[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: Living in Europe for the past 7+ years, it is often difficult for me to get the levels of paranoia and fear expressed by Americans in their writings, whether in the media or on forums like this one. Having pursued a

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Living in Europe for the past 7+ years, it is often difficult for me to get the levels of paranoia and fear expressed by Americans in their writings, whether

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On May 7, 2009, at 5:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: It makes no sense to me, even though I have seen it in many different spiritual organizations over the years. In some, there was a calculated cultist appeal to the them vs.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: If modern meditation research is any indication, one of the things that is notable and actually helpful is research which shows random people compared to experienced meditators and then presented with some sort of averse

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip One of the things that made me think about this victim mentality thing was the attempt to demonize the Dalai Lama (Gotta-Hide-This-Gotta-Get-Judy-Post Alert!) (or at the very least portray him as having flawed

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread TurquoiseB
I hate to waste one of my last posts of the week on stating the obvious, but isn't it fascinating that two people here found the *general* victim mentality topic interesting enough to comment on and springboard off of *as* a general topic. They had fun with it. Judy saw in it only herself

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: I hate to waste one of my last posts of the week on stating the obvious, but isn't it fascinating that two people here found the *general* victim mentality topic interesting enough to comment on and springboard off of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread Vaj
On May 7, 2009, at 8:55 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: But it's *limited*, because if your training myths contain only characters who are all good and all bad, there is no way to teach *compassion*, because there is never any need for it. You don't try to understand and feel compassion for one of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread Duveyoung
TurquoiseB wrote: Living in Europe for the past 7+ years, it is often difficult for me to get the levels of paranoia and fear expressed by Americans in their writings, whether in the media or on forums like this one. Glittering generality R Barry. All Americans are besmirched by his broad

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread raunchydog
Edg, Booyah! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Living in Europe for the past 7+ years, it is often difficult for me to get the levels of paranoia and fear expressed by Americans in their writings, whether in the media or on forums

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: snip But I've sometimes seen this in people who are *not* heavily involved in organizations I would describe as cults, or not involved deeply. For example, look at the ongoing fascination on this forum

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread Richard M
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: [snip] Here are some examples of nyam, (taken from various sources, including The Vajra Esssence, a seminal text on the practice) to give you a feel for what Michelle might be going through: [snip] ยท The impression that all

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread Richard M
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: snip But I've sometimes seen this in people who are *not* heavily involved in organizations I would describe as cults, or not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread Vaj
On May 7, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Richard M wrote: Actually I'm not sure that's what G Swan had in mind. Poor Michelle! My heart goes out to her. It makes me so angry. I have long advocated that these cultist, un-regulated meditation groups should be brought to heel to protect the vulnerable from

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread Richard M
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On May 7, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Richard M wrote: Actually I'm not sure that's what G Swan had in mind. Poor Michelle! My heart goes out to her. It makes me so angry. I have long advocated that these cultist, un-regulated

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread Vaj
On May 7, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Richard M wrote: That sounds marvelous of course. Jolly good luck to them. But seriously, who would want to run such courses in today's climate of fear? With everyone suing at the drop of a hat and a blame culture that serves to turn everyone into victims? Look

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread enlightened_dawn11
Edg, i am sure you have a job waiting for you on The Food Channel. i've never seen someone so thoroughly skewer and roast a Turqy before... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Living in Europe for the past 7+ years, it is often difficult

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread enlightened_dawn11
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On May 7, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Richard M wrote: That sounds marvelous of course. Jolly good luck to them. But seriously, who would want to run such courses in today's climate of fear? With everyone suing at the drop of

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread Richard M
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Honestly, the only place I've seen people come away with unresolvable twitching and other Tourrette's like symptoms is with TM. In Muktananda's people, many people would get movements, but they would resolve, typically

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread Duveyoung
I remember at TTC there was this guy who was the twitchyest of them all. His head would snap suddenly to the side, Tourrettes too, and other parts too would suddenly dance without him being a partner. Well, naive me, I went up to him and said, Hey, Bob, at least you know that TM works cuz,

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On May 7, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Richard M wrote: That sounds marvelous of course. Jolly good luck to them. But seriously, who would want to run such courses in today's climate of fear? With everyone suing at the drop of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread Vaj
On May 7, 2009, at 8:27 AM, raunchydog wrote: If modern meditation research is any indication, one of the things that is notable and actually helpful is research which shows random people compared to experienced meditators and then presented with some sort of averse stimuli: the screams of a

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Victim Mindset

2009-05-07 Thread Richard J. Williams
Citation, please. Link to study. Vaj wrote: It is by Dan Siegel, the psychiatrist who was a pioneer in human attachment/attunement (and attachment disorders). He spoke on this at a conference late last year... Mindsight: The New Science http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr4Od7kqDT8