Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting
dear merudanda, edg is another poster on FFL who recently wrote: We're all getting out of the changing business, right? Of course on one level everything is changing all the time. And yet there is that which doesn't change, only it's not a that. Except: I am That Thou art That All this is That That alone is. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ1LI-NTa2s What's the buziness, yeah who is Edg? you can away the part that represents the thing that scarred you I'm addicted to life If you just press your fingers down under my skin Don't take my life away From a distance, .. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: As time and tears go by, nothing changes, according to edg, cuz we're out of that bizness... hopefullya Tune-Yards of layers with ukulele, voice, and electric bass while watching kids playing may help From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 3:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqYEGt1iBW4 It is the evening of the day, I sit and watch the children play. Doin' things I used to do they think are new. I sit and watch as tears go by. Mm..Mm 'The original title was As Time Goes By. It was changed to avoid confusion with the song from Casablanca. Do not miss the description and Marianne Faithfull. As tears go by (incl.B.Epstein an P.Anka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf9w2hJIqUk and Faithfull live 2005 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dweOoYHQ9ek --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: sniff, sniff, sob, sob, boo hoo to you, dear merudanda, I thought you would understand, yes, and love, nay adore, my wonderful insights about movies and neurons and such. Well that proves one thing: I should have gone the route of whats his face and myths and deep brain structures, collective unconscious and all that stuff. But no, I've succumbed to the scientific warblings of salyavin and Dr. Dan Siegel and Dr. Lehary, all these neuroscientists and their plastic heads! Anyway, kiss, kiss, glad you're back for the nonce. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting  LOL Oh my dear sunshine What a Stroke of Insight Speech.What a culmination of all the thoughts and experiences I have had up to this very moment. Reading this new neural pathways are forged, my neuroplasti-cied brain is changing and subtle altered. C'mon give me more , Ann. You know with repetition only this delightful pathway you created in me will and can be strengthened --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: snip I wonder how many directors created their films in order to fire up the neuronal pathways of their viewers. I can see it now, Oscar speech: And I want to credit my life-long desire to create a firing of neuronal pathways within the brains of my audience as the primary force behind my creative endeavors. May your neurons be forever stimulated, especially when I make a sequel to my current, award-winning picture. And a special thanks goes to my mom who was instrumental in creating my own neuronal pathways. snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting
As time and tears go by, nothing changes, according to edg, cuz we're out of that bizness...hopefully From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 3:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqYEGt1iBW4 It is the evening of the day, I sit and watch the children play. Doin' things I used to do they think are new. I sit and watch as tears go by. Mm..Mm 'The original title was As Time Goes By. It was changed to avoid confusion with the song from Casablanca. Do not miss the description and Marianne Faithfull. As tears go by (incl.B.Epstein an P.Anka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf9w2hJIqUk and Faithfull live 2005 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dweOoYHQ9ek --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: sniff, sniff, sob, sob, boo hoo to you, dear merudanda, I thought you would understand, yes, and love, nay adore, my wonderful insights about movies and neurons and such. Well that proves one thing: I should have gone the route of whats his face and myths and deep brain structures, collective unconscious and all that stuff. But no, I've succumbed to the scientific warblings of salyavin and Dr. Dan Siegel and Dr. Lehary, all these neuroscientists and their plastic heads! Anyway, kiss, kiss, glad you're back for the nonce. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting  LOL Oh my dear sunshine What a Stroke of Insight Speech.What a culmination of all the thoughts and experiences I have had up to this very moment. Reading this new neural pathways are forged, my neuroplasti-cied brain is changing and subtle altered. C'mon give me more , Ann. You know with repetition only this delightful pathway you created in me will and can be strengthened --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: snip I wonder how many directors created their films in order to fire up the neuronal pathways of their viewers. I can see it now, Oscar speech: And I want to credit my life-long desire to create a firing of neuronal pathways within the brains of my audience as the primary force behind my creative endeavors. May your neurons be forever stimulated, especially when I make a sequel to my current, award-winning picture. And a special thanks goes to my mom who was instrumental in creating my own neuronal pathways. snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting
sniff, sniff, sob, sob, boo hoo to you, dear merudanda, I thought you would understand, yes, and love, nay adore, my wonderful insights about movies and neurons and such. Well that proves one thing: I should have gone the route of whats his face and myths and deep brain structures, collective unconscious and all that stuff. But no, I've succumbed to the scientific warblings of salyavin and Dr. Dan Siegel and Dr. Lehary, all these neuroscientists and their plastic heads! Anyway, kiss, kiss, glad you're back for the nonce. From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting LOL Oh my dear sunshine What a Stroke of Insight Speech.What a culmination of all the thoughts and experiences I have had up to this very moment. Reading this new neural pathways are forged, my neuroplasti-cied brain is changing and subtle altered. C'mon give me more , Ann. You know with repetition only this delightful pathway you created in me will and can be strengthened --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: snip I wonder how many directors created their films in order to fire up the neuronal pathways of their viewers. I can see it now, Oscar speech: And I want to credit my life-long desire to create a firing of neuronal pathways within the brains of my audience as the primary force behind my creative endeavors. May your neurons be forever stimulated, especially when I make a sequel to my current, award-winning picture. And a special thanks goes to my mom who was instrumental in creating my own neuronal pathways. snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting
meruda, Joseph Campbell! That's who I meant by whats his face. The follow your bliss fellow. Didn't he explain that these universal stories enliven deep brain structures? Of course Carl Jung said something along those lines but a little different, writing about the collective unconscious. Anyway, it's all to do with our bodies, the rhythms of our heart beat, the coursing of the blood in our veins, the breathing in and out at different paces at different times. These rhythms are essential not only to the obvious art form, music, but I think to all the art forms, even the strictly visual like paintings and sculpture. The rhythms of light and dark, broad stroke and delicate stroke, the undulations of materials making peaks and valleys. All these rhythms sing to us. Or they don't. Do you remember that Maharishi once said that in the AofE even poetry writing would be scientific?! From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting LOL Oh my dear sunshine What a Stroke of Insight Speech.What a culmination of all the thoughts and experiences I have had up to this very moment. Reading this new neural pathways are forged, my neuroplasti-cied brain is changing and subtle altered. C'mon give me more , Ann. You know with repetition only this delightful pathway you created in me will and can be strengthened --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann wrote: snip I wonder how many directors created their films in order to fire up the neuronal pathways of their viewers. I can see it now, Oscar speech: And I want to credit my life-long desire to create a firing of neuronal pathways within the brains of my audience as the primary force behind my creative endeavors. May your neurons be forever stimulated, especially when I make a sequel to my current, award-winning picture. And a special thanks goes to my mom who was instrumental in creating my own neuronal pathways. snip
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftV7bAbtwZc From: Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 9:05 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting Yes, heartbeats and breathing are essential for everything in this life including pooping, eating and laughing (not necessarily in that order).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting
Musical theory was my forte in college probably because I had studied since I was a kid and writing compositions. I would even tutor some of the scholarship performance students who could really play but were flummoxed by music theory. But like the story beats, elements of music theory are fallbacks to help make a composition better. You don't want to write a piece of music entirely by them or it would sound dreadful. Stuck on the next phrase of your tune? Try a retrograde inversion of your current phrase. On 07/22/2013 02:37 PM, Share Long wrote: Well noozguru, I mainly wrote screenplays as a student and as a hobby. And yes, I realize those phrases are unparallel structures. Anyway, none produced though somewhere I have a lovely rejection letter from Bob Redford (-: I think there are formulas and I think they can work wonderfully because they are all based on the human brain and physiology. I know that doesn't sound very creative but actually I think it is. To fire up enough neurons in the brains of the audience so that they recognize the story as familiar. And yet to have enough new elements in the script to fire up some new neuronal pathways. Seen from one perspective, isn't this what all great art does? Of course artists don't think in these terms. I think the great ones are more plugged into totality than the rest of us. And they're not afraid to express from that place. I'm thinking of Woody Allen now. Whatever I think of him as I person, I admire him as an artist. I love that he was willing to keep expressing, which means sometimes he made mediocre films and sometimes he totally bombed. But IMHO he created a few masterpieces which advanced the art form and fired up some new neuronal pathways for his viewers. It's artists like this that we can easily watch and enjoy many, many times. In my experience, there are some deeper elements at work that go beyond the story. And all great art must have a rhythm that is compatible with our human rhythm. More later. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting Chime in because you say you've studied screen writing and have written scripts. Any produced? What do you think of these formulas? Then there are 8 and 9 act formulas too. I just came back from having lunch with a friend with connections at Lionsgate who we can pitch TV series to if we come up with one. Let's see, Adventures in a Funny Farm Lounge. :-D On 07/22/2013 12:33 PM, Share Long wrote: Really fun to read turqbarry noozbarry and merubarry talking about all this (-: From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting Splendid idea-- For those who are not so familiar with the beating check out Blake Snyder's homepage http://www.blakesnyder.com/ including The Despicable Me 2 Beat Sheet This Gru-some beat sheet breaks down the three-act structure into bite-size, manageable sections, each with a specific goal-pattern can be used for your overall FFL story posting millions of minions http://www.blakesnyder.com/category/beat-sheet/ And , of course, for our software lovers, and blank-filler and- or shooter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES-2pyCTzB0 Story Structure Software 3.0 ,Save the Cat! Version 3 for only $99.95 (Structure a story that resonates with the hear beats of all your FFL posters by filling in this form with Blake's 15 beats.-In the mood for horror posting at FFL but can't nail the story? Unleash your inner Stephen King!-You have two days to visit Paris and, aspiring screenwriter /FFL poster that you are, you know those 48 hours have to count :15 beats for a rant!) Or accomplish this splendid idea and contest with some chart from Plot whisperer(no kidding)including Energetic Marker and Awakenings) Here: http://ingridsnotes.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/final-revision_traditional-mountain-structure-handout_8-5x14.jpg FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I'm waiting for Turq's daily rant written using the 15 beats. Or maybe we ought to have a posting contest for posts using the 15 beats. I was looking through those and imagining posts written that way. :-D On 07/21/2013 01:34 PM, merudanda wrote: Thanks ,great post about cartoonish society of Hollywood and fill in the blank [:D] In Solving Equation of a Hit Film Script, With Data-Forget zombies. The data crunchers are invading Hollywood. http://tinyurl.com/kq3rfqr wrote Ol Parker( The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel.) It's the enemy of creativity, nothing more than an attempt
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noozguru, IMHO very good karma for you with music. Supposedly I have a raj yoga for music but mainly it means I love music. And sometimes I love to set words to favorite movie themes. And when I was a kid, I took 1 or 2 accordian lessons. Replying to a heap of posts: I think there are some folks in FF who are counting on kaya kalp to increase longevity. But supposedly all teeth and hair fall out, etc. The jyotishis told me I'd live to early 90s. That's good enough for me. And I agree that every day alive after age 50 is a gift. Yep, Adventures of the Funny Farm Lounge sounds good, like maybe a hybrid of West Wing and Seinfeld (-: Why oh why isn't there a high speed train across the US? And a car train at that. Yeah, I like the idea of life as a dark comedy. Or a light tragedy. Once you said beej mantras are good for certain stages of life. Another time you said they're good for all stages. Perhaps a koan? The idea that people can lose their homes when they're already paid for, that definitely sounds like Kali Yuga to me. Something on chem trails that I just received: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2x6TEeknfo From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting Musical theory was my forte in college probably because I had studied since I was a kid and writing compositions. I would even tutor some of the scholarship performance students who could really play but were flummoxed by music theory. But like the story beats, elements of music theory are fallbacks to help make a composition better. You don't want to write a piece of music entirely by them or it would sound dreadful. Stuck on the next phrase of your tune? Try a retrograde inversion of your current phrase. On 07/22/2013 02:37 PM, Share Long wrote: Well noozguru, I mainly wrote screenplays as a student and as a hobby. And yes, I realize those phrases are unparallel structures. Anyway, none produced though somewhere I have a lovely rejection letter from Bob Redford (-: I think there are formulas and I think they can work wonderfully because they are all based on the human brain and physiology. I know that doesn't sound very creative but actually I think it is. To fire up enough neurons in the brains of the audience so that they recognize the story as familiar. And yet to have enough new elements in the script to fire up some new neuronal pathways. Seen from one perspective, isn't this what all great art does? Of course artists don't think in these terms. I think the great ones are more plugged into totality than the rest of us. And they're not afraid to express from that place. I'm thinking of Woody Allen now. Whatever I think of him as I person, I admire him as an artist. I love that he was willing to keep expressing, which means sometimes he made mediocre films and sometimes he totally bombed. But IMHO he created a few masterpieces which advanced the art form and fired up some new neuronal pathways for his viewers. It's artists like this that we can easily watch and enjoy many, many times. In my experience, there are some deeper elements at work that go beyond the story. And all great art must have a rhythm that is compatible with our human rhythm. More later. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting Chime in because you say you've studied screen writing and have written scripts. Any produced? What do you think of these formulas? Then there are 8 and 9 act formulas too. I just came back from having lunch with a friend with connections at Lionsgate who we can pitch TV series to if we come up with one. Let's see, Adventures in a Funny Farm Lounge. :-D On 07/22/2013 12:33 PM, Share Long wrote: Really fun to read turqbarry noozbarry and merubarry talking about all this (-: From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting Splendid idea-- For those who are not so familiar with the beating check out Blake Snyder's homepage http://www.blakesnyder.com/ including The Despicable Me 2 Beat Sheet This Gru-some beat sheet breaks down the three-act structure into bite-size, manageable sections, each with a specific goal-pattern can be used for your overall FFL story posting millions of minions http://www.blakesnyder.com/category/beat-sheet/ And , of course, for our software lovers, and blank-filler and- or shooter: http
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting
I'm waiting for Turq's daily rant written using the 15 beats. Or maybe we ought to have a posting contest for posts using the 15 beats. I was looking through those and imagining posts written that way. :-D On 07/21/2013 01:34 PM, merudanda wrote: Thanks ,great post about cartoonish society of Hollywood and fill in the blank [:D] In Solving Equation of a Hit Film Script, With Data-Forget zombies. The data crunchers are invading Hollywood. http://tinyurl.com/kq3rfqr http://tinyurl.com/kq3rfqr wrote Ol Parker( The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel.) It's the enemy of creativity, nothing more than an attempt to mimic that which has worked before. It can only result in an increasingly bland homogenization, a pell-mell rush for the middle of the road. and a comment by Pure Snake Oil from Kansas City wrote: When you hire execs who can't read a script, have no movie, literature, or artistic insight or training, you create a mentality that everything can be measured by meta-data and statistics. The best film experience is an emotional experience, connecting to the heart and soul of an audience. These are not the elements that an algorithm can measure, it's a measure of humanity itself. and Birgitte Rasine from Silicon Valley: Some tend to think that the American moviegoer is too uneducated and uncultured to choose the art film and that's why the mindless action thrillers rake in so much cash. Wrong. It's years of US distributors selecting mindless action flick after mindless action flick that has shaped our tastes (speaking very generally), while distributors in Europe chose films they felt had value as art and as great stories. In a word, it's habit. Yes When was it when the word formulaic was the ultimate insult for a script. Now it's seen as something positive? Yes its very late good night or better good morning.. [:x] Will see if there is time for The Power of Few --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Hollywood started out as a factory operation. It started because the east coast entrepreneurs of nickelodeons wanted to make more money by making their own films and Edison wanted his royalties for the technology. So they took off to the orchards of southern California where they were out of reach of Edison's patent agents. IOW, Hollywood was founded by pirates so them going after people who download a few movies (and sometimes may not even watch them) is a bit hypocritical. Frankly I don't have time to read all these articles right now but I know what has been going on in the industry. Doing movies or anything by focus groups is fraught with error. I've been on the other side of the two-way mirror for focus groups and watched people struggle with giving any kind of useful feedback. We developers figured this was happening only because marketing wanted it and not very useful. This is also why you have food that is too salty, too sweet and has MSG in it because some focus groups told them people like it. You know what people in focus groups like? The check they get afterwards. That and formula film making don't work. I happened to watch the Evil Dead redo the other night and thought it was horrible. I recall the original was a bit of a dark comedy of errors. This one was just a gore fest. Much better though a little weak in the opening acts is The Power of Few which has a bit of spiritual context and an independent film where no formulaic bean counters were telling the writer/director what to do. It features Christopher Walken and Christian Slater and a few other known actors. I rented the DVD at Redbox but I wouldn't be surprised if it shows up on Netflix WI in a few weeks. It's not horror and though R I still think Buck might even enjoy it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJuovcCmL9k (Let's see the trailer is an ad for the movie so why put an ad before it?) The ideal is sorta like the way art galleries work. The filmmaker makes a movie and a distributor picks it up. The distributor plays the role the art gallery and art gallery don't generally go around telling artists what to paint. They pick stuff that they feel people will want to buy. Of course making a movie can be very expensive or used to be. You can make really good looking movies with cameras that cost under $5000 and own them instead of renting. No need for bad actors either as colleges generate plenty of aspiring drama grads who can actually act.d It's all about how creative you can be and economy of means. If you have a compelling story people will want to see it. Art doesn't belong in an factory operation. That may have worked back when film didn't amount to much. Now audiences want more. TV networks have been blindsided by Netflix, Amazon and VUDU. People would rather invest 90 minutes in one complete story than be strung out on a so-so TV series that has turned in its later season to just be a paycheck
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting
On 07/22/2013 11:26 AM, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: I'm waiting for Turq's daily rant written using the 15 beats. Or maybe we ought to have a posting contest for posts using the 15 beats. I was looking through those and imagining posts written that way. :-D Warped minds think alike. :-) I actually was toying with both of these ideas earlier, but followed up on neither. I *did* like the article, and recognize the (gulp!) truth of and the effectiveness of the formula. And I am the first to admit that a film or TV episode can be brilliant and wonderful even if it slavishly follows this formula. But in real life the only formula I have ever written to was haiku -- the number of syllables, and all. I've never even felt constrained, when attempting poetry, to stick to the formulas of rhyme and meter often associated with that art. If asked to pin down my approach to anything creative I write, I would have to describe it as bardish. That is, I wind up approaching the writing the way a traveling bard of old might have approached coming upon an open fire in the wilderness late at night, being invited to join the party huddled around it, and then -- having been recognized, possibly by the harp you are carrying, as a bard -- being invited to pay for your spot around the fire by telling a story. For the fellow travelers around the fire, the story that emerges as the result of such a request is a one- time event, here and Now. They will draw whatever magic they can from the tale told during the next hour in which it is being told, or they will miss the magic forever. There are no do overs when it comes to bardic tales, and the appreciation thereof. You either get it as it is being told, or you do not. For the bard, however, the request inspires another kind of koan. The crowd has asked for a tale, and you have many. Which is the appropriate one to tell tonight? How will you manage to tell it in such a way as to cause everyone in the audience to believe that it is the first and only time you have ever told this tale? Because -- from the bard's side -- that is the magic of telling stories. Every one is new. Even if you have told it a thousand times before. When telling a story be it around a campfire or bar table one usually watches for cues that your audience is losing interest which means even if it's true you start to embellish to keep their interest. I like to record TV shows on my computer and then edit them with the free Linux OpenShot editor cutting out the commercials. I realized the commercials came in blocks and that the number of blocks had increased. So I did a search and came up with several articles on the 1 hour TV series format including the in-depth one I posted the link to by one of the writers for Charlie Jade and a number of other well known shows. The hour long TV show has 5 or 6 acts and it's funny to watch them end an act at a high point. Back in the day the formula was 2 acts which I relate to well being that music is often written in antecedent consequence phrases. IOW, question then answer. In the first season of HBO's Treme John Goldman played a literature professor who in one of his lectures tells the class that all novels are about a hero solving a problem. That's it in a nutshell and the same can be said for any story, movie or TV show. I still think that subconsciously writers still write TV shows in two acts. They just break scenes up into the 5 or 6 acts. The reason I wanted to know the format was to quickly find and remove commercials. I had some software that did that but it depended on the black screen break, lack of network bug and HD shows with SD commercials. But that wound up with me still have to manually edit some sections due to all HD commercials. I think the three act format evolved to stretch out the hero trying to find a solution to the problem before solving it in the third act. For longer plays and movies you would need that though I have seen movies that were definitely two acts. Two act plays seem a lot easier to write than trying to figure out what you're going to do with the second act in a three act.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting
Really fun to read turqbarry noozbarry and merubarry talking about all this (-: From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting Splendid idea-- For those who are not so familiar with the beating check out Blake Snyder's homepage http://www.blakesnyder.com/ including The Despicable Me 2 Beat Sheet This Gru-some beat sheet breaks down the three-act structure into bite-size, manageable sections, each with a specific goal-pattern can be used for your overall FFL story posting millions of minions http://www.blakesnyder.com/category/beat-sheet/ And , of course, for our software lovers, and blank-filler and- or shooter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES-2pyCTzB0 Story Structure Software 3.0 ,Save the Cat! Version 3 for only $99.95 (Structure a story that resonates with the hear beats of all your FFL posters by filling in this form with Blake's 15 beats.-In the mood for horror posting at FFL but can't nail the story? Unleash your inner Stephen King!-You have two days to visit Paris and, aspiring screenwriter /FFL poster that you are, you know those 48 hours have to count :15 beats for a rant!) Or accomplish this splendid idea and contest with some chart from Plot whisperer(no kidding)including Energetic Marker and Awakenings) Here: http://ingridsnotes.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/final-revision_traditional-mountain-structure-handout_8-5x14.jpg FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I'm waiting for Turq's daily rant written using the 15 beats. Or maybe we ought to have a posting contest for posts using the 15 beats. I was looking through those and imagining posts written that way. :-D On 07/21/2013 01:34 PM, merudanda wrote: Thanks ,great post about cartoonish society of Hollywood and fill in the blank [:D] In Solving Equation of a Hit Film Script, With Data-Forget zombies. The data crunchers are invading Hollywood. http://tinyurl.com/kq3rfqr wrote Ol Parker( The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel.) It's the enemy of creativity, nothing more than an attempt to mimic that which has worked before. It can only result in an increasingly bland homogenization, a pell-mell rush for the middle of the road. and a comment by Pure Snake Oil from Kansas City wrote: When you hire execs who can't read a script, have no movie, literature, or artistic insight or training, you create a mentality that everything can be measured by meta-data and statistics. The best film experience is an emotional experience, connecting to the heart and soul of an audience. These are not the elements that an algorithm can measure, it's a measure of humanity itself. and Birgitte Rasine from Silicon Valley: Some tend to think that the American moviegoer is too uneducated and uncultured to choose the art film and that's why the mindless action thrillers rake in so much cash. Wrong. It's years of US distributors selecting mindless action flick after mindless action flick that has shaped our tastes (speaking very generally), while distributors in Europe chose films they felt had value as art and as great stories. In a word, it's habit. Yes When was it when the word formulaic was the ultimate insult for a script. Now it's seen as something positive? Yes its very late good night or better good morning.. [:x] Will see if there is time for The Power of Few --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Hollywood started out as a factory operation. It started because the east coast entrepreneurs of nickelodeons wanted to make more money by making their own films and Edison wanted his royalties for the technology. So they took off to the orchards of southern California where they were out of reach of Edison's patent agents. IOW, Hollywood was founded by pirates so them going after people who download a few movies (and sometimes may not even watch them) is a bit hypocritical. Frankly I don't have time to read all these articles right now but I know what has been going on in the industry. Doing movies or anything by focus groups is fraught with error. I've been on the other side of the two-way mirror for focus groups and watched people struggle with giving any kind of useful feedback. We developers figured this was happening only because marketing wanted it and not very useful. This is also why you have food that is too salty, too sweet and has MSG in it because some focus groups told them people like it. You know what people in focus groups like? The check they get afterwards. That and formula film making don't work. I happened to watch the Evil Dead redo the other night and thought it was horrible. I recall the original was a bit of a dark comedy of errors. This one was just
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting
Chime in because you say you've studied screen writing and have written scripts. Any produced? What do you think of these formulas? Then there are 8 and 9 act formulas too. I just came back from having lunch with a friend with connections at Lionsgate who we can pitch TV series to if we come up with one. Let's see, Adventures in a Funny Farm Lounge. :-D On 07/22/2013 12:33 PM, Share Long wrote: Really fun to read turqbarry noozbarry and merubarry talking about all this (-: From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting Splendid idea-- For those who are not so familiar with the beating check out Blake Snyder's homepage http://www.blakesnyder.com/ including The Despicable Me 2 Beat Sheet This Gru-some beat sheet breaks down the three-act structure into bite-size, manageable sections, each with a specific goal-pattern can be used for your overall FFL story posting millions of minions http://www.blakesnyder.com/category/beat-sheet/ And , of course, for our software lovers, and blank-filler and- or shooter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES-2pyCTzB0 Story Structure Software 3.0 ,Save the Cat! Version 3 for only $99.95 (Structure a story that resonates with the hear beats of all your FFL posters by filling in this form with Blake's 15 beats.-In the mood for horror posting at FFL but can't nail the story? Unleash your inner Stephen King!-You have two days to visit Paris and, aspiring screenwriter /FFL poster that you are, you know those 48 hours have to count :15 beats for a rant!) Or accomplish this splendid idea and contest with some chart from Plot whisperer(no kidding)including Energetic Marker and Awakenings) Here: http://ingridsnotes.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/final-revision_traditional-mountain-structure-handout_8-5x14.jpg FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I'm waiting for Turq's daily rant written using the 15 beats. Or maybe we ought to have a posting contest for posts using the 15 beats. I was looking through those and imagining posts written that way. :-D On 07/21/2013 01:34 PM, merudanda wrote: Thanks ,great post about cartoonish society of Hollywood and fill in the blank [:D] In Solving Equation of a Hit Film Script, With Data-Forget zombies. The data crunchers are invading Hollywood. http://tinyurl.com/kq3rfqr wrote Ol Parker( The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel.) It's the enemy of creativity, nothing more than an attempt to mimic that which has worked before. It can only result in an increasingly bland homogenization, a pell-mell rush for the middle of the road. and a comment by Pure Snake Oil from Kansas City wrote: When you hire execs who can't read a script, have no movie, literature, or artistic insight or training, you create a mentality that everything can be measured by meta-data and statistics. The best film experience is an emotional experience, connecting to the heart and soul of an audience. These are not the elements that an algorithm can measure, it's a measure of humanity itself. and Birgitte Rasine from Silicon Valley: Some tend to think that the American moviegoer is too uneducated and uncultured to choose the art film and that's why the mindless action thrillers rake in so much cash. Wrong. It's years of US distributors selecting mindless action flick after mindless action flick that has shaped our tastes (speaking very generally), while distributors in Europe chose films they felt had value as art and as great stories. In a word, it's habit. Yes When was it when the word formulaic was the ultimate insult for a script. Now it's seen as something positive? Yes its very late good night or better good morning.. [:x] Will see if there is time for The Power of Few --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Hollywood started out as a factory operation. It started because the east coast entrepreneurs of nickelodeons wanted to make more money by making their own films and Edison wanted his royalties for the technology. So they took off to the orchards of southern California where they were out of reach of Edison's patent agents. IOW, Hollywood was founded by pirates so them going after people who download a few movies (and sometimes may not even watch them) is a bit hypocritical. Frankly I don't have time to read all these articles right now but I know what has been going on in the industry. Doing movies or anything by focus groups is fraught with error. I've been on the other side of the two-way mirror for focus groups and watched people struggle with giving any kind of useful feedback. We developers figured this was happening only because marketing wanted it and not very useful. This is also why you have food
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting
Well noozguru, I mainly wrote screenplays as a student and as a hobby. And yes, I realize those phrases are unparallel structures. Anyway, none produced though somewhere I have a lovely rejection letter from Bob Redford (-: I think there are formulas and I think they can work wonderfully because they are all based on the human brain and physiology. I know that doesn't sound very creative but actually I think it is. To fire up enough neurons in the brains of the audience so that they recognize the story as familiar. And yet to have enough new elements in the script to fire up some new neuronal pathways. Seen from one perspective, isn't this what all great art does? Of course artists don't think in these terms. I think the great ones are more plugged into totality than the rest of us. And they're not afraid to express from that place. I'm thinking of Woody Allen now. Whatever I think of him as I person, I admire him as an artist. I love that he was willing to keep expressing, which means sometimes he made mediocre films and sometimes he totally bombed. But IMHO he created a few masterpieces which advanced the art form and fired up some new neuronal pathways for his viewers. It's artists like this that we can easily watch and enjoy many, many times. In my experience, there are some deeper elements at work that go beyond the story. And all great art must have a rhythm that is compatible with our human rhythm. More later. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting Chime in because you say you've studied screen writing and have written scripts. Any produced? What do you think of these formulas? Then there are 8 and 9 act formulas too. I just came back from having lunch with a friend with connections at Lionsgate who we can pitch TV series to if we come up with one. Let's see, Adventures in a Funny Farm Lounge. :-D On 07/22/2013 12:33 PM, Share Long wrote: Really fun to read turqbarry noozbarry and merubarry talking about all this (-: From: merudanda no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 1:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting Splendid idea-- For those who are not so familiar with the beating check out Blake Snyder's homepage http://www.blakesnyder.com/ including The Despicable Me 2 Beat Sheet This Gru-some beat sheet breaks down the three-act structure into bite-size, manageable sections, each with a specific goal-pattern can be used for your overall FFL story posting millions of minions http://www.blakesnyder.com/category/beat-sheet/ And , of course, for our software lovers, and blank-filler and- or shooter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES-2pyCTzB0 Story Structure Software 3.0 ,Save the Cat! Version 3 for only $99.95 (Structure a story that resonates with the hear beats of all your FFL posters by filling in this form with Blake's 15 beats.-In the mood for horror posting at FFL but can't nail the story? Unleash your inner Stephen King!-You have two days to visit Paris and, aspiring screenwriter /FFL poster that you are, you know those 48 hours have to count :15 beats for a rant!) Or accomplish this splendid idea and contest with some chart from Plot whisperer(no kidding)including Energetic Marker and Awakenings) Here: http://ingridsnotes.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/final-revision_traditional-mountain-structure-handout_8-5x14.jpg FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: I'm waiting for Turq's daily rant written using the 15 beats. Or maybe we ought to have a posting contest for posts using the 15 beats. I was looking through those and imagining posts written that way. :-D On 07/21/2013 01:34 PM, merudanda wrote: Thanks ,great post about cartoonish society of Hollywood and fill in the blank [:D] In Solving Equation of a Hit Film Script, With Data-Forget zombies. The data crunchers are invading Hollywood. http://tinyurl.com/kq3rfqr wrote Ol Parker( The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel.) It's the enemy of creativity, nothing more than an attempt to mimic that which has worked before. It can only result in an increasingly bland homogenization, a pell-mell rush for the middle of the road. and a comment by Pure Snake Oil from Kansas City wrote: When you hire execs who can't read a script, have no movie, literature, or artistic insight or training, you create a mentality that everything can be measured by meta-data and statistics. The best film experience is an emotional experience, connecting to the heart and soul of an audience. These are not the elements that an algorithm can measure, it's a measure of humanity itself
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Great review of a controversial (because it's right) book on screenwriting
Hollywood started out as a factory operation. It started because the east coast entrepreneurs of nickelodeons wanted to make more money by making their own films and Edison wanted his royalties for the technology. So they took off to the orchards of southern California where they were out of reach of Edison's patent agents. IOW, Hollywood was founded by pirates so them going after people who download a few movies (and sometimes may not even watch them) is a bit hypocritical. Frankly I don't have time to read all these articles right now but I know what has been going on in the industry. Doing movies or anything by focus groups is fraught with error. I've been on the other side of the two-way mirror for focus groups and watched people struggle with giving any kind of useful feedback. We developers figured this was happening only because marketing wanted it and not very useful. This is also why you have food that is too salty, too sweet and has MSG in it because some focus groups told them people like it. You know what people in focus groups like? The check they get afterwards. That and formula film making don't work. I happened to watch the Evil Dead redo the other night and thought it was horrible. I recall the original was a bit of a dark comedy of errors. This one was just a gore fest. Much better though a little weak in the opening acts is The Power of Few which has a bit of spiritual context and an independent film where no formulaic bean counters were telling the writer/director what to do. It features Christopher Walken and Christian Slater and a few other known actors. I rented the DVD at Redbox but I wouldn't be surprised if it shows up on Netflix WI in a few weeks. It's not horror and though R I still think Buck might even enjoy it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJuovcCmL9k (Let's see the trailer is an ad for the movie so why put an ad before it?) The ideal is sorta like the way art galleries work. The filmmaker makes a movie and a distributor picks it up. The distributor plays the role the art gallery and art gallery don't generally go around telling artists what to paint. They pick stuff that they feel people will want to buy. Of course making a movie can be very expensive or used to be. You can make really good looking movies with cameras that cost under $5000 and own them instead of renting. No need for bad actors either as colleges generate plenty of aspiring drama grads who can actually act.d It's all about how creative you can be and economy of means. If you have a compelling story people will want to see it. Art doesn't belong in an factory operation. That may have worked back when film didn't amount to much. Now audiences want more. TV networks have been blindsided by Netflix, Amazon and VUDU. People would rather invest 90 minutes in one complete story than be strung out on a so-so TV series that has turned in its later season to just be a paycheck for the production company. Regarding formulaic script writing, I determined some time ago there is no one way to write a script. It's story telling. In some cases you one might do better either telling a story like you would to friends to a voice recorder app rather than writing it down. Or maybe writing an outline and filling in the rest. The academic structure is just a tool to help you fix where your story has gone weak. We have the same thing in music where tools can help you fix a composition where it has fallen down. Also I think a lot of aspiring screenplay writers just seem to write and re-write one script over and over. They should try writing a bunch of them instead and will find like any other art form they learn each time and get better at it. And aspiring Joss Whedons need to remember it was his family dharma as his grandfather even wrote for TV. On 07/21/2013 11:07 AM, merudanda wrote: NICE!! Dear Bhairitu -guru please,please tell us it was like a bomb ripped through Hollywood and movies are America's greatest art form are only self-serving and over-dramatic assertions of a nothing-new a tunnel-visioned , flippant and misinformed articleabout Film 101 and a merchandizing picking pocketing raucous hustling, an unbridled global carnival entertainmententertainmententertainment industry. BTW Correlation-digging are fun but does not imply causation. HMMMh what was first formulaic-franchised thinking or formulaic -franchised writing- Wouldn't you agree with :Theory is for analyzing works that have already been created, it's not a manual to follow in creating them. And. Having rules and certain guidelines to follow seems to be essential. for writing instruction manual or a pharmaceutical regulatory document [:D] or- well [;)] -writing a scientific paper to be published Stay tuned for the next thrilling installment, for the shocking revelation by Suderman that there are only six plots in all of fiction!-and
