Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades
On 10/26/2014 8:50 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Strange, your version of the ideal residence course, Barry, involves driving, going to restaurants, maybe having a beer, possibly getting high? Hey, whatever floats your boat. > /According to what I've read, Lenz's idea of a residence course was to meet up somewhere and watch Lenz fly around a couple of inches off the floor. Go figure./ > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The new "rules and regs" began to be imposed upon American TM teachers in the mid-70s. That's the point at which TM residence courses began to be so structured as to leave no free time and from which as a participant you could actually be "sent home" for non-compliance. *From:* "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 12:54 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades Wait a minute!! You mean the course structure you are describing was NOT the way it was done in the early days!?!?! I started TM in 1974 and the structure you describe is exactly the way all of the residence courses were done that I ever took. I must say however that I enjoyed every single one of them except for one I did on John's Island (off the coast of South Carolina) a Catholic retreat center called the St. Christopher's Conference Center and I didn't enjoy it because it was taught by that goddamn Gene Spiegel, a transplanted Yankee who was in charge of what was then the Area Capitol of Atlanta. Talk about an abrasive, arrogant abusive son of a bitch. He is the reason my mother and step father quit doing TM. Other than that I enjoyed all my residence courses, especially the ones at St. Ignatius House outside of Atlanta. That is the one the Movement got kicked out of after the Catholics got wind of the siddhis. Hee heee! But it was nice while it lasted. Enjoyed the residence courses MUCH more than I ever did any of the WPA's I did later after getting the siddhis. *From:* "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" *To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:21 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades Ah, flashbacks to when TM was actually fun. I used to teach a lot of residence courses, back in Toronto and all over the West Coast of the US, and before the TMO turned into the Reichstag and tried to turn residence courses into concentration camps. It really *was* nice arranging for good food, comfortable facilities, a *few* audio or video tapes, and then a number of prepared advanced lectures and discussions, plus plenty of time to enjoy the solitude, take walks and enjoy what a "retreat" is really supposed to be all about. Then the assholes in Seelisberg started trying to impose their Fascist ideas on everyone, and started creating "rules and regulations" that teachers of these courses were required to follow. A "buddy system" so that no one was ever allowed to be alone unless they were in their rooms meditating. Yeah, THAT's a sane idea for someone who has paid money for a retreat to allow them to get away and experience what it's like to be alone with themselves for a weekend. Next the participants weren't allowed to leave the facilities. They couldn't go into town, or drive a car, or go out for a dessert, even if the restaurant was across the street. Finally, the schedules for these courses began to be "padded out" so that the participants were not allowed even a moment of free time. Every moment was accounted for -- they had to either be eating, meditating and "doing program," or on an official Walk And Talk while in the company of their buddy, or sitting in a room watching a videotape of Maharishi trying to sell them something. No *wonder* these guys are still in business and still attracting students to attend their retreats. They understood why people liked them in the first place. ------------ *From:* salyavin808 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:35 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hey Sal, you ever do any rounding in this joint? Nope, I never met any of the teachers there either. They were leaving just as I started working for HQ. In fact I was on the conference call when they started complaining about Marshy's new pricing scheme, it was my first glimpse of collective coherence or "field independence" as the case may be ;-) Nice building though, I know TMe
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades
don't forget snorting coke, followed by a trip to the firing range, in a limo, naked, with strippers, and free ammo -- and that's just day one. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Oh, yea, maybe throw in some offerings from TV, or the big screen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Strange, your version of the ideal residence course, Barry, involves driving, going to restaurants, maybe having a beer, possibly getting high? Hey, whatever floats your boat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The new "rules and regs" began to be imposed upon American TM teachers in the mid-70s. That's the point at which TM residence courses began to be so structured as to leave no free time and from which as a participant you could actually be "sent home" for non-compliance. From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades Wait a minute!! You mean the course structure you are describing was NOT the way it was done in the early days!?!?! I started TM in 1974 and the structure you describe is exactly the way all of the residence courses were done that I ever took. I must say however that I enjoyed every single one of them except for one I did on John's Island (off the coast of South Carolina) a Catholic retreat center called the St. Christopher's Conference Center and I didn't enjoy it because it was taught by that goddamn Gene Spiegel, a transplanted Yankee who was in charge of what was then the Area Capitol of Atlanta. Talk about an abrasive, arrogant abusive son of a bitch. He is the reason my mother and step father quit doing TM. Other than that I enjoyed all my residence courses, especially the ones at St. Ignatius House outside of Atlanta. That is the one the Movement got kicked out of after the Catholics got wind of the siddhis. Hee heee! But it was nice while it lasted. Enjoyed the residence courses MUCH more than I ever did any of the WPA's I did later after getting the siddhis. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades Ah, flashbacks to when TM was actually fun. I used to teach a lot of residence courses, back in Toronto and all over the West Coast of the US, and before the TMO turned into the Reichstag and tried to turn residence courses into concentration camps. It really *was* nice arranging for good food, comfortable facilities, a *few* audio or video tapes, and then a number of prepared advanced lectures and discussions, plus plenty of time to enjoy the solitude, take walks and enjoy what a "retreat" is really supposed to be all about. Then the assholes in Seelisberg started trying to impose their Fascist ideas on everyone, and started creating "rules and regulations" that teachers of these courses were required to follow. A "buddy system" so that no one was ever allowed to be alone unless they were in their rooms meditating. Yeah, THAT's a sane idea for someone who has paid money for a retreat to allow them to get away and experience what it's like to be alone with themselves for a weekend. Next the participants weren't allowed to leave the facilities. They couldn't go into town, or drive a car, or go out for a dessert, even if the restaurant was across the street. Finally, the schedules for these courses began to be "padded out" so that the participants were not allowed even a moment of free time. Every moment was accounted for -- they had to either be eating, meditating and "doing program," or on an official Walk And Talk while in the company of their buddy, or sitting in a room watching a videotape of Maharishi trying to sell them something. No *wonder* these guys are still in business and still attracting students to attend their retreats. They understood why people liked them in the first place. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hey Sal, you ever do any rounding in this joint? Nope, I never met any of the teachers there either. They were leaving just as I started working for HQ. In fact I was on the conference call when they started complaining about Marshy's new pricing scheme, it was my first glimpse of collective coherence or "field independence" as the case may be ;-) Nice building though, I know TMers who go on courses there (shock, horror. They only tell me about it under dire injunction
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On 10/26/2014 7:07 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The new "rules and regs" began to be imposed upon American TM teachers in the mid-70s. That's the point at which TM residence courses began to be so structured as to leave no free time and from which as a participant you could actually be "sent home" for non-compliance. > /Face it - you just don't have the spiritual discipline to benefit from a mediation retreat, obviously - you don't seem to even be able to keep up a basic TM meditation program for 2 x 20. ///Go figure./ So, I wonder what would happen to Barry if on a Zen meditation retreat he ran across the street to get a beer at the bar? In a Bikram yoga course, lot's of people probably run across the street to get a cold ice cream cone, but only after they do all the yoga postures for an hour or two. //It's not complicated./ > *From:* "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" *To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 12:54 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades Wait a minute!! You mean the course structure you are describing was NOT the way it was done in the early days!?!?! I started TM in 1974 and the structure you describe is exactly the way all of the residence courses were done that I ever took. I must say however that I enjoyed every single one of them except for one I did on John's Island (off the coast of South Carolina) a Catholic retreat center called the St. Christopher's Conference Center and I didn't enjoy it because it was taught by that goddamn Gene Spiegel, a transplanted Yankee who was in charge of what was then the Area Capitol of Atlanta. Talk about an abrasive, arrogant abusive son of a bitch. He is the reason my mother and step father quit doing TM. Other than that I enjoyed all my residence courses, especially the ones at St. Ignatius House outside of Atlanta. That is the one the Movement got kicked out of after the Catholics got wind of the siddhis. Hee heee! But it was nice while it lasted. Enjoyed the residence courses MUCH more than I ever did any of the WPA's I did later after getting the siddhis. *From:* "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" *To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:21 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades Ah, flashbacks to when TM was actually fun. I used to teach a lot of residence courses, back in Toronto and all over the West Coast of the US, and before the TMO turned into the Reichstag and tried to turn residence courses into concentration camps. It really *was* nice arranging for good food, comfortable facilities, a *few* audio or video tapes, and then a number of prepared advanced lectures and discussions, plus plenty of time to enjoy the solitude, take walks and enjoy what a "retreat" is really supposed to be all about. Then the assholes in Seelisberg started trying to impose their Fascist ideas on everyone, and started creating "rules and regulations" that teachers of these courses were required to follow. A "buddy system" so that no one was ever allowed to be alone unless they were in their rooms meditating. Yeah, THAT's a sane idea for someone who has paid money for a retreat to allow them to get away and experience what it's like to be alone with themselves for a weekend. Next the participants weren't allowed to leave the facilities. They couldn't go into town, or drive a car, or go out for a dessert, even if the restaurant was across the street. Finally, the schedules for these courses began to be "padded out" so that the participants were not allowed even a moment of free time. Every moment was accounted for -- they had to either be eating, meditating and "doing program," or on an official Walk And Talk while in the company of their buddy, or sitting in a room watching a videotape of Maharishi trying to sell them something. No *wonder* these guys are still in business and still attracting students to attend their retreats. They understood why people liked them in the first place. ---------------- *From:* salyavin808 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:35 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hey Sal, you ever do any rounding in this joint? Nope, I never met any of the teachers there either. They were leaving just as I started working for HQ. In fact I was on the conference call when they started complaining about Marshy'
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Then the assholes in Seelisberg started trying to impose their Fascist ideas on everyone > On 10/26/2014 6:54 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Wait a minute!! You mean the course structure you are describing was NOT the way it was done in the early days!?!?! > /You are not even making any sense. So, you're saying the residence courses you attended in 1974 in the U.S. were NOT as described by Barry in Europe? I just can't imagine being on a residence course and not being allowed ///by Gene Spiegel /to run across the street for a drink - no wonder your step father got upset and quit. Go figure./ > I started TM in 1974 and the structure you describe is exactly the way all of the residence courses were done that I ever took. I must say however that I enjoyed every single one of them except for one I did on John's Island (off the coast of South Carolina) a Catholic retreat center called the St. Christopher's Conference Center and I didn't enjoy it because it was taught by that goddamn Gene Spiegel, a transplanted Yankee who was in charge of what was then the Area Capitol of Atlanta. Talk about an abrasive, arrogant abusive son of a bitch. He is the reason my mother and step father quit doing TM. Other than that I enjoyed all my residence courses, especially the ones at St. Ignatius House outside of Atlanta. That is the one the Movement got kicked out of after the Catholics got wind of the siddhis. Hee heee! But it was nice while it lasted. Enjoyed the residence courses MUCH more than I ever did any of the WPA's I did later after getting the siddhis. *From:* "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" *To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:21 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades Ah, flashbacks to when TM was actually fun. I used to teach a lot of residence courses, back in Toronto and all over the West Coast of the US, and before the TMO turned into the Reichstag and tried to turn residence courses into concentration camps. It really *was* nice arranging for good food, comfortable facilities, a *few* audio or video tapes, and then a number of prepared advanced lectures and discussions, plus plenty of time to enjoy the solitude, take walks and enjoy what a "retreat" is really supposed to be all about. Then the assholes in Seelisberg started trying to impose their Fascist ideas on everyone, and started creating "rules and regulations" that teachers of these courses were required to follow. A "buddy system" so that no one was ever allowed to be alone unless they were in their rooms meditating. Yeah, THAT's a sane idea for someone who has paid money for a retreat to allow them to get away and experience what it's like to be alone with themselves for a weekend. Next the participants weren't allowed to leave the facilities. They couldn't go into town, or drive a car, or go out for a dessert, even if the restaurant was across the street. Finally, the schedules for these courses began to be "padded out" so that the participants were not allowed even a moment of free time. Every moment was accounted for -- they had to either be eating, meditating and "doing program," or on an official Walk And Talk while in the company of their buddy, or sitting in a room watching a videotape of Maharishi trying to sell them something. No *wonder* these guys are still in business and still attracting students to attend their retreats. They understood why people liked them in the first place. -------- *From:* salyavin808 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:35 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hey Sal, you ever do any rounding in this joint? Nope, I never met any of the teachers there either. They were leaving just as I started working for HQ. In fact I was on the conference call when they started complaining about Marshy's new pricing scheme, it was my first glimpse of collective coherence or "field independence" as the case may be ;-) Nice building though, I know TMers who go on courses there (shock, horror. They only tell me about it under dire injunctions of silence) and who enjoy the non-movementness of it all. This is what TM is all about for me, weekends in stately homes with good food and company and no Bevan Morris and John Hagelin in sight, cosy and fun and not too religious - that's how it should have stayed. The MT are cheap though and they are successful, maybe those things are coincident but they don't have anything (or anyone) to put you off, the last offi
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On 10/26/2014 6:41 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > Do the MT'ers push the meditators to become siddhas like the regular TM'ers do? > Non sequitur. It has already been established that the Rama cult members were pushed to become "siddhas". On hundreds of occasions Rama used to demonstrate siddhi accomplishments to his students, but only one or two bought into the scam and neither, according to Barry, ever managed to levitate, or even sit still during a meditation retreat, despite donating thousands of dollars to Lenz. Go figure. /"The person levitating or flying through the air was a guy named Frederick Lenz, who also called himself Rama. He taught a hodge-podge of things from different traditions, but the majority of them were Buddhist. He didn't teach how to do this stuff directly; he just did it. As far as I know, none of his students ever developed the knack."/ - TurquiseB http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143231 > *From:* salyavin808 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 3:35 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hey Sal, you ever do any rounding in this joint? Nope, I never met any of the teachers there either. They were leaving just as I started working for HQ. In fact I was on the conference call when they started complaining about Marshy's new pricing scheme, it was my first glimpse of collective coherence or "field independence" as the case may be ;-) Nice building though, I know TMers who go on courses there (shock, horror. They only tell me about it under dire injunctions of silence) and who enjoy the non-movementness of it all. This is what TM is all about for me, weekends in stately homes with good food and company and no Bevan Morris and John Hagelin in sight, cosy and fun and not too religious - that's how it should have stayed. The MT are cheap though and they are successful, maybe those things are coincident but they don't have anything (or anyone) to put you off, the last official introduction tape I saw was appalling. It had the usual mood-making bliss bunnies in suits going on and on about vedic "science" and sthapatya veda even! It put me off and I'd been doing it 15 years at the time, can't imagine what newbies thought about it. http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ image <http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/> Learn Transcendental Meditation on Retreat <http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/> Learn Transcendental Meditation on Retreat with the Meditation Trust, experienced teachers of meditation, at our tranquil countryside retreat near London View on www.meditationtrust.com <http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/> Preview by Yahoo
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On 10/26/2014 5:21 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > It really *was* nice arranging for good food, comfortable facilities, a *few* audio or video tapes, and then a number of prepared advanced lectures and discussions, plus plenty of time to enjoy the solitude, take walks and enjoy what a "retreat" is really supposed to be all about. > /You would last about ten minutes on a meditation retreat with a Zen master or a Tibetan Lama - maybe five minutes at a Bikram yoga studio.//After paying big bucks to attend a TM retreat in Europe, you just had to walk across the street to buy an ice cream sandwich! You could have saved yourself a lot of money and time by just sleeping and dozing in your apartment above the ice cream shop. Go figure./ > Then the assholes in Seelisberg started trying to impose their Fascist ideas on everyone, and started creating "rules and regulations" that teachers of these courses were required to follow. A "buddy system" so that no one was ever allowed to be alone unless they were in their rooms meditating. Yeah, THAT's a sane idea for someone who has paid money for a retreat to allow them to get away and experience what it's like to be alone with themselves for a weekend. Next the participants weren't allowed to leave the facilities. They couldn't go into town, or drive a car, or go out for a dessert, even if the restaurant was across the street. Finally, the schedules for these courses began to be "padded out" so that the participants were not allowed even a moment of free time. Every moment was accounted for -- they had to either be eating, meditating and "doing program," or on an official Walk And Talk while in the company of their buddy, or sitting in a room watching a videotape of Maharishi trying to sell them something.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades
On 10/26/2014 5:21 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Ah, flashbacks to when TM was actually fun. I used to teach a lot of residence courses, back in Toronto and all over the West Coast of the US, and before the TMO turned into the Reichstag and tried to turn residence courses into concentration camps. > /That would be about the time the Europeans took over the TMO, right? Apparently Nancy and Jerry weren't very impressed with how courses were run over there back then. Go figure. All the U.S. residence courses we took were pretty simple and fun and low cost - an ideal opportunity to practice TM and rounding. When we took our first residence course at the Berkley Center with Jerry we were already practicing MMY's advanced yoga asanas course. In contrast, the Zen session we attended at the Tassajara Zen Mountain Retreat was very rigorous and very disciplined and very challenging. We once took a Bikram yoga course in San Francisco. All the Bikram yoga courses consist of 26 different postures and 2 breathing techniques, practiced for 90 minutes in a room heated to 40 degrees centigrade (104) with a humidity of at least 40%.//And, then we meditated./ > It really *was* nice arranging for good food, comfortable facilities, a *few* audio or video tapes, and then a number of prepared advanced lectures and discussions, plus plenty of time to enjoy the solitude, take walks and enjoy what a "retreat" is really supposed to be all about. Then the assholes in Seelisberg started trying to impose their Fascist ideas on everyone, and started creating "rules and regulations" that teachers of these courses were required to follow. A "buddy system" so that no one was ever allowed to be alone unless they were in their rooms meditating. Yeah, THAT's a sane idea for someone who has paid money for a retreat to allow them to get away and experience what it's like to be alone with themselves for a weekend. Next the participants weren't allowed to leave the facilities. They couldn't go into town, or drive a car, or go out for a dessert, even if the restaurant was across the street. Finally, the schedules for these courses began to be "padded out" so that the participants were not allowed even a moment of free time. Every moment was accounted for -- they had to either be eating, meditating and "doing program," or on an official Walk And Talk while in the company of their buddy, or sitting in a room watching a videotape of Maharishi trying to sell them something. No *wonder* these guys are still in business and still attracting students to attend their retreats. They understood why people liked them in the first place. *From:* salyavin808 *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:35 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hey Sal, you ever do any rounding in this joint? Nope, I never met any of the teachers there either. They were leaving just as I started working for HQ. In fact I was on the conference call when they started complaining about Marshy's new pricing scheme, it was my first glimpse of collective coherence or "field independence" as the case may be ;-) Nice building though, I know TMers who go on courses there (shock, horror. They only tell me about it under dire injunctions of silence) and who enjoy the non-movementness of it all. This is what TM is all about for me, weekends in stately homes with good food and company and no Bevan Morris and John Hagelin in sight, cosy and fun and not too religious - that's how it should have stayed. The MT are cheap though and they are successful, maybe those things are coincident but they don't have anything (or anyone) to put you off, the last official introduction tape I saw was appalling. It had the usual mood-making bliss bunnies in suits going on and on about vedic "science" and sthapatya veda even! It put me off and I'd been doing it 15 years at the time, can't imagine what newbies thought about it. http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ image <http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/> Learn Transcendental Meditation on Retreat <http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/> Learn Transcendental Meditation on Retreat with the Meditation Trust, experienced teachers of meditation, at our tranquil countryside retreat near London View on www.meditationtrust.com <http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/> Preview by Yahoo
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Oh, yea, maybe throw in some offerings from TV, or the big screen. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Strange, your version of the ideal residence course, Barry, involves driving, going to restaurants, maybe having a beer, possibly getting high? Hey, whatever floats your boat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The new "rules and regs" began to be imposed upon American TM teachers in the mid-70s. That's the point at which TM residence courses began to be so structured as to leave no free time and from which as a participant you could actually be "sent home" for non-compliance. From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades Wait a minute!! You mean the course structure you are describing was NOT the way it was done in the early days!?!?! I started TM in 1974 and the structure you describe is exactly the way all of the residence courses were done that I ever took. I must say however that I enjoyed every single one of them except for one I did on John's Island (off the coast of South Carolina) a Catholic retreat center called the St. Christopher's Conference Center and I didn't enjoy it because it was taught by that goddamn Gene Spiegel, a transplanted Yankee who was in charge of what was then the Area Capitol of Atlanta. Talk about an abrasive, arrogant abusive son of a bitch. He is the reason my mother and step father quit doing TM. Other than that I enjoyed all my residence courses, especially the ones at St. Ignatius House outside of Atlanta. That is the one the Movement got kicked out of after the Catholics got wind of the siddhis. Hee heee! But it was nice while it lasted. Enjoyed the residence courses MUCH more than I ever did any of the WPA's I did later after getting the siddhis. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades Ah, flashbacks to when TM was actually fun. I used to teach a lot of residence courses, back in Toronto and all over the West Coast of the US, and before the TMO turned into the Reichstag and tried to turn residence courses into concentration camps. It really *was* nice arranging for good food, comfortable facilities, a *few* audio or video tapes, and then a number of prepared advanced lectures and discussions, plus plenty of time to enjoy the solitude, take walks and enjoy what a "retreat" is really supposed to be all about. Then the assholes in Seelisberg started trying to impose their Fascist ideas on everyone, and started creating "rules and regulations" that teachers of these courses were required to follow. A "buddy system" so that no one was ever allowed to be alone unless they were in their rooms meditating. Yeah, THAT's a sane idea for someone who has paid money for a retreat to allow them to get away and experience what it's like to be alone with themselves for a weekend. Next the participants weren't allowed to leave the facilities. They couldn't go into town, or drive a car, or go out for a dessert, even if the restaurant was across the street. Finally, the schedules for these courses began to be "padded out" so that the participants were not allowed even a moment of free time. Every moment was accounted for -- they had to either be eating, meditating and "doing program," or on an official Walk And Talk while in the company of their buddy, or sitting in a room watching a videotape of Maharishi trying to sell them something. No *wonder* these guys are still in business and still attracting students to attend their retreats. They understood why people liked them in the first place. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hey Sal, you ever do any rounding in this joint? Nope, I never met any of the teachers there either. They were leaving just as I started working for HQ. In fact I was on the conference call when they started complaining about Marshy's new pricing scheme, it was my first glimpse of collective coherence or "field independence" as the case may be ;-) Nice building though, I know TMers who go on courses there (shock, horror. They only tell me about it under dire injunctions of silence) and who enjoy the non-movementness of it all. This is what TM is all about for me, weekends in stately homes with good food and company and no Bevan Morris and John Hagelin in sight, cosy and
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Strange, your version of the ideal residence course, Barry, involves driving, going to restaurants, maybe having a beer, possibly getting high? Hey, whatever floats your boat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The new "rules and regs" began to be imposed upon American TM teachers in the mid-70s. That's the point at which TM residence courses began to be so structured as to leave no free time and from which as a participant you could actually be "sent home" for non-compliance. From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades Wait a minute!! You mean the course structure you are describing was NOT the way it was done in the early days!?!?! I started TM in 1974 and the structure you describe is exactly the way all of the residence courses were done that I ever took. I must say however that I enjoyed every single one of them except for one I did on John's Island (off the coast of South Carolina) a Catholic retreat center called the St. Christopher's Conference Center and I didn't enjoy it because it was taught by that goddamn Gene Spiegel, a transplanted Yankee who was in charge of what was then the Area Capitol of Atlanta. Talk about an abrasive, arrogant abusive son of a bitch. He is the reason my mother and step father quit doing TM. Other than that I enjoyed all my residence courses, especially the ones at St. Ignatius House outside of Atlanta. That is the one the Movement got kicked out of after the Catholics got wind of the siddhis. Hee heee! But it was nice while it lasted. Enjoyed the residence courses MUCH more than I ever did any of the WPA's I did later after getting the siddhis. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades Ah, flashbacks to when TM was actually fun. I used to teach a lot of residence courses, back in Toronto and all over the West Coast of the US, and before the TMO turned into the Reichstag and tried to turn residence courses into concentration camps. It really *was* nice arranging for good food, comfortable facilities, a *few* audio or video tapes, and then a number of prepared advanced lectures and discussions, plus plenty of time to enjoy the solitude, take walks and enjoy what a "retreat" is really supposed to be all about. Then the assholes in Seelisberg started trying to impose their Fascist ideas on everyone, and started creating "rules and regulations" that teachers of these courses were required to follow. A "buddy system" so that no one was ever allowed to be alone unless they were in their rooms meditating. Yeah, THAT's a sane idea for someone who has paid money for a retreat to allow them to get away and experience what it's like to be alone with themselves for a weekend. Next the participants weren't allowed to leave the facilities. They couldn't go into town, or drive a car, or go out for a dessert, even if the restaurant was across the street. Finally, the schedules for these courses began to be "padded out" so that the participants were not allowed even a moment of free time. Every moment was accounted for -- they had to either be eating, meditating and "doing program," or on an official Walk And Talk while in the company of their buddy, or sitting in a room watching a videotape of Maharishi trying to sell them something. No *wonder* these guys are still in business and still attracting students to attend their retreats. They understood why people liked them in the first place. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hey Sal, you ever do any rounding in this joint? Nope, I never met any of the teachers there either. They were leaving just as I started working for HQ. In fact I was on the conference call when they started complaining about Marshy's new pricing scheme, it was my first glimpse of collective coherence or "field independence" as the case may be ;-) Nice building though, I know TMers who go on courses there (shock, horror. They only tell me about it under dire injunctions of silence) and who enjoy the non-movementness of it all. This is what TM is all about for me, weekends in stately homes with good food and company and no Bevan Morris and John Hagelin in sight, cosy and fun and not too religious - that's how it should have stayed. The MT are cheap though and they are successf
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Do the MT'ers push the meditators to become siddhas like the regular TM'ers do? I've no idea if they "push" but they do teach it all. I hope that the laws of physics do turn out to be optional and the first bona-fide floater comes from their ranks, be priceless to hear how the "rajas" account for that! From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 3:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hey Sal, you ever do any rounding in this joint? Nope, I never met any of the teachers there either. They were leaving just as I started working for HQ. In fact I was on the conference call when they started complaining about Marshy's new pricing scheme, it was my first glimpse of collective coherence or "field independence" as the case may be ;-) Nice building though, I know TMers who go on courses there (shock, horror. They only tell me about it under dire injunctions of silence) and who enjoy the non-movementness of it all. This is what TM is all about for me, weekends in stately homes with good food and company and no Bevan Morris and John Hagelin in sight, cosy and fun and not too religious - that's how it should have stayed. The MT are cheap though and they are successful, maybe those things are coincident but they don't have anything (or anyone) to put you off, the last official introduction tape I saw was appalling. It had the usual mood-making bliss bunnies in suits going on and on about vedic "science" and sthapatya veda even! It put me off and I'd been doing it 15 years at the time, can't imagine what newbies thought about it. http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ Learn Transcendental Meditation on Retreat http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ Learn Transcendental Meditation on Retreat with the Meditation Trust, experienced teachers of meditation, at our tranquil countryside retreat near London View on www.meditationtrust.com http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ Preview by Yahoo
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ah, flashbacks to when TM was actually fun. I used to teach a lot of residence courses, back in Toronto and all over the West Coast of the US, and before the TMO turned into the Reichstag and tried to turn residence courses into concentration camps. It really *was* nice arranging for good food, comfortable facilities, a *few* audio or video tapes, and then a number of prepared advanced lectures and discussions, plus plenty of time to enjoy the solitude, take walks and enjoy what a "retreat" is really supposed to be all about. Then the assholes in Seelisberg started trying to impose their Fascist ideas on everyone, and started creating "rules and regulations" that teachers of these courses were required to follow. A "buddy system" so that no one was ever allowed to be alone unless they were in their rooms meditating. Yeah, THAT's a sane idea for someone who has paid money for a retreat to allow them to get away and experience what it's like to be alone with themselves for a weekend. Next the participants weren't allowed to leave the facilities. They couldn't go into town, or drive a car, or go out for a dessert, even if the restaurant was across the street. Finally, the schedules for these courses began to be "padded out" so that the participants were not allowed even a moment of free time. Every moment was accounted for -- they had to either be eating, meditating and "doing program," or on an official Walk And Talk while in the company of their buddy, or sitting in a room watching a videotape of Maharishi trying to sell them something. No *wonder* these guys are still in business and still attracting students to attend their retreats. They understood why people liked them in the first place. This is it, TM for me was all about open fires in oak panelled drawing rooms and dozing off to a lecture about higher states of consciousness when I'd dream about the fine meal we'd get in the candlelit dining hall. Those were the days, I didn't know who Bevan Morris was back then and our exposure to Hagelin was in the form of his contrived lectures on levitation and physics. It isn't like that now, last time I attended any official function it was all straight backed chairs and lectures taped from the Marshy channel. God it was awful, no way you could pretend the "knowledge" didn't matter and you could be there for the food and company... But I always did like the fact we weren't allowed into town, that sense of apartness made the relaxation seem more profound when I got out, except I had to get a train to London which was always a shock. These MTers know what people like, they get loads of people on courses whereas the TMO haven't had an academy for at least ten years. There's only the dome in Skem and there are plenty who won't travel that far, and don't like the area when they get there. It's a good lesson in making sure you've got what the crowd wants rather than assuming they'll want what you offer. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hey Sal, you ever do any rounding in this joint? Nope, I never met any of the teachers there either. They were leaving just as I started working for HQ. In fact I was on the conference call when they started complaining about Marshy's new pricing scheme, it was my first glimpse of collective coherence or "field independence" as the case may be ;-) Nice building though, I know TMers who go on courses there (shock, horror. They only tell me about it under dire injunctions of silence) and who enjoy the non-movementness of it all. This is what TM is all about for me, weekends in stately homes with good food and company and no Bevan Morris and John Hagelin in sight, cosy and fun and not too religious - that's how it should have stayed. The MT are cheap though and they are successful, maybe those things are coincident but they don't have anything (or anyone) to put you off, the last official introduction tape I saw was appalling. It had the usual mood-making bliss bunnies in suits going on and on about vedic "science" and sthapatya veda even! It put me off and I'd been doing it 15 years at the time, can't imagine what newbies thought about it. http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ Learn Transcendental Meditation on Retreat http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ Le
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The new "rules and regs" began to be imposed upon American TM teachers in the mid-70s. That's the point at which TM residence courses began to be so structured as to leave no free time and from which as a participant you could actually be "sent home" for non-compliance. From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades Wait a minute!! You mean the course structure you are describing was NOT the way it was done in the early days!?!?! I started TM in 1974 and the structure you describe is exactly the way all of the residence courses were done that I ever took. I must say however that I enjoyed every single one of them except for one I did on John's Island (off the coast of South Carolina) a Catholic retreat center called the St. Christopher's Conference Center and I didn't enjoy it because it was taught by that goddamn Gene Spiegel, a transplanted Yankee who was in charge of what was then the Area Capitol of Atlanta. Talk about an abrasive, arrogant abusive son of a bitch. He is the reason my mother and step father quit doing TM. Other than that I enjoyed all my residence courses, especially the ones at St. Ignatius House outside of Atlanta. That is the one the Movement got kicked out of after the Catholics got wind of the siddhis. Hee heee! But it was nice while it lasted. Enjoyed the residence courses MUCH more than I ever did any of the WPA's I did later after getting the siddhis. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades Ah, flashbacks to when TM was actually fun. I used to teach a lot of residence courses, back in Toronto and all over the West Coast of the US, and before the TMO turned into the Reichstag and tried to turn residence courses into concentration camps. It really *was* nice arranging for good food, comfortable facilities, a *few* audio or video tapes, and then a number of prepared advanced lectures and discussions, plus plenty of time to enjoy the solitude, take walks and enjoy what a "retreat" is really supposed to be all about. Then the assholes in Seelisberg started trying to impose their Fascist ideas on everyone, and started creating "rules and regulations" that teachers of these courses were required to follow. A "buddy system" so that no one was ever allowed to be alone unless they were in their rooms meditating. Yeah, THAT's a sane idea for someone who has paid money for a retreat to allow them to get away and experience what it's like to be alone with themselves for a weekend. Next the participants weren't allowed to leave the facilities. They couldn't go into town, or drive a car, or go out for a dessert, even if the restaurant was across the street. Finally, the schedules for these courses began to be "padded out" so that the participants were not allowed even a moment of free time. Every moment was accounted for -- they had to either be eating, meditating and "doing program," or on an official Walk And Talk while in the company of their buddy, or sitting in a room watching a videotape of Maharishi trying to sell them something. No *wonder* these guys are still in business and still attracting students to attend their retreats. They understood why people liked them in the first place. ________ From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hey Sal, you ever do any rounding in this joint? Nope, I never met any of the teachers there either. They were leaving just as I started working for HQ. In fact I was on the conference call when they started complaining about Marshy's new pricing scheme, it was my first glimpse of collective coherence or "field independence" as the case may be ;-) Nice building though, I know TMers who go on courses there (shock, horror. They only tell me about it under dire injunctions of silence) and who enjoy the non-movementness of it all. This is what TM is all about for me, weekends in stately homes with good food and company and no Bevan Morris and John Hagelin in sight, cosy and fun and not too religious - that's how it should have stayed. The MT are cheap though and they are successful, maybe those things are coincident but they don't have anything (or anyone) to put you off, the last official introduction tape I saw was appalling. It had the usu
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Wait a minute!! You mean the course structure you are describing was NOT the way it was done in the early days!?!?! I started TM in 1974 and the structure you describe is exactly the way all of the residence courses were done that I ever took. I must say however that I enjoyed every single one of them except for one I did on John's Island (off the coast of South Carolina) a Catholic retreat center called the St. Christopher's Conference Center and I didn't enjoy it because it was taught by that goddamn Gene Spiegel, a transplanted Yankee who was in charge of what was then the Area Capitol of Atlanta. Talk about an abrasive, arrogant abusive son of a bitch. He is the reason my mother and step father quit doing TM. Other than that I enjoyed all my residence courses, especially the ones at St. Ignatius House outside of Atlanta. That is the one the Movement got kicked out of after the Catholics got wind of the siddhis. Hee heee! But it was nice while it lasted. Enjoyed the residence courses MUCH more than I ever did any of the WPA's I did later after getting the siddhis. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 6:21 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades Ah, flashbacks to when TM was actually fun. I used to teach a lot of residence courses, back in Toronto and all over the West Coast of the US, and before the TMO turned into the Reichstag and tried to turn residence courses into concentration camps. It really *was* nice arranging for good food, comfortable facilities, a *few* audio or video tapes, and then a number of prepared advanced lectures and discussions, plus plenty of time to enjoy the solitude, take walks and enjoy what a "retreat" is really supposed to be all about. Then the assholes in Seelisberg started trying to impose their Fascist ideas on everyone, and started creating "rules and regulations" that teachers of these courses were required to follow. A "buddy system" so that no one was ever allowed to be alone unless they were in their rooms meditating. Yeah, THAT's a sane idea for someone who has paid money for a retreat to allow them to get away and experience what it's like to be alone with themselves for a weekend. Next the participants weren't allowed to leave the facilities. They couldn't go into town, or drive a car, or go out for a dessert, even if the restaurant was across the street. Finally, the schedules for these courses began to be "padded out" so that the participants were not allowed even a moment of free time. Every moment was accounted for -- they had to either be eating, meditating and "doing program," or on an official Walk And Talk while in the company of their buddy, or sitting in a room watching a videotape of Maharishi trying to sell them something. No *wonder* these guys are still in business and still attracting students to attend their retreats. They understood why people liked them in the first place. ____ From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hey Sal, you ever do any rounding in this joint? Nope, I never met any of the teachers there either. They were leaving just as I started working for HQ. In fact I was on the conference call when they started complaining about Marshy's new pricing scheme, it was my first glimpse of collective coherence or "field independence" as the case may be ;-) Nice building though, I know TMers who go on courses there (shock, horror. They only tell me about it under dire injunctions of silence) and who enjoy the non-movementness of it all. This is what TM is all about for me, weekends in stately homes with good food and company and no Bevan Morris and John Hagelin in sight, cosy and fun and not too religious - that's how it should have stayed. The MT are cheap though and they are successful, maybe those things are coincident but they don't have anything (or anyone) to put you off, the last official introduction tape I saw was appalling. It had the usual mood-making bliss bunnies in suits going on and on about vedic "science" and sthapatya veda even! It put me off and I'd been doing it 15 years at the time, can't imagine what newbies thought about it. http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ Learn Transcendental Meditation on Retreat Learn Transcendental Meditation on Retreat with the Meditation Trust, experienced teachers of meditation, at our tranquil countryside retreat near London View on www.meditationtrust.com Preview by Yahoo
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Do the MT'ers push the meditators to become siddhas like the regular TM'ers do? From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 3:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hey Sal, you ever do any rounding in this joint? Nope, I never met any of the teachers there either. They were leaving just as I started working for HQ. In fact I was on the conference call when they started complaining about Marshy's new pricing scheme, it was my first glimpse of collective coherence or "field independence" as the case may be ;-) Nice building though, I know TMers who go on courses there (shock, horror. They only tell me about it under dire injunctions of silence) and who enjoy the non-movementness of it all. This is what TM is all about for me, weekends in stately homes with good food and company and no Bevan Morris and John Hagelin in sight, cosy and fun and not too religious - that's how it should have stayed. The MT are cheap though and they are successful, maybe those things are coincident but they don't have anything (or anyone) to put you off, the last official introduction tape I saw was appalling. It had the usual mood-making bliss bunnies in suits going on and on about vedic "science" and sthapatya veda even! It put me off and I'd been doing it 15 years at the time, can't imagine what newbies thought about it. http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ Learn Transcendental Meditation on Retreat Learn Transcendental Meditation on Retreat with the Meditation Trust, experienced teachers of meditation, at our tranquil countryside retreat near London View on www.meditationtrust.com Preview by Yahoo
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Ah, flashbacks to when TM was actually fun. I used to teach a lot of residence courses, back in Toronto and all over the West Coast of the US, and before the TMO turned into the Reichstag and tried to turn residence courses into concentration camps. It really *was* nice arranging for good food, comfortable facilities, a *few* audio or video tapes, and then a number of prepared advanced lectures and discussions, plus plenty of time to enjoy the solitude, take walks and enjoy what a "retreat" is really supposed to be all about. Then the assholes in Seelisberg started trying to impose their Fascist ideas on everyone, and started creating "rules and regulations" that teachers of these courses were required to follow. A "buddy system" so that no one was ever allowed to be alone unless they were in their rooms meditating. Yeah, THAT's a sane idea for someone who has paid money for a retreat to allow them to get away and experience what it's like to be alone with themselves for a weekend. Next the participants weren't allowed to leave the facilities. They couldn't go into town, or drive a car, or go out for a dessert, even if the restaurant was across the street. Finally, the schedules for these courses began to be "padded out" so that the participants were not allowed even a moment of free time. Every moment was accounted for -- they had to either be eating, meditating and "doing program," or on an official Walk And Talk while in the company of their buddy, or sitting in a room watching a videotape of Maharishi trying to sell them something. No *wonder* these guys are still in business and still attracting students to attend their retreats. They understood why people liked them in the first place. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Scorpion Renegades ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hey Sal, you ever do any rounding in this joint? Nope, I never met any of the teachers there either. They were leaving just as I started working for HQ. In fact I was on the conference call when they started complaining about Marshy's new pricing scheme, it was my first glimpse of collective coherence or "field independence" as the case may be ;-) Nice building though, I know TMers who go on courses there (shock, horror. They only tell me about it under dire injunctions of silence) and who enjoy the non-movementness of it all. This is what TM is all about for me, weekends in stately homes with good food and company and no Bevan Morris and John Hagelin in sight, cosy and fun and not too religious - that's how it should have stayed. The MT are cheap though and they are successful, maybe those things are coincident but they don't have anything (or anyone) to put you off, the last official introduction tape I saw was appalling. It had the usual mood-making bliss bunnies in suits going on and on about vedic "science" and sthapatya veda even! It put me off and I'd been doing it 15 years at the time, can't imagine what newbies thought about it. http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ Learn Transcendental Meditation on Retreat Learn Transcendental Meditation on Retreat with the Meditation Trust, experienced teachers of meditation, at our tranquil countryside retreat near London View on www.meditationtrust.com Preview by Yahoo
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hey Sal, you ever do any rounding in this joint? Nope, I never met any of the teachers there either. They were leaving just as I started working for HQ. In fact I was on the conference call when they started complaining about Marshy's new pricing scheme, it was my first glimpse of collective coherence or "field independence" as the case may be ;-) Nice building though, I know TMers who go on courses there (shock, horror. They only tell me about it under dire injunctions of silence) and who enjoy the non-movementness of it all. This is what TM is all about for me, weekends in stately homes with good food and company and no Bevan Morris and John Hagelin in sight, cosy and fun and not too religious - that's how it should have stayed. The MT are cheap though and they are successful, maybe those things are coincident but they don't have anything (or anyone) to put you off, the last official introduction tape I saw was appalling. It had the usual mood-making bliss bunnies in suits going on and on about vedic "science" and sthapatya veda even! It put me off and I'd been doing it 15 years at the time, can't imagine what newbies thought about it. http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ Learn Transcendental Meditation on Retreat http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ Learn Transcendental Meditation on Retreat with the Meditation Trust, experienced teachers of meditation, at our tranquil countryside retreat near London View on www.meditationtrust.com http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ Preview by Yahoo
