Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
what makes you think I failed, dummy? Because I am not trying to claim special relationship with a master (so-called) who never shows up like your mentor Benjy? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 7:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I am not trying to be unkind here, but you guys just don't get it. Dear MJ, you have no idea how grateful we all are having a failed channeler in our midst to explain everything to us !
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
ha ha ha ha ha! Buck finally got a rise out of Nabby!!! From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: The large threat here to the work of the Meissner Effect in the Domes is not saints but the administrative *prohibition* around sitting with them. That TM anti-saint policy has made hypocrites of everyone, even of Guru Dev who consuls people specifically to seek the company of saints, mahatmas and wise people. It is time to repeal the TM Anti-saint policies. Just git rid of those gnarly old TM sentiments and policy and just stop using it as punishment to create fugitive meditators. That policy has been the ruination of our Dome numbers here the way it has worked on the community. For the affect that there could have been had all these years had there been a properly numbered Meissner Effect except for the enforcement of the TM anti-saint policies has been a crime against humanity. Buck please have a checking
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Share to Judy about her criticism of Susan: Judy I don't think your criticism of Susan is valid because for all anyone knows, Robin is not around only in the sense that he currently is not posting. However, for all we know, he may be around in the sense that he reads FFL posts. In either case, it is his choice. Additionally your criticism is valid only if Robin is unwillingly not around to defend himself and if Susan knows about this. Is he incapacitated in some way? Has he been banned from FFL? And do you know for a fact that Susan knows either for a fact? In that case, your criticism would be valid. And worth respecting. Judy to Susan: now you're badmouthing him when he's not around to defend himself. That is not a behavior for which I have much respect. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Susan, I can only repeat: You did not know what Robin was about, because the MIU biggies did not want you to know what he was about. You even let yourself be convinced that he wasn't devoted to Maharishi and his teaching, when that simply was not the case. You went along with what *they* told you even though they were protecting you in the way you yourself have been eloquently objecting to recently. Robin was sui generis and should not be used as an example in this context. That would be a travesty, for the reasons I've outlined. There are plenty of others you could have used as examples instead. You made it clear while Robin was here that you didn't trust him because you had trouble following what he wrote, and now you're badmouthing him when he's not around to defend himself. That is not a behavior for which I have much respect. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: (snip) From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking elsewhere: First, to protect people from getting sidetracked from the TM path and onto a flashier but less evolutionary method. The assumption here was that TMers were in many cases unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc). (Carlsen.) Wayback, since you are obviously not that familiar with Robin's deal, you probably shouldn't use him as an example. Without going into a long dissertation, possibly the most important thing to know in this context is that according to Peter Sutphen, Bevan said Maharishi had ordered him, Bevan, to leave Robin alone when Robin showed up at MIU with his group. Bevan ignored Maharishi's instruction, and a big public mess was the result. Robin and his followers were completely dedicated to Maharishi. Maharishi had kept his eye on Robin when he was teaching in Canada (at that point most of his group were TM initiators) but never interfered. Bottom line, Robin was an anomaly, not an example of the lesser and possibly harmful crap Maharishi wanted to protect TMers from. I disagree. I was around exactly when Robin was in full cry and while I never went to hear him (and would not have bothered to being at the time a fairly loyal Tm teacher) I heard from others I trusted how odd the whole thing was. Whatever we have heard that MMY supposedly told Bevan, there is more to the story. Well, when you find out what more there was, do let us know. I'm just telling you what Peter said here that Bevan told him, and Peter is pretty reliable. Perhaps you can straighten it out with him. And as I mentioned, there's also the fact that while Maharishi kept tabs on Robin and his group of TM initiators in Canada, Maharishi never interfered, so it appears Maharishi didn't think any protection was required. The fact that MMY did not interfere says nothing about whether he felt Robin's followers needed protecting. It was not benign from what I heard from friends at that very time. People OTP or even somewhat devoted to MMY did NOT go and see or follow Robin. (Whether it is good to be OTP is a whole other discussion). Robin and his group were not considered at all to be devoted to MMY. That may be, but those doing the considering were simply uninformed (or misinformed) on that point. Even after Maharishi had to disown Robin in the court case Bevan instigated, and Robin and his group had to leave town, Robin remained loyal to Maharishi for at least a couple of years (not sure of the exact time frame).
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Judy, you said to Susan: now you're badmouthing him when he's not around to defend himself. That is not a behavior for which I have much respect. My question to Judy remains: do we know for a fact that Robin does not read FFL posts? Obviously there is a wide range of how people connect with FFL known both directly and indirectly. Directly includes: some post regularly; some post sporadically; some take long breaks from posting. Indirectly: when they return, some announce that they've been reading posts but not replying for one reason or another; some announce that they've not been reading posts for one reason or another; some say nothing about this. The ethical issues in all this are that you accused Susan of doing something which you do not prove is happening because you do not prove that Robin is not around to defend himself. And you have twisted two points that I made. If indeed Robin would appreciate the chance to respond to criticism, as you suggest below, then surely he WOULD be reading FFL, or at least occasionally archiving on his name if he was concerned about possible criticisms of him. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Judy to Share about her criticism of my criticism of Susan: LOL. I'm sure Susan is grateful for your oh-so-insightful analysis. It's entirely understandable why you would want to defend the idea that it's perfectly OK to talk about someone behind their back, as it were. I could be wrong, but I think most people feel that the ethical thing to do is to assume a person who is not posting is also not reading, and that they would appreciate the chance to respond to criticism. I seriously doubt Robin has been banned from FFL. Perhaps Alex could tell us. Such a friendly suggestion, Share. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Share to Judy about her criticism of Susan: Judy I don't think your criticism of Susan is valid because for all anyone knows, Robin is not around only in the sense that he currently is not posting. However, for all we know, he may be around in the sense that he reads FFL posts. In either case, it is his choice. Additionally your criticism is valid only if Robin is unwillingly not around to defend himself and if Susan knows about this. Is he incapacitated in some way? Has he been banned from FFL? And do you know for a fact that Susan knows either for a fact? In that case, your criticism would be valid. And worth respecting. Judy to Susan: now you're badmouthing him when he's not around to defend himself. That is not a behavior for which I have much respect. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies  Susan, I can only repeat: You did not know what Robin was about, because the MIU biggies did not want you to know what he was about. You even let yourself be convinced that he wasn't devoted to Maharishi and his teaching, when that simply was not the case. You went along with what *they* told you even though they were protecting you in the way you yourself have been eloquently objecting to recently. Robin was sui generis and should not be used as an example in this context. That would be a travesty, for the reasons I've outlined. There are plenty of others you could have used as examples instead. You made it clear while Robin was here that you didn't trust him because you had trouble following what he wrote, and now you're badmouthing him when he's not around to defend himself. That is not a behavior for which I have much respect.
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Judy, given that others sometimes read posts but don't write posts, it is reasonable to question your assertion that Robin is not around to defend himself. Especially since, as you say, people would appreciate the chance to respond to criticism. Surely if * they * are so concerned about criticism, then * they * would at least archive on their name occasionally to see if there is any! Your criticism of Susan remains invalid because you have not proven that Robin is not around to defend himself. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:01 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, you said to Susan: now you're badmouthing him when he's not around to defend himself. That is not a behavior for which I have much respect. My question to Judy remains: do we know for a fact that Robin does not read FFL posts? And my answer to Share remains: We do not NEED to know that for a fact. If we're ethical, we simply make that assumption and refrain from badmouthing a person who is not posting unless or until the person shows up. Your elaborate rationalizations are not to the point and do not reflect well on you. Obviously there is a wide range of how people connect with FFL known both directly and indirectly. Directly includes: some post regularly; some post sporadically; some take long breaks from posting. Indirectly: when they return, some announce that they've been reading posts but not replying for one reason or another; some announce that they've not been reading posts for one reason or another; some say nothing about this. The ethical issues in all this are that you accused Susan of doing something which you do not prove is happening because you do not prove that Robin is not around to defend himself. And you have twisted two points that I made. If indeed Robin would appreciate the chance to respond to criticism, as you suggest below, then surely he WOULD be reading FFL, or at least occasionally archiving on his name if he was concerned about possible criticisms of him. From: authfriend authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies  Judy to Share about her criticism of my criticism of Susan: LOL. I'm sure Susan is grateful for your oh-so-insightful analysis. It's entirely understandable why you would want to defend the idea that it's perfectly OK to talk about someone behind their back, as it were. I could be wrong, but I think most people feel that the ethical thing to do is to assume a person who is not posting is also not reading, and that they would appreciate the chance to respond to criticism. I seriously doubt Robin has been banned from FFL. Perhaps Alex could tell us. Such a friendly suggestion, Share. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Share to Judy about her criticism of Susan: Judy I don't think your criticism of Susan is valid because for all anyone knows, Robin is not around only in the sense that he currently is not posting. However, for all we know, he may be around in the sense that he reads FFL posts. In either case, it is his choice. Additionally your criticism is valid only if Robin is unwillingly not around to defend himself and if Susan knows about this. Is he incapacitated in some way? Has he been banned from FFL? And do you know for a fact that Susan knows either for a fact? In that case, your criticism would be valid. And worth respecting. Judy to Susan: now you're badmouthing him when he's not around to defend himself. That is not a behavior for which I have much respect. From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies  Susan, I can only repeat: You did not know what Robin was about, because the MIU biggies did not want you to know what he was about. You even let yourself be convinced that he wasn't devoted to Maharishi and his teaching, when that simply was not the case. You went along with what *they* told you even though they were protecting you in the way you yourself have been eloquently objecting to recently. Robin was sui generis and should not be used as an example in this context. That would be a travesty, for the reasons I've outlined. There are plenty of others you could have used as examples instead. You made it clear while Robin was here that you didn't trust him because you had trouble following what he wrote, and now you're badmouthing him when he's
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
I think Barry is hoping beyond hope that you who practice will wake up from the dream and act like you got some sense like me and Barry and Curtis, et al. Even Barry as much sense as he seems to have might have a forlorn hope. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Actually much more pathetic to have QUIT TM OVER 40 YEARS AGO, and yet, still remain obsessed with who does it, and for how long, and how it is now being marketed, and who Maharishi was, or wasn't, and your opinion on those in the TM Org, and how the sidhis work, and what they do or do not do, etc, etc, etc. Fuck dude, you spend a lot more time on TM, than most of us do, who actually practice it! Its a really odd thing, this addiction of yours, to something you haven't done for most of your life. You are unique in that way. Among anyone I have ever known, or met, or taught in class, or spoke with on a plane, or had a conversation with at a party, or at work, or written to, I have NEVER MET someone with an obsession like yours, who had nothing whatsoever to do with the object of their obsession. I have never seen this behavior before. As a result, I am really glad you live on a different continent, than I do. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Not to *mention* the fact that Judy has *never* been involved with the TM organization,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
Judy, you can plonk all you want, but can you prove that Robin is in fact, as you originally said in your criticism of Susan, not around to defend himself? Meaning not reading posts though obviously he is not writing posts in response? From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Judy, given that others sometimes read posts but don't write posts *plonk*
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then why keep blathering on about his obsession? From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies I could not care less about what Barry's, or your, intent may be. Forty years is an awfully long time to be doing the same thing, and expecting a different result. That is commonly referred to as insanity. That is why I made the statement I did about happily living on a different continent from him. I don't dig his shit, though you seem to enjoy doing so. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: I think Barry is hoping beyond hope that you who practice will wake up from the dream and act like you got some sense like me and Barry and Curtis, et al. Even Barry as much sense as he seems to have might have a forlorn hope. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies  Actually much more pathetic to have QUIT TM OVER 40 YEARS AGO, and yet, still remain obsessed with who does it, and for how long, and how it is now being marketed, and who Maharishi was, or wasn't, and your opinion on those in the TM Org, and how the sidhis work, and what they do or do not do, etc, etc, etc. Fuck dude, you spend a lot more time on TM, than most of us do, who actually practice it! Its a really odd thing, this addiction of yours, to something you haven't done for most of your life. You are unique in that way. Among anyone I have ever known, or met, or taught in class, or spoke with on a plane, or had a conversation with at a party, or at work, or written to, I have NEVER MET someone with an obsession like yours, who had nothing whatsoever to do with the object of their obsession. I have never seen this behavior before. As a result, I am really glad you live on a different continent, than I do. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Not to *mention* the fact that Judy has *never* been involved with the TM organization,
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Umm bring me up to speed on that - at the time the Domes were built, I was a starry eyed TM True Believer who wanted to be a TM teacher and was busy running the race to Inner Space by chasing the Citizen Sidha track. I always assumed that the Domes were built at the expense of the Movement (which ultimately now that I think of it means it was built with money that Marshy and Company vacuumed out of people's pockets) - did the Movement do a solicitation to raise funds for the Domes projects, or were you referring to the fact that it was all volunteer staff that did the actual labor of building? From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 12:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Dr. that is true but that just does not exactly match reality here. Doc., from a distance you would think so. But you don't live here. However, there is a much larger meditating community here that has long been spurned and disenfranchised from the Domes by a very few extremists in the middle who have their own faith-based ideology that has held the group meditation of the community hostage. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen drpsutphen@ wrote: Well, if you really want to resolve this you simply build your own dome or flying hall. A master never releases his slave. The slave decides to no longer be a slave. To think that the TMO is ever going to change its position is a waste of time. Those people are simply lost in their own minds. If they ever experienced the fruit of TM/TMSP they would be free. But they very clearly don't , so they continue to rule in their fiefdom of thought. The fact is that the larger community built the Domes to meditate in. The community should not have to build another set of Domes because a few people have locked the community out. That [build another] thinking is wrong and in fact they need to change their thinking for there to be a proper ME again in the Domes. If they cannot return a proper ME now, right now, then it is time for regime change if they can not rescind the TM Anti-saint policies that use the Domes in extortion. Something has to change for the benefit of a proper ME . -Buck In order to reach a just solution to the anti-saint policies of TM and the Dome meditation ME that is accepted by all parties, goodwill can play the role of mediator between the TM.government and its meditator community in opposition that is working hard to achieve a democracy and good governance. I do hope for the best ME we can facilitate. -Buck The gravest threat to the Maharishi Effect here and its protection of America in its support of Natural Law is our tyrannic TM anti-saint policy over meditators in the Domes. It is time to repeal the anti-saint policy for all our safety. Yep, using the Dome badge as punishment in fealty test over people while hoping to git a large and proper Meissner Effect out of the Domes is insurmountably impossible without a change in the leadership and/or the TM-anti-saint guidelines. A large change is needed right now from within TM. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds of those too blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a scam, you are in danger of losing nothing and the extremism you speak of has existed for decades - it ain't gonna change now, Pappy. It seems that extremists on both sides are determined to maintain the state of hostility and hatred between the two positions, but logic says that there should be a change of direction in order to turn a new page in this unstable relationship and minimize the state of hostility and mistrust between the two positions. From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking elsewhere: First, to protect people from getting sidetracked from the TM path and onto a flashier but less evolutionary method. The assumption here was that TMers were in many cases unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc). Second, there is value in sticking with a single path and not diluting it with other ways and creating a mishmash of approaches. Third, the TMO and MMY would suffer if the public noticed that TM'ers were still looking for
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
while I do agree that it is the TMO's prerogative to put whatever bullshit policies inplace they desire, it is typical of them to MAKE the policies bullshit, for example ASSUMING that a visit to another so-called saint MEANS that the perpetrator will ABSOLUTELY be doing something other than TMSP - its also because asses like Bevan and Doug Brix love to lord it over others so they can pretend they are some sort of demi-god like they thought Marshy was. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 1:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: I don't know, and you don't either, what the rationale behind the not some saints policy, is. As much as we enjoy seeing these TMO people as a bunch of power hungry bureaucrats, they are also responsible for how Maharishi's policies are to be be maintained, or modified. The TMO is anything but a charismatic organization, left to freewheel about the vague sayings of its founder. Maharishi was pretty specific about how TM and the TMSP are taught, and practiced. Obviously some are going to abuse their power, as in any organization, though I also recognize the significant responsibility those in the TMO feel, to uphold Maharishi's legacy. I do agree with you that trying to effect change in the Dome policies, by writing posts to FFL, will not accomplish much. It will accomplish the opposite. Any TM gov reading these pleas will conclude you are a bunch of whining, ungrateful, unstressers. They will think that all that Marshy did for you is being undermined by a bunch of selfish, daydreamers who don't know when they are onto a good thing. The *best* thing. And worse that you are happy to insist that everybody who sticks to programme rules has to put up with you bringing in new techniques or your own confused consciousness into the purity of the domes. Get real guys. You either want to be in the TMO or you don't, you can't make your own rules up about what goes on in Marshy's house, especially if it's going to annoy other people who are already inside. Bevan and co are the devoted protectors of what Marshy taught them, why should they drop their and the guru's standards just to please you? because the money is dwindling? because the fulfillment is to create heaven on earth? Looks like a good reasons to me! Has not there been trouble with a large continued donation, recently? Donating a 100 million can start chiseling at the accounting books of billionaires? If they care more about money than fulfilling Marshy's wishes then they will. Remember, their definition of heaven on earth is the establishment of a vedic civilisation (or what their idea of one is) and that will only happen with everyone on the programme. This is how they think. Well, not think, it's what they were trained to do. It's going to be the deepest thing in Bevans life. Not just his job but his whole raison d'etre. In the UK, if you want to join the community in Skelmersdale you have to watch a tape where the head of the UK movement states as clearly as possible that they are quite happy for people to experiment with other techniques or see other teachers, just don't do it there. I agree with it, decide which boat you are in or you'll end up trying to go in two directions at once. Which never works. Life is a one way street and all that encompasses this journey and brings happiness to the self and those who you wish around you, this is all the same direction! Tell them that. As I point out they are happy for you to do whatever you want. Somewhere else. Like saying one should only speak English and not learn Japanese, French, Italian, Hindi?because it MIGHT confuse a child learning? Math and dance do not coexist? Painting and Poetry are two different mediums of expression, so stick to only one? Poor analogy. If you were to try speaking English and Japanese at the same time you would encounter serious confusion. Which is a good analogy of what the TMO think will happen if you mix stuff up in the dome - it won't be as effective as just speaking one language. Ah, no. Tell that to my friends who are multilingual and learned at the same time. Tell that
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yeah, we see how well that went with Marshy ALIVE and having been given hundreds of millions of dollars to create the 10,000 pundit group - oh wait I forgot, he, Girish and the Srivastavas boys needed new Bentlys so they had to spend the money on themselves instead of for the pundit group From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 2:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: The fact is that the larger community built the Domes to meditate in. The community should not have to build another set of Domes because a few people have locked the community out. That [build another] thinking is wrong and in fact they need to change their thinking for there to be a proper ME again in the Domes. If they cannot return a proper ME now, right now, then it is time for regime change if they can not rescind the TM Anti-saint policies that use the Domes in extortion. Something has to change for the benefit of a proper ME . -Buck The fact is that the americans are not able to uphold the ME. Just look at the numbers. My suggestion; move the whole operation to India the sooner the better.
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And has Judy never once badmouthed Curtis or Vaj or SalSunshine when they are not reading the traffic? From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 3:00 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Of course, if we want to be ethical and not badmouth someone behind his back, it doesn't matter that we *think* he's reading the traffic. We don't do it unless we *know* he is, as I indicated to Share. But neither Share nor Steve is ethical enough or smart enough to understand this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: Share, If I were an odds maker, I'd put the odds at 90% that Robin reads every post on this site. Probably in Starbucks right now reading this. Hey Robin, what it is? What's your take on the Hawks/Bruins final? Como sa va. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Judy, you can plonk all you want, but can you prove that Robin is in fact, as you originally said in your criticism of Susan, not around to defend himself? Meaning not reading posts though obviously he is not writing posts in response? From: authfriend authfriend@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:50 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, given that others sometimes read posts but don't write posts *plonk*
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
and its not obsessing for for you to post over and over about Benjy Creme and his bullshit predictions and the crop circles and all the proof that exists that they are made by aliens? its obsessing if the POV disagrees with yours and functioning like Gabriel blowing his Horn if it agrees with your POV From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 2:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 9:16 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies  Actually much more pathetic to have QUIT TM OVER 40 YEARS AGO, and yet, still remain obsessed with who does it, and for how long, and how it is now being marketed, and who Maharishi was, or wasn't, and your opinion on those in the TM Org, and how the sidhis work, and what they do or do not do, etc, etc, etc. Fuck dude, you spend a lot more time on TM, than most of us do, who actually practice it! Its a really odd thing, this addiction of yours, to something you haven't done for most of your life. You are unique in that way. Among anyone I have ever known, or met, or taught in class, or spoke with on a plane, or had a conversation with at a party, or at work, or written to, I have NEVER MET someone with an obsession like yours, who had nothing whatsoever to do with the object of their obsession. I have never seen this behavior before. As a result, I am really glad you live on a different continent, than I do. :-) This, the Turqs obsession with the TMO, has been pointed out again and again for years now. How can a person who left something, anything, more than 40 (!) years ago keep obsessing and still claim to be sane ? In my book it's simply not possible.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
The Meissner effect is an expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor during its transition to the superconducting state. that don't have shit to do with a Hindu devotional practice done to receive the favor of various Goddesses which is what Ultra Hindu Fanatic Marshy the Con Artist gave to everyone under the guise of calling a simple, natural mental technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day. Of course if George Harrison had known it was a Hindu devotional practice, he would never have had to go over to the Hare Krishnas. From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds of those too blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a scam, you are in danger of losing nothing and the extremism you speak of has existed for decades - it ain't gonna change now, Pappy. It seems that extremists on both sides are determined to maintain the state of hostility and hatred between the two positions, but logic says that there should be a change of direction in order to turn a new page in this unstable relationship and minimize the state of hostility and mistrust between the two positions. From what I recall, there were 4 reasons MMY forbid looking elsewhere: First, to protect people from getting sidetracked from the TM path and onto a flashier but less evolutionary method. The assumption here was that TMers were in many cases unable to discern the difference between the Real Deal and lesser and possibly harmful crap (ie Robin Carlson, etc). Second, there is value in sticking with a single path and not diluting it with other ways and creating a mishmash of approaches. Third, the TMO and MMY would suffer if the public noticed that TM'ers were still looking for help to solve their own issues or to find a better Master. Fourth, a belief that TM was the best way and pretty much the only way to enlightenment. Yes the [TM sufficiency articles] held by the tru-believers, except clearly the meditating movement does not believe or hold them as articles of faith like our TM-taliban does. We got a problem with a few ultra-preservationist meditators in the middle of everything holding the Meissner Effect [ME] and the Dome meditation hostage with their own faith about things. -Buck in the Dome Now, whatever of the above points might be true, or not, things are different in this day and age it is a fact that people will easily be able to look at other methods to meditate, calm themselves, or evolve. To assume that once a person learns TM they will never be curious about another program or teacher or saint is ludicrous. And so is the assumption that they should be excluded from the good graces of the TMO if they do widen their horizons.The TMO has to make a decision soon: to continue to strictly follow MMYs policy from about 1970, or to soften up and realize how different our world is now and how infantalizing the old policy is. How simple it would be to just scrap the whole department that deals with the blacklisting and gatekeeping. Just say the Domes are only for the practice of TM and TMSP, but all who agree to do this are welcome. Welcome back. Everyone around the Prime Minister is saying they are only waiting for the guy to die to resolve the conflict. However in mediation let us hope for a communal peace and reconciliation in a large group meditation before then. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, and being around Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my suggestion is get out before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and money. Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country of Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me greatly. We have suffered many blows as a result of extremism. -Buck Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies  Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Urgently A 'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM movement. A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers. A meditation without fear. The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and contempt for the movement and its
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
How 'bout I channel Maitreya for you Nabby? Would you be my friend then? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: The Meissner effect is an expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor during its transition to the superconducting state. that don't have shit to do with a Hindu devotional practice done to receive the favor of various Goddesses Instead of making more new and wild claims, why don't you answer the question put to you by Steve : --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Unbelievable how ignorant people can be. and how many hours of channeling do you have under your belt?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
The answers are several; A - I have no idea B - 7thray is nearly as crazy as you and I don't generally pay attention to his stuff C - I might not have answered for the same reason you never answer the question of do you think Benjy Creme should be allowed to do presentations at the Domes? Should people who have been to see Benjy and listened to his bullshit about Maitreya be allowed to come into the Domes since you think the Aryan Purity Policy is such a good Dome idea? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: The Meissner effect is an expulsion of a magnetic field from a superconductor during its transition to the superconducting state. that don't have shit to do with a Hindu devotional practice done to receive the favor of various Goddesses Instead of making more new and wild claims, why don't you answer the question put to you by Steve : --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Unbelievable how ignorant people can be. and how many hours of channeling do you have under your belt?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies anti Gay policy as well is it still present?
Anti Gay policy was also at MIU its use to denay dome entrance its still present is it not? In a message dated 06/16/13 17:49:23 Eastern Daylight Time, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com writes:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, and being around Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my suggestion is get out before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and money. From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 11:07 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Urgently A 'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM movement. A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers. A meditation without fear. The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and contempt for the movement and its leadership inside and outside the meditating community. We need only look at the decades long slide in numbers meditating or the Dome meditation numbers. They are down and it is an uphill fight to get numbers back against the hard-heads on top. Simply to save the Dome numbers meditating there needs to come along a flat out repeal movement against these Dome policies. The Dome policies and guidelines have clearly failed to sustain our numbers and it is time and has become our larger responsibility to change those guidelines with repeal. The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with their anti-saint policies have made for a TM movement of corruption, liars and hypocrites. More than reforming, the time is come for the repeal of the anti-saint polices to save the Dome meditating program; Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome numbers. The saints are returning soon again. It is a fact of life. Repeal the TM-Anti-Saint policies now to save the Domes before it is too late.. The time has come to make your voice heard and join the Anti-Saint repeal movement for all our benefit. Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly strong parallels to the context of the 18th Amendment 'Repeal Movement' in the 20th Century. Take a look at this short piece on Pauline Sabin of the movement to repeal the 18th amendment: A theme of the undoing of the 'dry's' from early was their own self-destruct of unbending policies in the face of a reality. Sort of like TM's movement administration trying to restrict and prohibit its own people from visiting other saints and holy people and only relying on its own TM teachers and consultants. As comparison critique this is a thought provoking documentary on Pauline Sabin and the movement to repeal the 18th Amendment, Have a look: http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Baseball-The-Tenth-Inning-1199/episodes/Women-of-PROHIBITION-Pauline-Sabin-34763 Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out that he is married and has been for many years. But I wonder what excuses you make for him lying about it for so long, and to so many? That is a really tough question. That could easily be someone's scholarly thesis topic alone on Fairfield. How meditators have dealt with the deceit and moral dissonance of their leadership. That became more directly addressed in a series of posts by a range of old meditators writing on FFL between Christmas and New Year's a month ago. It was really interesting to read how different people resolved their relationship with the Tmo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Back then it seems the problems were more simply over the money, fund-raising technique and the anti-saint policy that were driving people away. Even Back then there were yet some lot of 'unknowns' like the women to be discovered. Surveying the old [meditating] community, The old survey that was done is archived here in the FFL files section. It is real interesting trend-reading to look at now. Things were in motion then even back in the '90's and early '00's and yet still unresolved now. Look in the 'files' section under the folder FFL and Fairfield Community about surveys. To be able to read the survey results here you got to be a registered yahoo groups FFL member to open the files. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: I'm very glad that Rajaram is a householder. Are you glad that he lied about it to pretty much everyone in the TM movement for many years, including
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies
As the Global Country of World Peace exists only in the minds of those too blind to see Marshy's legacy for what it was, a scam, you are in danger of losing nothing and the extremism you speak of has existed for decades - it ain't gonna change now, Pappy. From: Buck dhamiltony...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 10:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: what you fail to take into consideration is that your Taliban-like leaders took their cue from Marshy himself and that YEARS of TM, TMSP, rounding, and being around Marshy has led them to this pass - draw - my suggestion is get out before you waste anymore time, effort, energy and money. Son, what I truly wish is for moderation to return to the Country of Global Peace. This is my only wish. Extremism pains me greatly. We have suffered many blows as a result of extremism. -Buck Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Repealing TM's Anti-Saint Policies Urgently A 'repeal movement' is clearly needed now to save the TM movement. A repeal of the anti-saint policies if only to sustain a meditation group for the Dome meditation numbers. A meditation without fear. The TM movement's anti-saint policies have long bred hypocrisy and contempt for the movement and its leadership inside and outside the meditating community. We need only look at the decades long slide in numbers meditating or the Dome meditation numbers. They are down and it is an uphill fight to get numbers back against the hard-heads on top. Simply to save the Dome numbers meditating there needs to come along a flat out repeal movement against these Dome policies. The Dome policies and guidelines have clearly failed to sustain our numbers and it is time and has become our larger responsibility to change those guidelines with repeal. The Taliban-like leaders of the movement with their anti-saint policies have made for a TM movement of corruption, liars and hypocrites. More than reforming, the time is come for the repeal of the anti-saint polices to save the Dome meditating program; Repeal now the anti-saint guidelines to save the Dome numbers. The saints are returning soon again. It is a fact of life. Repeal the TM-Anti-Saint policies now to save the Domes before it is too late.. The time has come to make your voice heard and join the Anti-Saint repeal movement for all our benefit. Repealing TM's anti-saint policies it seems has terribly strong parallels to the context of the 18th Amendment 'Repeal Movement' in the 20th Century. Take a look at this short piece on Pauline Sabin of the movement to repeal the 18th amendment: A theme of the undoing of the 'dry's' from early was their own self-destruct of unbending policies in the face of a reality. Sort of like TM's movement administration trying to restrict and prohibit its own people from visiting other saints and holy people and only relying on its own TM teachers and consultants. As comparison critique this is a thought provoking documentary on Pauline Sabin and the movement to repeal the 18th Amendment, Have a look: http://www.wgbh.org/programs/Baseball-The-Tenth-Inning-1199/episodes/Women-of-PROHIBITION-Pauline-Sabin-34763 Yeah, you say this NOW, now that it's come out that he is married and has been for many years. But I wonder what excuses you make for him lying about it for so long, and to so many? That is a really tough question. That could easily be someone's scholarly thesis topic alone on Fairfield. How meditators have dealt with the deceit and moral dissonance of their leadership. That became more directly addressed in a series of posts by a range of old meditators writing on FFL between Christmas and New Year's a month ago. It was really interesting to read how different people resolved their relationship with the Tmo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Back then it seems the problems were more simply over the money, fund-raising technique and the anti-saint policy that were driving people away. Even Back then there were yet some lot of 'unknowns' like the women to be discovered. Surveying the old [meditating] community, The old survey that was done is archived here in the FFL files section. It is real interesting trend-reading to look at now. Things were in motion then even back in the '90's and early '00's and yet still unresolved now. Look in the 'files' section under the folder FFL and Fairfield Community about surveys. To be able to read the survey results here you
