Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
Hi Stacy, It seems to me you care very much about Spanky and want to do the very best for him just like I would. It also sounds like you don't trust your vets so much. I would suggest a holistic vet. I am very leery of all the conventional meds as well and tend to think they may do more harm than good, and they sometimes tend to mask the symptoms and not really cure the underlying problem. I really don't like to give antibiotics, but if I absolutely had to, I would also give them a probiotic as well to keep the good bacteria in check. Most vets carry Fortiflora that you can add to their food. I have been lucky with my felv+ kitty so far (and my other 4 neg's who range in age from 3-13), but I attribute their awesome health to their homemade raw diet which they have been on for over 2 years now...it really has changed their life and mine...I wonder what you are feeding. To me, diet is extremely important. I'm sure this advice doesn't help much right now, and I understand being hesitant to give them something that may cause yet another issue. I wish you and Spanky well. Tracey On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
Hi Tracey: Thanks for your reply. I actually do trust my main vet, he is very open minded and looks at all my research and does research as well, and he actually does acupuncture and chinese herbs. He referred me to the specialist/derm once so she could have a look at his lesions and see if she thought they were cancerous. she suggested biopsy/surgery which he would never be able to tolerate so we opted to try the neoplasene. It did shrink 3 of them after just one application but then I elected to not salve again right away in his present condition. He's not any better today and just looking really terrible. I'm going to see if I can try to get him into the vet. I am not sure if he has an infection, is more anemic or if he's just tired of fighting. In any case, it is very frustrating and disheartening and you just feel helpless and hopeless seeing your furbaby like this. As far as him eating, he used to eat wellness grain free canned and dry. Now he eats whatever I can get him to eat which isn't much at all. I've been syringing food into him this past week and giving fluids. Even with the appetite stimulant, he's not very interested in food. I understand the importance of a high quality diet/nutrition but if he won't eat, I have to just try to get him to eat something. Purrs, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com --- On Sun, 11/21/10, Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 6:24 AM Hi Stacy, It seems to me you care very much about Spanky and want to do the very best for him just like I would. It also sounds like you don't trust your vets so much. I would suggest a holistic vet. I am very leery of all the conventional meds as well and tend to think they may do more harm than good, and they sometimes tend to mask the symptoms and not really cure the underlying problem. I really don't like to give antibiotics, but if I absolutely had to, I would also give them a probiotic as well to keep the good bacteria in check. Most vets carry Fortiflora that you can add to their food. I have been lucky with my felv+ kitty so far (and my other 4 neg's who range in age from 3-13), but I attribute their awesome health to their homemade raw diet which they have been on for over 2 years now...it really has changed their life and mine...I wonder what you are feeding. To me, diet is extremely important. I'm sure this advice doesn't help much right now, and I understand being hesitant to give them something that may cause yet another issue. I wish you and Spanky well. Tracey On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
The probiotics might be a good idea - some good bacteria in the tummy/ gut, and certainly providing nutrients. Might try syringing some chicken/turkey baby food too. Sometimes just getting something into the belly helps. Good luck - sending good vibes for Spanky. Gloria On Nov 21, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Stacy Zacher wrote: Hi Tracey: Thanks for your reply. I actually do trust my main vet, he is very open minded and looks at all my research and does research as well, and he actually does acupuncture and chinese herbs. He referred me to the specialist/derm once so she could have a look at his lesions and see if she thought they were cancerous. she suggested biopsy/ surgery which he would never be able to tolerate so we opted to try the neoplasene. It did shrink 3 of them after just one application but then I elected to not salve again right away in his present condition. He's not any better today and just looking really terrible. I'm going to see if I can try to get him into the vet. I am not sure if he has an infection, is more anemic or if he's just tired of fighting. In any case, it is very frustrating and disheartening and you just feel helpless and hopeless seeing your furbaby like this. As far as him eating, he used to eat wellness grain free canned and dry. Now he eats whatever I can get him to eat which isn't much at all. I've been syringing food into him this past week and giving fluids. Even with the appetite stimulant, he's not very interested in food. I understand the importance of a high quality diet/ nutrition but if he won't eat, I have to just try to get him to eat something. Purrs, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com --- On Sun, 11/21/10, Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, November 21, 2010, 6:24 AM Hi Stacy, It seems to me you care very much about Spanky and want to do the very best for him just like I would. It also sounds like you don't trust your vets so much. I would suggest a holistic vet. I am very leery of all the conventional meds as well and tend to think they may do more harm than good, and they sometimes tend to mask the symptoms and not really cure the underlying problem. I really don't like to give antibiotics, but if I absolutely had to, I would also give them a probiotic as well to keep the good bacteria in check. Most vets carry Fortiflora that you can add to their food. I have been lucky with my felv+ kitty so far (and my other 4 neg's who range in age from 3-13), but I attribute their awesome health to their homemade raw diet which they have been on for over 2 years now...it really has changed their life and mine...I wonder what you are feeding. To me, diet is extremely important. I'm sure this advice doesn't help much right now, and I understand being hesitant to give them something that may cause yet another issue. I wish you and Spanky well. Tracey On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
Clavamox put Bob into full diaherrea. he was miserable and we had a few messes when he could not make it to the box. this was from emergency vet on a Sunday night. got another that was easier on him, but he passed at the end of that week. thought about an autopsy, but decided not to cause him any more abuse. buried him in my 3rd plot in a flower garden. i have 4 gardens with buriel plots in them. only plant shallow rooted things there. then Homie came down with crystals and urinary tract infection so we gave her a shot that lasts 2 weks and does not cause so much discomfort. also gave her herbal pill from Only Natural Pet Store. at the end of 30 days on the pill she is free of crystals and infection. lost the envelope they came in, but developed by a Chinese dr and has as first ingredient dendrobium. i was desperate for something to get rid of the crystals. she was retaining urine and would not eat the special foods by Hill's and Purina for this problem. she got lethargic, wouldn't eat or drink much and was trying to go all over the house. after a couple of days on this pill, she started on recovery and by the end of the first week was almost back to normal which is a pain in the ---. she delights in tormenting Annie and Nitnoy by sitting there and staring at them. now i am laying in a supply of Feliway. I hesitated to get this, is expensive and only had reviews by people who had tried it to go on, but as bad as she was, i figured i had nothing to loose. Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Clavamox can be kind of hard on the digestive track sometime. I know nothing about neoplasene salve. I dint know, i might try some other abx, if it were me, like amoxicillin or azithromycin . Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] question on antibiotic
That's been my experience often w Clavamox. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2010, at 3:56 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Clavamox put Bob into full diaherrea. he was miserable and we had a few messes when he could not make it to the box. this was from emergency vet on a Sunday night. got another that was easier on him, but he passed at the end of that week. thought about an autopsy, but decided not to cause him any more abuse. buried him in my 3rd plot in a flower garden. i have 4 gardens with buriel plots in them. only plant shallow rooted things there. then Homie came down with crystals and urinary tract infection so we gave her a shot that lasts 2 weks and does not cause so much discomfort. also gave her herbal pill from Only Natural Pet Store. at the end of 30 days on the pill she is free of crystals and infection. lost the envelope they came in, but developed by a Chinese dr and has as first ingredient dendrobium. i was desperate for something to get rid of the crystals. she was retaining urine and would not eat the special foods by Hill's and Purina for this problem. she got lethargic, wouldn't eat or drink much and was trying to go all over the house. after a couple of days on this pill, she started on recovery and by the end of the first week was almost back to normal which is a pain in the ---. she delights in tormenting Annie and Nitnoy by sitting there and staring at them. now i am laying in a supply of Feliway. I hesitated to get this, is expensive and only had reviews by people who had tried it to go on, but as bad as she was, i figured i had nothing to loose. Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Clavamox can be kind of hard on the digestive track sometime. I know nothing about neoplasene salve. I dint know, i might try some other abx, if it were me, like amoxicillin or azithromycin . Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Nov 20, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi: Spanky has not been doing well this week. He's very low energy more than normal, weak and won't get out of bed unless I pick him up and make him get up and walk around. He's been eating fair with an appetite stimulant and using his litter box - again when I get him up and take him near it. His gums and tongue seem okay for him - not white and he's on pet-tinic 2x per day. When I took him to the dermatologist, she prescribed clavamox for him just in case he had an infection but then my regular vet had me hold off since we did the neoplasene salve on him. Now I am wondering if I should try giving him the antibiotic anyway just in case. I gave him fluids for the past 2 nights also - 50 ml and last night almost 100ml because he's not drinking very much. In any case, I'm just looking for advice about clavamox. I don't want to make him feel sicker but I'm not sure how he'd handle it - if it makes cats nauseous. also, we did the neoplasene salve and it seemed to shrink the growth in his nose and his other 2 lesions. The vet recommended doing the salve again but at this point, I'm not sure we will. Thanks so much, Stacy and Spanky stacy_zac...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fwd: FeLV question
See note below from Natalie - need help with felv mama and babies in Connecticut . Gloria Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Natalie Jarnstedt ati...@gmail.com Date: November 21, 2010 11:05:19 AM CST To: 'Gloria Lane' gbl...@aristotle.net Subject: FeLV question Gloria - I am in Mexico right now, am receiving all felvtalk mail but cannot post replies because my email address is not being accepted by the felvtalk monitor.unfortunately, they just notified methe question below is of the utmost importance and I was hoping to get some feedback on it for my friend with the problem (see below). Could you kindly post it for me. Thank you so much - Natalie P.S. Although it clearly says that my e-mail is sent from the correct address, it actually goes out as gmail from here (not listed as member of felvtalk!) -Original Message- From: Natalie Jarnstedt [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:36 PM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: FeLV question Hi, I hope that someone might have some advice for a fellow animal rescuer in CT who has a problem, with which I cannot help her because I haven't had much exposure to FeLV over the years - please see her note below; any help would be much appreciated! Natalie Help. Do you guys have ANY ideas on what to do? I rescued a mom cat and her 7 12-week old kittens. They have been boarded and cared for at the vet hospital for one month, where mom was spayed and everyone received shots, deworming, etc. Mom has tested negative for FeLV three times. The last two times using the IFA test. Three kittens first tested borderline on the Snap test, then one month later tested positive on the IFA test. One who originally tested negative ended up positive on the IFA test. Everybody has been tested multiple times using both tests. This leaves: Mom - negative 2 kittens - negative 4 kittens - positive The veterinarians are all baffled. Recommend to retest in 6 months, and to treat the negative ones as though they would be turning positive. I still think the negative ones should be kept away from the confirmed positive ones. The catch is that I need to get them out of the vet, hopefully by Monday, and that I have no place to go with them now. I am possibly looking at having to have them all put down which I don't know if I could bring myself to do it BUT I don't know of any other options. Hard to believe in 25 years this has never happened to me. I cannot bring them to our cat house, and I cannot bring them into my house. I have NO place to isolate. Do you guys have ANY suggestions, ideas, resources, etc I am without options and running out of time. Claudia straysandoth...@optonline.net ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fwd: FELV persian near Missouri and Oklahoma
This is an FELV Persian, in Bella Vista, Arkansas, the northwest part near the Missouri/Arkansas border, toward Kansas, who doesn't have much time - any options? They say they're willing to transport... Any thoughts or takers? Thanks, Gloria Begin forwarded message: On Nov 17, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Belinda Barry wrote: Sent from my MOTOBLUR™ smartphone on ATT -Original message- From: Donna gofigure umumgoodfor...@yahoo.com To: Belinda Barry bobarry1...@yahoo.com Sent: Wed, Nov 17, 2010 15:36:23 GMT+00:00 Subject: persian Belinda, I have a problem. Over the last month I have taken in 4 persians. They all have been in rough shape and all found within a 2 block area. Appears a breeder is dumping in this area. Anyway the last one we took in yesterday and he is a very tiny male, black and white and has an old broken jaw (one of the others had a broken jaw too). Anyway he is a young guy (approx. 8 months old) and skin and bones. Took him to the vet yesterday as he looked awful and found out he has feline Luek. Did not know if you knew someone that would take a persian with leuk. I will hang on to him till tommorow and if you know anyone we will neuter him and get him ready to go. Let me know and I understand if you do not know anyone. This is a hard one. Thanks, Donna ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
