Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
--- Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 12/25/05 10:51 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> I was going to make a sarcastic crack here, but > don't, > >> essentially, all TMO business ventures go wrong? > The > >> only money the TMO made was from "selling" TM, > the > >> TM-sidhi-Program and holding onto real estate out > of > >> inertia and the market just happened to turn > their > >> way. > > > > MAK is still selling. Neighbors come by when they > burn themselves so > > they can smear the nectar on the burn. Its the > best burn ointment any > > of us have ever encountered by a huge (HUGE) > margin. Almost ANY first > > or second degree burn stops hurting within a few > seconds to a minute or > > so after application, the skin underneath heals > overnight or faster > > (you can actually see the red fade as you watch), > and even burn > > blisters on top of the hand turn to callous and > eventually slough off > > without scaring or any sign that there was ever a > problem. The worst > > burns I've treated that way were when a fast order > cook dipped her > > entire upper hand in the fries fryer. She was able > to continue working > > that night, and while the skin DID peel off the > next day, the skin > > underneath was healthy and she didn't feel any > pain after the first > > night and only minimal pain after the first hour. > > Are you referring to the black, sugary paste? (Tar > in a Jar) I never knew that the paste could be used as a topical ointment > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and > poor with hope and healing > http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million on 12/25/05 12:53 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, it does. Every year, I'm always amazed by how they can both stay afloat and retain their accreditation, especially with all the disappearing majors, not to mention disappearing buildings. Each year I wonder if this is going to be it, and each year they pull it off. I wonder if most of the parents sending their kids to the MSAE are aware of the siphoning. Officially, a certain percentage is tithed to International, and that is public knowledge. But in addition to that there’s a major bloodletting whenever “excess” funds accumulate. Were this not the case, a lot more could have been done over the years to make the place look nicer, pay faculty properly, attract and keep better faculty, buy equipment, computers and software, pay vendors on time, etc. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
Yeah, it does. Every year, I'm always amazed by how they can both stay afloat and retain their accreditation, especially with all the disappearing majors, not to mention disappearing buildings. Each year I wonder if this is going to be it, and each year they pull it off. I wonder if most of the parents sending their kids to the MSAE are aware of the siphoning. Sal On Dec 25, 2005, at 12:35 PM, Rick Archer wrote: "Spring time for Bevan"? :) So the TMO actually guarantees the failures of its own projects? Doesn’t it often seem that way? It almost seems intentional and maybe sometimes is. There are so many examples. For instance, the draining of funds from MIU/MUM by International, whenever there was a slight surplus. I think the university might have been thriving by now if this hadn’t been happening all these years. Same with many other projects.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million on 12/25/05 12:26 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Spring time for Bevan"? :) So the TMO actually guarantees the failures of its own projects? Doesn’t it often seem that way? It almost seems intentional and maybe sometimes is. There are so many examples. For instance, the draining of funds from MIU/MUM by International, whenever there was a slight surplus. I think the university might have been thriving by now if this hadn’t been happening all these years. Same with many other projects. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
"Spring time for Bevan"? :) So the TMO actually guarantees the failures of its own projects? Well, at least we know they're good at something. Sal On Dec 25, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Rick Archer wrote: I heard it being presented as an investment opportunity, not a donation. And according to a letter written by one of the guys working on the project, instructions from International guaranteed the project's failure. Reminds me of "The Producers."
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
on 12/25/05 11:28 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Depends on how the donation was made. Donations earmarked for a > specific purpose can be revoked if that purpose isn't achieved, or > even attempted. I heard it being presented as an investment opportunity, not a donation. And according to a letter written by one of the guys working on the project, instructions from International guaranteed the project's failure. Reminds me of "The Producers." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
on 12/25/05 11:10 AM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> on 12/25/05 1:08 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> The trailors have been sold? TOny's house was sold? >> >> No, just never used for their stated purposes. >> >>> Vedaland was >>> supposed to be paid for by for-profit investors. Did THEY get ripped >>> off also? >> >> Did they see a return on their investment? >> > Did they loose their investment? You mean could they get their money back now if they wanted to? Or will they get it back ever? Don't know. What do you think? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
on 12/25/05 10:38 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> on 12/25/05 1:08 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> The trailors have been sold? TOny's house was sold? >> >> No, just never used for their stated purposes. >> > > Tony's house is his own, is it not? He can offer to host whomever he > likes. I don't know who the legal owner is. Probably not him personally. I doubt that he had anything to do with the decision to house those now living there. >As for the trailors, that requires the pundits to get their > visas, which, post-9/11 are a apparently a bitch to obtain. If 9/11 hadn't happened, do you think the pundits would be here? They never came before as promised, pre-9/11. Why would anything be different this time? > >>> Vedaland was >>> supposed to be paid for by for-profit investors. Did THEY get ripped >>> off also? >> >> Did they see a return on their investment? > > Who? The TMO bought the land. Which investors have been ripped off? How > do you know? It's obvious that the thing hasn't generated any profit. Therefore it's obvious that no one has seen a return on their investments. The investments were raised with all sorts of inspiring info on how successful and profitable the project would be. I heard the sales pitch. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
on 12/25/05 10:51 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I was going to make a sarcastic crack here, but don't, >> essentially, all TMO business ventures go wrong? The >> only money the TMO made was from "selling" TM, the >> TM-sidhi-Program and holding onto real estate out of >> inertia and the market just happened to turn their >> way. > > MAK is still selling. Neighbors come by when they burn themselves so > they can smear the nectar on the burn. Its the best burn ointment any > of us have ever encountered by a huge (HUGE) margin. Almost ANY first > or second degree burn stops hurting within a few seconds to a minute or > so after application, the skin underneath heals overnight or faster > (you can actually see the red fade as you watch), and even burn > blisters on top of the hand turn to callous and eventually slough off > without scaring or any sign that there was ever a problem. The worst > burns I've treated that way were when a fast order cook dipped her > entire upper hand in the fries fryer. She was able to continue working > that night, and while the skin DID peel off the next day, the skin > underneath was healthy and she didn't feel any pain after the first > night and only minimal pain after the first hour. Are you referring to the black, sugary paste? (Tar in a Jar) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
I was going to make a sarcastic crack here, but don't, essentially, all TMO business ventures go wrong? The only money the TMO made was from "selling" TM, the TM-sidhi-Program and holding onto real estate out of inertia and the market just happened to turn their way. --- Premanand Paul Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There is a rumour (circulating in India), that the > source of the > sudden need for money is that certain business > ventures have gone > wrong. Probably this is common knowledge, known to > many already? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > on 12/24/05 10:06 PM, jyouells2000 at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> > > >> An investment is an investment! You are > supposed to make as much > > > money as > > >> you can from an investment. I can't see anybody > objecting to that > > > unless they > > >> are just jealous of somebody creating wealth. > My only objection > to > > > the TMO > > >> creating wealth schemes has been many are at > the expense of the > > > purpose of the > > >> organization in the first place. To get people > practicing TM. > > >> > > > > > > Bingo - It's not the profit that's unethical, > it's how the money > is > > > raised to make the original purchase. > > > > I also think there's an ethical issue with what's > done with the > profit. > > There have been instances in which local donors' > have bought a > property, but > > all the funds have left the country when it was > sold, and local > donors have > > been told to buy another one. > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and > poor with hope and healing > http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
on 12/25/05 1:08 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The trailors have been sold? TOny's house was sold? No, just never used for their stated purposes. >Vedaland was > supposed to be paid for by for-profit investors. Did THEY get ripped > off also? Did they see a return on their investment? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
on 12/24/05 10:06 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> An investment is an investment! You are supposed to make as much > money as >> you can from an investment. I can't see anybody objecting to that > unless they >> are just jealous of somebody creating wealth. My only objection to > the TMO >> creating wealth schemes has been many are at the expense of the > purpose of the >> organization in the first place. To get people practicing TM. >> > > Bingo - It's not the profit that's unethical, it's how the money is > raised to make the original purchase. I also think there's an ethical issue with what's done with the profit. There have been instances in which local donors' have bought a property, but all the funds have left the country when it was sold, and local donors have been told to buy another one. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
In a message dated 12/24/05 11:27:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW, it turns out the $122 million figure is for therenovation by the new owners. The sale price of thebuilding was much less, something like $12 million,slightly above the building's official currentvaluation.This is according to a correction just posted by Ron onTMNews; he'll probably get around to posting it here aswell. Yes Judy , I saw that before I posted. My question is how much did the original investment cost the movement and how much did they have to put into keeping the property all those years and how much did they sell it for? Did they actually make a profit? Was it worth it? No doubt when the TMO lets it be known they have sold property, they want all TB's to believe Laxmi has blessed the TMO with a great windfall. All I can say is that the property in Houston, a high rise Days Inn, they bought in the 80's recently sold. I also know it was costing them a lot of money to hold on to an eyesore that was a burden for TMO people to have to be responsible for. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
In a message dated 12/24/05 11:24:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If they were making any money (not even a killing) you people would complain that they are capitalist pigs, and if they loose money you people will say they are a bunch of incompetent hippies. It is your nature to say these things no matter what. I predict, that if it is found that they did make a profit, then people here will harp on about how the movement is all about making money.OffWorld. An investment is an investment! You are supposed to make as much money as you can from an investment. I can't see anybody objecting to that unless they are just jealous of somebody creating wealth. My only objection to the TMO creating wealth schemes has been many are at the expense of the purpose of the organization in the first place. To get people practicing TM. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
In a message dated 12/24/05 11:01:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It might be, but it's not exactly public information. Anyone remember whatthey originally paid for the Blackstone? Bingo this is the question. I hear every now and then that the TMO has sold a piece of real estate for a certain amount but nobody ever tells us how much money they sunk into it. How much the put down, how much they actually paid including interest, taxes and insurance. How much they were fined for keeping an eyesore and lack of maintenance. I can't help but believe that they are not making the "killing" they want TB's to think they are. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Movement sells building for 112 Million
on 12/24/05 8:35 AM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > $112 million. > > "A joint venture that includes Denver-based Sage Hospitality > Resources LLC has > closed > on the acquisition of the shuttered Blackstone Hotel. A non-profit > group headed > by > the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi owned the 22-story building." > > Oh, a *non-profit group* headed by Maharishi. It will be most > interesting to follow the money and see what they do with it this > time. It might be, but it's not exactly public information. Anyone remember what they originally paid for the Blackstone? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
