On 9/14/05 11:18 AM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I apologize. I seem to have gotten off on the wrong foot. I am all for
> discussion. And sharing impressions and views.
No apology necessary, all is well.
> And I do feel there may be links to SCs and the global sex trade. And
> g
On 9/13/05 8:27 PM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is it kind of a struggle going in to these club, believing these clubs
> are used for sex, where some dancers are drug addicts who work for
> their fix and are exploited for sex by he owners, where the
> exploitation of women who are
On 9/13/05 8:07 PM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That was my understanding. Was that not your meaning? If not, then you
> must be referring to your views not being influenced by Bada Bing. If
> this is the case, and you are denying the first option, then you seem
> to be implying
On 9/13/05 7:01 PM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This counters your prior statment that you had lots of empirical
> experiecne in modern clubs.
Then please quote me where I made this alleged statement that I've had
"lot's of empirical experience".
Yaho
On 9/13/05 6:54 PM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't frequent them. Very rarely. I am just stating that the ones I
> have bben to are not the dens of inequity that you conjur up in your mind.
I never used that phrase, nor do I necessarily think of these clubs that
way. For me
On 9/13/05 3:21 PM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have read it. I read it 2 years ago. I read it yesterdy before you
> posted it. It is laughable. I will post why later.
OK...
>
> If that article is how you "got" it, its getting all pretty clear that
> you have little or no exp
On 9/13/05 3:16 PM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And how does this directly link to observed, not hypothetical,
> exploitation in exotic dance clubs? Be specific.
I've observed these trends over my life. One (hopefully) has some awareness
of what's going on around them--and some sen
On 9/13/05 2:58 PM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nice dismissive answer. Now can you go beyond that and actually make a
> factual, current data and/or observation case as to why strip clubs
> exploit women as sex objects.
Read the brief study abstract I posted. If you don't get it
On 9/13/05 2:48 PM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
John Lennon said it when he said "Woman is the nigger of the world."
>>>
>>> OK. So how does that make a case that US dancers, in modern clubs,
> are exp
On 9/13/05 10:57 AM, "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, Vaj and I used to hit the Pop-a-Top in Ottumwa.
That is, until I perfected the X-ray vision siddhi ;-)
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--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On 9/13/05 7:33 AM, "TurquoiseB"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> > Vaj, I like you, but I have to wonder whether you
> have
> > actually ever *been* to a strip club.
>
> Yes!
>
> >
> > Yes
This study supports the anecdotal experience of
several exotic dancer clients I've had. They all hated
the work, had very negative feelings toward men. They
only did it for the money and because it was quick and
offbook.
But is it exploitive? I see exploitation as a matter
of degree. Yes, it is a
Holsopple, Kelly. 1999. "Stripclubs According to Strippers." Making the
Harm Visible: Global Sexual Exploitation of Women and Girls, eds. Donna
Hughes and Claire Roche, Kingston RI: Coalition Against Trafficking In
Women.
The Glamorous Life of the Stripper
Excerpted from a 1999 study by Kelly
On 9/13/05 7:33 AM, "TurquoiseB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Vaj, I like you, but I have to wonder whether you have
> actually ever *been* to a strip club.
Yes!
>
> Yes, it's sad that our society is so sexually biased
> that one of the only options women who don't want to
> work for low
--- off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
--- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > [...]
> > > Exactly. Those who are reacting to strip clubs
> as
> > > negative are uncomforta
On 9/12/05 11:03 PM, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
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>>
>> --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>> It's interesting. the dark side of these people who
>>> try to pass themselves
>>> off as the latest guru. T
On 9/12/05 7:57 PM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As I have said, I am open to the possiblity that contemporary
> dancers in modern US club are exploited, but I have yet to see any
> compelling evidence of such. If there is such evidence in abundance, I
> have been inept in finding
On 9/12/05 7:09 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm sorry, but the idea that in this day and age
> there are still intelligent people who have to be
> educated as to how strip clubs exploit women as
> sex objects is just too depressing to contemplate.
Amen. It's almost not worth
On 9/12/05 7:00 PM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I know this is a fictional account, but I do believe in a large
> number of cases it is an accurate picture, watch a couple of Soprano
> episodes. The mob runs t
I know this is a fictional account, but I do believe in a large number of
cases it is an accurate picture, watch a couple of Soprano episodes. The mob
runs their act out of a north Jersey strip club called "Bada Bing". This is
the local strip joint--not the upscale "gentleman's clubs" or the Moulin
--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > Strip clubs exploit women as sex objects.
> >
> > Yes and no. I've had several clients who were
> "exotic"
> > dancers a
--- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/12/05 4:59 PM, "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > >> The other part of that question is how did
> you
> > >> know it was true?
> > >>
> > >> Jo
On 9/12/05 4:59 PM, "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The other part of that question is how did you
>> know it was true?
>>
>> JohnY
>
> I know!
If you knew the person who told me--and I'm sure many of you here do--you
would understand. He is a man of impeccable integrity and honesty.
--- jyouells2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > It's interesting. the dark side of these people
> who
> > > try to pass themselves
> > > off as the latest guru. That
--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > It's interesting. the dark side of these people
> who
> > > try to pass themselves
> > > off as the latest guru. Tha
On 9/12/05 4:13 PM, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>> On 9/12/05 3:36 PM, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
He tried to BS the initiator who found him there, that he was there for his
sa
On 9/12/05 3:53 PM, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> This opens a question for inquiry, and I apply this to
>> myself, too. Why would such behavior on Charlie's part
>> bother us so much? He liked to look at naked women.
>> Okay I have known other people in the past that I
>> re
On 9/12/05 2:07 PM, "akasha_108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yea, it really bummed me out when I found out Krishna frequented
> gopis. And did 1000's at once. Menage a trois's might be interesting,
> but doing 1000 babes at once is sick, man.
Oh man, you don't know what you're missing!...me,
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