subject:"\[FairfieldLife\] Re\: marshy"


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Anybody think maybe Barry is describing himself here? 

 No question that he thinks he has the right to say anything he wants about the 
people he's trying to "best." But it sounds an awful lot like he doesn't think 
anybody else does, especially if it's him getting "bested."
 

 Barry's Rules!
 

 Bawwy is blind. He could also be stupid but I'll err on the side of blind 
because it is less demeaning and I'll give him the benefit of 
not-as-much-doubt-as-I-wish-I-actually-had. He is a fucking joke, seriously I 
say this. There seems to be no limit to his preposterousness. He is the fourth 
Stooge, he is the lame joke, the one who is first to be eliminated in musical 
chairs. Barry is such a goink (Share, this is pronounced "goy-nk" in case you 
were wondering) that a post like this below is beyond my comprehension. Someone 
put him out of his misery - and failing that someone put me out of mine.
 

 

 I'll ignore Richard's obvious troll bait and focus on the highlighted phrase 
above. It's perfect, to describe the 'tude that a number of the confrontation 
junkies have on this forum. It's like they believe they are prosecutors in some 
cosmic court of law (or Laws Of Nature), and thus have the right to say 
anything they want about the people they're trying to "best" to challenge (and 
demean) their credibility. That alone is kinda weird, but the kicker is that 
they honestly seem to believe that the people they're trying to troll *have* to 
reply, so that they can extend the "cross examination."

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-07 Thread salyavin808


 The important phrase is that "any proposition that can be shown to be 
self-contradictory does not exist"
 

 But how can you be sure that all elements of the proposition are 
contradictory? It's only you that insists they are with your weird synopses.
 

 It has now been established that MMY did not rape Mia Farrow.
 

 No one here was suggesting that, that was you quoting someone else.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 4/7/2014 10:43 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:

 Any proposition that is self-contradictory does not exist. It's pretty much 
agreed that MMY did not rape Mia Farrow. There's nothing like the cross examine.
 





 
 I'll ignore Richard's obvious troll bait and focus on the highlighted phrase 
above. It's perfect, to describe the 'tude that a number of the confrontation 
junkies have on this forum. It's like they believe they are prosecutors in some 
cosmic court of law (or Laws Of Nature), and thus have the right to say 
anything they want about the people they're trying to "best" to challenge (and 
demean) their credibility. That alone is kinda weird, but the kicker is that 
they honestly seem to believe that the people they're trying to troll *have* to 
reply, so that they can extend the "cross examination." >
 The important phrase is that "any proposition that can be shown to be 
self-contradictory does not exist". This phrase should be followed by "all 
propositions are self-contradictory." If a proposition is self-contradictory 
then it follows that the thing does not exist. And, since there's no physical 
evidence, the proposition is just a rumor in the first place. The part about 
the cross examine is that MMY is dead and Judith Bourque isn't here to tell us 
exactly what happened. So, the case is closed unless somebody else has an 
objection. It has now been established that MMY did not rape Mia Farrow. Go 
figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-07 Thread Richard J. Williams


On 4/7/2014 10:43 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Any proposition that is self-contradictory does not exist. It's pretty 
much agreed that MMY did not rape Mia Farrow. There's nothing like the 
cross examine.



I'll ignore Richard's obvious troll bait and focus on the highlighted 
phrase above. It's perfect, to describe the 'tude that a number of the 
confrontation junkies have on this forum. It's like they believe they 
are prosecutors in some cosmic court of law (or Laws Of Nature), and 
thus have the right to say anything they want about the people they're 
trying to "best" to challenge (and demean) their credibility. That 
alone is kinda weird, but the kicker is that they honestly seem to 
believe that the people they're trying to troll *have* to reply, so 
that they can extend the "cross examination." 

>
The important phrase is that "any proposition that can be shown to be 
self-contradictory does not exist". This phrase should be followed by 
"all propositions are self-contradictory." If a proposition is 
self-contradictory then it follows that the thing does not exist. And, 
since there's no physical evidence, the proposition is just a rumor in 
the first place. The part about the cross examine is that MMY is dead 
and Judith Bourque isn't here to tell us exactly what happened. So, the 
case is closed unless somebody else has an objection. It has now been 
established that MMY did not rape Mia Farrow. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-07 Thread authfriend

Anybody think maybe Barry is describing himself here? 

 No question that he thinks he has the right to say anything he wants about the 
people he's trying to "best." But it sounds an awful lot like he doesn't think 
anybody else does, especially if it's him getting "bested."
 

 Barry's Rules!
 

 

 I'll ignore Richard's obvious troll bait and focus on the highlighted phrase 
above. It's perfect, to describe the 'tude that a number of the confrontation 
junkies have on this forum. It's like they believe they are prosecutors in some 
cosmic court of law (or Laws Of Nature), and thus have the right to say 
anything they want about the people they're trying to "best" to challenge (and 
demean) their credibility. That alone is kinda weird, but the kicker is that 
they honestly seem to believe that the people they're trying to troll *have* to 
reply, so that they can extend the "cross examination."

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-07 Thread TurquoiseBee

From: Richard J. Williams 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

On 4/7/2014 1:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

So in what way is him having a girlfriend a contradiction? 
>
For example, Judith's story of her short stay at the yoga camp seems
like a contradiction: how could Judith get past the skin boy in the
living room, evade Ms Jemima Pittman at the front door, and Jerry
and Debbie in the next cabin, and everybody else in the yoga camp,
in the dead of night, when you could hear a pin drop - that MMY
could get a big gal like Judith in through the bathroom window, into
his bedroom, down on the floor on his deer skin, in front of a
painting of SBS. 

It just doesn't make any sense. 

Maybe they went out on the veranda or up on the roof. Who knows -
nobody saw it - so it's self-contradictory. Any proposition that is
self-contradictory does not exist. It's pretty much agreed that MMY
did not rape Mia Farrow. There's nothing like the cross examine.

I'll ignore Richard's obvious troll bait and focus on the highlighted phrase 
above. It's perfect, to describe the 'tude that a number of the confrontation 
junkies have on this forum. It's like they believe they are prosecutors in some 
cosmic court of law (or Laws Of Nature), and thus have the right to say 
anything they want about the people they're trying to "best" to challenge (and 
demean) their credibility. That alone is kinda weird, but the kicker is that 
they honestly seem to believe that the people they're trying to troll *have* to 
reply, so that they can extend the "cross examination."

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-07 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 4/7/2014 8:31 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:

On 4/6/2014 8:11 PM, geezerfreak@...  wrote:

There's a reason why my favorite quote of Richards is:

"I've probably posted 10,000 messages here without a response."

>
I've probably posted 10,000 messages here and got a response.

He spouts endless repetitive nonsense and actually wonders why no
one bothers to respond? Go figure.

>
Apparently Mr. Freak took me seriously and responded, and I
actually wonder why he spouted more endless repetitive nonsense?
Go figure.

I see you two have history. Is this where the two of you continue
with, " I know you are but what am I?"

>
The last time I heard from Mr. Freak was back in 2006 when he posted 
"Damn!" to a FFL thread, and then just disappeared. He's not too big on 
keeping in touch. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-07 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 4/7/2014 1:33 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
So in what way is him having a girlfriend a contradiction? 

>
For example, Judith's story of her short stay at the yoga camp seems 
like a contradiction: how could Judith get past the skin boy in the 
living room, evade Ms Jemima Pittman at the front door, and Jerry and 
Debbie in the next cabin, and everybody else in the yoga camp, in the 
dead of night, when you could hear a pin drop - that MMY could get a big 
gal like Judith in through the bathroom window, into his bedroom, down 
on the floor on his deer skin, in front of a painting of SBS.

It just doesn't make any sense.

Maybe they went out on the veranda or up on the roof. Who knows - nobody 
saw it - so it's self-contradictory. Any proposition that is 
self-contradictory does not exist. It's pretty much agreed that MMY did 
not rape Mia Farrow. There's nothing like the cross examine.

Unless you fell for the public image, he's just one of the guys. 

>
Non sequitur.

and why wouldn't one of the guys make a pass at Mia Farrow?

>
Because she had been married to Frank?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I've yet to hear of physical violence associated with MMY, and the only 
allegation of rape seems to come from MMY giving Mia Farrow an unsolicited hug 
after meditation, which she agrees that she might have taken the wrong way.
 

 Yes, I was not implying that MMY had done any of these things, I was just 
giving examples of things I would personally find damning of someone's 
character.
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

You don't believe it because it seems contradictory? Fair enough, but I think 
he was more of a superb PR man than he was a holy man. That isn't a 
contradiction. The whole flowers and white robes and celibate monk thing was a 
prop for westerners. Look at all the BS he came up with to sell TM and the 
sidhis and everything else. It's pure genius. Sure TM works as a form of 
meditation but it isn't anywhere near as good as claimed and he didn't invent 
it anyway. All of his "products" are adapted from other sources. 

 So in what way is him having a girlfriend a contradiction? Unless you fell for 
the public image, he's just one of the guys. and why wouldn't one of the guys 
make a pass at Mia Farrow?
 

 To be honest, I don't care whether he did or didn't. I got what I got from TM 
and had a thoroughly good time living with the movement. The whole feet of clay 
thing thing came as no surprise, in fact it should be the last lesson for any 
followers of any guru - they really are just like us. You aren't going to 
transcend human nature. But the reaction of the believers is hilarious to 
watch. Unless they're much better judges of character than me of course.
 

 I think many followers of something want the whole package. They want the 
teachings to be real and true, they want the practice to be effective and they 
want their "leader" to be what they need him or her to be. It is about the 
needs of the "believers" and  little bit about everything else. I agree with 
you completely about not caring whether MMY was celibate or not, it was more 
about the practice of TM
 being useful or beneficial to me or not. But then, I was not looking for a 
teacher, I was not enamored with or even finding MMY interesting or 
charismatic. He was a little bit of a pleasant oddity for me, if anything. 
Hence, I had no desire to become a TM teacher which I think is something that 
came as a result of a sort of devotion to MMY and to the practice. I simply did 
not possess that. So, I think that if there wasn't this personal need on the 
part of the real believers for the teacher to be all the things they want him 
or her to be then they would be able to easily allow foibles within that 
teacher to exist. Having the desire for and engaging in sex does not discredit 
someone in my eyes. Raping, beating, blackmailing or otherwise proving yourself 
to be a power-hungry and distorted ass, however, does.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 4/6/2014 12:25 PM, salyavin808 wrote:

 Feel free to indulge your fantasies but I'd rather not dwell on it at all if 
you don't mind...

 >
 Obviously for a guy the best position is all in, but the point is that it 
seems totally out of character for MMY to be doing something like that with 
Judith. Where I come from. anything that is self-contradictory, does not exist. 
Almost everything said about MMY is self-contradictory, so most of what you 
read and hear is probably untrue. Unfortunately MMY isn't here to be 
cross-examined - there's nothing like the cross to get to the truth. Otherwise, 
it's all just speculation and rumor.
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:punditster@... wrote :
 
 On 4/6/2014 10:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

 How weird that some people think there is only one sexual position. >
 It's all a matter of placement and positioning. But, it is kind of strange to 
think of MMY screwing Judith on a antelope skin in front of a painting of SBS, 
with a skin-boy in the next room and Ms Pittman guarding the front door. Go 
figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-07 Thread salyavin808


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

You don't believe it because it seems contradictory? Fair enough, but I think 
he was more of a superb PR man than he was a holy man. That isn't a 
contradiction. The whole flowers and white robes and celibate monk thing was a 
prop for westerners. Look at all the BS he came up with to sell TM and the 
sidhis and everything else. It's pure genius. Sure TM works as a form of 
meditation but it isn't anywhere near as good as claimed and he didn't invent 
it anyway. All of his "products" are adapted from other sources. 

 So in what way is him having a girlfriend a contradiction? Unless you fell for 
the public image, he's just one of the guys. and why wouldn't one of the guys 
make a pass at Mia Farrow?
 

 To be honest, I don't care whether he did or didn't. I got what I got from TM 
and had a thoroughly good time living with the movement. The whole feet of clay 
thing thing came as no surprise, in fact it should be the last lesson for any 
followers of any guru - they really are just like us. You aren't going to 
transcend human nature. But the reaction of the believers is hilarious to 
watch. Unless they're much better judges of character than me of course.
 

 I think many followers of something want the whole package. They want the 
teachings to be real and true, they want the practice to be effective and they 
want their "leader" to be what they need him or her to be. It is about the 
needs of the "believers" and  little bit about everything else. I agree with 
you completely about not caring whether MMY was celibate or not, it was more 
about the practice of TM
 being useful or beneficial to me or not. But then, I was not looking for a 
teacher, I was not enamored with or even finding MMY interesting or 
charismatic. He was a little bit of a pleasant oddity for me, if anything. 
Hence, I had no desire to become a TM teacher which I think is something that 
came as a result of a sort of devotion to MMY and to the practice. I simply did 
not possess that. So, I think that if there wasn't this personal need on the 
part of the real believers for the teacher to be all the things they want him 
or her to be then they would be able to easily allow foibles within that 
teacher to exist. Having the desire for and engaging in sex does not discredit 
someone in my eyes. Raping, beating, blackmailing or otherwise proving yourself 
to be a power-hungry and distorted ass, however, does.
 

 I don't think it's acceptable for teachers like Marshy to have relations with 
disciples. It's an uneven relationship and abuse of trust. Maybe that makes me 
an old fuddy-duddy but I always think people in a position of power should 
behave like they are aware of the influence they have over people. assuming any 
of this is true of course
 

 I never met the reesh but never really liked his lecturing style, too rambling 
and incoherent for my taste. Could have done with an injection of empiricism. I 
liked the message up to a point but his later ideas and the behaviour of people 
in the movement were just too much BS.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 4/6/2014 12:25 PM, salyavin808 wrote:

 Feel free to indulge your fantasies but I'd rather not dwell on it at all if 
you don't mind...

 >
 Obviously for a guy the best position is all in, but the point is that it 
seems totally out of character for MMY to be doing something like that with 
Judith. Where I come from. anything that is self-contradictory, does not exist. 
Almost everything said about MMY is self-contradictory, so most of what you 
read and hear is probably untrue. Unfortunately MMY isn't here to be 
cross-examined - there's nothing like the cross to get to the truth. Otherwise, 
it's all just speculation and rumor.
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:punditster@... wrote :
 
 On 4/6/2014 10:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

 How weird that some people think there is only one sexual position. >
 It's all a matter of placement and positioning. But, it is kind of strange to 
think of MMY screwing Judith on a antelope skin in front of a painting of SBS, 
with a skin-boy in the next room and Ms Pittman guarding the front door. Go 
figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-07 Thread LEnglish5

I've yet to hear of physical violence associated with MMY, and the only 
allegation of rape seems to come from MMY giving Mia Farrow an unsolicited hug 
after meditation, which she agrees that she might have taken the wrong way. 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

You don't believe it because it seems contradictory? Fair enough, but I think 
he was more of a superb PR man than he was a holy man. That isn't a 
contradiction. The whole flowers and white robes and celibate monk thing was a 
prop for westerners. Look at all the BS he came up with to sell TM and the 
sidhis and everything else. It's pure genius. Sure TM works as a form of 
meditation but it isn't anywhere near as good as claimed and he didn't invent 
it anyway. All of his "products" are adapted from other sources. 

 So in what way is him having a girlfriend a contradiction? Unless you fell for 
the public image, he's just one of the guys. and why wouldn't one of the guys 
make a pass at Mia Farrow?
 

 To be honest, I don't care whether he did or didn't. I got what I got from TM 
and had a thoroughly good time living with the movement. The whole feet of clay 
thing thing came as no surprise, in fact it should be the last lesson for any 
followers of any guru - they really are just like us. You aren't going to 
transcend human nature. But the reaction of the believers is hilarious to 
watch. Unless they're much better judges of character than me of course.
 

 I think many followers of something want the whole package. They want the 
teachings to be real and true, they want the practice to be effective and they 
want their "leader" to be what they need him or her to be. It is about the 
needs of the "believers" and  little bit about everything else. I agree with 
you completely about not caring whether MMY was celibate or not, it was more 
about the practice of TM
 being useful or beneficial to me or not. But then, I was not looking for a 
teacher, I was not enamored with or even finding MMY interesting or 
charismatic. He was a little bit of a pleasant oddity for me, if anything. 
Hence, I had no desire to become a TM teacher which I think is something that 
came as a result of a sort of devotion to MMY and to the practice. I simply did 
not possess that. So, I think that if there wasn't this personal need on the 
part of the real believers for the teacher to be all the things they want him 
or her to be then they would be able to easily allow foibles within that 
teacher to exist. Having the desire for and engaging in sex does not discredit 
someone in my eyes. Raping, beating, blackmailing or otherwise proving yourself 
to be a power-hungry and distorted ass, however, does.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 4/6/2014 12:25 PM, salyavin808 wrote:

 Feel free to indulge your fantasies but I'd rather not dwell on it at all if 
you don't mind...

 >
 Obviously for a guy the best position is all in, but the point is that it 
seems totally out of character for MMY to be doing something like that with 
Judith. Where I come from. anything that is self-contradictory, does not exist. 
Almost everything said about MMY is self-contradictory, so most of what you 
read and hear is probably untrue. Unfortunately MMY isn't here to be 
cross-examined - there's nothing like the cross to get to the truth. Otherwise, 
it's all just speculation and rumor.
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:punditster@... wrote :
 
 On 4/6/2014 10:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

 How weird that some people think there is only one sexual position. >
 It's all a matter of placement and positioning. But, it is kind of strange to 
think of MMY screwing Judith on a antelope skin in front of a painting of SBS, 
with a skin-boy in the next room and Ms Pittman guarding the front door. Go 
figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

You don't believe it because it seems contradictory? Fair enough, but I think 
he was more of a superb PR man than he was a holy man. That isn't a 
contradiction. The whole flowers and white robes and celibate monk thing was a 
prop for westerners. Look at all the BS he came up with to sell TM and the 
sidhis and everything else. It's pure genius. Sure TM works as a form of 
meditation but it isn't anywhere near as good as claimed and he didn't invent 
it anyway. All of his "products" are adapted from other sources. 

 So in what way is him having a girlfriend a contradiction? Unless you fell for 
the public image, he's just one of the guys. and why wouldn't one of the guys 
make a pass at Mia Farrow?
 

 To be honest, I don't care whether he did or didn't. I got what I got from TM 
and had a thoroughly good time living with the movement. The whole feet of clay 
thing thing came as no surprise, in fact it should be the last lesson for any 
followers of any guru - they really are just like us. You aren't going to 
transcend human nature. But the reaction of the believers is hilarious to 
watch. Unless they're much better judges of character than me of course.
 

 I think many followers of something want the whole package. They want the 
teachings to be real and true, they want the practice to be effective and they 
want their "leader" to be what they need him or her to be. It is about the 
needs of the "believers" and  little bit about everything else. I agree with 
you completely about not caring whether MMY was celibate or not, it was more 
about the practice of TM
 being useful or beneficial to me or not. But then, I was not looking for a 
teacher, I was not enamored with or even finding MMY interesting or 
charismatic. He was a little bit of a pleasant oddity for me, if anything. 
Hence, I had no desire to become a TM teacher which I think is something that 
came as a result of a sort of devotion to MMY and to the practice. I simply did 
not possess that. So, I think that if there wasn't this personal need on the 
part of the real believers for the teacher to be all the things they want him 
or her to be then they would be able to easily allow foibles within that 
teacher to exist. Having the desire for and engaging in sex does not discredit 
someone in my eyes. Raping, beating, blackmailing or otherwise proving yourself 
to be a power-hungry and distorted ass, however, does.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 4/6/2014 12:25 PM, salyavin808 wrote:

 Feel free to indulge your fantasies but I'd rather not dwell on it at all if 
you don't mind...

 >
 Obviously for a guy the best position is all in, but the point is that it 
seems totally out of character for MMY to be doing something like that with 
Judith. Where I come from. anything that is self-contradictory, does not exist. 
Almost everything said about MMY is self-contradictory, so most of what you 
read and hear is probably untrue. Unfortunately MMY isn't here to be 
cross-examined - there's nothing like the cross to get to the truth. Otherwise, 
it's all just speculation and rumor.
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:punditster@... wrote :
 
 On 4/6/2014 10:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

 How weird that some people think there is only one sexual position. >
 It's all a matter of placement and positioning. But, it is kind of strange to 
think of MMY screwing Judith on a antelope skin in front of a painting of SBS, 
with a skin-boy in the next room and Ms Pittman guarding the front door. Go 
figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 4/6/2014 8:11 PM, geezerfreak@... mailto:geezerfreak@... wrote:

 There's a reason why my favorite quote of Richards is:
 "I've probably posted 10,000 messages here without a response."

 >
 I've probably posted 10,000 messages here and got a response. 
 
 He spouts endless repetitive nonsense and actually wonders why no one bothers 
to respond? Go figure.

 >
 Apparently Mr. Freak took me seriously and responded, and I actually wonder 
why he spouted more endless repetitive nonsense? Go figure. I see you two have 
history. Is this where the two of you continue with, " I know you are but what 
am I?"

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy



You don't believe it because it seems contradictory? Fair enough, but I think 
he was more of a superb PR man than he was a holy man. That isn't a 
contradiction. The whole flowers and white robes and celibate monk thing was a 
prop for westerners. Look at all the BS he came up with to sell TM and the 
sidhis and everything else. It's pure genius. Sure TM works as a form of 
meditation but it isn't anywhere near as good as claimed and he didn't invent 
it anyway. All of his "products" are adapted from other sources. 

 So in what way is him having a girlfriend a contradiction? Unless you fell for 
the public image, he's just one of the guys. and why wouldn't one of the guys 
make a pass at Mia Farrow?
 

 To be honest, I don't care whether he did or didn't. I got what I got from TM 
and had a thoroughly good time living with the movement. The whole feet of clay 
thing thing came as no surprise, in fact it should be the last lesson for any 
followers of any guru - they really are just like us. You aren't going to 
transcend human nature. But the reaction of the believers is hilarious to 
watch. Unless they're much better judges of character than me of course.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 4/6/2014 12:25 PM, salyavin808 wrote:

 Feel free to indulge your fantasies but I'd rather not dwell on it at all if 
you don't mind...

 >
 Obviously for a guy the best position is all in, but the point is that it 
seems totally out of character for MMY to be doing something like that with 
Judith. Where I come from. anything that is self-contradictory, does not exist. 
Almost everything said about MMY is self-contradictory, so most of what you 
read and hear is probably untrue. Unfortunately MMY isn't here to be 
cross-examined - there's nothing like the cross to get to the truth. Otherwise, 
it's all just speculation and rumor.
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:punditster@... wrote :
 
 On 4/6/2014 10:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

 How weird that some people think there is only one sexual position. >
 It's all a matter of placement and positioning. But, it is kind of strange to 
think of MMY screwing Judith on a antelope skin in front of a painting of SBS, 
with a skin-boy in the next room and Ms Pittman guarding the front door. Go 
figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

On 4/6/2014 8:11 PM, geezerfr...@yahoo.com wrote:

There's a reason why my favorite quote of Richards is:

"I've probably posted 10,000 messages here without a response."

>
I've probably posted 10,000 messages here and got a response.

He spouts endless repetitive nonsense and actually wonders why no one 
bothers to respond? Go figure.

>
Apparently Mr. Freak took me seriously and responded, and I actually 
wonder why he spouted more endless repetitive nonsense? Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-06 Thread geezerfreak

There's a reason why my favorite quote of Richards is: "I've probably posted 
10,000 messages here without a response."
 He spouts endless repetitive nonsense and actually wonders why no one bothers 
to respond? Go figure.
 

 Feel free to indulge your fantasies but I'd rather not dwell on it at all if 
you don't mind...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 4/6/2014 10:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

 Hide message history
 How weird that some people think there is only one sexual position.>
It's all a matter of placement and positioning. But, it is kind of strange to 
think of MMY screwing Judith on a antelope skin in front of a paining of SBS, 
with a skin-boy in the next room and Ms Pittman guarding the front door. Go 
figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy


On 4/6/2014 12:25 PM, salyavin808 wrote:


Feel free to indulge your fantasies but I'd rather not dwell on it at 
all if you don't mind...



>
Obviously for a guy the best position is all in, but the point is that 
it seems totally out of character for MMY to be doing something like 
that with Judith. Where I come from. anything that is 
self-contradictory, does not exist. Almost everything said about MMY is 
self-contradictory, so most of what you read and hear is probably 
untrue. Unfortunately MMY isn't here to be cross-examined - there's 
nothing like the cross to get to the truth. Otherwise, it's all just 
speculation and rumor.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 4/6/2014 10:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote:


How weird that some people think there is only one sexual
position.

>
It's all a matter of placement and positioning. But, it is kind of
strange to think of MMY screwing Judith on a antelope skin in
front of a painting of SBS, with a skin-boy in the next room and
Ms Pittman guarding the front door. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy



 It takes two to tango, or do you have no self control in the presence of a hot 
woman?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 4/6/2014 10:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

 How disgusting that some women have sex lives.  >
 It's is kind of low to screw somebody's husband and break up a marriage with 
four kids. That must be complicated.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

Feel free to indulge your fantasies but I'd rather not dwell on it at all if 
you don't mind...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 4/6/2014 10:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

 How weird that some people think there is only one sexual position. >
 It's all a matter of placement and positioning. But, it is kind of strange to 
think of MMY screwing Judith on a antelope skin in front of a paining of SBS, 
with a skin-boy in the next room and Ms Pittman guarding the front door. Go 
figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy


On 4/6/2014 10:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
How disgusting that some women have sex lives. 

>
It's is kind of low to screw somebody's husband and break up a marriage 
with four kids. That must be complicated.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy


On 4/6/2014 10:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

How weird that some people think there is only one sexual position.

>
It's all a matter of placement and positioning. But, it is kind of 
strange to think of MMY screwing Judith on a antelope skin in front of a 
paining of SBS, with a skin-boy in the next room and Ms Pittman guarding 
the front door. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy


On 4/6/2014 10:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
How vile of these hussies to tempt those poor innocent guru's away 
from their chosen path of righteousness.

>
Not sure how much tempting there had to be in the case of Sai Bba and 
Conny Larsson. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

How disgusting that some women have sex lives.  

 How unbelievable that not everyone's marriage lasts forever. 

 How vile of these hussies to tempt those poor innocent guru's away from their 
chosen path of righteousness. 

 How positively criminal that some people teach TM illegally! 

 How weird that some people think there is only one sexual position.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 4/6/2014 7:14 AM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote:
 > Did the book draw a timeline that showed that there were significant 
 > periods of private "face-time" on a regular basis between the author 
 > and Maharishi?
 >
 >
 There's no time-line and very little detail in her book. If you can 
 believe this scenario, Judith was able to sneak into MMY's house in the 
 dead of night when everyone else was sleeping, - even the the skin-boy. 
 How she got past Nanda Keshore and Ms Jemima Pittman is beyond me. So, 
 apparently she either climbed into bed with MMY or maybe they went up on 
 the roof or out onto the veranda. But, it's a stretch to imagine a 
 little guy like MMY on top of a big gal like Judith - he could have been 
 tossed clear across the room from all that bucking. It's not complicated.

 Judith Bourque is about as honest as she could be, I guess, considering 
 that she teaches 'vedic mantra meditation' with Conny Larsson. I wonder 
 how honest she was when she told MMYthat she had slept with a married 
 man and totally destroyed the guy's family - a wife and four children? 
 If Judith was an honest person, she didn't sound very remorseful in her 
 book about that. In fact, she sounds kind of boastful about her sexual 
 exploits.

 What we CAN conclude from our reading is that these two, Judith and 
 Conny, are guru-screwers, MMY and Sai Baba respectively, of the lowest 
 sort. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

On 4/6/2014 7:14 AM, lengli...@cox.net wrote:
> Did the book draw a timeline that showed that there were significant 
> periods of private "face-time" on a regular basis between the author 
> and Maharishi?
>
 >
There's no time-line and very little detail in her book. If you can 
believe this scenario, Judith was able to sneak into MMY's house in the 
dead of night when everyone else was sleeping,  - even the the skin-boy. 
How she got past Nanda Keshore and Ms Jemima Pittman is beyond me. So, 
apparently she either climbed into bed with MMY or maybe they went up on 
the roof or out onto the veranda. But, it's  a stretch to imagine a 
little guy like MMY on top of a big gal like Judith - he could have been 
tossed clear across the room from all that bucking. It's not complicated.

Judith Bourque is about as honest as she could be, I guess, considering 
that she teaches 'vedic mantra meditation' with Conny Larsson. I wonder 
how honest she was when she told MMYthat she had slept with a married 
man and totally destroyed the guy's family - a wife and four children? 
If Judith was an honest person, she didn't sound very remorseful in her 
book about that. In fact, she sounds kind of boastful about her sexual 
exploits.

What we CAN conclude from our reading is that these two, Judith and 
Conny, are guru-screwers, MMY and Sai Baba respectively, of the lowest 
sort. Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy


On 4/6/2014 3:27 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
What amazes me is the WHY of people still trying to argue that 
Maharishi was celibate and that none of these things really happened. 

>
What were you doing in MMY's bedroom? Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-06 Thread Pundit Sir

It's not complicated.

After reading all the published reports posted online and most of the books
about the incident, I guess I can safely say that MMY did not rape Mia
Farrow.

So, let's review what we know:

John and Cynthia went to a yoga meditation camp over in India, according to
Nancy. Paul was there too, with Jane Asher. At the yoga camp, John tried to
sneak Yoko Ono in through the bathroom window, but Cynthia kicked John out
of the bedroom, according to Cynthia. John went over to Paul and Jane's
room and they smoked some weed smuggled in by Magic Alex, according to
Chopra.

When MMY found out about it, he kicked John and Paul out of the camp. When
John and Paul got back from India they told a few fibs about their
experience in India as a cover-up. Then, John grew a long beard, dressed
himself up in white pajamas, shacked up with Yoko in a Canadian hotel
room,and went on TV to demonstrate their yoga technique - bed yoga for
world peace.

You can't make this stuff up.

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On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 7:49 AM,  wrote:

>
>
> As Br'er Barry has declared, I have the siddhis of always knowing what
> other people think and know and of always being right. How dare you
> question my intuition?
>
> I'm more interested in why Judy is willing to accept words in a book as
> persuasive. Did the book draw a timeline that showed that there were
> significant periods of private "face-time" on a regular basis between the
> author and Maharishi?
>
> Did the book provide evidence that Maharishi rearranged his schedule to
> make sure these period occured?
>
> Did the book provide a "semen-stained dress?"
>
>
> It is entirely plausible that MMY DID have one or more affairs. He stopped
> using the title of a life-long celibate starting in the early 60's. He
> admitted in a radio interview in the late 60's that had he known it was
> possible to become enlightened without being celibate, he would have
> married and had kids.
>
> I'm just curious as to why Judy finds the book so persuasive (whether or
> not *I* would find the book persuasive is immaterial).
>
>
> L
>
>
>
> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>
>
> Don't worry Lawson, there are plenty of people willing to refute it on his
> behalf.
>
> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>
> "Since we know from other sources that he wasn't"
>
> He might not have been, Judy, but its entirely a he said, she said
> scenario here, and "he" is now dead so he can't refute the "she said" part.
>
> L
>
>
> ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>
> That's how one version of the story goes. In another version, told by
> Cynthia Lennon, Magic Alex convinced John and George that Maharishi had had
> sex with one of the American students (not Mia), and that's why they left.
> Cynthia thinks Alex was jealous of Maharishi's influence over John and
> wanted to get the Beatles away from him:
>
>
> http://www.beatles-unlimited.com/2008/02/10/cynthia-lennon-the-beatles-the-maharishi-and-me/
>
> For Magic Alex's version, see here (pages 8 and 9):
>
> http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf
>
> I've seen yet another version, which I can't find now on the Web, in which
> Alex set Maharishi up, collaborating with this American student to stage
> the scene implicating Maharishi that Alex took John to witness.
>
> Mia Farrow wasn't involved in any of these versions. From everything I can
> determine, it appears that the Mia story and the John-and-George-leaving
> story got conflated somewhere along the line. In any case, as Lawson says,
> Mia has backed way off her original claim.
>
> But if the issue is whether Maharishi was or wasn't celibate, which of the
> above versions (if any) is the correct one is irrelevant, since we know
> from other sources that he wasn't.
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-06 Thread authfriend

As Br'er Barry has declared, I have the siddhis of always knowing what other
people think and know and of always being right. How dare you question my
intuition?
I'm more interested in why Judy is willing to accept words in a book as
persuasive. Did the book draw a timeline that showed that there were
significant periods of private "face-time" on a regular basis between the
author and Maharishi?

Did the book provide evidence that Maharishi rearranged his schedule to make
sure these period occured?

Did the book provide a "semen-stained dress?"

It is entirely plausible that MMY DID have one or more affairs. He stopped
using the title of a life-long celibate starting in the early 60's. He admitted
in a radio interview in the late 60's that had he known it was possible to
become enlightened without being celibate, he would have married and had kids.

I'm just curious as to why Judy finds the book so persuasive (whether or not
*I* would find the book persuasive is immaterial).

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Don't worry Lawson, there are plenty of people willing to refute it on his
behalf.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

"Since we know from other sources that he wasn't"

He might not have been, Judy, but its entirely a he said, she said scenario
here, and "he" is now dead so he can't refute the "she said" part.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

That's how one version of the story goes. In another version, told by Cynthia
Lennon, Magic Alex convinced John and George that Maharishi had had sex with
one of the American students (not Mia), and that's why they left. Cynthia
thinks Alex was jealous of Maharishi's influence over John and wanted to get
the Beatles away from him:

http://www.beatles-unlimited.com/2008/02/10/cynthia-lennon-the-beatles-the-maharishi-and-me/

For Magic Alex's version, see here (pages 8 and 9):

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf

I've seen yet another version, which I can't find now on the Web, in which Alex
set Maharishi up, collaborating with this American student to stage the scene
implicating Maharishi that Alex took John to witness.

Mia Farrow wasn't involved in any of these versions. From everything I can
determine, it appears that the Mia story and the John-and-George-leaving story
got conflated somewhere along the line. In any case, as Lawson says, Mia has
backed way off her original claim.

But if the issue is whether Maharishi was or wasn't celibate, which of the
above versions (if any) is the correct one is irrelevant, since we know from
other sources that he wasn't.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-06 Thread LEnglish5

I'm more interested in why Judy is willing to accept words in a book as
persuasive. Did the book draw a timeline that showed that there were
significant periods of private "face-time" on a regular basis between the
author and Maharishi?

Did the book provide evidence that Maharishi rearranged his schedule to make
sure these period occured?

Did the book provide a "semen-stained dress?"

I'm just curious as to why Judy finds the book so persuasive (whether or not
*I* would find the book persuasive is immaterial).

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Don't worry Lawson, there are plenty of people willing to refute it on his
behalf.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

"Since we know from other sources that he wasn't"

He might not have been, Judy, but its entirely a he said, she said scenario
here, and "he" is now dead so he can't refute the "she said" part.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://www.beatles-unlimited.com/2008/02/10/cynthia-lennon-the-beatles-the-maharishi-and-me/

For Magic Alex's version, see here (pages 8 and 9):

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf

But if the issue is whether Maharishi was or wasn't celibate, which of the
above versions (if any) is the correct one is irrelevant, since we know from
other sources that he wasn't.

Really? That's how the story goes, last read by me in that definitive book
about the Beatles released 10-ish years ago.

The fact her sister is a TM teacher means nothing to me about anything. Except
maybe she might want to always paint the movement in a good light. I read
somewhere that they do that a lot.

You should get down the local Krishna restaraunt and get a copy of Chant and
be Happy it's all about the Beatles and Krishna, boy will you see them in a new
light. In fact you will see the power of selective editing at work. The TMO
never mentions H&L's devotion to Krishna and the Isckon book doesn't mention
TM. LOL, these cults and their obsession with one-upmanship.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

I havent been able to find an account by Mia Farrow where she says that MMY
attempted to get her to lie down, just that he started to give her a hug. At
least, that is what her autobiography says. She may have watered down her story
from the time of the incident. Her sister is an active TM teacher, after all.
Continually attacking her sister's teacher would be a bad way to keep peace in
the family.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

1 Comment below

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

This seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in her story of the
affair (I've never read it, so going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on
her claim and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups of people
at all hours of hte day and night during that time, and tehre's no way a secret
affair could have happened without everyone (including him) being in on it.
Campbell is now a practicing Buddhist.

Mia Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had Jesus given her
a hug, she would have taken it the wrong way.

The two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money for TM some
years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in interviews, and John Lennon's widow,
Yoko Ono, even atten

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-06 Thread TurquoiseBee

From: salyavin808 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2014 8:00 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

Don't worry Lawson, there are plenty of people willing to refute it on his 
behalf.

What amazes me is the WHY of people still trying to argue that Maharishi was 
celibate and that none of these things really happened. 

Does it make them believe that if they can "shoot the messenger" and cast doubt 
that Maharishi did these things that the pedestal they've placed him on would 
be taller than if he was gettin' his rocks off like everybody else?

Do they think that admitting that he *did* get his rocks off like everyone else 
would somehow "lower" the pedestal they've placed him on? And that, as a 
result, *they* would be diminished? Go figure. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

"Since we know from other sources that he wasn't"

He might not have been, Judy, but its entirely a he said, she said scenario 
here, and "he" is now dead so he can't refute the "she said" part.

L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

That's how one version of the story goes. In another version, told by Cynthia 
Lennon, Magic Alex convinced John and George that Maharishi had had sex with 
one of the American students (not Mia), and that's why they left. Cynthia 
thinks Alex was jealous of Maharishi's influence over John and wanted to get 
the Beatles away from him:

http://www.beatles-unlimited.com/2008/02/10/cynthia-lennon-the-beatles-the-maharishi-and-me/

For Magic Alex's version, see here (pages 8 and 9):

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf

I've seen yet another version, which I can't find now on the Web, in which Alex 
set Maharishi up, collaborating with this American student to stage the scene 
implicating Maharishi that Alex took John to witness.

Mia Farrow wasn't involved in any of these versions. From everything I can 
determine, it appears that the Mia story and the John-and-George-leaving story 
got conflated somewhere along the line. In any case, as Lawson says, Mia has 
backed way off her original claim.

But if the issue is whether Maharishi was or wasn't celibate, which of the 
above versions (if any) is the correct one is irrelevant, since we know from 
other sources that he wasn't.

Really? That's how the story goes, last read by me in that definitive book 
about the Beatles released 10-ish years ago. 

The fact her sister is a TM teacher means nothing to me about anything. Except 
maybe she might want to always paint the movement in a good light. I read 
somewhere that they do that a lot.

You should get down the local Krishna restaraunt and get a copy of Chant and be 
Happy it's all about the Beatles and Krishna, boy will you see them in a new 
light. In fact you will see the power of selective editing at work. The TMO 
never mentions H&L's devotion to Krishna and the Isckon book doesn't mention 
TM. LOL, these cults and their obsession with one-upmanship.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I havent been able to find an account by Mia Farrow where she says that MMY 
attempted to get her to lie down, just that he started to give her a hug.  At 
least, that is what her autobiography says. She may have watered down her story 
from the time of the incident. Her sister is an active TM teacher, after all. 
Continually attacking her sister's teacher would be a bad way to keep peace in 
the family.

L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

1 Comment below

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

""He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just couldn't see that 
he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly. At one stage I even thought I 
was pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a lot of 
talk that he'd tried to rape"

This seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in  her story of the 
affair (I've never read it, so going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on 
her claim and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups of people 
at all hours of hte day and night during that time, and tehre's no way a secret 
affair could have happened without everyone (including him) being in on it. 
Campbell is now a practicing Buddhist.

Mia Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had Jesus given her 
a hug, she would have taken it the wrong way.

The two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money for TM some 
years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in interviews, and John Lennon's widow, 
Yoko Ono, even attended the concert.

The two non-surviving Beatles, Lennon and Harrison (the ones who were actually 
in Rishikesh at the time of the incident), quit TM soon after getting back from 
India. Harrison had th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

Don't worry Lawson, there are plenty of people willing to refute it on his
behalf.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

"Since we know from other sources that he wasn't"

He might not have been, Judy, but its entirely a he said, she said scenario
here, and "he" is now dead so he can't refute the "she said" part.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://www.beatles-unlimited.com/2008/02/10/cynthia-lennon-the-beatles-the-maharishi-and-me/

For Magic Alex's version, see here (pages 8 and 9):

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf

But if the issue is whether Maharishi was or wasn't celibate, which of the
above versions (if any) is the correct one is irrelevant, since we know from
other sources that he wasn't.

Really? That's how the story goes, last read by me in that definitive book
about the Beatles released 10-ish years ago.

The fact her sister is a TM teacher means nothing to me about anything. Except
maybe she might want to always paint the movement in a good light. I read
somewhere that they do that a lot.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

1 Comment below

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Mia Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had Jesus given her
a hug, she would have taken it the wrong way.

The two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money for TM some
years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in interviews, and John Lennon's widow,
Yoko Ono, even attended the concert.

The two non-surviving Beatles, Lennon and Harrison (the ones who were actually
in Rishikesh at the time of the incident), quit TM soon after getting back from
India. Harrison had the Iskcon camping in his garden by the end of that year.
They both said that chanting the Krishna mantra was the ultimate spiritual
experience and did it for years, Harrison kept it up until he died, claiming it
saved his life many times.

Iskcon publish a book about it but they don't mention TM, saying that Harrison
and Lennon had been doing a type of mantra meditation for a while.

Regarding Mia Farrow, she was alone with the reesh and he tried to put his
arms round her and get her to lie down. You don't need to know anything else do
you, it's inappropriate enough without any fantasies. When L&H heard about it
they announced to Marshy that they were leaving and he asked why. Lennon said
"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

Maybe we could read her brain waves, an EEG would sort it all out.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The book is about the Beatles. Does it quote Mia Farrow or does it quote 
someone quoting someone quoting Mia Farrow? 

 Mia Farrow's own book should be taken as a better source of what happened to 
Mia Farrow than a book about the Beatles unless the guy is referring to direct 
interviews with Mia Farrow where he has the tapes or transcripts in hand, or 
can point to a TV interview or something.
 

 L

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams


On 4/5/2014 6:46 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
*Get back to us on this once you've read Judith Bourque's book, OK, 
Lawson?*

>
Steal a copy or borrow a copy - but whatever you do, don't pay $40 for a 
219 page paperback with lousy photos in it. It's a ripoff, for sure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 4/5/2014 5:22 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> I don't think its a matter of morphing - its having your eyes open to 
> see what was always there. Its like having a spouse who cheats on you, 
> and has been doing so since you were first married - you thought they 
> were faithful, but you were wrong - then you see what was always there 
> and you have a different attitude and energy around the person.
 >
So, it's all about your ex-wife? No wonder you are so upset.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

Are we in court, Lawson?

So a book is so persuasive that it convinces you?

Wouldn't stand up in court, Judy.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Get back to us on this once you've read Judith Bourque's book, OK, Lawson?

"Since we know from other sources that he wasn't"

He might not have been, Judy, but its entirely a he said, she said scenario
here, and "he" is now dead so he can't refute the "she said" part.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://www.beatles-unlimited.com/2008/02/10/cynthia-lennon-the-beatles-the-maharishi-and-me/

For Magic Alex's version, see here (pages 8 and 9):

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf

But if the issue is whether Maharishi was or wasn't celibate, which of the
above versions (if any) is the correct one is irrelevant, since we know from
other sources that he wasn't.

Really? That's how the story goes, last read by me in that definitive book
about the Beatles released 10-ish years ago.

The fact her sister is a TM teacher means nothing to me about anything. Except
maybe she might want to always paint the movement in a good light. I read
somewhere that they do that a lot.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

1 Comment below

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Mia Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had Jesus given her
a hug, she would have taken it the wrong way.

The two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money for TM some
years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in interviews, and John Lennon's widow,
Yoko Ono, even attended the concert.

Iskcon publish a book about it but they don't mention TM, saying that Harrison
and Lennon had been doing a type of mantra meditation for a while.

Regarding Mia Farrow, she was alone with the reesh and he tried to put his
arms round her and get her to lie down. You don't need to know anything else do
you, it's inappropriate enough without

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

So a book is so persuasive that it convinces you?

Wouldn't stand up in court, Judy.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Get back to us on this once you've read Judith Bourque's book, OK, Lawson?

"Since we know from other sources that he wasn't"

He might not have been, Judy, but its entirely a he said, she said scenario
here, and "he" is now dead so he can't refute the "she said" part.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://www.beatles-unlimited.com/2008/02/10/cynthia-lennon-the-beatles-the-maharishi-and-me/

For Magic Alex's version, see here (pages 8 and 9):

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf

But if the issue is whether Maharishi was or wasn't celibate, which of the
above versions (if any) is the correct one is irrelevant, since we know from
other sources that he wasn't.

Really? That's how the story goes, last read by me in that definitive book
about the Beatles released 10-ish years ago.

The fact her sister is a TM teacher means nothing to me about anything. Except
maybe she might want to always paint the movement in a good light. I read
somewhere that they do that a lot.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

1 Comment below

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Mia Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had Jesus given her
a hug, she would have taken it the wrong way.

The two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money for TM some
years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in interviews, and John Lennon's widow,
Yoko Ono, even attended the concert.

Iskcon publish a book about it but they don't mention TM, saying that Harrison
and Lennon had been doing a type of mantra meditation for a while.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

Get back to us on this once you've read Judith Bourque's book, OK, Lawson?

"Since we know from other sources that he wasn't"

He might not have been, Judy, but its entirely a he said, she said scenario
here, and "he" is now dead so he can't refute the "she said" part.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://www.beatles-unlimited.com/2008/02/10/cynthia-lennon-the-beatles-the-maharishi-and-me/

For Magic Alex's version, see here (pages 8 and 9):

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf

But if the issue is whether Maharishi was or wasn't celibate, which of the
above versions (if any) is the correct one is irrelevant, since we know from
other sources that he wasn't.

Really? That's how the story goes, last read by me in that definitive book
about the Beatles released 10-ish years ago.

The fact her sister is a TM teacher means nothing to me about anything. Except
maybe she might want to always paint the movement in a good light. I read
somewhere that they do that a lot.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

1 Comment below

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Mia Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had Jesus given her
a hug, she would have taken it the wrong way.

The two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money for TM some
years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in interviews, and John Lennon's widow,
Yoko Ono, even attended the concert.

Iskcon publish a book about it but they don't mention TM, saying that Harrison
and Lennon had been doing a type of mantra meditation for a while.

The fickleness

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

Also be aware--it can get confusing if you haven't been following the 
discussion--that the comment on top is frequently from the more recent post. 

 There's no rabbit hole at all in this exchange with Salyavin, from either of 
us. You tend to get all fouled up by your mistaken assumptions.
 
 

 
 

 I'll make a point of it Judy.  And if I can vaguely figure out what point you 
are trying to make before I get utterly bored, I'll let you know what I find.  
But usually the first rabbit hole pops up pretty early. (-:
 

 

 

 

 Oh, Feebs, you need to read the posts in the thread before you comment. 
Especially if it's not one of your better days. Be a good idea to read the 
follow-up posts as well. 

 

 it would be at this point like this that an old girl friend would make an 
airplane sound and a gesture of a hand moving over her head. 

 Or as Audrey said to Seymour in Little Shop of Horrors, "You're acting 
peculiar Judy"
 

 

 

 What debate? I wasn't debating anything with you, just pointing out that there 
were multiple versions of the Beatles-leaving-Maharishi story. 

 What that got to do with anything? Other than deflecting the debate 

 

 

 

 

 Well, you might have a bit of a conflict with Share about this. Her infamous 
accusation that she had been "psychologically raped" by Robin emerged a month 
after the fact. At the time, what he'd said was no more than a minor 
irritation, and she apologized to Robin for being grumpy, blaming it on having 
had too much sugar the previous day. 

 Whatever happend re Mia Farrow: I don't care what she thinks of it now, what 
she said at the time was fascinating. Did she make it up and change her mind or 
was she persuaded to by everyone else? We will never know but I'd always take 
the closest account of something to the time it was supposed to have happened 
as being the most accurate, any detective will tell you that. Memory is 
unreliable and impressionable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

"Since we know from other sources that he wasn't"

He might not have been, Judy, but its entirely a he said, she said scenario
here, and "he" is now dead so he can't refute the "she said" part.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://www.beatles-unlimited.com/2008/02/10/cynthia-lennon-the-beatles-the-maharishi-and-me/

For Magic Alex's version, see here (pages 8 and 9):

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf

But if the issue is whether Maharishi was or wasn't celibate, which of the
above versions (if any) is the correct one is irrelevant, since we know from
other sources that he wasn't.

Really? That's how the story goes, last read by me in that definitive book
about the Beatles released 10-ish years ago.

The fact her sister is a TM teacher means nothing to me about anything. Except
maybe she might want to always paint the movement in a good light. I read
somewhere that they do that a lot.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

1 Comment below

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Mia Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had Jesus given her
a hug, she would have taken it the wrong way.

The two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money for TM some
years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in interviews, and John Lennon's widow,
Yoko Ono, even attended the concert.

Iskcon publish a book about it but they don't mention TM, saying that Harrison
and Lennon had been doing a type of mantra meditation for a while.

The fickleness of the famous? Or the only people who ever said no?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

The book is about the Beatles. Does it quote Mia Farrow or does it quote 
someone quoting someone quoting Mia Farrow? 

 Mia Farrow's own book should be taken as a better source of what happened to 
Mia Farrow than a book about the Beatles unless the guy is referring to direct 
interviews with Mia Farrow where he has the tapes or transcripts in hand, or 
can point to a TV interview or something.
 

 L

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

I'll make a point of it Judy.  And if I can vaguely figure out what point you 
are trying to make before I get utterly bored, I'll let you know what I find.  
But usually the first rabbit hole pops up pretty early. (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Oh, Feebs, you need to read the posts in the thread before you comment. 
Especially if it's not one of your better days. Be a good idea to read the 
follow-up posts as well. 

 

 it would be at this point like this that an old girl friend would make an 
airplane sound and a gesture of a hand moving over her head. 

 Or as Audrey said to Seymour in Little Shop of Horrors, "You're acting 
peculiar Judy"
 

 

 

 What debate? I wasn't debating anything with you, just pointing out that there 
were multiple versions of the Beatles-leaving-Maharishi story. 

 What that got to do with anything? Other than deflecting the debate 

 

 

 

 

 Well, you might have a bit of a conflict with Share about this. Her infamous 
accusation that she had been "psychologically raped" by Robin emerged a month 
after the fact. At the time, what he'd said was no more than a minor 
irritation, and she apologized to Robin for being grumpy, blaming it on having 
had too much sugar the previous day. 

 Whatever happend re Mia Farrow: I don't care what she thinks of it now, what 
she said at the time was fascinating. Did she make it up and change her mind or 
was she persuaded to by everyone else? We will never know but I'd always take 
the closest account of something to the time it was supposed to have happened 
as being the most accurate, any detective will tell you that. Memory is 
unreliable and impressionable.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

we saw the movie "Lunch Box" last night.  It was okay, but one of the themes 
that kept coming up was, "sometimes the wrong train can get you to the right 
place" 

 I am not sure if you have regret, or if you do, how deep it goes.  I know I 
have some regret, but in spite of that, I feel that things have worked out 
okay.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't think its a matter of morphing - its having your eyes open to see what 
was always there. Its like having a spouse who cheats on you, and has been 
doing so since you were first married - you thought they were faithful, but you 
were wrong - then you see what was always there and you have a different 
attitude and energy around the person.
 
 On Sat, 4/5/14, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@...> wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 10:09 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I think it
 works both ways Michael.  Sometimes you look back on
 things more fondly, and sometimes the
 opposite.
 There are times when I feel I could easily slip back
 into my old TM routine along with the belief system that
 went along with that. 
 And
 then I think for others, as time goes on,  MMY is
 painted as an increasingly bad person.  Maybe when they
 left, it was, "enough of this shit, I'm outta
 here", but now MMY has morphed into a con man
 extraordinaire, an unenlightened person who just happened to
 have a bit of charisma.
 For
 me, my eyes have been opened some, but I got launched on a
 spiritual path, as I think you did.  And it is
 something for which I am immensely grateful.  Not to
 get too sentimental about it.
 
 
 ---In
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote
 :
 
 Add to that the
 fact that some of Sir Paul's friends/girlfriends say
 that he has been smoking pot for more than 40 years like
 some Brits drink tea, as in every single day. Then suddenly
 he and Ringo are stumping for David Lynch - reckon they just
 woke up one day and said "Gee, I am gonna start doing
 ads for TM and telling how lucky I was to spend a few weeks
 in India with Marshy." Lynch is giving them something
 in return for their PR, count on it. 
 
 
 On Sat, 4/5/14, salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 wrote:
 
 
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 6:19 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 1 Comment
 
 below
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 
 
 wrote :
 
 
 
 ""He was a brilliant
 
 manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just
 
 couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love
 
 regularly. At one stage I even thought I was pregnant by
 
 him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a
 
 lot of talk that he'd tried to
 
 rape"
 
 This
 
 seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in
 
  her story of the affair (I've never read it, so
 
 going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on her claim
 
 and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups
 of
 
 people at all hours of hte day and night during that time,
 
 and tehre's no way a secret affair could have happened
 
 without everyone (including him) being in on it. Campbell
 is
 
 now a practicing Buddhist.
 
 Mia
 
 Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had
 
 Jesus given her a hug, she would have taken it the wrong
 
 way.
 
 The
 
 two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money
 
 for TM some years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in
 
 interviews, and John Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono, even
 
 attended the concert.
 
 The two
 
 non-surviving Beatles, Lennon and Harrison (the ones who
 
 were actually in Rishikesh at the time of the incident),
 
 quit TM soon after getting back from India. Harrison had
 the
 
 Iskcon camping in his garden by the end of that year. They
 
 both said that chanting the Krishna mantra was the ultimate
 
 spiritual experience and did it for years, Harrison kept it
 
 up until he died, claiming it saved his life many
 
 times.
 
 Iskcon
 
 publish a book about it but they don't mention TM,
 
 saying that Harrison and Lennon had been doing a type of
 
 mantra meditation for a while.
 
 Regarding
 
 Mia Farrow, she was alone with the reesh and he tried to
 put
 
 his arms round her and get her to lie down. You don't
 
 need to know anything else do you, it's inappropriate
 
 enough without any fantasies. When L&H heard about it
 
 they announced to Marshy that they

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

Oh, Feebs, you need to read the posts in the thread before you comment. 
Especially if it's not one of your better days. Be a good idea to read the 
follow-up posts as well. 

 

 it would be at this point like this that an old girl friend would make an 
airplane sound and a gesture of a hand moving over her head. 

 Or as Audrey said to Seymour in Little Shop of Horrors, "You're acting 
peculiar Judy"
 

 

 

 What debate? I wasn't debating anything with you, just pointing out that there 
were multiple versions of the Beatles-leaving-Maharishi story. 

 What that got to do with anything? Other than deflecting the debate 

 

 

 

 

 Well, you might have a bit of a conflict with Share about this. Her infamous 
accusation that she had been "psychologically raped" by Robin emerged a month 
after the fact. At the time, what he'd said was no more than a minor 
irritation, and she apologized to Robin for being grumpy, blaming it on having 
had too much sugar the previous day. 

 Whatever happend re Mia Farrow: I don't care what she thinks of it now, what 
she said at the time was fascinating. Did she make it up and change her mind or 
was she persuaded to by everyone else? We will never know but I'd always take 
the closest account of something to the time it was supposed to have happened 
as being the most accurate, any detective will tell you that. Memory is 
unreliable and impressionable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

it would be at this point like this that an old girl friend would make an 
airplane sound and a gesture of a hand moving over her head. 

 Or as Audrey said to Seymour in Little Shop of Horrors, "You're acting 
peculiar Judy"
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What debate? I wasn't debating anything with you, just pointing out that there 
were multiple versions of the Beatles-leaving-Maharishi story. 

 

 What that got to do with anything? Other than deflecting the debate 

 Well, you might have a bit of a conflict with Share about this. Her infamous 
accusation that she had been "psychologically raped" by Robin emerged a month 
after the fact. At the time, what he'd said was no more than a minor 
irritation, and she apologized to Robin for being grumpy, blaming it on having 
had too much sugar the previous day. 

 

 

 Whatever happend re Mia Farrow: I don't care what she thinks of it now, what 
she said at the time was fascinating. Did she make it up and change her mind or 
was she persuaded to by everyone else? We will never know but I'd always take 
the closest account of something to the time it was supposed to have happened 
as being the most accurate, any detective will tell you that. Memory is 
unreliable and impressionable.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

I don't think its a matter of morphing - its having your eyes open to see what 
was always there. Its like having a spouse who cheats on you, and has been 
doing so since you were first married - you thought they were faithful, but you 
were wrong - then you see what was always there and you have a different 
attitude and energy around the person.

On Sat, 4/5/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 10:09 PM

   I think it
 works both ways Michael.  Sometimes you look back on
 things more fondly, and sometimes the
 opposite.
 There are times when I feel I could easily slip back
 into my old TM routine along with the belief system that
 went along with that. 
 And
 then I think for others, as time goes on,  MMY is
 painted as an increasingly bad person.  Maybe when they
 left, it was, "enough of this shit, I'm outta
 here", but now MMY has morphed into a con man
 extraordinaire, an unenlightened person who just happened to
 have a bit of charisma.
 For
 me, my eyes have been opened some, but I got launched on a
 spiritual path, as I think you did.  And it is
 something for which I am immensely grateful.  Not to
 get too sentimental about it.

 ---In
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote
 :

 Add to that the
 fact that some of Sir Paul's friends/girlfriends say
 that he has been smoking pot for more than 40 years like
 some Brits drink tea, as in every single day. Then suddenly
 he and Ringo are stumping for David Lynch - reckon they just
 woke up one day and said "Gee, I am gonna start doing
 ads for TM and telling how lucky I was to spend a few weeks
 in India with Marshy." Lynch is giving them something
 in return for their PR, count on it. 

  On Sat, 4/5/14, salyavin808 
 wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

 Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 6:19 AM

 1 Comment

 below

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

 wrote :

 ""He was a brilliant

 manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just

 couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love

 regularly. At one stage I even thought I was pregnant by

 him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a

 lot of talk that he'd tried to

 rape"

 This

 seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in

  her story of the affair (I've never read it, so

 going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on her claim

 and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups
 of

 people at all hours of hte day and night during that time,

 and tehre's no way a secret affair could have happened

 without everyone (including him) being in on it. Campbell
 is

 now a practicing Buddhist.

 Mia

 Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had

 Jesus given her a hug, she would have taken it the wrong

 way.

 The

 two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money

 for TM some years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in

 interviews, and John Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono, even

 attended the concert.

 The two

 non-surviving Beatles, Lennon and Harrison (the ones who

 were actually in Rishikesh at the time of the incident),

 quit TM soon after getting back from India. Harrison had
 the

 Iskcon camping in his garden by the end of that year. They

 both said that chanting the Krishna mantra was the ultimate

 spiritual experience and did it for years, Harrison kept it

 up until he died, claiming it saved his life many

 times.

 Iskcon

 publish a book about it but they don't mention TM,

 saying that Harrison and Lennon had been doing a type of

 mantra meditation for a while.

 Regarding

 Mia Farrow, she was alone with the reesh and he tried to
 put

 his arms round her and get her to lie down. You don't

 need to know anything else do you, it's inappropriate

 enough without any fantasies. When L&H heard about it

 they announced to Marshy that they were leaving and he
 asked

 why. Lennon said "If you're so cosmic, you tell

 us". 

 The

 fickleness of the famous? Or the only people who ever said

 no?

 By

 the way, wasn't it YOU, Michael, who quoted Jerry
 Jarvis

 t us, saying that he recalled Linda pierce as teh woman who

 stood up in advanced lecture recounting her dream that she

 and Maharishi got married and that Maharishi replied that

 she needed to learn to not confuse dreams with

 reality.

 years

 later, in an interview, she says that Maharishi appeared to

 her in a dream

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

if I had it to do over again, I wouldn't touch TM - ever at all.

On Sat, 4/5/14, steve.sun...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 10:09 PM

   I think it
 works both ways Michael.  Sometimes you look back on
 things more fondly, and sometimes the
 opposite.
 There are times when I feel I could easily slip back
 into my old TM routine along with the belief system that
 went along with that. 
 And
 then I think for others, as time goes on,  MMY is
 painted as an increasingly bad person.  Maybe when they
 left, it was, "enough of this shit, I'm outta
 here", but now MMY has morphed into a con man
 extraordinaire, an unenlightened person who just happened to
 have a bit of charisma.
 For
 me, my eyes have been opened some, but I got launched on a
 spiritual path, as I think you did.  And it is
 something for which I am immensely grateful.  Not to
 get too sentimental about it.

 ---In
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote
 :

 Add to that the
 fact that some of Sir Paul's friends/girlfriends say
 that he has been smoking pot for more than 40 years like
 some Brits drink tea, as in every single day. Then suddenly
 he and Ringo are stumping for David Lynch - reckon they just
 woke up one day and said "Gee, I am gonna start doing
 ads for TM and telling how lucky I was to spend a few weeks
 in India with Marshy." Lynch is giving them something
 in return for their PR, count on it. 

  On Sat, 4/5/14, salyavin808 
 wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

 Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 6:19 AM

 1 Comment

 below

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

 wrote :

 ""He was a brilliant

 manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just

 couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love

 regularly. At one stage I even thought I was pregnant by

 him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a

 lot of talk that he'd tried to

 rape"

 This

 seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in

  her story of the affair (I've never read it, so

 going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on her claim

 and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups
 of

 people at all hours of hte day and night during that time,

 and tehre's no way a secret affair could have happened

 without everyone (including him) being in on it. Campbell
 is

 now a practicing Buddhist.

 Mia

 Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had

 Jesus given her a hug, she would have taken it the wrong

 way.

 The

 two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money

 for TM some years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in

 interviews, and John Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono, even

 attended the concert.

 The two

 non-surviving Beatles, Lennon and Harrison (the ones who

 were actually in Rishikesh at the time of the incident),

 quit TM soon after getting back from India. Harrison had
 the

 Iskcon camping in his garden by the end of that year. They

 both said that chanting the Krishna mantra was the ultimate

 spiritual experience and did it for years, Harrison kept it

 up until he died, claiming it saved his life many

 times.

 Iskcon

 publish a book about it but they don't mention TM,

 saying that Harrison and Lennon had been doing a type of

 mantra meditation for a while.

 Regarding

 Mia Farrow, she was alone with the reesh and he tried to
 put

 his arms round her and get her to lie down. You don't

 need to know anything else do you, it's inappropriate

 enough without any fantasies. When L&H heard about it

 they announced to Marshy that they were leaving and he
 asked

 why. Lennon said "If you're so cosmic, you tell

 us". 

 The

 fickleness of the famous? Or the only people who ever said

 no?

 By

 the way, wasn't it YOU, Michael, who quoted Jerry
 Jarvis

 t us, saying that he recalled Linda pierce as teh woman who

 stood up in advanced lecture recounting her dream that she

 and Maharishi got married and that Maharishi replied that

 she needed to learn to not confuse dreams with

 reality.

 years

 later, in an interview, she says that Maharishi appeared to

 her in a dream and begged her to publish the book in order

 to set the record straight and help repair his horribly

 damaged karma.

 L

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

 wrote :

 Nice

 write up:

 Maharishi inspired Beatles but died leaving £2b and rape

 rumo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

I think it works both ways Michael.  Sometimes you look back on things more 
fondly, and sometimes the opposite. 

 There are times when I feel I could easily slip back into my old TM routine 
along with the belief system that went along with that. 
 

 And then I think for others, as time goes on,  MMY is painted as an 
increasingly bad person.  Maybe when they left, it was, "enough of this shit, 
I'm outta here", but now MMY has morphed into a con man extraordinaire, an 
unenlightened person who just happened to have a bit of charisma.
 

 For me, my eyes have been opened some, but I got launched on a spiritual path, 
as I think you did.  And it is something for which I am immensely grateful.  
Not to get too sentimental about it.
 

 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Add to that the fact that some of Sir Paul's friends/girlfriends say that he 
has been smoking pot for more than 40 years like some Brits drink tea, as in 
every single day. Then suddenly he and Ringo are stumping for David Lynch - 
reckon they just woke up one day and said "Gee, I am gonna start doing ads for 
TM and telling how lucky I was to spend a few weeks in India with Marshy." 
Lynch is giving them something in return for their PR, count on it. 
 
 On Sat, 4/5/14, salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 6:19 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 1 Comment
 below
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 

 wrote :
 
 ""He was a brilliant
 manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just
 couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love
 regularly. At one stage I even thought I was pregnant by
 him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a
 lot of talk that he'd tried to
 rape"
 This
 seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in
  her story of the affair (I've never read it, so
 going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on her claim
 and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups of
 people at all hours of hte day and night during that time,
 and tehre's no way a secret affair could have happened
 without everyone (including him) being in on it. Campbell is
 now a practicing Buddhist.
 Mia
 Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had
 Jesus given her a hug, she would have taken it the wrong
 way.
 The
 two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money
 for TM some years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in
 interviews, and John Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono, even
 attended the concert.
 The two
 non-surviving Beatles, Lennon and Harrison (the ones who
 were actually in Rishikesh at the time of the incident),
 quit TM soon after getting back from India. Harrison had the
 Iskcon camping in his garden by the end of that year. They
 both said that chanting the Krishna mantra was the ultimate
 spiritual experience and did it for years, Harrison kept it
 up until he died, claiming it saved his life many
 times.
 Iskcon
 publish a book about it but they don't mention TM,
 saying that Harrison and Lennon had been doing a type of
 mantra meditation for a while.
 Regarding
 Mia Farrow, she was alone with the reesh and he tried to put
 his arms round her and get her to lie down. You don't
 need to know anything else do you, it's inappropriate
 enough without any fantasies. When L&H heard about it
 they announced to Marshy that they were leaving and he asked
 why. Lennon said "If you're so cosmic, you tell
 us". 
 The
 fickleness of the famous? Or the only people who ever said
 no?
 
 By
 the way, wasn't it YOU, Michael, who quoted Jerry Jarvis
 t us, saying that he recalled Linda pierce as teh woman who
 stood up in advanced lecture recounting her dream that she
 and Maharishi got married and that Maharishi replied that
 she needed to learn to not confuse dreams with
 reality.
 years
 later, in an interview, she says that Maharishi appeared to
 her in a dream and begged her to publish the book in order
 to set the record straight and help repair his horribly
 damaged karma.
 
 L
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 

 wrote :
 
 Nice
 write up:
 
 
 
 Maharishi inspired Beatles but died leaving £2b and rape
 rumours
 
 The Mirror, UK/February 7, 2008
 
 By Nick Webster
 
 
 
 He inspired the Beatles and promised world peace but died
 leaving £2 billion amid rumours of rape and murder
 
 
 
 He was the Sixth Beatle, a spiritual force with the
 potential to create world peace and end famine.
 
 
 
 Or he was an avaricious old man with a penchant for young
 girls who ruined the greatest pop group in history.
 
 
 
 It rather depends on your point of view, but

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy


 
Don't think so, he had moved out of HQ by the time I was there. The name is 
very familiar though, we probably met on an NLP campaign or rounding course 
somewhere.
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ever meet that guy?
 
 On Sat, 4/5/14, salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 5:45 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Love this bit:The
 guru's man in Britain, Jonathan Hynde, who holds the
 grand title of Minister for the Development of
 Consciousness said, "The Maharishi is celibate. He's a
 monk. He just couldn't lower himself to talk of this
 sort of thing. Mrs Pearce can say what she likes.
 I'll deny
 it on the Maharishi's behalf."
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 

 wrote :
 
 The Linda Pearce
 comments seem to stem from the following 
article:http://www.culteducation.com/group/1195-transcendental-meditation-movement/20543-sexy-romps-of-the-beatles-giggling-guru.html
 
http://www.culteducation.com/group/1195-transcendental-meditation-movement/20543-sexy-romps-of-the-beatles-giggling-guru.html
 
 This article was also quoted before on FFL by
 WillyTex in April 2010 and Curtis in July
 2010.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy



Maybe you were taking the word debate too literally?  I sort of think when one 
person says something and someone replies with something else a debate is going 
on. Maybe that's something else, conversational exchange perhaps. I'm not 
getting the thesaurus out at this time of night... 

 But it doesn't matter, we won't know the truth until I get my Time Machine up 
and running. We'll have to make do with speculation but I think I'm right about 
taking the closest version to the event as most likely.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, just making an observation given what you said about detectives assuming 
the first version of a story is the most accurate one, which I thought was 
interesting given Share's take on her kerfuffle with Robin. No comment from you 
necessary. 

 I am curious as to what you thought you were debating with me about, though, 
regarding the Maharishi story.
 

 

 

 Oh right, you just wanted me to go beat up on Share? Fair enough. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What debate? I wasn't debating anything with you, just pointing out that there 
were multiple versions of the Beatles-leaving-Maharishi story. 

 

 What that got to do with anything? Other than deflecting the debate 

 Well, you might have a bit of a conflict with Share about this. Her infamous 
accusation that she had been "psychologically raped" by Robin emerged a month 
after the fact. At the time, what he'd said was no more than a minor 
irritation, and she apologized to Robin for being grumpy, blaming it on having 
had too much sugar the previous day. 

 

 

 Whatever happend re Mia Farrow: I don't care what she thinks of it now, what 
she said at the time was fascinating. Did she make it up and change her mind or 
was she persuaded to by everyone else? We will never know but I'd always take 
the closest account of something to the time it was supposed to have happened 
as being the most accurate, any detective will tell you that. Memory is 
unreliable and impressionable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

No, just making an observation given what you said about detectives assuming 
the first version of a story is the most accurate one, which I thought was 
interesting given Share's take on her kerfuffle with Robin. No comment from you 
necessary. 

 I am curious as to what you thought you were debating with me about, though, 
regarding the Maharishi story.
 

 

 

 Oh right, you just wanted me to go beat up on Share? Fair enough. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What debate? I wasn't debating anything with you, just pointing out that there 
were multiple versions of the Beatles-leaving-Maharishi story. 

 

 What that got to do with anything? Other than deflecting the debate 

 Well, you might have a bit of a conflict with Share about this. Her infamous 
accusation that she had been "psychologically raped" by Robin emerged a month 
after the fact. At the time, what he'd said was no more than a minor 
irritation, and she apologized to Robin for being grumpy, blaming it on having 
had too much sugar the previous day. 

 

 

 Whatever happend re Mia Farrow: I don't care what she thinks of it now, what 
she said at the time was fascinating. Did she make it up and change her mind or 
was she persuaded to by everyone else? We will never know but I'd always take 
the closest account of something to the time it was supposed to have happened 
as being the most accurate, any detective will tell you that. Memory is 
unreliable and impressionable.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

Ever meet that guy?

On Sat, 4/5/14, salyavin808  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 5:45 PM

 Love this bit:The
 guru's man in Britain, Jonathan Hynde, who holds the
 grand title of Minister for the Development of
 Consciousness said, "The Maharishi is celibate. He's a
 monk. He just couldn't lower himself to talk of this
 sort of thing. Mrs Pearce can say what she likes.
 I'll deny
 it on the Maharishi's behalf."

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 The Linda Pearce
 comments seem to stem from the following 
article:http://www.culteducation.com/group/1195-transcendental-meditation-movement/20543-sexy-romps-of-the-beatles-giggling-guru.html

 This article was also quoted before on FFL by
 WillyTex in April 2010 and Curtis in July
 2010.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

Its neither spite nor envy and fame is not something that impresses me - 
Russell Brand and Howard Stern both have more fame and money than I do and I 
wouldn't trade places with either of them - if that's the kind of behavior TM 
brings they can keep it. As to Sir P and Ring Tailed Wowzzel, its obvious they 
are doing the TM PR thing for some unstated reason - maybe they are getting 
paid, maybe they are getting laid, maybe they are doing it as a favor for D. 
Lynch, but you don't go for decades showing no interest in something and in 
fact smoking pot everyday which is not exactly TM Vedically proper and then 
begin giving benefit concerts out of the blue. 

The truth will out, said the Bard and it will in this case, eventually. 

On Sat, 4/5/14, nablusoss1008  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 3:05 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   
 Correct me if I'm
 wrong but it seems both Sir Paul and Ringo are slightly
 more talented and successful than yourself. Your spite could
 be simple envy.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 Add to that the
 fact that some of Sir Paul's friends/girlfriends say
 that he has been smoking pot for more than 40 years like
 some Brits drink tea, as in every single day. Then suddenly
 he and Ringo are stumping for David Lynch - reckon they just
 woke up one day and said "Gee, I am gonna start doing
 ads for TM and telling how lucky I was to spend a few weeks
 in India with Marshy." Lynch is giving them something
 in return for their PR, count on it. 
 
 
  On Sat, 4/5/14, salyavin808 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 6:19 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 1 Comment
 
 below
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 
 
 wrote :
 
 
 
 ""He was a brilliant
 
 manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just
 
 couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love
 
 regularly. At one stage I even thought I was pregnant by
 
 him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a
 
 lot of talk that he'd tried to
 
 rape"
 
 This
 
 seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in
 
  her story of the affair (I've never read it, so
 
 going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on her claim
 
 and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups
 of
 
 people at all hours of hte day and night during that time,
 
 and tehre's no way a secret affair could have happened
 
 without everyone (including him) being in on it. Campbell
 is
 
 now a practicing Buddhist.
 
 Mia
 
 Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had
 
 Jesus given her a hug, she would have taken it the wrong
 
 way.
 
 The
 
 two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money
 
 for TM some years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in
 
 interviews, and John Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono, even
 
 attended the concert.
 
 The two
 
 non-surviving Beatles, Lennon and Harrison (the ones who
 
 were actually in Rishikesh at the time of the incident),
 
 quit TM soon after getting back from India. Harrison had
 the
 
 Iskcon camping in his garden by the end of that year. They
 
 both said that chanting the Krishna mantra was the ultimate
 
 spiritual experience and did it for years, Harrison kept it
 
 up until he died, claiming it saved his life many
 
 times.
 
 Iskcon
 
 publish a book about it but they don't mention TM,
 
 saying that Harrison and Lennon had been doing a type of
 
 mantra meditation for a while.
 
 Regarding
 
 Mia Farrow, she was alone with the reesh and he tried to
 put
 
 his arms round her and get her to lie down. You don't
 
 need to know anything else do you, it's inappropriate
 
 enough without any fantasies. When L&H heard about it
 
 they announced to Marshy that they were leaving and he
 asked
 
 why. Lennon said "If you're so cosmic, you tell
 
 us". 
 
 The
 
 fickleness of the famous? Or the only people who ever said
 
 no?
 
 
 
 By
 
 the way, wasn't it YOU, Michael, who quoted Jerry
 Jarvis
 
 t us, saying that he recalled Linda pierce as teh woman who
 
 stood up in advanced lecture recounting her dream that she
 
 and Maharishi got married and that Maharishi replied that
 
 she needed to learn to not confuse dreams with
 
 reality.
 
 years
 
 later, in an interview, she says that Maharishi appeared to
 
 her in a dream and begged her to publish the book in order
 
 to set the record straight and help repair his horribly
 
 damaged karma.
 
 
 
 L
 
 
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
 
 
 wrote :
 
 
 
 Nice
 
 write up:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

that is good - and an excellent source of non-sycophantic info on the Movement
and of course that dear old marshy - here is one good quote from one of the
"losers" and "quiters" Nappy Nabby and Bucky Barnes after refer to:

One TM critic is Mitch Kapor, who founded Lotus Software and the Electronic
Frontier Foundation, the international non-profit advocacy organization. Kapor
was involved with TM for seven years until 1976 and trained as a TM teacher.
"TM is heavily promoted as a scientifically-validated, secular method of stress
reduction," says Kapor, "whereas in fact the TM technique is inextricably bound
up in a religious Hindu tradition, as is obvious to anyone who considers the
mandatory TM initiation ceremony and the supposedly secret mantras. Proponents
of TM twist themselves into pretzels to deny or explain away these inconvenient
facts, but the real reason they do such things is as part of a drive to recruit
as many people as possible into the TM movement." Kapor has strong objections
to the program being taught in schools, despite initially experiencing some
relaxation benefits from TM himself. Kapor believes that the twice-daily
sessions being introduced in
schools are designed to recruit members to the movement, who will then become
much more involved.

On Sat, 4/5/14, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 2:35 PM

The Linda Pearce comments seem to stem from the
following
article:http://www.culteducation.com/group/1195-transcendental-meditation-movement/20543-sexy-romps-of-the-beatles-giggling-guru.html

This article was also quoted before on FFL by
WillyTex in April 2010 and Curtis in July
2010.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
wrote :

I get a lot of
thigns wrong, thanks for the correction.
L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
wrote :

and
you are incorrect I never said that about Jerry. And as I
recall it was Judith Bourque who had that dream, not Linda
Pearce, so you got that wrong too.

On Sat, 4/5/14,
LEnglish5@...
wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 7:00 AM

I spent most of it addressing one specific passage

and pointed out that Michael had already (IIRC) correctly

quoted someone who cast doubt on much of her story.

Is that called "shooting the messenger?" I
thought

that was a different thing, but o well.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

wrote :

You realize, do you not, that you just spent an

entire post "shooting the messengers" to protect

the image of a dead man, right? And you wonder why people

consider you a cult apologist.

From:

"LEnglish5@..."

To:

FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

Sent:

Saturday, April 5, 2014 7:14 AM

Subject:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

""He was a brilliant

manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just

couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love

regularly. At one stage I even thought I was pregnant by

him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a

lot of talk that he'd tried to

rape"

This

seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in

her story of the affair (I've never read it, so

going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on her claim

and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups
of

people at all hours of hte day and night during that time,

and tehre's no way a secret affair could have happened

without everyone (including him) being in on it. Campbell
is

now a practicing Buddhist.

Mia

Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had

Jesus given her a hug, she would have taken it the wrong

way.

The

two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money

for TM some years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in

interviews, and John Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono, even

attended the concert.

the way, wasn't it YOU, Michael, who quoted Jerry
Jarvis

t us, saying that he recalled Linda pierce as teh woman who

stood up in advanced lecture recounting her dream that she

and Maharishi got married and that Maharishi replied that

she needed to learn to not confuse dreams with

reality.

years

later, in an interview, she says that Maharishi appeared to

her in a dream and begged her to publish the book in order

to set the record straight and help

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy



 

Oh right, you just wanted me to go beat up on Share? Fair enough.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What debate? I wasn't debating anything with you, just pointing out that there 
were multiple versions of the Beatles-leaving-Maharishi story. 

 

 What that got to do with anything? Other than deflecting the debate 

 Well, you might have a bit of a conflict with Share about this. Her infamous 
accusation that she had been "psychologically raped" by Robin emerged a month 
after the fact. At the time, what he'd said was no more than a minor 
irritation, and she apologized to Robin for being grumpy, blaming it on having 
had too much sugar the previous day. 

 

 

 Whatever happend re Mia Farrow: I don't care what she thinks of it now, what 
she said at the time was fascinating. Did she make it up and change her mind or 
was she persuaded to by everyone else? We will never know but I'd always take 
the closest account of something to the time it was supposed to have happened 
as being the most accurate, any detective will tell you that. Memory is 
unreliable and impressionable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

What debate? I wasn't debating anything with you, just pointing out that there 
were multiple versions of the Beatles-leaving-Maharishi story. 

 

 What that got to do with anything? Other than deflecting the debate 

 Well, you might have a bit of a conflict with Share about this. Her infamous 
accusation that she had been "psychologically raped" by Robin emerged a month 
after the fact. At the time, what he'd said was no more than a minor 
irritation, and she apologized to Robin for being grumpy, blaming it on having 
had too much sugar the previous day. 

 

 

 Whatever happend re Mia Farrow: I don't care what she thinks of it now, what 
she said at the time was fascinating. Did she make it up and change her mind or 
was she persuaded to by everyone else? We will never know but I'd always take 
the closest account of something to the time it was supposed to have happened 
as being the most accurate, any detective will tell you that. Memory is 
unreliable and impressionable.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy



 Love this bit:
 The guru's man in Britain, Jonathan Hynde, who holds the grand title of 
Minister for the Development of Consciousness said, "The Maharishi is celibate. 
He's a monk. He just couldn't lower himself to talk of this sort of thing. Mrs 
Pearce can say what she likes. I'll deny it on the Maharishi's behalf."
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The Linda Pearce comments seem to stem from the following article: 
http://www.culteducation.com/group/1195-transcendental-meditation-movement/20543-sexy-romps-of-the-beatles-giggling-guru.html
 
http://www.culteducation.com/group/1195-transcendental-meditation-movement/20543-sexy-romps-of-the-beatles-giggling-guru.html

 

 This article was also quoted before on FFL by WillyTex in April 2010 and 
Curtis in July 2010.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy


 What that got to do with anything? Other than deflecting the debate
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well, you might have a bit of a conflict with Share about this. Her infamous 
accusation that she had been "psychologically raped" by Robin emerged a month 
after the fact. At the time, what he'd said was no more than a minor 
irritation, and she apologized to Robin for being grumpy, blaming it on having 
had too much sugar the previous day. 

 

 

 Whatever happend re Mia Farrow: I don't care what she thinks of it now, what 
she said at the time was fascinating. Did she make it up and change her mind or 
was she persuaded to by everyone else? We will never know but I'd always take 
the closest account of something to the time it was supposed to have happened 
as being the most accurate, any detective will tell you that. Memory is 
unreliable and impressionable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

Well, you might have a bit of a conflict with Share about this. Her infamous 
accusation that she had been "psychologically raped" by Robin emerged a month 
after the fact. At the time, what he'd said was no more than a minor 
irritation, and she apologized to Robin for being grumpy, blaming it on having 
had too much sugar the previous day. 

 

 

 Whatever happend re Mia Farrow: I don't care what she thinks of it now, what 
she said at the time was fascinating. Did she make it up and change her mind or 
was she persuaded to by everyone else? We will never know but I'd always take 
the closest account of something to the time it was supposed to have happened 
as being the most accurate, any detective will tell you that. Memory is 
unreliable and impressionable.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

Here's another version. A friend of mine was on the course and he was really
honoured to be doing his TTC in Rishikesh. He'd saved, begged and borrowed the
money to attend. And then the Beatles and their entourage and endless
journalists turned up and ruined it for everyone, keeping their own hours,
having parties and strolling around in their hippy gear, always demanding
private audiences with Marshy (and getting them). The self-centred gits ruined
the atmosphere and flow of the course, apparently everyone was so pleased when
they all left.
Whatever happend re Mia Farrow: I don't care what she thinks of it now, what
she said at the time was fascinating. Did she make it up and change her mind or
was she persuaded to by everyone else? We will never know but I'd always take
the closest account of something to the time it was supposed to have happened
as being the most accurate, any detective will tell you that. Memory is
unreliable and impressionable.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

http://www.beatles-unlimited.com/2008/02/10/cynthia-lennon-the-beatles-the-maharishi-and-me/

For Magic Alex's version, see here (pages 8 and 9):

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf

But if the issue is whether Maharishi was or wasn't celibate, which of the
above versions (if any) is the correct one is irrelevant, since we know from
other sources that he wasn't.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Correct me if I'm wrong...
 

 When has that ever changed anything?
 

 ...but it seems both Sir Paul and Ringo are slightly more talented and 
successful than yourself. Your spite could be simple envy.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Add to that the fact that some of Sir Paul's friends/girlfriends say that he 
has been smoking pot for more than 40 years like some Brits drink tea, as in 
every single day. Then suddenly he and Ringo are stumping for David Lynch - 
reckon they just woke up one day and said "Gee, I am gonna start doing ads for 
TM and telling how lucky I was to spend a few weeks in India with Marshy." 
Lynch is giving them something in return for their PR, count on it. 
 
 On Sat, 4/5/14, salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 6:19 AM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

http://www.beatles-unlimited.com/2008/02/10/cynthia-lennon-the-beatles-the-maharishi-and-me/

For Magic Alex's version, see here (pages 8 and 9):

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/arts/Mardas.pdf

But if the issue is whether Maharishi was or wasn't celibate, which of the
above versions (if any) is the correct one is irrelevant, since we know from
other sources that he wasn't.

Really? That's how the story goes, last read by me in that definitive book
about the Beatles released 10-ish years ago.

The fact her sister is a TM teacher means nothing to me about anything. Except
maybe she might want to always paint the movement in a good light. I read
somewhere that they do that a lot.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

1 Comment below

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Mia Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had Jesus given her
a hug, she would have taken it the wrong way.

The two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money for TM some
years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in interviews, and John Lennon's widow,
Yoko Ono, even attended the concert.

Iskcon publish a book about it but they don't mention TM, saying that Harrison
and Lennon had been doing a type of mantra meditation for a while.

The fickleness of the famous? Or the only people who ever said no?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-05 Thread nablusoss1008


 Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems both Sir Paul and Ringo are slightly more 
talented and successful than yourself. Your spite could be simple envy.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Add to that the fact that some of Sir Paul's friends/girlfriends say that he 
has been smoking pot for more than 40 years like some Brits drink tea, as in 
every single day. Then suddenly he and Ringo are stumping for David Lynch - 
reckon they just woke up one day and said "Gee, I am gonna start doing ads for 
TM and telling how lucky I was to spend a few weeks in India with Marshy." 
Lynch is giving them something in return for their PR, count on it. 
 
 On Sat, 4/5/14, salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 6:19 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 1 Comment
 below
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 

 wrote :
 
 ""He was a brilliant
 manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just
 couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love
 regularly. At one stage I even thought I was pregnant by
 him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a
 lot of talk that he'd tried to
 rape"
 This
 seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in
  her story of the affair (I've never read it, so
 going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on her claim
 and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups of
 people at all hours of hte day and night during that time,
 and tehre's no way a secret affair could have happened
 without everyone (including him) being in on it. Campbell is
 now a practicing Buddhist.
 Mia
 Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had
 Jesus given her a hug, she would have taken it the wrong
 way.
 The
 two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money
 for TM some years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in
 interviews, and John Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono, even
 attended the concert.
 The two
 non-surviving Beatles, Lennon and Harrison (the ones who
 were actually in Rishikesh at the time of the incident),
 quit TM soon after getting back from India. Harrison had the
 Iskcon camping in his garden by the end of that year. They
 both said that chanting the Krishna mantra was the ultimate
 spiritual experience and did it for years, Harrison kept it
 up until he died, claiming it saved his life many
 times.
 Iskcon
 publish a book about it but they don't mention TM,
 saying that Harrison and Lennon had been doing a type of
 mantra meditation for a while.
 Regarding
 Mia Farrow, she was alone with the reesh and he tried to put
 his arms round her and get her to lie down. You don't
 need to know anything else do you, it's inappropriate
 enough without any fantasies. When L&H heard about it
 they announced to Marshy that they were leaving and he asked
 why. Lennon said "If you're so cosmic, you tell
 us". 
 The
 fickleness of the famous? Or the only people who ever said
 no?
 
 By
 the way, wasn't it YOU, Michael, who quoted Jerry Jarvis
 t us, saying that he recalled Linda pierce as teh woman who
 stood up in advanced lecture recounting her dream that she
 and Maharishi got married and that Maharishi replied that
 she needed to learn to not confuse dreams with
 reality.
 years
 later, in an interview, she says that Maharishi appeared to
 her in a dream and begged her to publish the book in order
 to set the record straight and help repair his horribly
 damaged karma.
 
 L
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 

 wrote :
 
 Nice
 write up:
 
 
 
 Maharishi inspired Beatles but died leaving £2b and rape
 rumours
 
 The Mirror, UK/February 7, 2008
 
 By Nick Webster
 
 
 
 He inspired the Beatles and promised world peace but died
 leaving £2 billion amid rumours of rape and murder
 
 
 
 He was the Sixth Beatle, a spiritual force with the
 potential to create world peace and end famine.
 
 
 
 Or he was an avaricious old man with a penchant for young
 girls who ruined the greatest pop group in history.
 
 
 
 It rather depends on your point of view, but one thing is
 certain about the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who died this week
 aged somewhere between 91 and 97 - he was one of the richest
 religious leaders in history.
 
 
 
 The 'giggling guru' - so called because of his
 high-pitched laugh - lived in an opulent 200-room mansion,
 with helicopters and dozens of cars at his disposal, and was
 worth an estimated £2billion.
 
 
 
 He was the head of a movement with five million followers
 worldwide, all seeking a higher consciousness through
 transcendental meditation.
 
 
 
 But while the Maharishi promised world peace, and cynics
 laughed

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy



Really? That's how the story goes, last read by me in that definitive book 
about the Beatles released 10-ish years ago.  

 The fact her sister is a TM teacher means nothing to me about anything. Except 
maybe she might want to always paint the movement in a good light. I read 
somewhere that they do that a lot.
 

 You should get down the local Krishna restaraunt and get a copy of Chant and 
be Happy it's all about the Beatles and Krishna, boy will you see them in a new 
light. In fact you will see the power of selective editing at work. The TMO 
never mentions H&L's devotion to Krishna and the Isckon book doesn't mention 
TM. LOL, these cults and their obsession with one-upmanship.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I havent been able to find an account by Mia Farrow where she says that MMY 
attempted to get her to lie down, just that he started to give her a hug.  At 
least, that is what her autobiography says. She may have watered down her story 
from the time of the incident. Her sister is an active TM teacher, after all. 
Continually attacking her sister's teacher would be a bad way to keep peace in 
the family. 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 1 Comment below

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ""He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just couldn't see that 
he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly. At one stage I even thought I 
was pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a lot of 
talk that he'd tried to rape"
 

 This seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in  her story of the 
affair (I've never read it, so going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on 
her claim and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups of people 
at all hours of hte day and night during that time, and tehre's no way a secret 
affair could have happened without everyone (including him) being in on it. 
Campbell is now a practicing Buddhist.
 

 Mia Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had Jesus given her 
a hug, she would have taken it the wrong way.
 

 The two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money for TM some 
years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in interviews, and John Lennon's widow, 
Yoko Ono, even attended the concert.
 

 The two non-surviving Beatles, Lennon and Harrison (the ones who were actually 
in Rishikesh at the time of the incident), quit TM soon after getting back from 
India. Harrison had the Iskcon camping in his garden by the end of that year. 
They both said that chanting the Krishna mantra was the ultimate spiritual 
experience and did it for years, Harrison kept it up until he died, claiming it 
saved his life many times.
 

 Iskcon publish a book about it but they don't mention TM, saying that Harrison 
and Lennon had been doing a type of mantra meditation for a while.
 

 Regarding Mia Farrow, she was alone with the reesh and he tried to put his 
arms round her and get her to lie down. You don't need to know anything else do 
you, it's inappropriate enough without any fantasies. When L&H heard about it 
they announced to Marshy that they were leaving and he asked why. Lennon said 
"If you're so cosmic, you tell us". 
 

 The fickleness of the famous? Or the only people who ever said no?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-05 Thread anartaxius

The Linda Pearce comments seem to stem from the following article:
http://www.culteducation.com/group/1195-transcendental-meditation-movement/20543-sexy-romps-of-the-beatles-giggling-guru.html

http://www.culteducation.com/group/1195-transcendental-meditation-movement/20543-sexy-romps-of-the-beatles-giggling-guru.html

This article was also quoted before on FFL by WillyTex in April 2010 and
Curtis in July 2010.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

I get a lot of thigns wrong, thanks for the correction.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

and you are incorrect I never said that about Jerry. And as I recall it was
Judith Bourque who had that dream, not Linda Pearce, so you got that wrong too.

On Sat, 4/5/14, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 7:00 AM

I spent most of it addressing one specific passage
and pointed out that Michael had already (IIRC) correctly
quoted someone who cast doubt on much of her story.
Is that called "shooting the messenger?" I thought
that was a different thing, but o well.

L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

wrote :

You realize, do you not, that you just spent an
entire post "shooting the messengers" to protect
the image of a dead man, right? And you wonder why people
consider you a cult apologist.

From:
"LEnglish5@..."
To:
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
Saturday, April 5, 2014 7:14 AM
Subject:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

""He was a brilliant
manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just
couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love
regularly. At one stage I even thought I was pregnant by
him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a
lot of talk that he'd tried to
rape"
This
seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in
her story of the affair (I've never read it, so
going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on her claim
and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups of
people at all hours of hte day and night during that time,
and tehre's no way a secret affair could have happened
without everyone (including him) being in on it. Campbell is
now a practicing Buddhist.
Mia
Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had
Jesus given her a hug, she would have taken it the wrong
way.
The
two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money
for TM some years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in
interviews, and John Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono, even
attended the concert.
By
the way, wasn't it YOU, Michael, who quoted Jerry Jarvis
t us, saying that he recalled Linda pierce as teh woman who
stood up in advanced lecture recounting her dream that she
and Maharishi got married and that Maharishi replied that
she needed to learn to not confuse dreams with
reality.
years
later, in an interview, she says that Maharishi appeared to
her in a dream and begged her to publish the book in order
to set the record straight and help repair his horribly
damaged karma.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
wrote :

Nice
write up:

Maharishi inspired Beatles but died leaving £2b and rape
rumours

The Mirror, UK/February 7, 2008

By Nick Webster

He inspired the Beatles and promised world peace but died
leaving £2 billion amid rumours of rape and murder

He was the Sixth Beatle, a spiritual force with the
potential to create world peace and end famine.

Or he was an avaricious old man with a penchant for young
girls who ruined the greatest pop group in history.

It rather depends on your point of view, but one thing is
certain about the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who died this week
aged somewhere between 91 and 97 - he was one of the richest
religious leaders in history.

The 'giggling guru' - so called because of his
high-pitched laugh - lived in an opulent 200-room mansion,
with helicopters and dozens of cars at his disposal, and was
worth an estimated £2billion.

He was the head of a movement with five million followers
worldwide, all seeking a higher consciousness through
transcendental meditation.

But while the Maharishi promised world peace, and cynics
laughed at his wacky teachings and yogic flying, sinister
stories of sex, debauchery, and even murder cast dark
shadows over his life.

All but one of the Beatles cut their ties with their
apparently celibate guru after it emerged he'd made a
pass at Mia Farrow. The

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

No work today - today is devoted to chi gung practice and my writing, mainly. 

On Sat, 4/5/14, Richard J. Williams  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 1:46 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   On 4/5/2014 5:22 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 
 > No it wasn't me that said that - all I said is the
 my friend Bill 
 
 > Kossler has had a number of conversations with Jerry
 over the past few 
 
 > months and asked him about allegations of M's
 sexual indiscretions. 
 
 > Jerry said he never saw anything that would give
 credence to the claims.
 
  >
 
 You got to work really early this morning!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-05 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 4/5/2014 5:22 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> No it wasn't me that said that - all I said is the my friend Bill 
> Kossler has had a number of conversations with Jerry over the past few 
> months and asked him about allegations of M's sexual indiscretions. 
> Jerry said he never saw anything that would give credence to the claims.
 >
You got to work really early this morning!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

I get a lot of thigns wrong, thanks for the correction. 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 and you are incorrect I never said that about Jerry. And as I recall it was 
Judith Bourque who had that dream, not Linda Pearce, so you got that wrong too.
 
 On Sat, 4/5/14, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@...> wrote:
 
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 7:00 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I spent most of it addressing one specific passage
 and pointed out that Michael had already (IIRC) correctly
 quoted someone who cast doubt on much of her story.
 Is that called "shooting the messenger?" I thought
 that was a different thing, but o well.
 
 L
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 

 wrote :
 
 You realize, do you not, that you just spent an
 entire post "shooting the messengers" to protect
 the image of a dead man, right? And you wonder why people
 consider you a cult apologist.
 
 
 From:
 "LEnglish5@..." 
 To:
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent:
 Saturday, April 5, 2014 7:14 AM
 Subject:
 [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 
 
  ""He was a brilliant
 manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just
 couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love
 regularly. At one stage I even thought I was pregnant by
 him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a
 lot of talk that he'd tried to
 rape"
 This
 seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in
  her story of the affair (I've never read it, so
 going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on her claim
 and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups of
 people at all hours of hte day and night during that time,
 and tehre's no way a secret affair could have happened
 without everyone (including him) being in on it. Campbell is
 now a practicing Buddhist.
 Mia
 Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had
 Jesus given her a hug, she would have taken it the wrong
 way.
 The
 two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money
 for TM some years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in
 interviews, and John Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono, even
 attended the concert.
 By
 the way, wasn't it YOU, Michael, who quoted Jerry Jarvis
 t us, saying that he recalled Linda pierce as teh woman who
 stood up in advanced lecture recounting her dream that she
 and Maharishi got married and that Maharishi replied that
 she needed to learn to not confuse dreams with
 reality.
 years
 later, in an interview, she says that Maharishi appeared to
 her in a dream and begged her to publish the book in order
 to set the record straight and help repair his horribly
 damaged karma.
 
 L
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  wrote :
 
 Nice
 write up:
 
 
 
 Maharishi inspired Beatles but died leaving £2b and rape
 rumours
 
 The Mirror, UK/February 7, 2008
 
 By Nick Webster
 
 
 
 He inspired the Beatles and promised world peace but died
 leaving £2 billion amid rumours of rape and murder
 
 
 
 He was the Sixth Beatle, a spiritual force with the
 potential to create world peace and end famine.
 
 
 
 Or he was an avaricious old man with a penchant for young
 girls who ruined the greatest pop group in history.
 
 
 
 It rather depends on your point of view, but one thing is
 certain about the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who died this week
 aged somewhere between 91 and 97 - he was one of the richest
 religious leaders in history.
 
 
 
 The 'giggling guru' - so called because of his
 high-pitched laugh - lived in an opulent 200-room mansion,
 with helicopters and dozens of cars at his disposal, and was
 worth an estimated £2billion.
 
 
 
 He was the head of a movement with five million followers
 worldwide, all seeking a higher consciousness through
 transcendental meditation.
 
 
 
 But while the Maharishi promised world peace, and cynics
 laughed at his wacky teachings and yogic flying, sinister
 stories of sex, debauchery, and even murder cast dark
 shadows over his life.
 
 
 
 All but one of the Beatles cut their ties with their
 apparently celibate guru after it emerged he'd made a
 pass at Mia Farrow. The Maharishi's people, on the other
 hand, insist they simply fell out when he discovered the
 band were using LSD.
 
 
 
 Later another British disciple, Linda Pearce claimed the
 Maharishi had seduced her when he was in his 60s.
 
 
 
 "He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce.
 "I just couldn't see that he was a dirty old man.
 We made love regularly. At one stage I even thought I was
 pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl.
 There was a lot of talk that he'

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

I havent been able to find an account by Mia Farrow where she says that MMY 
attempted to get her to lie down, just that he started to give her a hug.  At 
least, that is what her autobiography says. She may have watered down her story 
from the time of the incident. Her sister is an active TM teacher, after all. 
Continually attacking her sister's teacher would be a bad way to keep peace in 
the family. 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 1 Comment below

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ""He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just couldn't see that 
he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly. At one stage I even thought I 
was pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a lot of 
talk that he'd tried to rape"
 

 This seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in  her story of the 
affair (I've never read it, so going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on 
her claim and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups of people 
at all hours of hte day and night during that time, and tehre's no way a secret 
affair could have happened without everyone (including him) being in on it. 
Campbell is now a practicing Buddhist.
 

 Mia Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had Jesus given her 
a hug, she would have taken it the wrong way.
 

 The two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money for TM some 
years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in interviews, and John Lennon's widow, 
Yoko Ono, even attended the concert.
 

 The two non-surviving Beatles, Lennon and Harrison (the ones who were actually 
in Rishikesh at the time of the incident), quit TM soon after getting back from 
India. Harrison had the Iskcon camping in his garden by the end of that year. 
They both said that chanting the Krishna mantra was the ultimate spiritual 
experience and did it for years, Harrison kept it up until he died, claiming it 
saved his life many times.
 

 Iskcon publish a book about it but they don't mention TM, saying that Harrison 
and Lennon had been doing a type of mantra meditation for a while.
 

 Regarding Mia Farrow, she was alone with the reesh and he tried to put his 
arms round her and get her to lie down. You don't need to know anything else do 
you, it's inappropriate enough without any fantasies. When L&H heard about it 
they announced to Marshy that they were leaving and he asked why. Lennon said 
"If you're so cosmic, you tell us". 
 

 The fickleness of the famous? Or the only people who ever said no?
 

 

 By the way, wasn't it YOU, Michael, who quoted Jerry Jarvis t us, saying that 
he recalled Linda pierce as teh woman who stood up in advanced lecture 
recounting her dream that she and Maharishi got married and that Maharishi 
replied that she needed to learn to not confuse dreams with reality.
 

 years later, in an interview, she says that Maharishi appeared to her in a 
dream and begged her to publish the book in order to set the record straight 
and help repair his horribly damaged karma.
 

 

 L
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nice write up:
 
 Maharishi inspired Beatles but died leaving £2b and rape rumours
 The Mirror, UK/February 7, 2008
 By Nick Webster
 
 He inspired the Beatles and promised world peace but died leaving £2 billion 
amid rumours of rape and murder
 
 He was the Sixth Beatle, a spiritual force with the potential to create world 
peace and end famine.
 
 Or he was an avaricious old man with a penchant for young girls who ruined the 
greatest pop group in history.
 
 It rather depends on your point of view, but one thing is certain about the 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who died this week aged somewhere between 91 and 97 - he 
was one of the richest religious leaders in history.
 
 The 'giggling guru' - so called because of his high-pitched laugh - lived in 
an opulent 200-room mansion, with helicopters and dozens of cars at his 
disposal, and was worth an estimated £2billion.
 
 He was the head of a movement with five million followers worldwide, all 
seeking a higher consciousness through transcendental meditation.
 
 But while the Maharishi promised world peace, and cynics laughed at his wacky 
teachings and yogic flying, sinister stories of sex, debauchery, and even 
murder cast dark shadows over his life.
 
 All but one of the Beatles cut their ties with their apparently celibate guru 
after it emerged he'd made a pass at Mia Farrow. The Maharishi's people, on the 
other hand, insist they simply fell out when he discovered the band were using 
LSD.
 
 Later another British disciple, Linda Pearce claimed the Maharishi had seduced 
her when he was in his 60s.
 
 "He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just couldn't see that 
he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly. At one stage I even thought I 
was pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a lot of 
talk that he'd tried to rape Mia Fa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

Maybe he means you shot The Mirror? Either that, or he didn't actually read 
your post and just assumed you were dumping on everyone you mentioned. He's 
been having a lot of trouble with reading comprehension recently. 

 He does get his panties in a terrible wad whenever anybody with a negative 
message about Maharishi/the TMO is shot, even if the message is factually 
inaccurate and/or totally unfair and/or disingenuous.
 

 BTW, I think you're confusing Linda Pearce with Judith Bourque, the woman who 
wrote the book. And I'm not sure Anthony Campbell is still a Buddhist.
 

 

 

 I spent most of it addressing one specific passage and pointed out that 
Michael had already (IIRC) correctly quoted someone who cast doubt on much of 
her story.
 
Is that called "shooting the messenger?" I thought that was a different thing, 
but o well.
 

 

 L

 You realize, do you not, that you just spent an entire post "shooting the 
messengers" to protect the image of a dead man, right? And you wonder why 
people consider you a cult apologist.

 

 From: "LEnglish5@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2014 7:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 
 
   ""He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just couldn't see 
that he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly. At one stage I even 
thought I was pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was 
a lot of talk that he'd tried to rape"
 

 This seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in  her story of the 
affair (I've never read it, so going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on 
her claim and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups of people 
at all hours of hte day and night during that time, and tehre's no way a secret 
affair could have happened without everyone (including him) being in on it. 
Campbell is now a practicing Buddhist.
 

 Mia Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had Jesus given her 
a hug, she would have taken it the wrong way.
 

 The two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money for TM some 
years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in interviews, and John Lennon's widow, 
Yoko Ono, even attended the concert.
 

 By the way, wasn't it YOU, Michael, who quoted Jerry Jarvis t us, saying that 
he recalled Linda pierce as teh woman who stood up in advanced lecture 
recounting her dream that she and Maharishi got married and that Maharishi 
replied that she needed to learn to not confuse dreams with reality.
 

 years later, in an interview, she says that Maharishi appeared to her in a 
dream and begged her to publish the book in order to set the record straight 
and help repair his horribly damaged karma.
 

 

 L
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nice write up:
 
 Maharishi inspired Beatles but died leaving £2b and rape rumours
 The Mirror, UK/February 7, 2008
 By Nick Webster
 
 He inspired the Beatles and promised world peace but died leaving £2 billion 
amid rumours of rape and murder
 
 He was the Sixth Beatle, a spiritual force with the potential to create world 
peace and end famine.
 
 Or he was an avaricious old man with a penchant for young girls who ruined the 
greatest pop group in history.
 
 It rather depends on your point of view, but one thing is certain about the 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who died this week aged somewhere between 91 and 97 - he 
was one of the richest religious leaders in history.
 
 The 'giggling guru' - so called because of his high-pitched laugh - lived in 
an opulent 200-room mansion, with helicopters and dozens of cars at his 
disposal, and was worth an estimated £2billion.
 
 He was the head of a movement with five million followers worldwide, all 
seeking a higher consciousness through transcendental meditation.
 
 But while the Maharishi promised world peace, and cynics laughed at his wacky 
teachings and yogic flying, sinister stories of sex, debauchery, and even 
murder cast dark shadows over his life.
 
 All but one of the Beatles cut their ties with their apparently celibate guru 
after it emerged he'd made a pass at Mia Farrow. The Maharishi's people, on the 
other hand, insist they simply fell out when he discovered the band were using 
LSD.
 
 Later another British disciple, Linda Pearce claimed the Maharishi had seduced 
her when he was in his 60s.
 
 "He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just couldn't see that 
he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly. At one stage I even thought I 
was pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a lot of 
talk that he'd tried to rape Mia Farrow."
 
 And there was worse scandal to come. In 1987, when the Maharishi was living in 
a high security complex on the outskirts of Delhi, India, the Telegraph 
newspaper of Calcu

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

and you are incorrect I never said that about Jerry. And as I recall it was 
Judith Bourque who had that dream, not Linda Pearce, so you got that wrong too.

On Sat, 4/5/14, lengli...@cox.net  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 7:00 AM

   I spent most of it addressing one specific passage
 and pointed out that Michael had already (IIRC) correctly
 quoted someone who cast doubt on much of her story.
 Is that called "shooting the messenger?" I thought
 that was a different thing, but o well.

 L
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 You realize, do you not, that you just spent an
 entire post "shooting the messengers" to protect
 the image of a dead man, right? And you wonder why people
 consider you a cult apologist.

  From:
 "LEnglish5@..." 
  To:
 FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent:
 Saturday, April 5, 2014 7:14 AM
  Subject:
 [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

  ""He was a brilliant
 manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just
 couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love
 regularly. At one stage I even thought I was pregnant by
 him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a
 lot of talk that he'd tried to
 rape"
 This
 seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in
  her story of the affair (I've never read it, so
 going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on her claim
 and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups of
 people at all hours of hte day and night during that time,
 and tehre's no way a secret affair could have happened
 without everyone (including him) being in on it. Campbell is
 now a practicing Buddhist.
 Mia
 Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had
 Jesus given her a hug, she would have taken it the wrong
 way.
 The
 two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money
 for TM some years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in
 interviews, and John Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono, even
 attended the concert.
 By
 the way, wasn't it YOU, Michael, who quoted Jerry Jarvis
 t us, saying that he recalled Linda pierce as teh woman who
 stood up in advanced lecture recounting her dream that she
 and Maharishi got married and that Maharishi replied that
 she needed to learn to not confuse dreams with
 reality.
 years
 later, in an interview, she says that Maharishi appeared to
 her in a dream and begged her to publish the book in order
 to set the record straight and help repair his horribly
 damaged karma.

 L

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
  wrote :

 Nice
 write up:

 Maharishi inspired Beatles but died leaving £2b and rape
 rumours

 The Mirror, UK/February 7, 2008

 By Nick Webster

 He inspired the Beatles and promised world peace but died
 leaving £2 billion amid rumours of rape and murder

 He was the Sixth Beatle, a spiritual force with the
 potential to create world peace and end famine.

 Or he was an avaricious old man with a penchant for young
 girls who ruined the greatest pop group in history.

 It rather depends on your point of view, but one thing is
 certain about the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who died this week
 aged somewhere between 91 and 97 - he was one of the richest
 religious leaders in history.

 The 'giggling guru' - so called because of his
 high-pitched laugh - lived in an opulent 200-room mansion,
 with helicopters and dozens of cars at his disposal, and was
 worth an estimated £2billion.

 He was the head of a movement with five million followers
 worldwide, all seeking a higher consciousness through
 transcendental meditation.

 But while the Maharishi promised world peace, and cynics
 laughed at his wacky teachings and yogic flying, sinister
 stories of sex, debauchery, and even murder cast dark
 shadows over his life.

 All but one of the Beatles cut their ties with their
 apparently celibate guru after it emerged he'd made a
 pass at Mia Farrow. The Maharishi's people, on the other
 hand, insist they simply fell out when he discovered the
 band were using LSD.

 Later another British disciple, Linda Pearce claimed the
 Maharishi had seduced her when he was in his 60s.

 "He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce.
 "I just couldn't see that he was a dirty old man.
 We made love regularly. At one stage I even thought I was
 pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl.
 There was a lot of talk that he'd tried to rape Mia
 Farrow."

 And there was worse scandal to come. In 1987, when the
 Maharishi was living in a high security complex on the
 outskirts of Delhi, India, the Telegraph newspaper of
 Calcutta alleged five boys had died after being used as
 guinea pig

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

Add to that the fact that some of Sir Paul's friends/girlfriends say that he 
has been smoking pot for more than 40 years like some Brits drink tea, as in 
every single day. Then suddenly he and Ringo are stumping for David Lynch - 
reckon they just woke up one day and said "Gee, I am gonna start doing ads for 
TM and telling how lucky I was to spend a few weeks in India with Marshy." 
Lynch is giving them something in return for their PR, count on it. 

On Sat, 4/5/14, salyavin808  wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 6:19 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
   
   
 1 Comment
 below
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 ""He was a brilliant
 manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just
 couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love
 regularly. At one stage I even thought I was pregnant by
 him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a
 lot of talk that he'd tried to
 rape"
 This
 seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in
  her story of the affair (I've never read it, so
 going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on her claim
 and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups of
 people at all hours of hte day and night during that time,
 and tehre's no way a secret affair could have happened
 without everyone (including him) being in on it. Campbell is
 now a practicing Buddhist.
 Mia
 Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had
 Jesus given her a hug, she would have taken it the wrong
 way.
 The
 two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money
 for TM some years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in
 interviews, and John Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono, even
 attended the concert.
 The two
 non-surviving Beatles, Lennon and Harrison (the ones who
 were actually in Rishikesh at the time of the incident),
 quit TM soon after getting back from India. Harrison had the
 Iskcon camping in his garden by the end of that year. They
 both said that chanting the Krishna mantra was the ultimate
 spiritual experience and did it for years, Harrison kept it
 up until he died, claiming it saved his life many
 times.
 Iskcon
 publish a book about it but they don't mention TM,
 saying that Harrison and Lennon had been doing a type of
 mantra meditation for a while.
 Regarding
 Mia Farrow, she was alone with the reesh and he tried to put
 his arms round her and get her to lie down. You don't
 need to know anything else do you, it's inappropriate
 enough without any fantasies. When L&H heard about it
 they announced to Marshy that they were leaving and he asked
 why. Lennon said "If you're so cosmic, you tell
 us". 
 The
 fickleness of the famous? Or the only people who ever said
 no?
 
 By
 the way, wasn't it YOU, Michael, who quoted Jerry Jarvis
 t us, saying that he recalled Linda pierce as teh woman who
 stood up in advanced lecture recounting her dream that she
 and Maharishi got married and that Maharishi replied that
 she needed to learn to not confuse dreams with
 reality.
 years
 later, in an interview, she says that Maharishi appeared to
 her in a dream and begged her to publish the book in order
 to set the record straight and help repair his horribly
 damaged karma.
 
 L
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :
 
 Nice
 write up:
 
 
 
 Maharishi inspired Beatles but died leaving £2b and rape
 rumours
 
 The Mirror, UK/February 7, 2008
 
 By Nick Webster
 
 
 
 He inspired the Beatles and promised world peace but died
 leaving £2 billion amid rumours of rape and murder
 
 
 
 He was the Sixth Beatle, a spiritual force with the
 potential to create world peace and end famine.
 
 
 
 Or he was an avaricious old man with a penchant for young
 girls who ruined the greatest pop group in history.
 
 
 
 It rather depends on your point of view, but one thing is
 certain about the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who died this week
 aged somewhere between 91 and 97 - he was one of the richest
 religious leaders in history.
 
 
 
 The 'giggling guru' - so called because of his
 high-pitched laugh - lived in an opulent 200-room mansion,
 with helicopters and dozens of cars at his disposal, and was
 worth an estimated £2billion.
 
 
 
 He was the head of a movement with five million followers
 worldwide, all seeking a higher consciousness through
 transcendental meditation.
 
 
 
 But while the Maharishi promised world peace, and cynics
 laughed at his wacky teachings and yogic flying, sinister
 stories of sex, debauchery, and even murder cast dark
 shadows over his life.
 
 
 
 All but one of the Beatles cut their ties with their
 apparently celibate guru after it emerged he'd made a
 pass at Mia Farrow. The Maharishi's people, on the other
 hand, insist they simply

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

No it wasn't me that said that - all I said is the my friend Bill Kossler has 
had a number of conversations with Jerry over the past few months and asked him 
about allegations of M's sexual indiscretions. Jerry said he never saw anything 
that would give credence to the claims.

On Sat, 4/5/14, lengli...@cox.net  wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, April 5, 2014, 5:14 AM

   ""He was a brilliant
 manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just
 couldn't see that he was a dirty old man. We made love
 regularly. At one stage I even thought I was pregnant by
 him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a
 lot of talk that he'd tried to
 rape"
 This seems a
 far cry from the poignant tale of love told in  her
 story of the affair (I've never read it, so going by
 hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on her claim and said
 that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups of people
 at all hours of hte day and night during that time, and
 tehre's no way a secret affair could have happened
 without everyone (including him) being in on it. Campbell is
 now a practicing Buddhist.
 Mia Farrow
 says that given her frame of mind at that time, had Jesus
 given her a hug, she would have taken it the wrong
 way.
 The two
 surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money for
 TM some years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in interviews,
 and John Lennon's widow, Yoko Ono, even attended the
 concert.
 By the way,
 wasn't it YOU, Michael, who quoted Jerry Jarvis t us,
 saying that he recalled Linda pierce as teh woman who stood
 up in advanced lecture recounting her dream that she and
 Maharishi got married and that Maharishi replied that she
 needed to learn to not confuse dreams with
 reality.
 years later,
 in an interview, she says that Maharishi appeared to her in
 a dream and begged her to publish the book in order to set
 the record straight and help repair his horribly damaged
 karma.

 L

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Nice write up:

 Maharishi inspired Beatles but died leaving £2b and rape
 rumours

 The Mirror, UK/February 7, 2008

 By Nick Webster

 He inspired the Beatles and promised world peace but died
 leaving £2 billion amid rumours of rape and murder

 He was the Sixth Beatle, a spiritual force with the
 potential to create world peace and end famine.

 Or he was an avaricious old man with a penchant for young
 girls who ruined the greatest pop group in history.

 It rather depends on your point of view, but one thing is
 certain about the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who died this week
 aged somewhere between 91 and 97 - he was one of the richest
 religious leaders in history.

 The 'giggling guru' - so called because of his
 high-pitched laugh - lived in an opulent 200-room mansion,
 with helicopters and dozens of cars at his disposal, and was
 worth an estimated £2billion.

 He was the head of a movement with five million followers
 worldwide, all seeking a higher consciousness through
 transcendental meditation.

 But while the Maharishi promised world peace, and cynics
 laughed at his wacky teachings and yogic flying, sinister
 stories of sex, debauchery, and even murder cast dark
 shadows over his life.

 All but one of the Beatles cut their ties with their
 apparently celibate guru after it emerged he'd made a
 pass at Mia Farrow. The Maharishi's people, on the other
 hand, insist they simply fell out when he discovered the
 band were using LSD.

 Later another British disciple, Linda Pearce claimed the
 Maharishi had seduced her when he was in his 60s.

 "He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce.
 "I just couldn't see that he was a dirty old man.
 We made love regularly. At one stage I even thought I was
 pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl.
 There was a lot of talk that he'd tried to rape Mia
 Farrow."

 And there was worse scandal to come. In 1987, when the
 Maharishi was living in a high security complex on the
 outskirts of Delhi, India, the Telegraph newspaper of
 Calcutta alleged five boys had died after being used as
 guinea pigs in the ashram's "medical
 institute" searching for cures for cancer, heart
 ailments and Aids. Nothing was ever proved.

 At the same time the fabulously wealthy guru's employees
 went on strike to increase their £10-a-month wages. The
 Maharishi simply moved into a five-star hotel in New Delhi
 until it was over.

 Mahesh Prasad Varma (or Mahesh Srivastava, depending on your
 source) was born in the Indian state of Madhya Pradesh,
 sometime between 1911 and 1918.

 The son of a government tax inspector, he init

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

I spent most of it addressing one specific passage and pointed out that Michael 
had already (IIRC) correctly quoted someone who cast doubt on much of her 
story. 
Is that called "shooting the messenger?" I thought that was a different thing, 
but o well.
 

 

 L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You realize, do you not, that you just spent an entire post "shooting the 
messengers" to protect the image of a dead man, right? And you wonder why 
people consider you a cult apologist.

 

 From: "LEnglish5@..." 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2014 7:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 
 
   ""He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just couldn't see 
that he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly. At one stage I even 
thought I was pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was 
a lot of talk that he'd tried to rape"
 

 This seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in  her story of the 
affair (I've never read it, so going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on 
her claim and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups of people 
at all hours of hte day and night during that time, and tehre's no way a secret 
affair could have happened without everyone (including him) being in on it. 
Campbell is now a practicing Buddhist.
 

 Mia Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had Jesus given her 
a hug, she would have taken it the wrong way.
 

 The two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money for TM some 
years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in interviews, and John Lennon's widow, 
Yoko Ono, even attended the concert.
 

 By the way, wasn't it YOU, Michael, who quoted Jerry Jarvis t us, saying that 
he recalled Linda pierce as teh woman who stood up in advanced lecture 
recounting her dream that she and Maharishi got married and that Maharishi 
replied that she needed to learn to not confuse dreams with reality.
 

 years later, in an interview, she says that Maharishi appeared to her in a 
dream and begged her to publish the book in order to set the record straight 
and help repair his horribly damaged karma.
 

 

 L
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nice write up:
 
 Maharishi inspired Beatles but died leaving £2b and rape rumours
 The Mirror, UK/February 7, 2008
 By Nick Webster
 
 He inspired the Beatles and promised world peace but died leaving £2 billion 
amid rumours of rape and murder
 
 He was the Sixth Beatle, a spiritual force with the potential to create world 
peace and end famine.
 
 Or he was an avaricious old man with a penchant for young girls who ruined the 
greatest pop group in history.
 
 It rather depends on your point of view, but one thing is certain about the 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who died this week aged somewhere between 91 and 97 - he 
was one of the richest religious leaders in history.
 
 The 'giggling guru' - so called because of his high-pitched laugh - lived in 
an opulent 200-room mansion, with helicopters and dozens of cars at his 
disposal, and was worth an estimated £2billion.
 
 He was the head of a movement with five million followers worldwide, all 
seeking a higher consciousness through transcendental meditation.
 
 But while the Maharishi promised world peace, and cynics laughed at his wacky 
teachings and yogic flying, sinister stories of sex, debauchery, and even 
murder cast dark shadows over his life.
 
 All but one of the Beatles cut their ties with their apparently celibate guru 
after it emerged he'd made a pass at Mia Farrow. The Maharishi's people, on the 
other hand, insist they simply fell out when he discovered the band were using 
LSD.
 
 Later another British disciple, Linda Pearce claimed the Maharishi had seduced 
her when he was in his 60s.
 
 "He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just couldn't see that 
he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly. At one stage I even thought I 
was pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a lot of 
talk that he'd tried to rape Mia Farrow."
 
 And there was worse scandal to come. In 1987, when the Maharishi was living in 
a high security complex on the outskirts of Delhi, India, the Telegraph 
newspaper of Calcutta alleged five boys had died after being used as guinea 
pigs in the ashram's "medical institute" searching for cures for cancer, heart 
ailments and Aids. Nothing was ever proved.
 
 At the same time the fabulously wealthy guru's employees went on strike to 
increase their £10-a-month wages. The Maharishi simply moved into a five-star 
hotel in New Delhi until it was over.
 
 Mahesh Prasad Varma (or Mahesh Srivastava, depending on your source) was born 
in the Indian state of Madhya Pradesh, sometime between 1911 and 1918.
 
 The son of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-04 Thread salyavin808


 1 Comment below

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ""He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just couldn't see that 
he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly. At one stage I even thought I 
was pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a lot of 
talk that he'd tried to rape"
 

 This seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in  her story of the 
affair (I've never read it, so going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on 
her claim and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups of people 
at all hours of hte day and night during that time, and tehre's no way a secret 
affair could have happened without everyone (including him) being in on it. 
Campbell is now a practicing Buddhist.
 

 Mia Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had Jesus given her 
a hug, she would have taken it the wrong way.
 

 The two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money for TM some 
years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in interviews, and John Lennon's widow, 
Yoko Ono, even attended the concert.
 

 The two non-surviving Beatles, Lennon and Harrison (the ones who were actually 
in Rishikesh at the time of the incident), quit TM soon after getting back from 
India. Harrison had the Iskcon camping in his garden by the end of that year. 
They both said that chanting the Krishna mantra was the ultimate spiritual 
experience and did it for years, Harrison kept it up until he died, claiming it 
saved his life many times.
 

 Iskcon publish a book about it but they don't mention TM, saying that Harrison 
and Lennon had been doing a type of mantra meditation for a while.
 

 Regarding Mia Farrow, she was alone with the reesh and he tried to put his 
arms round her and get her to lie down. You don't need to know anything else do 
you, it's inappropriate enough without any fantasies. When L&H heard about it 
they announced to Marshy that they were leaving and he asked why. Lennon said 
"If you're so cosmic, you tell us". 
 

 The fickleness of the famous? Or the only people who ever said no?
 

 

 By the way, wasn't it YOU, Michael, who quoted Jerry Jarvis t us, saying that 
he recalled Linda pierce as teh woman who stood up in advanced lecture 
recounting her dream that she and Maharishi got married and that Maharishi 
replied that she needed to learn to not confuse dreams with reality.
 

 years later, in an interview, she says that Maharishi appeared to her in a 
dream and begged her to publish the book in order to set the record straight 
and help repair his horribly damaged karma.
 

 

 L
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nice write up:
 
 Maharishi inspired Beatles but died leaving £2b and rape rumours
 The Mirror, UK/February 7, 2008
 By Nick Webster
 
 He inspired the Beatles and promised world peace but died leaving £2 billion 
amid rumours of rape and murder
 
 He was the Sixth Beatle, a spiritual force with the potential to create world 
peace and end famine.
 
 Or he was an avaricious old man with a penchant for young girls who ruined the 
greatest pop group in history.
 
 It rather depends on your point of view, but one thing is certain about the 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who died this week aged somewhere between 91 and 97 - he 
was one of the richest religious leaders in history.
 
 The 'giggling guru' - so called because of his high-pitched laugh - lived in 
an opulent 200-room mansion, with helicopters and dozens of cars at his 
disposal, and was worth an estimated £2billion.
 
 He was the head of a movement with five million followers worldwide, all 
seeking a higher consciousness through transcendental meditation.
 
 But while the Maharishi promised world peace, and cynics laughed at his wacky 
teachings and yogic flying, sinister stories of sex, debauchery, and even 
murder cast dark shadows over his life.
 
 All but one of the Beatles cut their ties with their apparently celibate guru 
after it emerged he'd made a pass at Mia Farrow. The Maharishi's people, on the 
other hand, insist they simply fell out when he discovered the band were using 
LSD.
 
 Later another British disciple, Linda Pearce claimed the Maharishi had seduced 
her when he was in his 60s.
 
 "He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just couldn't see that 
he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly. At one stage I even thought I 
was pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a lot of 
talk that he'd tried to rape Mia Farrow."
 
 And there was worse scandal to come. In 1987, when the Maharishi was living in 
a high security complex on the outskirts of Delhi, India, the Telegraph 
newspaper of Calcutta alleged five boys had died after being used as guinea 
pigs in the ashram's "medical institute" searching for cures for cancer, heart 
ailments and Aids. Nothing was ever proved.
 
 At the same time the fabulously wealthy guru's employees went on strike to 
increase their £10-a-

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-04 Thread salyavin808

A, Prove it. 

 B, So what? People have been believing rubbish since the dawn of time.
 

 C, Where did they get the foam from, or did they not spend years just hopping 
up and down, going instead to floating?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 that yogic flying leads to peace in teh world has been standard yogic mystical 
rhetoric for centuries. 

 L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: Michael Jackson 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, April 4, 2014 7:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 
 
   its not a suck up to the movement if that's what you mean - fairly objective 
from a non-TM journalists point of view, yes. You need to remember that those 
who have never done TM and have no reason to do so are not going to be wowed by 
all the bull crap claims, especially if they have any common sense, which this 
writer certainly seems to have.







Pick *anyone* off the street and tell them that he taught that bouncing around 
on one's butt would create world peace, and they'd assume they were dealing 
with a lunatic. It's only people who got brainwashed over the years by 
accepting one small ludicrous idea after another who could be presented with 
such an obviously deranged idea and take it seriously.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-04 Thread salyavin808

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-04 Thread LEnglish5

that yogic flying leads to peace in teh world has been standard yogic mystical 
rhetoric for centuries. 

 L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: Michael Jackson 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, April 4, 2014 7:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

   its not a suck up to the movement if that's what you mean - fairly objective 
from a non-TM journalists point of view, yes. You need to remember that those 
who have never done TM and have no reason to do so are not going to be wowed by 
all the bull crap claims, especially if they have any common sense, which this 
writer certainly seems to have.

Pick *anyone* off the street and tell them that he taught that bouncing around 
on one's butt would create world peace, and they'd assume they were dealing 
with a lunatic. It's only people who got brainwashed over the years by 
accepting one small ludicrous idea after another who could be presented with 
such an obviously deranged idea and take it seriously.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-04 Thread LEnglish5

The rape rumors were pooh-poohed by Mia Farrow herself in her book.  

 Linda Pierce was not underage.
 

 Which rape are we talking about?
 

 L

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-04 Thread TurquoiseBee

You realize, do you not, that you just spent an entire post "shooting the 
messengers" to protect the image of a dead man, right? And you wonder why 
people consider you a cult apologist.

 From: "lengli...@cox.net" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2014 7:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

""He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just couldn't see that 
he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly. At one stage I even thought I 
was pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a lot of 
talk that he'd tried to rape"

This seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in  her story of the 
affair (I've never read it, so going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on 
her claim and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups of people 
at all hours of hte day and night during that time, and tehre's no way a secret 
affair could have happened without everyone (including him) being in on it. 
Campbell is now a practicing Buddhist.

Mia Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had Jesus given her 
a hug, she would have taken it the wrong way.

The two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money for TM some 
years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in interviews, and John Lennon's widow, 
Yoko Ono, even attended the concert.

By the way, wasn't it YOU, Michael, who quoted Jerry Jarvis t us, saying that 
he recalled Linda pierce as teh woman who stood up in advanced lecture 
recounting her dream that she and Maharishi got married and that Maharishi 
replied that she needed to learn to not confuse dreams with reality.

years later, in an interview, she says that Maharishi appeared to her in a 
dream and begged her to publish the book in order to set the record straight 
and help repair his horribly damaged karma.

L

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Nice write up:

Maharishi inspired Beatles but died leaving £2b and rape rumours
The Mirror, UK/February 7, 2008
By Nick Webster

He inspired the Beatles and promised world peace but died leaving £2 billion 
amid rumours of rape and murder

He was the Sixth Beatle, a spiritual force with the potential to create world 
peace and end famine.

Or he was an avaricious old man with a penchant for young girls who ruined the 
greatest pop group in history.

It rather depends on your point of view, but one thing is certain about the 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who died this week aged somewhere between 91 and 97 - he 
was one of the richest religious leaders in history.

The 'giggling guru' - so called because of his high-pitched laugh - lived in an 
opulent 200-room mansion, with helicopters and dozens of cars at his disposal, 
and was worth an estimated £2billion.

He was the head of a movement with five million followers worldwide, all 
seeking a higher consciousness through transcendental meditation.

But while the Maharishi promised world peace, and cynics laughed at his wacky 
teachings and yogic flying, sinister stories of sex, debauchery, and even 
murder cast dark shadows over his life.

All but one of the Beatles cut their ties with their apparently celibate guru 
after it emerged he'd made a pass at Mia Farrow. The Maharishi's people, on the 
other hand, insist they simply fell out when he discovered the band were using 
LSD.

Later another British disciple, Linda Pearce claimed the Maharishi had seduced 
her when he was in his 60s.

"He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just couldn't see that he 
was a dirty old man. We made love regularly. At one stage I even thought I was 
pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a lot of talk 
that he'd tried to rape Mia Farrow."

And there was worse scandal to come. In 1987, when the Maharishi was living in 
a high security complex on the outskirts of Delhi, India, the Telegraph 
newspaper of Calcutta alleged five boys had died after being used as guinea 
pigs in the ashram's "medical institute" searching for cures for cancer, heart 
ailments and Aids. Nothing was ever proved.

At the same time the fabulously wealthy guru's employees went on strike to 
increase their £10-a-month wages. The Maharishi simply moved into a five-star 
hotel in New Delhi until it was over.

Mahesh Prasad Varma (or Mahesh Srivastava, depending on your source) was born 
in the Indian state of Madhya Pradesh, sometime between 1911 and 1918.

The son of a government tax inspector, he initially studied physics but then 
trained with a Vedic spiritual mentor, undertaking two years of silence in the 
Himalayas where he developed his ideas on transcendental meditation.

The movement the Maharishi leaves behind, after his death at his luxurious 
retreat in Vlodrop in the Netherlands, has been called t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-04 Thread LEnglish5

""He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just couldn't see that 
he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly. At one stage I even thought I 
was pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a lot of 
talk that he'd tried to rape"
 

 This seems a far cry from the poignant tale of love told in  her story of the 
affair (I've never read it, so going by hearsay). Anthony Campbell commented on 
her claim and said that Maharishi was in meetings with large groups of people 
at all hours of hte day and night during that time, and tehre's no way a secret 
affair could have happened without everyone (including him) being in on it. 
Campbell is now a practicing Buddhist.
 

 Mia Farrow says that given her frame of mind at that time, had Jesus given her 
a hug, she would have taken it the wrong way.
 

 The two surviving Beatles gave a benefit concert to raise money for TM some 
years back, spoke highly of Maharishi in interviews, and John Lennon's widow, 
Yoko Ono, even attended the concert.
 

 By the way, wasn't it YOU, Michael, who quoted Jerry Jarvis t us, saying that 
he recalled Linda pierce as teh woman who stood up in advanced lecture 
recounting her dream that she and Maharishi got married and that Maharishi 
replied that she needed to learn to not confuse dreams with reality.
 

 years later, in an interview, she says that Maharishi appeared to her in a 
dream and begged her to publish the book in order to set the record straight 
and help repair his horribly damaged karma.
 

 

 L
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nice write up:
 
 Maharishi inspired Beatles but died leaving £2b and rape rumours
 The Mirror, UK/February 7, 2008
 By Nick Webster
 
 He inspired the Beatles and promised world peace but died leaving £2 billion 
amid rumours of rape and murder
 
 He was the Sixth Beatle, a spiritual force with the potential to create world 
peace and end famine.
 
 Or he was an avaricious old man with a penchant for young girls who ruined the 
greatest pop group in history.
 
 It rather depends on your point of view, but one thing is certain about the 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who died this week aged somewhere between 91 and 97 - he 
was one of the richest religious leaders in history.
 
 The 'giggling guru' - so called because of his high-pitched laugh - lived in 
an opulent 200-room mansion, with helicopters and dozens of cars at his 
disposal, and was worth an estimated £2billion.
 
 He was the head of a movement with five million followers worldwide, all 
seeking a higher consciousness through transcendental meditation.
 
 But while the Maharishi promised world peace, and cynics laughed at his wacky 
teachings and yogic flying, sinister stories of sex, debauchery, and even 
murder cast dark shadows over his life.
 
 All but one of the Beatles cut their ties with their apparently celibate guru 
after it emerged he'd made a pass at Mia Farrow. The Maharishi's people, on the 
other hand, insist they simply fell out when he discovered the band were using 
LSD.
 
 Later another British disciple, Linda Pearce claimed the Maharishi had seduced 
her when he was in his 60s.
 
 "He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce. "I just couldn't see that 
he was a dirty old man. We made love regularly. At one stage I even thought I 
was pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl. There was a lot of 
talk that he'd tried to rape Mia Farrow."
 
 And there was worse scandal to come. In 1987, when the Maharishi was living in 
a high security complex on the outskirts of Delhi, India, the Telegraph 
newspaper of Calcutta alleged five boys had died after being used as guinea 
pigs in the ashram's "medical institute" searching for cures for cancer, heart 
ailments and Aids. Nothing was ever proved.
 
 At the same time the fabulously wealthy guru's employees went on strike to 
increase their £10-a-month wages. The Maharishi simply moved into a five-star 
hotel in New Delhi until it was over.
 
 Mahesh Prasad Varma (or Mahesh Srivastava, depending on your source) was born 
in the Indian state of Madhya Pradesh, sometime between 1911 and 1918.
 
 The son of a government tax inspector, he initially studied physics but then 
trained with a Vedic spiritual mentor, undertaking two years of silence in the 
Himalayas where he developed his ideas on transcendental meditation.
 
 The movement the Maharishi leaves behind, after his death at his luxurious 
retreat in Vlodrop in the Netherlands, has been called the world's richest 
cult. Yet when he began his first world tour as a spiritual leader in Burma in 
1958, the Maharishi was praised for his austerity.
 
 One commentator wrote: "He asks for nothing. His worldly possessions can be 
carried in one hand."
 
 Meeting the Beatles a decade later changed all that. The band had been 
encouraged to attend a lecture by George Harrison's wife Patti, and were 
impressed enough by what they heard to accompany him to a weeken

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-04 Thread awoelflebater


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I was referring to Marshy's bullcrap claims - you do love to be right all the 
time don't you? I can see why Barry dislikes you so much
 

 Although I realize you are talking to Judy, I personally take Barry's dislike 
of me as a badge of honor. If he liked me I would have to seriously question my 
actions and my life. I hope to God he never likes me, then I know I am on the 
right track.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-04 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 4/4/2014 12:34 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote:

Pick *anyone* off the street and tell them that he taught that 
bouncing around on one's butt would create world peace, and they'd 
assume they were dealing with a lunatic.

>
That's pretty much what I assumed when I first read Barry's claims of 
witnessing Rama levitate - a lunatic off the streets of Amsterdam 
claiming an enlightened state after seeing someone else levitate. What!?

It's only people who got brainwashed over the years by accepting one 
small ludicrous idea after another who could be presented with such an 
obviously deranged idea and take it seriously. 

>
That's what I'm talking about! A brainwashed true believer like Barry in 
trance-induction state for 24 years giving money to MMY to learn how to 
fly, and thousands to Rama *just to watch* him levitate - a ludicrous 
deranged idea that almost nobody would take seriously! Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-04 Thread Richard J. Williams

On 4/4/2014 3:53 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> I was referring to Marshy's bullcrap claims - you do love to be right 
> all the time don't you? I can see why Barry dislikes you so much
 >
Barry dislikes Judy because she is right most of the time about his 
bullcrap claims. It looks likes she's right about you too. Lol!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

Maharishi's claims, the TMO's claims--what's the difference?? 

 I don't like bullshit. Both you and Barry seem to think that's unreasonable as 
long as you're the ones slinging it. 
 

 

 

 I was referring to Marshy's bullcrap claims - you do love to be right all the 
time don't you? I can see why Barry dislikes you so much 

 
 Well, yes, you were. Read what you wrote
 again.
 
 neither was
 I
 
 I wasn't
 
 referring to any of the TMO's claims,
 
 Michael.
 
 
 
 its not a suck
 
 up to the movement if that's what you mean - fairly
 
 objective from a non-TM journalists point of view, yes. You
 
 need to remember that those who have never done TM and have
 
 no reason to do so are not going to be wowed by all the
 bull
 
 crap claims, especially if they have any common
 sense, which
 
 this writer certainly seems to have.
 
 
 
 On Fri, 4/4/14, authfriend@... 
 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 
 
 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 
 
 Date: Friday, April 4, 2014, 4:54 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 Ah, yes, so objective, so accurate, so balanced.
 
 
 
 Right, Michael?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-04 Thread Michael Jackson

I was referring to Marshy's bullcrap claims - you do love to be right all the 
time don't you? I can see why Barry dislikes you so much

On Fri, 4/4/14, authfri...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, April 4, 2014, 7:39 PM

   Well, yes, you were. Read what you wrote
 again.

 neither was
 I

 I wasn't

 referring to any of the TMO's claims,

 Michael.

 its not a suck

 up to the movement if that's what you mean - fairly

 objective from a non-TM journalists point of view, yes. You

 need to remember that those who have never done TM and have

 no reason to do so are not going to be wowed by all the
 bull

 crap claims, especially if they have any common
 sense, which

 this writer certainly seems to have.

 On Fri, 4/4/14, authfriend@... 

 wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

 Date: Friday, April 4, 2014, 4:54 PM

 Ah, yes, so objective, so accurate, so balanced.

 Right, Michael?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

Well, yes, you were. Read what you wrote again. 

 

 neither was I 
 I wasn't
 referring to any of the TMO's claims,
 Michael.
 
 its not a suck
 up to the movement if that's what you mean - fairly
 objective from a non-TM journalists point of view, yes. You
 need to remember that those who have never done TM and have
 no reason to do so are not going to be wowed by all the bull
 crap claims, especially if they have any common sense, which
 this writer certainly seems to have.
 
 On Fri, 4/4/14, authfriend@... 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 
 Date: Friday, April 4, 2014, 4:54 PM
 
 
 Ah, yes, so objective, so accurate, so balanced.
 
 Right, Michael?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-04 Thread Michael Jackson

neither was I

On Fri, 4/4/14, authfri...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, April 4, 2014, 5:26 PM

   I wasn't
 referring to any of the TMO's claims,
 Michael.

 its not a suck
 up to the movement if that's what you mean - fairly
 objective from a non-TM journalists point of view, yes. You
 need to remember that those who have never done TM and have
 no reason to do so are not going to be wowed by all the bull
 crap claims, especially if they have any common sense, which
 this writer certainly seems to have.

  On Fri, 4/4/14, authfriend@... 
 wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

 Date: Friday, April 4, 2014, 4:54 PM

 Ah, yes, so objective, so accurate, so balanced.

 Right, Michael?

 Nice write

 up:

 Maharishi inspired Beatles but died leaving £2b and rape

 rumours

 The Mirror, UK/February 7, 2008

 By Nick Webster

 He inspired the Beatles and promised world peace but died

 leaving £2 billion amid rumours of rape and murder

 He was the Sixth Beatle, a spiritual force with the

 potential to create world peace and end famine.

 Or he was an avaricious old man with a penchant for young

 girls who ruined the greatest pop group in history.

 It rather depends on your point of view, but one thing is

 certain about the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who died this week

 aged somewhere between 91 and 97 - he was one of the
 richest

 religious leaders in history.

 The 'giggling guru' - so called because of his

 high-pitched laugh - lived in an opulent 200-room mansion,

 with helicopters and dozens of cars at his disposal, and
 was

 worth an estimated £2billion.

 He was the head of a movement with five million followers

 worldwide, all seeking a higher consciousness through

 transcendental meditation.

 But while the Maharishi promised world peace, and cynics

 laughed at his wacky teachings and yogic flying, sinister

 stories of sex, debauchery, and even murder cast dark

 shadows over his life.

 All but one of the Beatles cut their ties with their

 apparently celibate guru after it emerged he'd made a

 pass at Mia Farrow. The Maharishi's people, on the
 other

 hand, insist they simply fell out when he discovered the

 band were using LSD.

 Later another British disciple, Linda Pearce claimed the

 Maharishi had seduced her when he was in his 60s.

 "He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs
 Pearce.

 "I just couldn't see that he was a dirty old man.

 We made love regularly. At one stage I even thought I was

 pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl.

 There was a lot of talk that he'd tried to rape Mia

 Farrow."

 And there was worse scandal to come. In 1987, when the

 Maharishi was living in a high security complex on the

 outskirts of Delhi, India, the Telegraph newspaper of

 Calcutta alleged five boys had died after being used as

 guinea pigs in the ashram's "medical

 institute" searching for cures for cancer, heart

 ailments and Aids. Nothing was ever proved.

 At the same time the fabulously wealthy guru's
 employees

 went on strike to increase their £10-a-month wages. The

 Maharishi simply moved into a five-star hotel in New Delhi

 until it was over.

 Mahesh Prasad Varma (or Mahesh Srivastava, depending on
 your

 source) was born in the Indian state of Madhya Pradesh,

 sometime between 1911 and 1918.

 The son of a government tax inspector, he initially studied

 physics but then trained with a Vedic spiritual mentor,

 undertaking two years of silence in the Himalayas where he

 developed his ideas on transcendental meditation.

 The movement the Maharishi leaves behind, after his death
 at

 his luxurious retreat in Vlodrop in the Netherlands, has

 been called the world's richest cult. Yet when he began

 his first world tour as a spiritual leader in Burma in
 1958,

 the Maharishi was praised for his austerity.

 One commentator wrote: "He asks for nothing. His

 worldly possessions can be carried in one hand."

 Meeting the Beatles a decade later changed all that. The

 band had been encouraged to attend a lecture by George

 Harrison's wife Patti, and were impressed enough by
 what

 they heard to accompany him to a weekend retreat in to
 North

 Wales.

 Along with Mick Jagger and Marianne Faithfull, they took
 the

 train to Bangor - where the Mah

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-04 Thread TurquoiseBee

From: Michael Jackson 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, April 4, 2014 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

its not a suck up to the movement if that's what you mean - fairly objective 
from a non-TM journalists point of view, yes. You need to remember that those 
who have never done TM and have no reason to do so are not going to be wowed by 
all the bull crap claims, especially if they have any common sense, which this 
writer certainly seems to have.

Pick *anyone* off the street and tell them that he taught that bouncing around 
on one's butt would create world peace, and they'd assume they were dealing 
with a lunatic. It's only people who got brainwashed over the years by 
accepting one small ludicrous idea after another who could be presented with 
such an obviously deranged idea and take it seriously.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

I wasn't referring to any of the TMO's claims, Michael. 

 

 its not a suck up to the movement if that's what you mean - fairly objective 
from a non-TM journalists point of view, yes. You need to remember that those 
who have never done TM and have no reason to do so are not going to be wowed by 
all the bull crap claims, especially if they have any common sense, which this 
writer certainly seems to have. 
 On Fri, 4/4/14, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@...> wrote:
 
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, April 4, 2014, 4:54 PM

 Ah, yes, so objective, so accurate, so balanced.
 Right, Michael?
 
 Nice write
 up:
 
 
 Maharishi inspired Beatles but died leaving £2b and rape
 rumours
 
 The Mirror, UK/February 7, 2008
 
 By Nick Webster
 
 
 
 He inspired the Beatles and promised world peace but died
 leaving £2 billion amid rumours of rape and murder
 
 
 
 He was the Sixth Beatle, a spiritual force with the
 potential to create world peace and end famine.
 
 
 
 Or he was an avaricious old man with a penchant for young
 girls who ruined the greatest pop group in history.
 
 
 
 It rather depends on your point of view, but one thing is
 certain about the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who died this week
 aged somewhere between 91 and 97 - he was one of the richest
 religious leaders in history.
 
 
 
 The 'giggling guru' - so called because of his
 high-pitched laugh - lived in an opulent 200-room mansion,
 with helicopters and dozens of cars at his disposal, and was
 worth an estimated £2billion.
 
 
 
 He was the head of a movement with five million followers
 worldwide, all seeking a higher consciousness through
 transcendental meditation.
 
 
 
 But while the Maharishi promised world peace, and cynics
 laughed at his wacky teachings and yogic flying, sinister
 stories of sex, debauchery, and even murder cast dark
 shadows over his life.
 
 
 
 All but one of the Beatles cut their ties with their
 apparently celibate guru after it emerged he'd made a
 pass at Mia Farrow. The Maharishi's people, on the other
 hand, insist they simply fell out when he discovered the
 band were using LSD.
 
 
 
 Later another British disciple, Linda Pearce claimed the
 Maharishi had seduced her when he was in his 60s.
 
 
 
 "He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce.
 "I just couldn't see that he was a dirty old man.
 We made love regularly. At one stage I even thought I was
 pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl.
 There was a lot of talk that he'd tried to rape Mia
 Farrow."
 
 
 
 And there was worse scandal to come. In 1987, when the
 Maharishi was living in a high security complex on the
 outskirts of Delhi, India, the Telegraph newspaper of
 Calcutta alleged five boys had died after being used as
 guinea pigs in the ashram's "medical
 institute" searching for cures for cancer, heart
 ailments and Aids. Nothing was ever proved.
 
 
 
 At the same time the fabulously wealthy guru's employees
 went on strike to increase their £10-a-month wages. The
 Maharishi simply moved into a five-star hotel in New Delhi
 until it was over.
 
 
 
 Mahesh Prasad Varma (or Mahesh Srivastava, depending on your
 source) was born in the Indian state of Madhya Pradesh,
 sometime between 1911 and 1918.
 
 
 
 The son of a government tax inspector, he initially studied
 physics but then trained with a Vedic spiritual mentor,
 undertaking two years of silence in the Himalayas where he
 developed his ideas on transcendental meditation.
 
 
 
 The movement the Maharishi leaves behind, after his death at
 his luxurious retreat in Vlodrop in the Netherlands, has
 been called the world's richest cult. Yet when he began
 his first world tour as a spiritual leader in Burma in 1958,
 the Maharishi was praised for his austerity.
 
 
 
 One commentator wrote: "He asks for nothing. His
 worldly possessions can be carried in one hand."
 
 
 
 Meeting the Beatles a decade later changed all that. The
 band had been encouraged to attend a lecture by George
 Harrison's wife Patti, and were impressed enough by what
 they heard to accompany him to a weekend retreat in to North
 Wales.
 
 
 
 Along with Mick Jagger and Marianne Faithfull, they took the
 train to Bangor - where the Maharishi assumed the mob of
 screaming fans were there for him.
 
 
 
 Only a day into the retreat the news broke that the Beatles
 influential manager Brian Epstein had died from a suspected
 drugs overdose.
 
 
 
 Rather than let them grieve for their friend and first
 mentor, the Maharishi told them their tears would cause
 "vibrations" which could trap Epstein's spirit
 on this spiritual plane rather than let it travel to the
 next. And he instructed them to be joyful and laugh.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy

2014-04-04 Thread Michael Jackson

its not a suck up to the movement if that's what you mean - fairly objective 
from a non-TM journalists point of view, yes. You need to remember that those 
who have never done TM and have no reason to do so are not going to be wowed by 
all the bull crap claims, especially if they have any common sense, which this 
writer certainly seems to have.

On Fri, 4/4/14, authfri...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, April 4, 2014, 4:54 PM

   Ah, yes, so objective, so accurate, so balanced.
 Right, Michael?

 Nice write
 up:

 Maharishi inspired Beatles but died leaving £2b and rape
 rumours

 The Mirror, UK/February 7, 2008

 By Nick Webster

 He inspired the Beatles and promised world peace but died
 leaving £2 billion amid rumours of rape and murder

 He was the Sixth Beatle, a spiritual force with the
 potential to create world peace and end famine.

 Or he was an avaricious old man with a penchant for young
 girls who ruined the greatest pop group in history.

 It rather depends on your point of view, but one thing is
 certain about the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi who died this week
 aged somewhere between 91 and 97 - he was one of the richest
 religious leaders in history.

 The 'giggling guru' - so called because of his
 high-pitched laugh - lived in an opulent 200-room mansion,
 with helicopters and dozens of cars at his disposal, and was
 worth an estimated £2billion.

 He was the head of a movement with five million followers
 worldwide, all seeking a higher consciousness through
 transcendental meditation.

 But while the Maharishi promised world peace, and cynics
 laughed at his wacky teachings and yogic flying, sinister
 stories of sex, debauchery, and even murder cast dark
 shadows over his life.

 All but one of the Beatles cut their ties with their
 apparently celibate guru after it emerged he'd made a
 pass at Mia Farrow. The Maharishi's people, on the other
 hand, insist they simply fell out when he discovered the
 band were using LSD.

 Later another British disciple, Linda Pearce claimed the
 Maharishi had seduced her when he was in his 60s.

 "He was a brilliant manipulator," said Mrs Pearce.
 "I just couldn't see that he was a dirty old man.
 We made love regularly. At one stage I even thought I was
 pregnant by him. And I don't think I was the only girl.
 There was a lot of talk that he'd tried to rape Mia
 Farrow."

 And there was worse scandal to come. In 1987, when the
 Maharishi was living in a high security complex on the
 outskirts of Delhi, India, the Telegraph newspaper of
 Calcutta alleged five boys had died after being used as
 guinea pigs in the ashram's "medical
 institute" searching for cures for cancer, heart
 ailments and Aids. Nothing was ever proved.

 At the same time the fabulously wealthy guru's employees
 went on strike to increase their £10-a-month wages. The
 Maharishi simply moved into a five-star hotel in New Delhi
 until it was over.

 Mahesh Prasad Varma (or Mahesh Srivastava, depending on your
 source) was born in the Indian state of Madhya Pradesh,
 sometime between 1911 and 1918.

 The son of a government tax inspector, he initially studied
 physics but then trained with a Vedic spiritual mentor,
 undertaking two years of silence in the Himalayas where he
 developed his ideas on transcendental meditation.

 The movement the Maharishi leaves behind, after his death at
 his luxurious retreat in Vlodrop in the Netherlands, has
 been called the world's richest cult. Yet when he began
 his first world tour as a spiritual leader in Burma in 1958,
 the Maharishi was praised for his austerity.

 One commentator wrote: "He asks for nothing. His
 worldly possessions can be carried in one hand."

 Meeting the Beatles a decade later changed all that. The
 band had been encouraged to attend a lecture by George
 Harrison's wife Patti, and were impressed enough by what
 they heard to accompany him to a weekend retreat in to North
 Wales.

 Along with Mick Jagger and Marianne Faithfull, they took the
 train to Bangor - where the Maharishi assumed the mob of
 screaming fans were there for him.

 Only a day into the retreat the news broke that the Beatles
 influential manager Brian Epstein had died from a suspected
 drugs overdose.

 Rather than let them grieve for their friend and first
 mentor, the Maharishi told them their tears would cause
 "vibrations" which could trap Epstein's spirit
 on this spiritual plane rather than let it travel to the
 next. And he instructed them to be joyful and laugh.

 Months later all four Beatles, their partners and 60s stars
 Donova

[FairfieldLife] Re: Marshy