I answered you, but feel free to call if you want. Please, please do not
panic. I will see if I can find some info on FIP for you outside of the
archives.
On Dec 25, 2007 2:17 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I wanted to resend this with a new subject line, since I am now able
i don't have the link in front of me--go to petsmart charities, and look up
their recorded seminars. there was one i attended a couple of months ago on
the most recent info re: FIP. it should be up on the site by now.
MC
On Dec 25, 2007 3:17 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I
Don't worry about FIV. It's very hard to transmit except through deep
penetrating bite wounds. (I have an FIV+ cat of my own, have had others, and I
moderate an FIV group. Email off-list if you want more detail on this.)
FIP -- first off all, no way can it be diagnosed visually. It's
Thank you for the information Belinda. I am going to read all of it.
Gina
MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the most important info, i believe, in
the last few years, is the research showing a genetic predisposition for the
mutation from the usually benign corona virus to the horrible
- Original Message -
From: Malone
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge (MaryChristine)
am really new to this whole situation. Adopted an abandoned tuxie and at 9
months he just got sick. 2 days later
: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
Sorry but no vet knows everything ... I personally know of this type of
vet worship costing animals their life. Just stating a fact ... take it or
leave it.
PS. I didn't call any vet a criminal
,
Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
Trajan Tennent
- Original Message -
From: Belinda
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie
Hey MC,
I, too, need to track down that 70% figure. And my understanding is that
that is 70% of healthy, *unvaccinated* cats can throw off the virus. So
with vaccinated cats it would be even better.
Is that your understanding as well?
Alley Cat Allies has some good documentation on how
males roam and
fight.
- Original Message -
From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
Hey MC,
I, too, need
I counted up the percentages in Hideyo's list and they added up to 70%.
K
On 6/29/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn
feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's
what on theirs.
@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline
foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on
theirs. http
yep, exactly!
- Original Message -
From: Kelley Saveikamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
I counted up the percentages
:* MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM
*Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn
feline foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's
aware of this.
- Original Message -
*From:* MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 10:08 AM
*Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn
feline
yeah, but all of those are not clear, exposure, infection, clearing the
virus...
but they could be the ones that were initially referenced
On 6/29/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I counted up the percentages in Hideyo's list and they added up to 70%.
K
On 6/29/07,
@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
Can you get it for me just in case my vet does not knowhe keeps up on
things..occasionally I can surprise him, like when I found
No, I think it's a regular injection type.
- Original Message -
From: MaryChristinemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
29, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
yeah, but all of those are not clear, exposure, infection, clearing the
virus...
but they could be the ones that were initially referenced
On 6/29/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
, 2007 10:15 AM
*Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
the intranasal one, hideyo?
On 6/29/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
by the way, did you know there is a now new type of felk vaccine, much
safer than traditional ones -- I will get the name if you guys
@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 10:17 AM
*Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
Can you get it for me just in case my vet does not knowhe keeps up on
things..occasionally I can surprise him, like when I found the flourescine
dye protocol for telling which
right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn feline
foundation has new position papers out on FIV/FeLV/FIP, and that's what on
theirs. http://www.winnfelinehealth.org
HOWEVER, i know that i saw that 70% figure in a number of places, and it
annoys me that i can't find it
: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
If it is that new he is not using it. He uses Meiral. Also the free
spay/neuter clinic, where I get my rescue kitties inoculated, uses Meiral.
I used to use Dr Samon for injections for all the kittes
they use killed vaccine? I here that
we should always use Killed version especially for Felk to be safe.
- Original Message -
*From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 10:27 AM
*Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed
@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
If it is that new he is not using it. He uses Meiral. Also the free
spay/neuter clinic, where I get my rescue kitties inoculated, uses
Hi
I checked the Merck Vet manual online and it has this information
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword=feline%2cleukemia
Sally
On 6/29/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
right, this 2/3 figure seems to be what's being used most often. winn
Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 10:44 AM
*Subject:* Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge
I am not sure if it is killed or not, Hideyo. I'm trying to find out, but
haven't found anything so far. I know my vet prefers them to Ft
THANKS, SALLY!
damn, one of the things i hate about the merck is that it changes every time
you read it!
years ago, in the printed version, it talked about research that showed that
at least one cat had continued to test positive on the IFA for eight months
before going negative, but then they
am really new to this whole situation. Adopted an abandoned tuxie and at 9
months he just got sick. 2 days later he was in massive shock and unable to
survive much more. My vet put him down while I held him. He told me he
tested positive for Felv. I then brought in my others a 3 year old and a 4
the most important info, i believe, in the last few years, is the research
showing a genetic predisposition for the mutation from the usually benign
corona virus to the horrible FIP. when i was still involved with VIN (the
parent of www.veterinarypartner.com that belinda references), this
My point is, IF the fluid WAS removed from my cats' bellies, sent off for the
more speicalized test that is stated in your email, (which it WAS) and it comes
back likely, I would not argue w/ that.
And my vet said that it was FIP (Serenity) or it was not (Caspian).
He has seen enogh cases,
Sorry but no vet knows everything ... I personally know of this type
of vet worship costing animals their life. Just stating a fact ... take
it or leave it.
PS. I didn't call any vet a criminal, I said and I quote:
*To say a cat is suspected to have FIP is one thing, to say is is
That's what I've heard re FIP - the genetic predisposition.
And re the stats on FELV, even if you find it, can you find what it's
based on? It's easy to throw stats around without much basis.
Course I guess I shouldn't complain too loudly, I'd really rather
they didn't do a research
I'm sorry to hear this Kelley. I don't know anything
about FIP. I hope you get a lot of good advice from
other members.
:)
Wendy
--- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have the bloodwork results if anyone wants to see
them, please email.
Thanks,
Kelley
--
Rescuties -
Lucy has it with other symptoms, and either has FIP or toxoplasmosis or
something like that. Without looking at the fluid there is no way for them to
say
it is definitely FIP, and if it is FIP she needs steroids more than
antibiotics to control the symptoms. I would get her to a bigger
Do get her to a bigger vet hospital. FIP is very hard to diagnose and really
cannot be diagnosed except by necropsy after an animal has died. Bloodwork and
analysis of the fluid can tell you if findings are consistent with FIP but
there are other curable causes of the distended belly. Hope
At 10:37 AM 1/24/2007, you wrote:
Did they do an ultrasoundIs there an obstruction,,Vomiting???A
bloated tummy is not a sure diagnosis,,,Need more diagnostic work,
Kelly
Just came home from the vet. Yesterday morning, I noticed that
Jilly, my 6 month old foster's stomach had bloated out.
It's all fluid, but they couldn't get a sample?! Doesn't that seem weird to you
guys?
Did they not have an ultrasound machine in the clinic? They should be able to
easily
find a fluid pocket using ultrasound. Take her to a different vet tomorrow if
you can
(one with a decent hospital and the
I just realized I posted the AGP normals twice and didn't post the a:g ratios at
all... here's that info:
In FIP the globulin concentration in serum or plasma is raised to over 40g/l.
Consequently the A:G is usually lowered. An A:G of 0.4 indicates FIP is quite
likely, provided that globulins
Yes, very weird indeed. TOO weird. I can not believe that they could
not get a sample.
I'd be looking for a new (and competent) vet for sure.
When I was at the shelter, even us dumb vet techs were able to get fluid
samples from those cats suspected of having FIP...
The procedure
Hi Michelle,
Sorry to hear Lucy is having a tough time. I only have limited experience with
wet FIP, (12 week old Ally) and that wasn't confirmed by necropsy, but Lucy's
symptoms do sound a bit different from what I saw. Ally never seemed to be in
any discomfort, even when her belly was quite
Hi Michelle,
I'm glad to read that Lucy is feeling better, but just for the reference
point: my Hepburn that I lost to wet FIP (also not confirmed with a
necropsy), succombed quickly, like Beth said, it was over about a week and a
half before I decided that she was suffering more than enjoying
At 09:07 AM 1/3/2007, you wrote:
Please be careful about the tummy thing. I have a few cats who look
like they are pregnantthey are not and healthy.Some have a
strange posture combined with obesity,, Lymphoma and several
treatable diseases,,It is just not that common in adult
Michelle - if she is eating well, and has not lost weight, she probably
does not have FIP - I lost only one cat to FIP a few years ago and lost
6 to dry --- but what's very consistent is that FIP cats' appetite does
go down and star losing weight - if it's wet tip, it progresses very
fast - other
: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 8:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: FIP
I want to add that the lab that did the screening on
Dukee said he had
the Feline Corona Virusgo figure. Yet they say
he isn't or is
positive for FIP.
I'm really screwed up now
They arrive half hour ago. 1:05 pm my time
Pardon me for asking do I use this as if I'm giving
vaccinations?
If so where do I inject this?
I know when I was giving my husband his injections it was
wherever he wanted it. Unfortunately the Interferon Treatment didn't work for
him for his
I want to add that the lab that did the screening on Dukee said
he had the Feline Corona Virusgo figure. Yet they say he isn't or is
positive for FIP.
I'm really screwed up now... :(
In a message dated 10/24/2006 7:54:48 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Corona
see my other post--as others have said, the only real way to diagnose
FIP is post-morten. the titre test proves nothing more than that the
cat has been exposed to one of the many corona virii--and a cat can
have a very high corona titre one week because there's a new uri in
the house, and a
seems to happen a lot in kittens around 6-8 months; after that, i
haven't seen much of a pattern. but since it's a mutation, and i
haven't seen any research on what triggers it, i'm not sure if a
declining immune system makes geriatric kitties more susceptible.
personally, i don't know of any FIP
I see it usually in kittens between 5 and 10 months. I have a geriatric cat (18) who remains tough and healthy. I have seen it too much in rescue kittens but so far always those under a year. It seems to be triggered by some stressor, very often -- but not always -- hitting within a month of
Dear Jen,
So happy you are all safe and sound! I have about caught up in my email to the description of your evacuation ordeal; my goodness!
You might direct this gentleman to Dr. Addie's website:
http://www.dr-addie.com/
She has a protocol on there for treatment with human interferon;
- Original Message -
From: Julie Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Monday, October 24, 2005 8:59 am
Subject: Re: FIP
Dear Jen,
So happy you are all safe and sound! I have about caught up in my
email to the description of your evacuation ordeal; my goodness!
You might direct this gentleman
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Julie Johnson
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005
8:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: FIP
Dear Jen,
So happy you are all safe and sound! I have about caught up in my
email to the description of your evacuation
Jen,
You may remember, my vet's liaison, Michelle Rose, at Veterinary Medical
and Surgical Group in Ventura CA (805-339-2290) has made an FDA packet
to streamline the process. She will fax it out to anyone's vet who is
interested in getting a special dispensation. She says everything they
Isn't FIP a mutation of one of the corona viruses based on the cats
own genetic makeup, or something like that?
Gloria
On Jun 12, 2005, at 9:55 PM, catatonya wrote:
I think they are saying now that it's really not that 'catchy'
because it's caused by a corona virus that most cats are or
really gets this one..
an I in the right track michelle?
kristi
From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2005/06/13 Mon AM 11:19:18 EDT
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: FIP
Isn't FIP a mutation of one of the corona viruses
http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/health/FIP.html[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
from what i understand FIP is the body's response to the mutated corona virus. i think its the virus itself not the bodies genetics but the viruses. there are many corona viruses (kind of like breeds of cats) and every once in
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 5:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Re: FIP
thanx all for the great info. I feel better about my cats being
exsposed to her but am still concerned as to wether or not she has FIP.
It almost temp taking
. I'll let you all know
what her blood work says.
From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2005/06/13 Mon PM 12:02:26 EDT
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Re: FIP
Kristi, there is a really active support group for FIP
Lane
Date: 2005/06/13 Mon AM 11:19:18 EDT
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: FIP
Isn't FIP a mutation of one of the corona viruses based on the cats
own genetic makeup, or something like that?
Gloria
On Jun 12, 2005, at 9:55 PM, catatonya wrote:
I think they are saying now that it's
Please do - I will be sending a healing energy for your kitties!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Re: FIP
thank you that info was great
I was already afraid of that. How catchy is it for my other cats? How again
is that spread- we never see it at my clinic- isn't it pretty uncommon these
days or am I confusing with another infectious disease?
She is too young for the baby aspirin or should i say too thin, she does not
weigh
It's great she is eating. FIP in itself is not contagious, according to current thinking in the veterinary community. They think it is caused by a mutation of a corona virus, but there are many corona viruses and most cats carry them and in most cats it never mutates. Corona viruses are very
Thank you for that info on FIP, that makes me feel safer for my others, another
question.. can she survive it if she has it, what are the survival rates?
Thanx again
Kristi
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 02:46:39 EDT
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: FIP
It's
In a message dated 6/12/2005 2:24:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't
mean to scare you, but it could be FIP.
Michelle,
Some years ago, one of my "fosters"
developed a very high fever of unknown origin
She was small too, but my vet did advise
rubbing
Hi, If it is FIP you may be in luck as I was. I had 18 FeLV+ cats and
was fostering a cat that turned out to have FIP and had to be put down.
I sweated it out for several mos. and I was very lucky that to my
knowedge none of my cats came down with it. If they did they were able
to fight it off. My
@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: FIP
Hi, If it is FIP you may be in luck as I was. I had 18 FeLV+ cats and
was fostering a cat that turned out to have FIP and had to be put down.
I sweated it out for several mos. and I was very lucky that to my
knowedge none of my cats came down with it. If they did
I think they are saying now that it's really not that 'catchy' because it's caused by a corona virus that most cats are or will be exposed to already. It's just that most cats exposed to the various viruses do not come down with fip and a few do.
t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was
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