[FairfieldLife] Re: The Gospel of Citeless SA Statements
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 12:29 PM, new.morning wrote: I deleted this post a few minutes after sending it, seeing that Spraig did respond with a link of cites (a bit of a shotgun) some of wich possibly support the SA articles point. Possibly. TB's are great at posting such BS, I'd be very careful. A common pattern really among many fundamentalists: dazzle with the BS. The articles had nothing to do with TMO research, it was a list of the life time publised research of Bolkman (sp) of UCSD. I am wading through the viable article(s) listed in the link that appear to support the SA point. Appear being the operative word. Why? I was picking titles in the Bolkman research, to further read, that appear related to the SA themes. What is odd about that? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Gospel of Citeless SA Statements
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 12:29 PM, new.morning wrote: I deleted this post a few minutes after sending it, seeing that Spraig did respond with a link of cites (a bit of a shotgun) some of wich possibly support the SA articles point. Possibly. TB's are great at posting such BS, I'd be very careful. A common pattern really among many fundamentalists: dazzle with the BS. Unlike people who claim to beable to self-induce complete brain-death temporarily? I am wading through the viable article(s) listed in the link that appear to support the SA point. Appear being the operative word. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Gospel of Citeless SA Statements
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 2:50 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 12:29 PM, new.morning wrote: I deleted this post a few minutes after sending it, seeing that Spraig did respond with a link of cites (a bit of a shotgun) some of wich possibly support the SA articles point. Possibly. TB's are great at posting such BS, I'd be very careful. A common pattern really among many fundamentalists: dazzle with the BS. The articles had nothing to do with TMO research, it was a list of the life time publised research of Bolkman (sp) of UCSD. I am wading through the viable article(s) listed in the link that appear to support the SA point. Appear being the operative word. Why? I was picking titles in the Bolkman research, to further read, that appear related to the SA themes. What is odd about that? Nevermind, I don't think you got what I was saying. No, I think you did not read the posts that led up to this, or their links, and made a knee-jerk reaction on something not present. Of course, thats just a hypothesis. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Gospel of Citeless SA Statements
On Jul 8, 2006, at 4:20 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 12:29 PM, new.morning wrote: I deleted this post a few minutes after sending it, seeing that Spraig did respond with a link of cites (a bit of a shotgun) some of wich possibly support the SA articles point. Possibly. TB's are great at posting such BS, I'd be very careful. A common pattern really among many fundamentalists: dazzle with the BS. Unlike people who claim to beable to self-induce complete brain-death temporarily? LOL, not that's not a claim. Keep in mind true brain death would also include no cerebral perfusion.Will have to wait to see the results as they become available. As of now there are few clear light meditators in the west to even do much research on this topic (as compared to basic meditation, where there are many subjects). And as you know, most funded research is interested in aimed groups of reproducible practitioners. It will be interesting to see what the future brings, but I'm not holding onto great hope for real large scale studies on this calibre of meditators who are really the 'olympic athletes of meditation'. They're few in number. However, just as a casual comment, I'd expect we'd see something similar to Ken Wilber's neurofeedback experiment, the nirvakalpa samadhi example: flat on alpha, flat on beta and flat on theta, but maxxed out on delta. (With mantra, ishta or yidam practice I'd expect witnessing artifact to be present.) __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Gospel of Citeless SA Statements
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Possibly. TB's are great at posting such BS, I'd be very careful. A common pattern really among many fundamentalists: dazzle with the BS. This and other references to TBers has made me ponder. If Vaj is refering to posters on this list as TBers, as do Barry and some others at times, it appears we have different views of what TBers and TMO fundamentalists are. To me: Ron F is a TBer. (massive poster of a year or so ago) Nablus (sp) has attitudes of a TBer, but way off the program with Creme and all.. The guy of Purusha who just got married and was off to set up a mall store was a TBer (posted a year or so a go, but comes to mind). Bob B has some aspects of a TB, and some quite non-TB qualities. Many of us in the past were evangelistic, fundamentalist, TTBers. Other than those above, I can't recall anyone who posts regularly as a TBer in the real sense of the word -- aka very hard-core. Judy, Spraig, Shemp, etc. do not fit the TB, very hard core profile. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Gospel of Citeless SA Statements
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Possibly. TB's are great at posting such BS, I'd be very careful. A common pattern really among many fundamentalists: dazzle with the BS. This and other references to TBers has made me ponder. If Vaj is refering to posters on this list as TBers, as do Barry and some others at times, it appears we have different views of what TBers and TMO fundamentalists are. To me: Ron F is a TBer. (massive poster of a year or so ago) Nablus (sp) has attitudes of a TBer, but way off the program with Creme and all.. The guy of Purusha who just got married and was off to set up a mall store was a TBer (posted a year or so a go, but comes to mind). Bob B has some aspects of a TB, and some quite non-TB qualities. Many of us in the past were evangelistic, fundamentalist, TTBers. Other than those above, I can't recall anyone who posts regularly as a TBer in the real sense of the word -- aka very hard-core. Judy, Spraig, Shemp, etc. do not fit the TB, very hard core profile. To the TNBs (true non-believers), anyone who ever says anything positive about TM, MMY, or the TMO in response to some crackpottery of their own, or who even challenges the crackpottery on its own terms, is a TB. It's an intimidation tactic and a way of dismissing without consideration whatever points such a person might make, no matter how logical and rational, no matter what other obviously non-TB views he or she may have expressed. It's something the TNBs do in response to a perceived threat to their perspective, in other words. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Gospel of Citeless SA Statements
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 2:50 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 12:29 PM, new.morning wrote: I deleted this post a few minutes after sending it, seeing that Spraig did respond with a link of cites (a bit of a shotgun) some of wich possibly support the SA articles point. Possibly. TB's are great at posting such BS, I'd be very careful. A common pattern really among many fundamentalists: dazzle with the BS. The articles had nothing to do with TMO research, it was a list of the life time publised research of Bolkman (sp) of UCSD. I am wading through the viable article(s) listed in the link that appear to support the SA point. Appear being the operative word. Why? I was picking titles in the Bolkman research, to further read, that appear related to the SA themes. What is odd about that? Nevermind, I don't think you got what I was saying. Turns out that nobody who challenges Vaj ever got what he was saying, according to him. Isn't that interesting? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Gospel of Citeless SA Statements
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Possibly. TB's are great at posting such BS, I'd be very careful. A common pattern really among many fundamentalists: dazzle with the BS. This and other references to TBers has made me ponder. If Vaj is refering to posters on this list as TBers, as do Barry and some others at times, it appears we have different views of what TBers and TMO fundamentalists are. The other thing that's going on here, by the way, is that Vaj is trying rather desperately to justify his earlier suggestion that Lawson attempts to mislead and deceive without having to come up with any actual *examples* of Lawson having done so. Because you had questioned some of Lawson's assertions, Vaj is hoping he can predispose you to conclude that Lawson was being deceptive in giving you the URL with the cites, and thus provide some support for Vaj's earlier nasty swipe at Lawson's integrity. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Gospel of Citeless SA Statements
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 4:20 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 12:29 PM, new.morning wrote: I deleted this post a few minutes after sending it, seeing that Spraig did respond with a link of cites (a bit of a shotgun) some of wich possibly support the SA articles point. Possibly. TB's are great at posting such BS, I'd be very careful. A common pattern really among many fundamentalists: dazzle with the BS. Unlike people who claim to beable to self-induce complete brain- death temporarily? LOL, not that's not a claim. Keep in mind true brain death would also include no cerebral perfusion. Will have to wait to see the results as they become available. As of now there are few clear light meditators in the west to even do much research on this topic (as compared to basic meditation, where there are many subjects). And as you know, most funded research is interested in aimed groups of reproducible practitioners. It will be interesting to see what the future brings, but I'm not holding onto great hope for real large scale studies on this calibre of meditators who are really the 'olympic athletes of meditation'. They're few in number. However, just as a casual comment, I'd expect we'd see something similar to Ken Wilber's neurofeedback experiment, the nirvakalpa samadhi example: flat on alpha, flat on beta and flat on theta, but maxxed out on delta. (With mantra, ishta or yidam practice I'd expect witnessing artifact to be present.) I hadn't noticed the maxed out on delta part. That's not flatline EEG, BTW. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Gospel of Citeless SA Statements
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Possibly. TB's are great at posting such BS, I'd be very careful. A common pattern really among many fundamentalists: dazzle with the BS. This and other references to TBers has made me ponder. If Vaj is refering to posters on this list as TBers, as do Barry and some others at times, it appears we have different views of what TBers and TMO fundamentalists are. To me: Ron F is a TBer. (massive poster of a year or so ago) Nablus (sp) has attitudes of a TBer, but way off the program with Creme and all.. The guy of Purusha who just got married and was off to set up a mall store was a TBer (posted a year or so a go, but comes to mind). Bob B has some aspects of a TB, and some quite non-TB qualities. Many of us in the past were evangelistic, fundamentalist, TTBers. Other than those above, I can't recall anyone who posts regularly as a TBer in the real sense of the word -- aka very hard-core. Judy, Spraig, Shemp, etc. do not fit the TB, very hard core profile. To the TNBs (true non-believers), anyone who ever says anything positive about TM, MMY, or the TMO in response to some crackpottery of their own, or who even challenges the crackpottery on its own terms, is a TB. It's an intimidation tactic and a way of dismissing without consideration whatever points such a person might make, no matter how logical and rational, no matter what other obviously non-TB views he or she may have expressed. It's something the TNBs do in response to a perceived threat to their perspective, in other words. It goes both ways. Look at the frothing-at-the-mouth tirades on the WIkipedia discussion on the TM and Maharishi articles from Peter Klutz whenever Andrew Skolnick posts anything the least bit negative about TM. It's all a massive conspiracy on everyone's part you see... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Gospel of Citeless SA Statements
On Jul 8, 2006, at 8:13 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 4:20 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 12:29 PM, new.morning wrote: I deleted this post a few minutes after sending it, seeing that Spraig did respond with a link of cites (a bit of a shotgun) some of wich possibly support the SA articles point. Possibly. TB's are great at posting such BS, I'd be very careful. A common pattern really among many fundamentalists: dazzle with the BS. Unlike people who claim to beable to self-induce complete brain- death temporarily? LOL, not that's not a claim. Keep in mind true brain death would also include no cerebral perfusion. Will have to wait to see the results as they become available. As of now there are few clear light meditators in the west to even do much research on this topic (as compared to basic meditation, where there are many subjects). And as you know, most funded research is interested in aimed groups of reproducible practitioners. It will be interesting to see what the future brings, but I'm not holding onto great hope for real large scale studies on this calibre of meditators who are really the 'olympic athletes of meditation'. They're few in number. However, just as a casual comment, I'd expect we'd see something similar to Ken Wilber's neurofeedback experiment, the nirvakalpa samadhi example: flat on alpha, flat on beta and flat on theta, but maxxed out on delta. (With mantra, ishta or yidam practice I'd expect witnessing artifact to be present.) I hadn't noticed the "maxed out on delta" part. That's not flatline EEG, BTW. No, only relatively. Somethings gotta keep watch on the shop... :-) __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Religion and spirituality Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
