Re: Asia
Wonderful news! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ditto Dianne! Nina Leslie Lawther wrote: CONGRATULATIONS!! What wonderful news for you and for Asia!!! We can always use a shot of good news! Thanks for sharing!! Leslie =^..^= On 1/23/07, Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asia is still in remission! (from lymphoma) Dianne -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
Re: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods
Check with a holistic vet or an alternative vet about drops to give before and after the procedure to help bring him out. You may want to see if laser dental work is available in your area. It is a lot faster and safer (or so I am told). If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:37 PM Subject: OT: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods Hi everyone, I know it's been posted in the past, but my cat needs dental work (too extensive to do while he's awake), and he's known to have bad reactions to anesthesia and vaccines, and so I need to know the safest way to anesthetize him for his dental work. It's ISO gas, right? What's that short for? And is that an induction agent, or will he need something else to go under? What do you absolutely NOT recommend, so I can tell them DO NOT GIVE ? I'm sure you guys all understand I'm worried to the point of neurotic this is Moogie's daddy that needs this work done. Can someone outline the entire anesthesia process for me, from intake to recovery, drug and methodology wise? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods
I think they do all run IV's during surgery and most before but some don't after, I always ask my vet to make sure it's done. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: toxoplasmosis
Michele, I already told the group my dear. sweet Puma was diagnosed w/ BOTH toxo FIP when I noticed him not right when I (finally) got home from hosp I LOVE my vet, and I do not question his diagnosis.. Puma had MANY symptoms (I thought it was thyroid and/or kidney disease). Vet did a MILLION tests, thank heavens for his low-cost policy for rescue. Anyway, his FIP titer was thru the roof (I STILL blame myself 'cause when I was fostering had an FIP outbreak. I did have all the fosters Elisa tested, but did not test my clan..Probably 'cause it is a death sentence I didn't want to worry about my babies.. I did lose my Dusty Oden to it, confirmed thru necropsies.. But that was S long ago. I now wonder just what the time thing is. Getting back to toxo Puma DID have very loose stools. Now since he's been on clindo pred, well, he now has very firm stools. (Maybe the meds worked). In fact, he is doing GREAT.For a very ancient boy... Now I wonder if his loose stools were a sign of toxo Toxo can and is a terrible disease when NOT treated... I am praying the old man will pass peacefully (in his sleep) if he succumbs to FIP I LOVE my old man and only want the best for him. I am praying for your Lucy... Hugs, Patti
Re: OT: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods
Phaewryn, Tell them NOT TO GIVE - telazol. nasty, nasty. Saw TOO many healthy babies have reactions, and even death. There are other injectables, but, for (what's left of) the life of me, I can't remember. I just know working in our low cost clinic, the vet thought it best to use injectables. Cheaper too, sadly I lost a foster after her spay. Now, I insist on ISO (sorry, don't know what it is, except isoflourane). Also, I insist on having IV fluids run during surgery. And, post-sx, Sub-Q fluids to flush out any remainders of the anesthetic And, due to my loss, I even do it w/ ISO surgeries.. ISO is a gas, very short-lived, and I have never had a bad experience w/ it.. I also insist on it for my ferals, my vet gives them a low dose of valium to relax them prior to surgery.. I wish you and your baby the best of luck.. And, oh, I did have ISO used for a dental Hugs, Patti
Re: OT: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods
Phaewryn, PS - If your cat is a sweetie, then they will not need to give anything else prior to ISO. And, when I say a sweetie, I mean as long as he/ can be handled then they will give the ISO as soon as he is on the table! Just make sure they know, and are honest w/ you! Hugs, Patti
Re: OT: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods
My understanding is that ketamine is not good either... On 1/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phaewryn, Tell them *NOT TO GIVE -* telazol. nasty, nasty. Saw TOO many healthy babies have reactions, and even death. There are other injectables, but, for (what's left of) the life of me, I can't remember. I just know working in our low cost clinic, the vet thought it best to use injectables. Cheaper too, sadly I lost a foster after her spay. Now, I insist on ISO (sorry, don't know what it is, except isoflourane). Also, I insist on having IV fluids run during surgery. And, post-sx, Sub-Q fluids to flush out any remainders of the anesthetic And, due to my loss, I even do it w/ ISO surgeries.. ISO is a gas, very short-lived, and I have never had a bad experience w/ it.. I also insist on it for my ferals, my vet gives them a low dose of valium to relax them prior to surgery.. I wish you and your baby the best of luck.. And, oh, I did have ISO used for a dental Hugs, Patti -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT: Please repost the safest anesthesia methods
Yes, you are right about ketamine. (Your reply jogged my memory - THANK YOU!!!) Our clinic DID use ketamine, in a combo w/ other injectables..Xylozine maybe Still can't remember all, but, I think for the low cost/free clinics, that stuff was mixed w/ the telazol I just know when I lost my foster, she was given telazol But who knows, they might already have had their combo pre-mixed All I can say is, STAY (FAR) AWAY FROM INJECT. ANESTHESTHIAS Saw way too many bad reactions. (Funny isn't it? I can [slightly] remember my experiences with furbabies... Guess THEY ARE the reason I'm still here) Patti
Acemannan or Carrisyn
After so much time keeping an eye on the list, and writing only on particular circumstances, now I am the one that is needing your help. My cat Rompi, probably, has a tumor near his stomach. It is not certain yet, the precise assessment is still to be done, tomorrow I'll take him in for an exam whose English name I don't remember (being my big dictionary at work, I'm at home now) but very common. So it could be or could not be, but in these cases being optimistic is not very useful. *If* it turns out to be a tumor, and *if* the oncologyst assesses that there is room for chemio, in that case I would propose to try Acemannan, aka Carrisyn. It seems to be a localized mass, so injecting the stuff in it could just work. I say again, there is nothing certain today, but I need to save time, since Acemannan/Carrisyn seems not to be manufactured here in Europe, please correct me if I'm wrong. What I need is to localize a source (pharmacy, or the very Carrington) that has Acemannan off-the-shelf, and have it shipped to me in the shortest time. Should that thing turn out not to be a tumor, well, I will donate my Acemannan to some person in need, on or off the list. But if it is... I'm going to need it damn fast. Could any of you give me the present situation about Acemannan? Right after sending this message, I am going to dig the internet for info, so I'll be online at least for the next five hours, in case. Thank you in advance. Paolo
FeLV
My 9 month old kitten (Mylo) was recently diagnosed with Feline Leukemia. I was devastated. The vet said he seems severe and doesn't have much longer. His symptoms are diahrea (for weeks now), pale nose/gums (anemia), dehydrated, low energy, doesn't play anymore, and he's very skinny. I hear there is no treatment for this disease but a part of me doesn't want to believe that. I have been researching on the internet and have found a couple drugs one called ImmunoRegulin and the other called Interferon. Does anyone know anything about these? or anything that I can do to help my kitten get better? Thank you. Chris htmldivP align=centerFONT face=Lucida Handwriting, CursiveFONT face=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serifSTRONGChris Ramsay /STRONG/FONTBR/FONTSTRONGFONT face=Lucida Handwriting, CursiveFONT color=#ff9900 size=4EMUrban Pet/EM/FONTFONT color=#00nbsp; /FONTFONT face=Lucida Handwriting, Cursive color=#cc size=1CANADA/FONT/FONTnbsp;BRFONT face=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serifnbsp;416-888-3072/FONT/STRONG/P/div/html _ Buy what you want when you want it on Sympatico / MSN Shopping http://shopping.sympatico.msn.ca/content/shp/?ctId=2,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=081805
Re: P.S.
Paolo, Carrington Labs isn't going to be much help. Manufacture of Acemannan had to shut down during the audit and it isn't going to be available again for a couple of weeks when the next batch gets out of manufacturing. (long story about the audit) It is only available from Veterinary Products Labs (a subsidiary of Carrington)...and only then through distributors (which are listed on their website). Here is the info from VPL: http://www.vpl.com/product.php?catmain=mainkey=pid=80key=8cat=Wound%20Management The website does have contact information and their customer service is helpful. They may be able to help coordinate something with you to expidite shipping when it does become available. Carrisyn is, I think, different from the injectable wound dressing, Acemannan (I could be mistaken - it is just that I am not as familiar with that term). Acemannan used in studies to treat FeVL+ that I am familiar with - was administered as an injection into the tummy. (also used to treat tumors) Carrisyn, I think, is the freeze-dried form of Acemannan and I am not familiar with this form of it -- though I did see a couple of things on the net and will read up. It may be that this is a form that is reconsituted as an injectible for tumors -- I just don't know. You probably know a lot more about this than I do. The injectable Acemannan (listed on the website) is what I used on my Mama Kitty who was very symptomatic and very sick with FeVL+ and very anemic. She is like a new cat today. She was diagnosed last May. I hope so much that whichever course of treatment you choose - your dear Rompi will come through this very well. Please give him a hug from me. elizabeth On 1/24/07, Paolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If any of you got in contact with a *cooperative* person at Carrington Labs, I would need to know the name of that person (by private Email of course) so I can try to save some time and get in contact with somebody that is *willing* to help... Thanks Paolo
Duralactin(r) Feline L-lysine
I was just snooping around the Veterinary Products Laboratories web site and found this: http://www.vpl.com/product.php?catmain=mainkey=pid=106key=cat= Sounds like something that would be helpful for FeVL+ kitties
Re: P.S.
Thank you Elizabeth, in effects, notwithstanding Acemannan and Carrisyn are sometimes used as synonyms, I am beginning to suspect that they aren't actually synonyms. I will stick with Acemannan. Paolo
FIP diagnosis?
Just came home from the vet. Yesterday morning, I noticed that Jilly, my 6 month old foster's stomach had bloated out. Looeds like she had swallowed a water balloon. They said it was all fluid, but couldn't get a sample. They tried and tried. Took x-ray, used a sonogram probe. All fluid. She is acting fine. But they said she might have only a very short time--maybe days. They seem sure it's FIP. They gave me Baytril and said if by some miracle, she's alive in 7 days, come back and get more. Anyone have experience with sudden distension of the stomach? _ Search for grocery stores. Find gratitude. Turn a simple search into something more. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_gratitudeFORM=WLMTAG
Re: Acemannan or Carrisyn
Yes! I got a call from Carrington yesterday that they were shipping it out to their distributers yesterday and today. So you should be able to get it. Main place that sells it to distributers is VPL (veterinary products laborat ories, I think). If you have trouble finding it, let me know. Acemannan is recommended for sarcomas, a particular kind of tumor. Though I suppose it might help for other kinds too. Michelle In a message dated 1/24/2007 12:09:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After so much time keeping an eye on the list, and writing only on particular circumstances, now I am the one that is needing your help. My cat Rompi, probably, has a tumor near his stomach. It is not certain yet, the precise assessment is still to be done, tomorrow I'll take him in for an exam whose English name I don't remember (being my big dictionary at work, I'm at home now) but very common. So it could be or could not be, but in these cases being optimistic is not very useful. *If* it turns out to be a tumor, and *if* the oncologyst assesses that there is room for chemio, in that case I would propose to try Acemannan, aka Carrisyn. It seems to be a localized mass, so injecting the stuff in it could just work. I say again, there is nothing certain today, but I need to save time, since Acemannan/Carrisyn seems not to be manufactured here in Europe, please correct me if I'm wrong. What I need is to localize a source (pharmacy, or the very Carrington) that has Acemannan off-the-shelf, and have it shipped to me in the shortest time. Should that thing turn out not to be a tumor, well, I will donate my Acemannan to some person in need, on or off the list. But if it is... I'm going to need it damn fast. Could any of you give me the present situation about Acemannan? Right after sending this message, I am going to dig the internet for info, so I'll be online at least for the next five hours, in case. Thank you in advance. Paolo
Re: FeLV
I would definitely start her on immuno-regulin and sub-cutaneous fluids (your vet can show you how). People have had success with acemanan as well. The one thing is that sometimes positive cats get things like lymphoma (which would need chemo and/or steroids) or FIP (not curable but symptoms can be eased for a while with steroids) and other causes for anemia. You might want to take her to an internist at a bigger veterinary hospital, vet school, or veterinary referral service for a better diagnosis of what is wrong. FeLV just makes them susceptible to things that make them sick, because it weakens their immune system like HIV, but it does not in itself cause the symptoms-- you need to find out what is doing that. Michelle In a message dated 1/24/2007 12:41:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My 9 month old kitten (Mylo) was recently diagnosed with Feline Leukemia. I was devastated. The vet said he seems severe and doesn't have much longer. His symptoms are diahrea (for weeks now), pale nose/gums (anemia), dehydrated, low energy, doesn't play anymore, and he's very skinny. I hear there is no treatment for this disease but a part of me doesn't want to believe that. I have been researching on the internet and have found a couple drugs one called ImmunoRegulin and the other called Interferon. Does anyone know anything about these? or anything that I can do to help my kitten get better? Thank you. Chris
Re: FIP diagnosis?
Lucy has it with other symptoms, and either has FIP or toxoplasmosis or something like that. Without looking at the fluid there is no way for them to say it is definitely FIP, and if it is FIP she needs steroids more than antibiotics to control the symptoms. I would get her to a bigger vet hospital, vet school hospital, or veterinary referral service to see an internist. There are other things that can distend a stomach besides FIP. Michelle In a message dated 1/24/2007 1:37:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just came home from the vet. Yesterday morning, I noticed that Jilly, my 6 month old foster's stomach had bloated out. Looeds like she had swallowed a water balloon. They said it was all fluid, but couldn't get a sample. They tried and tried. Took x-ray, used a sonogram probe. All fluid. She is acting fine. But they said she might have only a very short time--maybe days. They seem sure it's FIP. They gave me Baytril and said if by some miracle, she's alive in 7 days, come back and get more. Anyone have experience with sudden distension of the stomach?
Re: FIP diagnosis?
Do get her to a bigger vet hospital. FIP is very hard to diagnose and really cannot be diagnosed except by necropsy after an animal has died. Bloodwork and analysis of the fluid can tell you if findings are consistent with FIP but there are other curable causes of the distended belly. Hope for one of those. FIP is always fatal. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Lucy has it with other symptoms, and either has FIP or toxoplasmosis or something like that. Without looking at the fluid there is no way for them to say it is definitely FIP, and if it is FIP she needs steroids more than antibiotics to control the symptoms. I would get her to a bigger vet hospital, vet school hospital, or veterinary referral service to see an internist. There are other things that can distend a stomach besides FIP. Michelle In a message dated 1/24/2007 1:37:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just came home from the vet. Yesterday morning, I noticed that Jilly, my 6 month old foster's stomach had bloated out. Looeds like she had swallowed a water balloon. They said it was all fluid, but couldn't get a sample. They tried and tried. Took x-ray, used a sonogram probe. All fluid. She is acting fine. But they said she might have only a very short time--maybe days. They seem sure it's FIP. They gave me Baytril and said if by some miracle, she's alive in 7 days, come back and get more. Anyone have experience with sudden distension of the stomach?
Re: OT -more kitties with heart disease
Missy says: That's good advice:) On 1/23/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: aw, i feel so sad for the ones who are scared.. my FIV+ flamepoint himmie is so timid that, for the first five months he was with me, the only way i knew he was alive was to lift up the upholestered chair he lived under to make sure he was still breathing... then he progressed to letting me see him streak past on his way to the litter box. three years later, he'll get up on the bed once in awhile still hasn't purred, tho what happened with morgana underscores the truest reality of working with critters of any kind: there are just no guarantees. people would bring FIVs and FeLVs to the sanctuary because, they're going to die. well, yeah. but so might the $2500 showcat, or the healthy 6-month-old kitten. to not love something because it's gonna die someday, well, think about it even if we were to know the full medical histories of every critter that comes out way, there is STILL no way to know what hidden things might crop up in their own biochemistries--and trying to second-guess ourselves and the vets we trust, when there were no signs to tell us that there was anything wrong or no treatment that was making any difference just doesn't do any good. we love them, and ourselves, as deeply and as long as we can, we learn the lessons they've come to teach us, and we open our hearts and arms to the next little furry beast that appears--because it WILL appear. h--maybe there ARE some guarantees, after all On 1/23/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hehe! Well, this girl has chronic severe eye drainage that has to be cleaned daily and sometimes eyelid infections, ear issues..tooth issues...beautiful coat (that is fine as silk and has to be combed out daily)...and now a heart murmur. She's also front paw declawed and has severe fear of other cats. She's been in my house almost a year and still only comes out from under the end table to eat. My vet thinks there was something wrong inside Morgana that couldnt' be detected by him..and he's a very, very good vet. She was just in his office 6 weeks ago for a sinus infection and he didn't detect anything serious. On 1/23/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so many kitties that come from hoarder situations bring baggage that's almost impossible to overcome... hard to know if it's genetic, or just from neglect, or a problem with the individual cat that nothing would have been able to predict or prevent. which doesn't make it any easier to lose them. i have a friend with 16 persians--15 of them special-needs i tend to think of them as very easy to take care of tho, other than all the fur. sort of like stuffed critters that purr. especially the older ones: plop them down near water and food bowls, near litter boxes, and dust them occasionally. my friends refer to them as speed bumps. On 1/23/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's not because they're persians, but because they're the most popular cat breed in the US--ie, the most overbred, poorly bred, backyard bred, etc. i'm currently owned and operated by seven of the darlings, and so far today have been involved on some level with finding fosters or transports for another 12 On 1/23/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I swear it seems to follow me like FELV does some of yall. My foster Clarissa was diagnosed with a heart murmur today. She's about 6 and a Persian. I love Persians but they have s many health problems:( -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
This is becoming a nightmare
Sorry to harass you folks... I have written an Email to VPL, stating very clearly in the subject line it was damn URGENT... VPL is in Phoenix, AZ... is there any of you located in that area that could give them a ring on the phone, telling them to have a D**M look at the Email from a desperate in Italy?... Their phone is 1.888.241.9545 (uhm... is it a toll free number from anywhere in the USA?) Many thanks again, I am falling asleep from the stress. Paolo
Re: This is becoming a nightmare
Ok-- got the info you need-- You should email Karla Moore, who handles all international inquiries on VPL products: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) . Michelle
Re: FeLV
Chris, Sorry you are having these problems, my first concerns are your vet, what did he do to find out what is wrong with your Mylo?? If nothing then if I were you I'd run, not walk to a different vet!!! What did your vet say is wrong with Mylo other than being positive?? FeLV is a virus that compromises the immune system which in turn allows other illnesses to take hold and flourish, it in itself is not what makes cats sick, the other illnesses that can take hold are. Did your vet even test for anything, do any blood work, give you anything for the diarrhea, find out whats causing the diarrhea?? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: FeLV
Dear Nina, Thank you for your email. I'm not sure how to find out what is causing the anemia and diarrhea. He's been to many vet visits in the past month. I just recently changed vets as well, and neither of them told me what might be the underlying cause. Mylo has had 3 blood tests done in the past 2 weeks and I'm not sure what other tests to ask for...maybe an ultrasound? Yes Mylo was given fluids to treat his dehydration and since then I have been physically placing water in front of him approx. 5 times a day. It seems to work so far. I do the same for his food. However, since I started giving him Medi-cal Development wet food, he has been uncharacteristically eating quite a bit..yeah! As for antibiotics, he just finished his tylosin and clavamox and is still on flagyl 100mg once a day for his diarrhea...it doesn't seem to be helping...he's been on that for a while now and his situation is the same. I will ask my vet about the drugs you mentioned. It's time consuming getting a hold of them and I which I could get something to help him right now before it's too late...Anyway, thanks again for your inputhope to hear from you soon. Chris From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:32:03 -0800 Hi Chris, I'm so sorry to hear about your kitten being so sick, we all understand how devastating a pos test result can be and how hard it is to watch their health deteriorate. First of all felv effects the immune system making it harder for the kitties to fight off infection, it also makes them more susceptible to things like cancer. It doesn't however mean that you should give up. It isn't the felv itself making him sick. Many, many of our cats, when treated for the underlying illness effecting them, have gotten better. They may not live as long a life as cats not infected, but they are certainly capable of living a quality life. You need to find out what is causing the diarrhea and anemia and start treating for it immediately. Did your vet give Mylo subq fluids to help with the dehydration? Is he on antibiotics? If your vet is unwilling, (or unable) to help you, you need to find one that will. Ask your regular vet for a referral to a board certified internist. They are much more familiar with the diseases that effect cats in general and better able to diagnose and treat. There are two types of interferon. The one prescribed by most vets is the human interferon, Interferon A. This is given orally and your vet should be able to get it for you easily. The other Interferon, Interferon Omega, is a feline interferon that is injectable. Unfortunately, it hasn't been approved for vet use in the US and you have to get a special dispensation from the FDA for it. IR is a type of bacteria that when introduced to the the system, (it's usual to administer it IV, but some on the list have given it subq), acts as a catalyst to boost the immune system into working better. It is available without a prescription. There's a ton of discussions about this stuff in the archives. Mylo does sound like he's in bad shape, but kitties have bounced back from being very sick when the right treatment is given. You need to find out what is wrong in order to treat him. I'm so glad you were not willing to accept your vet's assessment without looking for a second opinion. Sometimes just getting him on the right antibiotic can turn things around. In the meantime, he has to eat and you have to keep him hydrated. Have you ever assist fed a cat before? I know others will jump in with suggestions. Write as often as you like, we are here to support you and truly understand. Nina Chris Ramzy wrote: My 9 month old kitten (Mylo) was recently diagnosed with Feline Leukemia. I was devastated. The vet said he seems severe and doesn't have much longer. His symptoms are diahrea (for weeks now), pale nose/gums (anemia), dehydrated, low energy, doesn't play anymore, and he's very skinny. I hear there is no treatment for this disease but a part of me doesn't want to believe that. I have been researching on the internet and have found a couple drugs one called ImmunoRegulin and the other called Interferon. Does anyone know anything about these? or anything that I can do to help my kitten get better? Thank you. Chris htmldivP align=centerFONT face=Lucida Handwriting, CursiveFONT face=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serifSTRONGChris Ramsay /STRONG/FONTBR/FONTSTRONGFONT face=Lucida Handwriting, CursiveFONT color=#ff9900 size=4EMUrban Pet/EM/FONTFONT color=#00nbsp; /FONTFONT face=Lucida Handwriting, Cursive color=#cc size=1CANADA/FONT/FONTnbsp;BRFONT face=Geneva, Arial, Sans-serifnbsp;416-888-3072/FONT/STRONG/P/div/html _ Buy what you want when you want it on Sympatico / MSN Shopping
Re: FeLV - Chris and Mylo
Hi Nina, this is my first time using this site so I hope I'm doing this right. I replied to the first message you sent me but it goes to the felvtalk@felineleukemia.org email. I hope that's correct...I guess it automatically goes to your email as well? From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FeLV - Chris and Mylo Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:19:40 -0800 I sent this earlier this morning, but haven't seen it show up on list yet. Forgive me if it duplicates... Hi Chris, I'm so sorry to hear about your kitten being so sick, we all understand how devastating a pos test result can be and how hard it is to watch their health deteriorate. First of all felv effects the immune system making it harder for the kitties to fight off infection, it also makes them more susceptible to things like cancer. It doesn't however mean that you should give up. It isn't the felv itself making him sick. Many, many of our cats, when treated for the underlying illness effecting them, have gotten better. They may not live as long a life as cats not infected, but they are certainly capable of living a quality life. You need to find out what is causing the diarrhea and anemia and start treating for it immediately. Did your vet give Mylo subq fluids to help with the dehydration? Is he on antibiotics? If your vet is unwilling, (or unable) to help you, you need to find one that will. Ask your regular vet for a referral to a board certified internist. They are much more familiar with the diseases that effect cats in general and better able to diagnose and treat. There are two types of interferon. The one prescribed by most vets is the human interferon, Interferon A. This is given orally and your vet should be able to get it for you easily. The other Interferon, Interferon Omega, is a feline interferon that is injectable. Unfortunately, it hasn't been approved for vet use in the US and you have to get a special dispensation from the FDA for it. IR is a type of bacteria that when introduced to the the system, (it's usual to administer it IV, but some on the list have given it subq), acts as a catalyst to boost the immune system into working better. It is available without a prescription. There's a ton of discussions about this stuff in the archives. Mylo does sound like he's in bad shape, but kitties have bounced back from being very sick when the right treatment is given. You need to find out what is wrong in order to treat him. I'm so glad you were not willing to accept your vet's assessment without looking for a second opinion. Sometimes just getting him on the right antibiotic can turn things around. In the meantime, he has to eat and you have to keep him hydrated. Have you ever assist fed a cat before? I know others will jump in with suggestions. Write as often as you like, we are here to support you and truly understand. Nina _ http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionid=b2456790-90e6-4d28-9219-5d7207d94d45mkt=en-ca
Re: FIP diagnosis?
At 10:37 AM 1/24/2007, you wrote: Did they do an ultrasoundIs there an obstruction,,Vomiting???A bloated tummy is not a sure diagnosis,,,Need more diagnostic work, Kelly Just came home from the vet. Yesterday morning, I noticed that Jilly, my 6 month old foster's stomach had bloated out. Looeds like she had swallowed a water balloon. They said it was all fluid, but couldn't get a sample. They tried and tried. Took x-ray, used a sonogram probe. All fluid. She is acting fine. But they said she might have only a very short time--maybe days. They seem sure it's FIP. They gave me Baytril and said if by some miracle, she's alive in 7 days, come back and get more. Anyone have experience with sudden distension of the stomach? _ Search for grocery stores. Find gratitude. Turn a simple search into something more. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_gratitudeFORM=WLMTAG -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date: 1/23/2007
Re: FeLV
Thanks for your email. My vet did 3 sets of blood work in the last two weeks. Mylo has a high white blood cell count (38) a low red blood cell count (4); he has FeLV and anemia. The vet didn't say what the underlying sickness could be. He just said that Mylo tested positive for FeLV and there is nothing we can do. I am currently trying to see another vet on Mylo's condition. I don't know what's causing Mylo's diarrhea but he has had it for weeks now. He is taking flagyl but it isn't helping. I left a message for my new vet to call me tomorrow so I hope to get some more info. From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:14:21 -0800 Chris, Sorry you are having these problems, my first concerns are your vet, what did he do to find out what is wrong with your Mylo?? If nothing then if I were you I'd run, not walk to a different vet!!! What did your vet say is wrong with Mylo other than being positive?? FeLV is a virus that compromises the immune system which in turn allows other illnesses to take hold and flourish, it in itself is not what makes cats sick, the other illnesses that can take hold are. Did your vet even test for anything, do any blood work, give you anything for the diarrhea, find out whats causing the diarrhea?? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com _ Buy, Load, Play. The new Sympatico / MSN Music Store works seamlessly with Windows Media Player. Just Click PLAY. http://musicstore.sympatico.msn.ca/content/viewer.aspx?cid=SMS_Sept192006
Re: FeLV
Thanks for you email. I am trying to find a vet school in toronto. I will call U of T tomorrow. I would like to find a vet that can perscribe the drugs you mentioned below...I need to try something. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:40:51 EST I would definitely start her on immuno-regulin and sub-cutaneous fluids (your vet can show you how). People have had success with acemanan as well. The one thing is that sometimes positive cats get things like lymphoma (which would need chemo and/or steroids) or FIP (not curable but symptoms can be eased for a while with steroids) and other causes for anemia. You might want to take her to an internist at a bigger veterinary hospital, vet school, or veterinary referral service for a better diagnosis of what is wrong. FeLV just makes them susceptible to things that make them sick, because it weakens their immune system like HIV, but it does not in itself cause the symptoms-- you need to find out what is doing that. Michelle In a message dated 1/24/2007 12:41:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My 9 month old kitten (Mylo) was recently diagnosed with Feline Leukemia. I was devastated. The vet said he seems severe and doesn't have much longer. His symptoms are diahrea (for weeks now), pale nose/gums (anemia), dehydrated, low energy, doesn't play anymore, and he's very skinny. I hear there is no treatment for this disease but a part of me doesn't want to believe that. I have been researching on the internet and have found a couple drugs one called ImmunoRegulin and the other called Interferon. Does anyone know anything about these? or anything that I can do to help my kitten get better? Thank you. Chris _ Windows Live Spaces: share your New Year pictures! http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA
Re: Acemannan or Carrisyn
(800) 444-2563 is the manufacturer's phone number, they can direct you to a supplier, I presume. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: FIP diagnosis?
It's all fluid, but they couldn't get a sample?! Doesn't that seem weird to you guys? Did they not have an ultrasound machine in the clinic? They should be able to easily find a fluid pocket using ultrasound. Take her to a different vet tomorrow if you can (one with a decent hospital and the proper facilities/technology)! I assume they did OTHER testing to come up with this FIP diagnosis? Please ask them what her feline coronavirus (FCoV) titer was. Ask them what her albumin:globulin (A:G) ratio was in her blood plasma. In FIP, AGP levels are usually greater than 1500 mg/ml. In normal cats, it’s up to 500 mg/ml. What is her Alpha one acid glycoprotein (AGP) level? In FIP, AGP levels are usually greater than 1500 mg/ml. In normal cats, it’s up to 500 mg/ml. Is she jaundiced? Does she have the typical eye symptoms associated with FIP? Does she have neurological signs, ataxia (wobbly and falling over when walking), head tremors, seizures, or are her eyes may dart from side to side? Once you find a better vet (one able to stick a needle in something the size of a grapefruit), take this webpage, print it off, and demand they run these tests: http://www.dr-addie.com/WhatIsFIP.htm#Wet%20or%20effusive%20FIP Phaewryn
Re: toxoplasmosis (Michelle)
You should be asking for these same results in Lucy's case, especially since they were able to get a fluid sample: Please ask them what her feline coronavirus (FCoV) titer was. Ask them what her albumin:globulin (A:G) ratio was in her blood plasma. In FIP, AGP levels are usually greater than 1500 mg/ml. In normal cats, it's up to 500 mg/ml. What is her Alpha one acid glycoprotein (AGP) level? In FIP, AGP levels are usually greater than 1500 mg/ml. In normal cats, it's up to 500 mg/ml. http://www.dr-addie.com/WhatIsFIP.htm#Wet%20or%20effusive%20FIP is the webpage for more info. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: FIP diagnosis?
I just realized I posted the AGP normals twice and didn't post the a:g ratios at all... here's that info: In FIP the globulin concentration in serum or plasma is raised to over 40g/l. Consequently the A:G is usually lowered. An A:G of 0.4 indicates FIP is quite likely, provided that globulins are raised, remember than a low albumin (e.g. in liver disease) can also artificially lower the A:G. An A:G of 0.8 rules out FIP; A:G of between 0.4-0.8 - consider other parameters. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: FeLV
I think he meant the RBC not HCT, still pretty bad, do you know what the HCT is Chris?? low red blood cell count (4); -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
OT: Terrie - Siamese Rescuers
Anyone here have meezer/himi rescue resources? Someone posted a county AC shelter to the Bengal list I am on, and there's several Meezer/Himi mixes on it (as well as a Bengal). I don't have the connections, can someone crosspost it for me to meezer groups? Email me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:O'Gwynn;Jenn;Phaewryn;Ms. FN:Jenn Phaewryn O'Gwynn NICKNAME:Phaewryn ORG:Little Cheetah Cat Rescue;operations/field work TITLE:Cat Rescuer NOTE:I rescue cats. I run a small personal rescue operation, all on my own, and out of pocket. Donations appreciated at any time! Paypal donations can be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or send donations via check or money order to Jennifer O'Guin, PO Box 1008, Hardwick VT. 05843 TEL;WORK;VOICE:802-472-8628 TEL;HOME;VOICE:802 472-8628 ADR;WORK:;home office;;Hardwick;VT.;05843;USA LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:home office=0D=0AHardwick, VT. 05843=0D=0AUSA ADR;HOME:;;P.O. Box 1008;Hardwick;Vermont;05843;USA LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:P.O. Box 1008=0D=0AHardwick, Vermont 05843=0D=0AUSA X-WAB-GENDER:1 URL;HOME:http://ucat.us URL;WORK:http://ucat.us/adopt.html BDAY:19750928 EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20070125T034402Z END:VCARD
Re: FIP diagnosis?
Yes, very weird indeed. TOO weird. I can not believe that they could not get a sample. I'd be looking for a new (and competent) vet for sure. When I was at the shelter, even us dumb vet techs were able to get fluid samples from those cats suspected of having FIP... The procedure is NOT rocket science.. JMO, Hugs, Patti
Re: FeLV
Everyone on this list is more familiar with FeLV than I am. However, diarrhea can have numerous causes including food allergies (I am very familiar with that from the Royal Princess Kitty Katt) and, despite what many vets believe, they can be developed at any age. Kitty was almost 13 when we started having food allergy problems. If you have not tried adding Metamucil/psyllium (bad spelling) to Mylo's food you should consider it. You may want to consult an alternative vet too. Dixie Louise sees her regular vets and an alternative vet. Good luck. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Chris Ramzy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 6:04 PM Subject: Re: FeLV Thanks for your email. My vet did 3 sets of blood work in the last two weeks. Mylo has a high white blood cell count (38) a low red blood cell count (4); he has FeLV and anemia. The vet didn't say what the underlying sickness could be. He just said that Mylo tested positive for FeLV and there is nothing we can do. I am currently trying to see another vet on Mylo's condition. I don't know what's causing Mylo's diarrhea but he has had it for weeks now. He is taking flagyl but it isn't helping. I left a message for my new vet to call me tomorrow so I hope to get some more info. From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FeLV Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 13:14:21 -0800 Chris, Sorry you are having these problems, my first concerns are your vet, what did he do to find out what is wrong with your Mylo?? If nothing then if I were you I'd run, not walk to a different vet!!! What did your vet say is wrong with Mylo other than being positive?? FeLV is a virus that compromises the immune system which in turn allows other illnesses to take hold and flourish, it in itself is not what makes cats sick, the other illnesses that can take hold are. Did your vet even test for anything, do any blood work, give you anything for the diarrhea, find out whats causing the diarrhea?? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com _ Buy, Load, Play. The new Sympatico / MSN Music Store works seamlessly with Windows Media Player. Just Click PLAY. http://musicstore.sympatico.msn.ca/content/viewer.aspx?cid=SMS_Sept192006
Re: FeLV
Please add probiotics to Mylo's food to increase the good bacteria. This can do no harm and can help big time. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: Re: FeLV I 100% believe that the FELINE Interferon OMEGA is helpful for FELV, but it's not available in the USA through regular channels at this time. Your vet can request it directly from the manufacturer though... others here that have done it can give you more info. That being said, while there's no scientific proof that it helps, many people give low dose ORAL Interferon ALPHA (human interferon) to their FELV+ cats (and it certainly can't hurt, studies are being done now, and we should have scientific proof of it's results by next year). Lots of members here have had success with Immuno-Regulin, and it's certainly a good place to start for a ill symptomatic cat. I would try to get the feline interferon omega as well (I can send you the studies to print off to take to your vet if he needs to be convinced). Now, all that aside... the very best thing you can do is feed good food, and enough of it. That sometimes means you may have to syringe food into your cat's mouth (force feeding, as it may be). OR, you can have a feeding tube inserted by your vet. You really must get the diarrhea under control! Have you tried supplementing with canned pumpkin (NOT the pie filling, the PLAIN pumpkin)? Add fiber any way you can! Missing Link is a good supplement that is also high in fiber, or add some ground psyllium to her food. Good nutrition is the BEST thing you can do on your own for her! Good food brands include Wellness, Innova, California Natural, and Chicken Soup for the Cat. For a cat with diarrhea, I'd recommend the canned California Natural in the Chicken and Rice flavor, as it's a very bland food, and wont add to her digestive upsets! You can order all of those brands ONLINE if you can't find a local source. Watch her electrolyte levels, with that prolonged of a diarrhea, it can be dangerous due to dehydration. She also might need a blood transfusion if her anemia is severe. Don't let your vet tell you there's nothing he can do, blood transfusions are not that difficult! The hardest part might be finding a donor cat and blood typing, but your vet should KNOW all about that... if he doesn't... find a BETTER VET! I honestly think he should have mentioned it as an option already, IMO! I hate vets that say sorry, nothing I can do when they CAN do something, they just refuse to TRY. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Again on Acemannan
Hi all, I just received an Email from Central Life Sciences (suppliers of Acemannan manufactured by Carrington), where they inform me that, since Acemannan is not registered in Europe, they cannot ship it to me. This is, in reverse, the same problem that turned out four years ago with Feline Interferon. My only idea for coming out of this §H|# (sorry) is to have somebody in the US buy Acemannan and ship it to me with UPS (everything paid in anticipation with my money, of course). If any of you is willing to do this for Rompi, please contact me by private Email to discuss the details. Thank you in advance. Paolo
Re: Again on Acemannan
At 09:43 PM 1/24/2007, you wrote: I can do it for you. just give me the details, Kelly Hi all, I just received an Email from Central Life Sciences (suppliers of Acemannan manufactured by Carrington), where they inform me that, since Acemannan is not registered in Europe, they cannot ship it to me. This is, in reverse, the same problem that turned out four years ago with Feline Interferon. My only idea for coming out of this §H|# (sorry) is to have somebody in the US buy Acemannan and ship it to me with UPS (everything paid in anticipation with my money, of course). If any of you is willing to do this for Rompi, please contact me by private Email to discuss the details. Thank you in advance. Paolo -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date: 1/23/2007
Re: toxoplasmosis (Michelle)
Her blood levels do not have those values, but the internist says that she has had tissue samples biopsy positive for fip without those blood values before. She seems worse again today. I came home to find her very hot-- she was on a heating pad that gray had up too high, but she is out of it and her ears are burning up. I gave more fluids and have her on 3 ice packs. In a message dated 1/24/2007 8:48:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You should be asking for these same results in Lucy's case, especially since they were able to get a fluid sample: Please ask them what her feline coronavirus (FCoV) titer was. Ask them what her albumin:globulin (A:G) ratio was in her blood plasma. In FIP, AGP levels are usually greater than 1500 mg/ml. In normal cats, it’s up to 500 mg/ml. What is her Alpha one acid glycoprotein (AGP) level? In FIP, AGP levels are usually greater than 1500 mg/ml. In normal cats, it’s up to 500 mg/ml. _http://www.dr-addie.com/WhatIsFIP.htm#Wet%20or%20effusive%20FIP_ (http://www.dr-addie.com/WhatIsFIP.htm#Wet%20or%20effusive%20FIP) is the webpage for more info. Phaewryn
