubt what's being sold in the US or Europe is the real deal. Mahesh even claimed he was going to restore the kaya-kalpa regimes, but never was able to. Joseph Kurian was the guy who was promoting it around here. But he mainly talked about it and sold some teas and massage creams. Aging is mainly the effect of vata so if you can keep ahead of that then you are part of the way down the road. Chopra once said you can keep ahead of aging that is if you want to lead that boring of life. ;-)
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On Feb 13, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Bhairitu wrote: A lot of people have begun capitalizing off the name, reputation and legend of kaya-kalpa. It's highly unlikely that any of these are legitimate. There are vaidyas in India who've been looking for the secret of kaya-kalpa for many years, so I doubt what's being sold in the US or Europe is the real deal. Mahesh even claimed he was going to restore the kaya-kalpa regimes, but never was able to. Joseph Kurian was the guy who was promoting it around here. But he mainly talked about it and sold some teas and massage creams. Aging is mainly the effect of vata so if you can keep ahead of that then you are part of the way down the road. Chopra once said you can keep ahead of aging that is if you want to lead that boring of life. ;-) Yes, he was promoting his brand of marma therapy and I was told by a physician who was using them that they were excellent. He also claimed that one day the guy just disappeared. I found his book on the subject unimpressive. It does seem however that this gentleman who was supposed to be MMY's successor, who later withdrew, is the real deal. He's descended from over a hundred generations of vaidyas, back to the guy who healed Krishna of the arrow.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: the US or Europe is the real deal. Mahesh even claimed he was going to restore the kaya-kalpa regimes, but never was able to. He certainly did just that. Obviously not available to ordinary westerners.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Siddha Yoga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: the US or Europe is the real deal. Mahesh even claimed he was going to restore the kaya-kalpa regimes, but never was able to. He certainly did just that. Obviously not available to ordinary westerners. i didn't write the above-- three guesses who did...
