Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NYTanya
Yep, Spalding Prob make trip down to finally visit shelter! (Prob be heartbreaking too!) That's the shelter I got my precious Felv+ Ethan from. Patti
6 week old kitten fever question
Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would call me :( I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos kitten, and of course she came with a fever. It was 104.0 the night I brought her home. I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so thankfully I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me to hold of on antibiotics because she has diarrhea. This was Tuesday night. Well by Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with me, the doc then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory and fever reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 am (last night) she spiked to 105.8!!! I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm. I put her to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night. This AM she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me. Obviously she has something else going on besides just a fever. I have a call in to my doc (again thank god I work there because its Sunday!) In the meantime I was just wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of fever...tips...anything? Also, at what temperature does there body shut down ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere. Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs of illness. Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer, Kristi
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6 week old kitten high fever, Question
Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would call me :( I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos kitten, and of course she came with a fever. It was 104.0 the night I brought her home. I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so thankfully I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me to hold of on antibiotics because she has diarrhea. This was Tuesday night. Well by Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with me, the doc then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory and fever reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 am (last night) she spiked to 105.8!!! I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm. I put her to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night. This AM she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me. Obviously she has something else going on besides just a fever. I have a call in to my doc (again thank god I work there because its Sunday!) In the meantime I was just wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of fever...tips...anything? Also, at what temperature does there body shut down ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere. Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs of illness. Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer, Kristi
RE: Corpus Christi cats conclusion
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Re: 6 week old kitten fever question
sending this link to the fever archives on www.holisticat.com http://www.holisticat.com/fever_arch1.html kittens that are negative often run mysterious fevers--does she still have diarrhea? i'm glad she's eating and drinking. is she active at all? or is she just sleeping? it is scary when they run that high a temp in one so young and postive also. hopefully her body is fighting something hence the fever. does she look anemic at all? did the vet mention anything about getting blood work done? wish i could help more. barbara - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:47 AM Subject: 6 week old kitten fever question Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would call me :( I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos kitten, and of course she came with a fever. It was 104.0 the night I brought her home. I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so thankfully I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me to hold of on antibiotics because she has diarrhea. This was Tuesday night. Well by Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with me, the doc then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory and fever reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 am (last night) she spiked to 105.8!!! I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm. I put her to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night. This AM she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me. Obviously she has something else going on besides just a fever. I have a call in to my doc (again thank god I work there because its Sunday!) In the meantime I was just wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of fever...tips...anything? Also, at what temperature does there body shut down ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere. Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs of illness. Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer, Kristi
Re: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question
Thanx Barbara- yes she still has diarrhea, and no she is not active all she does is sleep. I finally got the vet to call me back and we are starting a second antibiotic. We will do bloodwork tomorrow seeing even if we pulled it today it would not be processed till tomorrow anyway. She is not anemic at all, its a big fat FUO (fever of unknown origin) I feel sooo bad for her, she is so tiny I don't know how much her little body can take, she only weighs 2 pounds!! Thank you for your help. Kristi From: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 12:08:48 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question sending this link to the fever archives on www.holisticat.com http://www.holisticat.com/fever_arch1.html kittens that are negative often run mysterious fevers--does she still have diarrhea? i'm glad she's eating and drinking. is she active at all? or is she just sleeping? it is scary when they run that high a temp in one so young and postive also. hopefully her body is fighting something hence the fever. does she look anemic at all? did the vet mention anything about getting blood work done? wish i could help more. barbara - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:47 AM Subject: 6 week old kitten fever question Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would call me :( I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos kitten, and of course she came with a fever. It was 104.0 the night I brought her home. I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so thankfully I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me to hold of on antibiotics because she has diarrhea. This was Tuesday night. Well by Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with me, the doc then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory and fever reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 am (last night) she spiked to 105.8!!! I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm. I put her to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night. This AM she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me. Obviously she has something else going on besides just a fever. I have a call in to my doc (again thank god I work there because its Sunday!) In the meantime I was just wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of fever...tips...anything? Also, at what temperature does there body shut down ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere. Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs of illness. Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer, Kristi
Re: 6 week old kitten fever question
I don't mean to scare you, but it could be FIP. Has your vet mentioned using baby aspiring to bring down the fever? It worked with Ginger. Adult cats can get one baby aspirin every three days (too much aspirin can kill cats). I have no idea how much a kitten that small would get, or if it is even safe, so please do not try it without talking to the vet first. Michelle
Re: FIP
I was already afraid of that. How catchy is it for my other cats? How again is that spread- we never see it at my clinic- isn't it pretty uncommon these days or am I confusing with another infectious disease? She is too young for the baby aspirin or should i say too thin, she does not weigh enough to even qualify for the smallest possible dose. We just started her on a 2nd antibiotic so fingers are crossed. I can't believe she's still eating!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 02:20:21 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question I don't mean to scare you, but it could be FIP. Has your vet mentioned using baby aspiring to bring down the fever? It worked with Ginger. Adult cats can get one baby aspirin every three days (too much aspirin can kill cats). I have no idea how much a kitten that small would get, or if it is even safe, so please do not try it without talking to the vet first. Michelle
thank you
I just want to thank you all for your responses we are having many problems (with leuk) right now and she is just topping off my plate right now. Just hearing others ideas is noce even if I've already tried/thought about them it means I'm thinking on the right tract and it is very nice support. I Didn't mention before because I wasn't (am still not) really able to talk about it right now but my 1 year old male was diagnosed 1 week ago with a large chest mass, and then Monday we found out that he has lymphoma in his bone marrow, liver, GI, and even in his blood supply. I will eventually accept his mortality and keep you all posted on his condition but until then thank you again for all your suggestions and support. Again thank you the support is so wonderful, Kristi
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Kristi, I don't know if your vet suggested chemo or talked to you about it, but it really does improve their quality of life for a while, usually, and sometimes puts them into remission. Simon had lymphoma in his bone marrow, liver, and spleen and was so sick when diagnosed that he had to be hospitalized for 5 days, but the chemo gave him about 2 months, much of which he felt really great. He only threw up once from chemo, and other than that did not have any side effects from it. The lymphoma was still under control when he died of sudden onset and very quickly progressing anemia, which the oncologist said could only be explained by him having an auto-immune reaction to his cancer and killing off his red blood cells (though my own primary care physician said a patient of hers got that and they said it was the chemo, not the cancer, causing the reaction, so who knows). If you don't do chemo, I would highly recommend steroids in strong doses, which definitely makes them feel good and also shrinks lymphoma. Two of mine lived 3 months with lymphoma and only on steroids. You can do prednisone pills, but I would recommend periodic shots of dexamethasone (fast-acting, strong, and not long-lasting) and of depomedrol (strong, long-acting), giving them as often as his symptoms return (they might last a few weeks at a time at first). The shots are stronger, last longer, and make it so you do not have to give steroid pills. Just my 2 cents. I have lost 2 and probably 3 to lymphoma (one was not definitively diagnosed). It is truly horrible and horrific. I do believe the steroids and the chemo both can make a big difference. Michelle In a message dated 6/12/05 2:29:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I Didn't mention before because I wasn't (am still not) really able to talk about it right now but my 1 year old male was diagnosed 1 week ago with a large chest mass, and then Monday we found out that he has lymphoma in his bone marrow, liver, GI, and even in his blood supply. I will eventually accept his mortality and keep you all posted on his condition but until then thank you again for all your suggestions and support. Again thank you the support is so wonderful, Kristi
Re: FIP
It's great she is eating. FIP in itself is not contagious, according to current thinking in the veterinary community. They think it is caused by a mutation of a corona virus, but there are many corona viruses and most cats carry them and in most cats it never mutates. Corona viruses are very contagious, so contagious that I think the majority of cats have been exposed to them and test positive for them. So if your kitten has FIP (hopefully not), your other cats probably all carry a corona virus already but it does not mean any of theirs will mutate. Mutation is very rare, and so FIP is rare. But there seems to be some anecdotal correlation between FeLV and mutation, in that there is some thought that more cats with FeLV might have viruses mutate into FIP than among negatives. But even so, most FeLV+ cats who carry a corona virus do not experience a mutation into FIP. Hope this is helpful. I learned all of this when I took in one of my positives and then learned she had been exposed to a cat with FIP, and I did a bunch of research and called an FIP expert at Cornell and learned the above information, at which point I released her into the house with the others. It is 3 years later and she is still with me (Patches), though one of my cats who died may have died of the dry form of FIP (though it was more likely lymphoma). Michelle In a message dated 6/12/05 2:24:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was already afraid of that. How "catchy" is it for my other cats? How again is that spread- we never see it at my clinic- isn't it pretty uncommon these days or am I confusing with another infectious disease? She is too young for the baby aspirin or should i say too thin, she does not weigh enough to even qualify for the smallest possible dose. We just started her on a 2nd antibiotic so fingers are crossed. I can't believe she's still eating!!
Re: Information
Niki, Yes, the vet would prescribe interferon for you. It is a clear liquid, (looks and tastes just like water) that you give orally. I don't know if I would start an asymptomatic kitten on interferon right away because of the immunity factor, (because it's human interferon, not feline), we are told that eventually their bodies develop immunity to it and it stops working for them. You may want to save that for when he's symptomatic. Tonya has a point though, if Ziggy is actually fighting the disease itself, it will help boost his immune system. I would think he'd be showing symptoms, at least a fever, if that were the case. I'm still hopeful that he has tested false positive. Can you get any information about his mother? If we knew her status, (positive or negative), that would tell us if Ziggy was exposed invitro, or somewhere else. I'm not sure about this, but I think cats that have gotten FelV and cleared it can still test at least faint-positive. Adult healthy cats, have a very good chance of clearing the virus. Cats that are immunized, don't get it at all. Hopefully someone will step in here with more info. That brings us to whether or not you should proceed with vaccinations. If Ziggy is otherwise healthy, I would get him his shots, (except FelV, of course). This is only my opinion, and he could have a bad reaction because of his status. I'd talk to your vet about this, research it, and again, others on the list may have different advice. If he's truly going to stay an indoor only cat, and he has no siblings that come and go from the house, it would make a difference in considering vaccines. Please don't feel at all uncomfortable about asking so many questions. You are a concerned and loving fur-mom trying to make the best decisions possible for your Ziggy. Believe me, we get that! Nina Nicholena Rushton wrote: Tonya: Ziggy is strictly an indoor cat only. Would the vet be the one to prescribe the interferon? Would this boost his immune system? Alos the vet gave him kitty shots and now I am wondering if I should continue with his next round when I take him back to the vet as I am now wondering if these vacs are going to compromise his immune system. Do you have any info regarding this? I apologize in advance for asking so many questions but I trying to do what is best for Ziggy and do not want to compromise what health he has right now. Niki - Original Message - *From:* catatonya mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, June 12, 2005 12:48 AM *Subject:* Re: Information Niki, I'm not the best one to give advice on the supplements as I'm not using them right now on any of my own. I have read a lot about transfer factor, but have never used it myself. If I were in your position I think what I would begin with is interferon. I would call the vet and ask if it's ok to start Ziggy on it to hopefully help him fight off the virus and seroconvert. Vets usually are ok with this. Most vets usually recommend a half cc of diluted interferon (Your vet will give you the amount.) for kittens. Once you get going on the interferon if things are going well you might then try transfer factor next, and so on. That would be my opinion. Does Ziggy stay indoors only? I would keep him away from other cats right now because you don't want to risk him being exposed to the virus at this stage obviously. You also don't want to take chances with kitty colds or anything else when you're trying to boost his immune system. I'm sure others will chime in with more advice and you can just pick and choose what works best for you and Ziggy. tonya */Nicholena Rushton [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Hi Tonya: Thanks you so much for the information. Any suggestions on food that I should be giving him? Right now I am giving him Iams Kitten Formula and catmilk (I think by Wiskas) every once in a while as a treat. Should I start vitamin C and the interferon now? If so what would the dosage be? I have been reading some stuff about something called Transfer Factor and am a bit confused by what I have read about it. DO you have anything yu could tell me - is it even worth it? I have to let you know that you have quelled my nerves somewhat as I went bonkers when I first heard of the + test and began to think the worst. Now it is nice to know Ziggy can have a productive life for whatever time I am going to be blessed by him. Niki - Original Message - *From:* catatonya mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Title: Message Hi Niki Welcome, and you have definitely come to the right place. As I'm not a seasoned member, I hesitate to give you answers directly to your Qs. But just in case it's a slow day (weekends can be slow) and you don't get direct responses quickly, I've pulled up some excellent, recent info (in response to Qs like your own) from some of our members whoARE extremely knowledgeable (scroll down). In answer to your first Q, my vet prescribed the interferon I got for my FeLV brood, Walgreen's obtained it for me, and my vet then diluted it. The cost of the inteferon --enough to last a year for my 5 cats--was $49. Never apologize for asking questions--ask as many as you like. You won't find a more supportive, generousand knowledgeable bunch of people than the members of this weblist. It's been a godsend for me. And, good luck with your kitty---I'm sending him lots of positive healing vibes.Ziggy islucky to have found such a caring mom. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicholena RushtonSent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 12:15 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Information Tonya: Ziggy is strictly an indoor cat only. Would the vet be the one to prescribe the interferon? Would this boost his immune system? Alos the vet gave him "kitty shots" and now I am wondering if I should continue with his next round when I take him back to the vet as I am now wondering if these vacs are going to compromise his immune system. Do you have any info regarding this? I apologize in advance for asking so many questions but I trying to do what is best for Ziggy and do not want to compromise what health he has right now. Niki As giving any vaccine is a stress to a cat's immune system, I would not go ahead and vaccinate a cat who was initially positive, then retested negative, without first determining whether or not the cat had cleared the virus; I would want to be sure that the infection had not become latent. There is little point in vaccinating a positive cat for the infecting virus, it is stressing an already-compromised immune system, which could be harmful. It will certainly not provide any protection from a virus which has already infected the cat. It is questionable whether or not an immunocompromised cat can benefit from any vaccines, period. If a cat's immune system has been compromised by a virus like FeLV or FIV, then its body cannot be expected to respond to the vaccination process as would a healthy cat. While it is claimed that it is impossible for a cat to succumb to an illness from a "killed" vaccine, any kind of stress to a compromised immune system can have a negative ef! fect. And if there is enough cumulative stress, opportunistic pathogens can more easily gain a foothold. Sally in San Jose _ If you want to find out more about the pros and cons of vaccines, I suggest the website Holisticat.com, which, as its name suggests is dedicated to exploring alternative and holistic approaches to cat care and feeding. I was able to find some very helpful info on that site regarding vaccines. There is also info available about an alternative to vaccines, homeopathic nosodes, which have been discussed on this site in the past, I believe, if you check the archives. I do not know or understand that much about them but there are some members of Holisticat who are better versed in that regard. Another site, Wellpet.com, also has much info available and I am sure there are other websites, as well. Most traditional vets are still recommending the yearly booster protocol and vaccinating for everything imaginable without considering the possible ill effects this may have, long-term, on an animal's immune system. Some more enlightened traditional vets are now recommending a more realistic 3-4 year booster protocol, but even that is seen as excessive by most holistic and alternative vets. After doing some research, I no longer give any of my critters yearly boosters and no vaccines at all to my immuno-compromised kittys. Feeding the best possible and most natural diet possible (70% of immune function is GI-related, i.e. that is how the appropriate nutrients get distributed and absorbed into the bloodstream) with supplements to boost the immune system and minimizing contact with possible pathogens seems to make more sense than continually assaulting the immune system year after year with vaccines, often for illnesses which animals have little risk of being exposed to. I think the same could be said about we humans, as well. There are many who believe there is a link between childhood vaccines and the increasing incidence of autism. The use of
Re: 6 week old kitten fever question
Ah Kristi, I'm sorry your new baby is sick. They're so tiny and vulnerable at that age, I can see why your so concerned. Has the vet ruled out obvious diarrhea causes, like coccidia and giardia? Was she put on Albon? You must have been out of your mind when her fever spiked to almost 106! I have a feeling sleeping with you helped as much as the ice pack. I'm sorry I can't tell you when a fever does irreparable damage. I'm glad to hear it's coming down. Could it be that she's actually fighting the FelV virus itself? Do you know her mother's status? I'm praying for your little angel, please let us know what's going on, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would call me :( I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos kitten, and of course she came with a fever. It was 104.0 the night I brought her home. I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so thankfully I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me to hold of on antibiotics because she has diarrhea. This was Tuesday night. Well by Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with me, the doc then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory and fever reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 am (last night) she spiked to 105.8!!! I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm. I put her to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night. This AM she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me. Obviously she has something else going on besides just a fever. I have a call in to my doc (again thank god I work there because its Sunday!) In the meantime I was just wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of fever...tips...anything? Also, at what temperature does there body shut down ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere. Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs of illness. Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer, Kristi
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Oh Kristi, Prayers for your 1 year old as well as the baby, (they're both just babies!). I'm so sorry, you must be overcome with worry right now. I'm sending you calming energy and healing energy for your babies, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want to thank you all for your responses we are having many problems (with leuk) right now and she is just topping off my plate right now. Just hearing others ideas is noce even if I've already tried/thought about them it means I'm thinking on the right tract and it is very nice support. I Didn't mention before because I wasn't (am still not) really able to talk about it right now but my 1 year old male was diagnosed 1 week ago with a large chest mass, and then Monday we found out that he has lymphoma in his bone marrow, liver, GI, and even in his blood supply. I will eventually accept his mortality and keep you all posted on his condition but until then thank you again for all your suggestions and support. Again thank you the support is so wonderful, Kristi
Re: chemo
Thanx michelle- we tried chemo but he was fighting and screaming and trying to bite. None of which he has ever done at the vet, in fact he is a very tolerant cat. He is on prednisone instead. I elected not to do the chemo, I'd rather him not have to deal with even if it will make him feel better if he hates it that much. I asked about steroid injections but my vet said no due to the advanced stage- not sure of the exact medical reason though. I'll pick their brains on Monday- thanx for that tip. He had absolutely no symptoms until June 1st and was diagnosed on June 4thHe had a clear chest xray in February. Its one of the fastest moving we've seen yet. We actually do alot of chemo (both positives and negatives) The results are great for negatives and your right it does help the positives for atleast a couple months more often than not, I wish he would let me, but maybe he already knows what I don't yet. In the meantime he seems to be comfortable, he has trouble swalowing and he is hungry and tries to eat which is the worst part of it yet. His borthers and sisters are being very comforting to him and he spends his days sleeping right inthe middle of the walkways in our house, he's still using his box and like I said eating a little bit. I have a feeling though that he's almost ready. It sooo sad he is sooo young and was definately the hearthtrob of the house, you know those cats that anytime your friends meet him he was always there favorite because he would! climb your leg if he had to for attention, he was a very kissy man, and stuck in everyone's minds. Even my boyfriends friends (not the biggest cat crowd) are really sad about him. They are all so special in their own way- but some are extrodinary.
Re: Re: FIP
Thank you for that info on FIP, that makes me feel safer for my others, another question.. can she survive it if she has it, what are the survival rates? Thanx again Kristi From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 02:46:39 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FIP It's great she is eating. FIP in itself is not contagious, according to current thinking in the veterinary community. They think it is caused by a mutation of a corona virus, but there are many corona viruses and most cats carry them and in most cats it never mutates. Corona viruses are very contagious, so contagious that I think the majority of cats have been exposed to them and test positive for them. So if your kitten has FIP (hopefully not), your other cats probably all carry a corona virus already but it does not mean any of theirs will mutate. Mutation is very rare, and so FIP is rare. But there seems to be some anecdotal correlation between FeLV and mutation, in that there is some thought that more cats with FeLV might have viruses mutate into FIP than among negatives. But even so, most FeLV+ cats who carry a corona virus do not experience a mutation into FIP. Hope this is helpful. I learned all of this when I took in one of my positives and then learned she had been exposed to a cat with FIP, and I did a bunch of research and called an FIP expert at Cornell and learned the above information, at which point I released her into the house with the others. It is 3 years later and she is still with me (Patches), though one of my cats who died may have died of the dry form of FIP (though it was more likely lymphoma). Michelle
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Re: chemo
Same here, Effie began with Elspar and then Cytoxan pill. On thatFriday morning she had labored breathing and whistling with the chest mass pressing inside her, had chemo... by Monday she was playing again and breathing fine. I can understand why you would not choose chemosince he was that freaked out. Give him lots of kisses. Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 2:40 PM Subject: Re: chemo Oh, how horrible. I think you are doing the right thing about the chemo if he is that stressed by it, actually. What your vet said about the steroid shots does not make ANY sense to me at all. If he is on pred, he can do steroid shots. In fact, when Simon, my hearthrob boy with a similar personality, came out of partial remission from chemo and his liver values got so bad that the oncologist said he could not do any more chemo and I should take him home to die, upon my request he gave him a depo shot and a dex shot. I then gave him another dex shot the next day at home. I don't know if you were on the list at that point, but I and everyone else on the list thought he was dying. I stopped all medical treatment and force-feedings and just held him for days. he got to the point he could not stand on his own. And then suddenly one night, three days after last eating, he sat up in the night and asked for water, then food, and by morning was walking around and his jaundice was almost gone. I took him to the oncologist and his liver values were down so far he could get chemo, and he went back into partial remission for a month and felt really great-- running and playing and the works. So if he could get tons of steroids when the oncologist thought he was sending him home to die, I do not see why your cat can't. The oncologist's explanation for Simon getting better was that the steroids shrunk the lymphoma in his liver and bone marrow, but that it still took a few days for his body to flush the bilirubin out enough to make him feel better. So the steroids really gave him another shot. Thinking about the chemo again, which chemo did your vet give him? Because Elspar is the one they normally start with if a cat is already sick, and it is just a subcutaneous shot I think. It is not IV or anything. And it sometimes kills off a lot of the lymphoma in itself and makes them feel better. And Cytoxin is just a pill, and that is one of the other ones that they do second or third. is there a way he can just get those two, neither of which are IV, and the steroids? Michelle In a message dated 6/12/2005 3:25:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanx michelle- we tried chemo but he was fighting and screaming and trying to bite. None of which he has ever done at the vet, in fact he is a very tolerant cat. He is on prednisone instead. I elected not to do the chemo, I'd rather him not have to deal with even if it will make him feel better if he hates it that much. I asked about steroid injections but my vet said no due to the advanced stage- not sure of the exact medical reason though. I'll pick their brains on Monday- thanx for that tip. He had absolutely no symptoms until June 1st and was diagnosed on June 4thHe had a clear chest xray in February. Its one of the fastest moving we've seen yet. We actually do alot of chemo (both positives and negatives) The results are great for negatives and your right it does help the positives for atleast a couple months more often than not, I wish he would let me, but maybe he already knows what I don't yet. In the meantime he seems to be comfortable, he has trouble swalowing and he is hungry and tries to eat which is the worst part of it yet. His borthers and sisters are being very comforting to him and he spends his days sleeping right inthe middle of the walkways in our house, he's still using his box and like I said eating a little bit. I have a feeling though that he's almost ready. It sooo sad he is sooo young and was definately the hearthtrob of the house, you know those cats that anytime your friends meet him he was always there favorite because he would! climb your leg if he had to for attention, he was a very kissy man, and stuck in everyone's minds. Even my boyfriends friends (not the biggest cat crowd) are really sad about him. They are all so special in their own way- but some are extrodinary.
Re: Re: chemo
I'll ask about all this on MOnday- thank you From: Del Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 04:04:16 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: chemo Same here, Effie began with Elspar and then Cytoxan pill. On that Friday morning she had labored breathing and whistling with the chest mass pressing inside her, had chemo ... by Monday she was playing again and breathing fine. I can understand why you would not choose chemo since he was that freaked out. Give him lots of kisses. Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 2:40 PM Subject: Re: chemo Oh, how horrible. I think you are doing the right thing about the chemo if he is that stressed by it, actually. What your vet said about the steroid shots does not make ANY sense to me at all. If he is on pred, he can do steroid shots. In fact, when Simon, my hearthrob boy with a similar personality, came out of partial remission from chemo and his liver values got so bad that the oncologist said he could not do any more chemo and I should take him home to die, upon my request he gave him a depo shot and a dex shot. I then gave him another dex shot the next day at home. I don't know if you were on the list at that point, but I and everyone else on the list thought he was dying. I stopped all medical treatment and force-feedings and just held him for days. he got to the point he could not stand on his own. And then suddenly one night, three days after last eating, he sat up in the night and asked for water, then food, and by morning was walking around and his jaundice! was almost gone. I took him to the oncologist and his liver values were down so far he could get chemo, and he went back into partial remission for a month and felt really great-- running and playing and the works. So if he could get tons of steroids when the oncologist thought he was sending him home to die, I do not see why your cat can't. The oncologist's explanation for Simon getting better was that the steroids shrunk the lymphoma in his liver and bone marrow, but that it still took a few days for his body to flush the bilirubin out enough to make him feel better. So the steroids really gave him another shot. Thinking about the chemo again, which chemo did your vet give him? Because Elspar is the one they normally start with if a cat is already sick, and it is just a subcutaneous shot I think. It is not IV or anything. And it sometimes kills off a lot of the lymphoma in itself and makes them feel better. And Cytoxin is just a pill, and that is one of the other ones that they do second or third. is there a way he can just get those two, neither of which are IV, and the steroids? Michelle In a message dated 6/12/2005 3:25:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanx michelle- we tried chemo but he was fighting and screaming and trying to bite. None of which he has ever done at the vet, in fact he is a very tolerant cat. He is on prednisone instead. I elected not to do the chemo, I'd rather him not have to deal with even if it will make him feel better if he hates it that much. I asked about steroid injections but my vet said no due to the advanced stage- not sure of the exact medical reason though. I'll pick their brains on Monday- thanx for that tip. He had absolutely no symptoms until June 1st and was diagnosed on June 4thHe had a clear chest xray in February. Its one of the fastest moving we've seen yet. We actually do alot of chemo (both positives and negatives) The results are great for negatives and your right it does help the positives for atleast a couple months more often than not, I wish he would let me, but maybe he already knows what I don't yet. In the meantime he seems to be comfortable, he has trouble swalowing and he is hungry and tries to eat which is the worst part of it yet. His borthers and sisters are being very comforting to him and he spends his days sleeping right inthe middle of the walkways in our house, he's still using his box and like I said eating a little bit. I have a feeling though that he's almost ready. It sooo sad he is sooo young and was definately the hearthtrob of the house, you know those cats that anytime your friends meet him he was always there favorite because he! would! climb your leg if he had to for attention, he was a very kissy man, and stuck in everyone's minds. Even my boyfriends friends (not the biggest cat crowd) are really sad about him. They are all so special in their own way- but some are extrodinary.
anyone checked out petfinder lately
any one checked out petfinder lately
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Re: Information
The only thing I know about his mom is that she was a stray a friend of mine took in over the winter and low and behold she was preg. Ziggy has three other siblings and I know my friend is trying to see if the other two she gave away have tested pos. (I guess it's kind of difficult to ask someone especially if they have not had them tested but I was of the mindset she should at least let them know one of the litter had a pos test). I know she was going to take the last one - whom she still has - to the vet this week coming up to test her. She was also going to let her ex know about Ziggy for his mom to be tested(he took her and she does not care to be an indoor cat - she escapes). As far as I know he is otherwise healthy --his temp was normal ,his gums are pink, he is grooming himself regularly, going to the bathroom regularly and being as playful and mischievous as ever. The only thing I know is he has no desire to eat is wet food although he has had this aversion since he was weaned (he does come running at the sound of a tuna can being opened though!). Niki - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Information Niki,Yes, the vet would prescribe interferon for you. It is a clear liquid, (looks and tastes just like water) that you give orally. I don't know if I would start an asymptomatic kitten on interferon right away because of the immunity factor, (because it's human interferon, not feline), we are told that eventually their bodies develop "immunity" to it and it stops working for them. You may want to save that for when he's symptomatic. Tonya has a point though, if Ziggy is actually fighting the disease itself, it will help boost his immune system. I would think he'd be showing symptoms, at least a fever, if that were the case. I'm still hopeful that he has tested false positive. Can you get any information about his mother? If we knew her status, (positive or negative), that would tell us if Ziggy was exposed invitro, or somewhere else. I'm not sure about this, but I think cats that have gotten FelV and cleared it can still test at least faint-positive. Adult healthy cats, have a very good chance of clearing the virus. Cats that are immunized, don't get it at all. Hopefully someone will step in here with more info. That brings us to whether or not you should proceed with vaccinations. If Ziggy is otherwise healthy, I would get him his shots, (except FelV, of course). This is only my opinion, and he could have a bad reaction because of his status. I'd talk to your vet about this, research it, and again, others on the list may have different advice. If he's truly going to stay an indoor only cat, and he has no siblings that come and go from the house, it would make a difference in considering vaccines.Please don't feel at all uncomfortable about "asking so many questions". You are a concerned and loving fur-mom trying to make the best decisions possible for your Ziggy. Believe me, we get that!NinaNicholena Rushton wrote: Tonya: Ziggy is strictly an indoor cat only. Would the vet be the one to prescribe the interferon? Would this boost his immune system? Alos the vet gave him "kitty shots" and now I am wondering if I should continue with his next round when I take him back to the vet as I am now wondering if these vacs are going to compromise his immune system. Do you have any info regarding this? I apologize in advance for asking so many questions but I trying to do what is best for Ziggy and do not want to compromise what health he has right now. Niki - Original Message - *From:* catatonya mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, June 12, 2005 12:48 AM *Subject:* Re: Information Niki, I'm not the best one to give advice on the supplements as I'm not using them right now on any of my own. I have read a lot about transfer factor, but have never used it myself. If I were in your position I think what I would begin with is interferon. I would call the vet and ask if it's ok to start Ziggy on it to hopefully help him fight off the virus and seroconvert. Vets usually are ok with this. Most vets usually recommend a half cc of diluted interferon (Your vet will give you the amount.) for kittens. Once you get going on the interferon if things are going well you might then try transfer factor next, and so on. That would be my opinion. Does Ziggy stay indoors only? I would keep him away from other cats right now because you don't want to risk him being exposed to the virus at this stage obviously. You also don't want to take chances with kitty colds or anything else when you're trying to boost his immune
Re: Information
Niki, The fellow that adopted Ziggy's mom has had her spayed, right? If not, she needs to be spayed asap. If she does have FeLV, or is a carrier, then she's spreading it to not only every litter she conceives, but to every Tom she mates with. Having her spayed will make her less likely to want to escape outside as well. I know it's hard to transition an outdoor cat to indoor life, but it's worth the trouble in this case. If she's just recently been spayed, it may take her a while to work the hormones out of her system, she may still be looking for boyfriends. It was wonderful of this fellow to adopt Ziggy's mom, but please see if you can convince him to get her off the street altogether. I would absolutely tell the other folks that adopted from the litter. It doesn't mean that they will necessarily test positive too, but they should know. Please let your friend know that just because a kitten at their age tests positive it doesn't necessarily mean they actually have the virus, or will continue to test positive. I know I've seen studies to back this up, but I'd have to do some research to find it. Anyone else on the list have this info at your fingertips? I would introduce Ziggy to different taste sensations. Cats tend to get stuck on one thing, if that's all you feed them. When/if he ever needs to get meds, or is giving you a hard time eating, he will accept different foods better, if he's been exposed to some variety. Besides, it's fun to be indulgent with the little buggers! Nina Nicholena Rushton wrote: The only thing I know about his mom is that she was a stray a friend of mine took in over the winter and low and behold she was preg. Ziggy has three other siblings and I know my friend is trying to see if the other two she gave away have tested pos. (I guess it's kind of difficult to ask someone especially if they have not had them tested but I was of the mindset she should at least let them know one of the litter had a pos test). I know she was going to take the last one - whom she still has - to the vet this week coming up to test her. She was also going to let her ex know about Ziggy for his mom to be tested (he took her and she does not care to be an indoor cat - she escapes). As far as I know he is otherwise healthy -- his temp was normal ,his gums are pink, he is grooming himself regularly, going to the bathroom regularly and being as playful and mischievous as ever. The only thing I know is he has no desire to eat is wet food although he has had this aversion since he was weaned (he does come running at the sound of a tuna can being opened though!). Niki - Original Message - *From:* Nina mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:04 PM *Subject:* Re: Information Niki, Yes, the vet would prescribe interferon for you. It is a clear liquid, (looks and tastes just like water) that you give orally. I don't know if I would start an asymptomatic kitten on interferon right away because of the immunity factor, (because it's human interferon, not feline), we are told that eventually their bodies develop immunity to it and it stops working for them. You may want to save that for when he's symptomatic. Tonya has a point though, if Ziggy is actually fighting the disease itself, it will help boost his immune system. I would think he'd be showing symptoms, at least a fever, if that were the case. I'm still hopeful that he has tested false positive. Can you get any information about his mother? If we knew her status, (positive or negative), that would tell us if Ziggy was exposed invitro, or somewhere else. I'm not sure about this, but I think cats that have gotten FelV and cleared it can still test at least faint-positive. Adult healthy cats, have a very good chance of clearing the virus. Cats that are immunized, don't get it at all. Hopefully someone will step in here with more info. That brings us to whether or not you should proceed with vaccinations. If Ziggy is otherwise healthy, I would get him his shots, (except FelV, of course). This is only my opinion, and he could have a bad reaction because of his status. I'd talk to your vet about this, research it, and again, others on the list may have different advice. If he's truly going to stay an indoor only cat, and he has no siblings that come and go from the house, it would make a difference in considering vaccines. Please don't feel at all uncomfortable about asking so many questions. You are a concerned and loving fur-mom trying to make the best decisions possible for your Ziggy. Believe me, we get that! Nina Nicholena Rushton wrote: Tonya: Ziggy is strictly an
Re: Transfer Factor
Michelle, Please let meknow how it works out and I will have Bramble in my prayers Niki - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 1:52 PM Subject: Transfer Factor Nikki - I have had Bramble on Trasfer Factor for 3 days now so I'll let you know how it goes. It was a case of every thing to gain and nothing to lose by trying it. Michelle
Re: FIP
In a message dated 6/12/2005 2:24:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't mean to scare you, but it could be FIP. Michelle, Some years ago, one of my "fosters" developed a very high fever of unknown origin She was small too, but my vet did advise rubbing cotton swabs soaked w/ rubbing alcohol and dabbing them on her paws and behind her ears. It did work very well refucing fever... When I rushed her to vet her temp was above 106 we really thought we'd lose her. She got IV fluids and was old enough for IV AB's. Her abdomen was "slightly" distended, so among all other tests we did run the corona titres. She came back w/ titre so high it was OFF the charts, But. there are SO many corona viruses, you can not get a TRUE definitive diagnosis without a necropsy. And, she continued to improve, so that was totally out of the question. At the time, I had many fosters, and I had another boy develop the FUO. However, his corona titres were within "normal" range. Sadly, I did lose 2 of my boys, most likely to FIP a year or so later..one wet, one dry. I also refused necropsies because the damage was done and I did NOT want to panic living in a multi cat household. Three years ago I did lose a tiny kitten to FIP, The shelter insisted on a necropsy it was confirmed, My Sweet Little Magpie 1. Luckily, she was never in with my other cats. To this day, Meisha, the first girl w/ high corona titre, is very healthy and, although her titres remain high, she has not been sick since. There is so much we do not know about FIP and I do beat myself up wondering if Meisha is a "carrier" of the deadly strain and if that played any part in the deaths of Oden and Dusty. But, you just make yourself crazy second guessing..I wish you the best with your little bundle of joy. Just give her vet care and ALL your love. Hugs, Patti
Re: for Niki: Information
Title: Message Hi Kerry, Thanks for the info. how soon did you start them on the interferon? Ziggy is about 9 weeks old... I am also grateful to find this group as I was completely overwhelmed when I first found out and then began researching it on the web... I also have one other quick question regarding tech stuff and the website - I got a message saying the moderator had to approve my last email as it was too big... do you know what that is about? Niki - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 3:06 PM Subject: for Niki: Information Hi Niki Welcome, and you have definitely come to the right place. As I'm not a seasoned member, I hesitate to give you answers directly to your Qs. But just in case it's a slow day (weekends can be slow) and you don't get direct responses quickly, I've pulled up some excellent, recent info (in response to Qs like your own) from some of our members whoARE extremely knowledgeable (scroll down). In answer to your first Q, my vet prescribed the interferon I got for my FeLV brood, Walgreen's obtained it for me, and my vet then diluted it. The cost of the inteferon --enough to last a year for my 5 cats--was $49. Never apologize for asking questions--ask as many as you like. You won't find a more supportive, generousand knowledgeable bunch of people than the members of this weblist. It's been a godsend for me. And, good luck with your kitty---I'm sending him lots of positive healing vibes.Ziggy islucky to have found such a caring mom. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicholena RushtonSent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 12:15 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Information Tonya: Ziggy is strictly an indoor cat only. Would the vet be the one to prescribe the interferon? Would this boost his immune system? Alos the vet gave him "kitty shots" and now I am wondering if I should continue with his next round when I take him back to the vet as I am now wondering if these vacs are going to compromise his immune system. Do you have any info regarding this? I apologize in advance for asking so many questions but I trying to do what is best for Ziggy and do not want to compromise what health he has right now. Niki As giving any vaccine is a stress to a cat's immune system, I would not go ahead and vaccinate a cat who was initially positive, then retested negative, without first determining whether or not the cat had cleared the virus; I would want to be sure that the infection had not become latent. There is little point in vaccinating a positive cat for the infecting virus, it is stressing an already-compromised immune system, which could be harmful. It will certainly not provide any protection from a virus which has already infected the cat. It is questionable whether or not an immunocompromised cat can benefit from any vaccines, period. If a cat's immune system has been compromised by a virus like FeLV or FIV, then its body cannot be expected to respond to the vaccination process as would a healthy cat. While it is claimed that it is impossible for a cat to succumb to an illness from a "killed" vaccine, any kind of stress to a compromised immune system can have a negative ef! fect. And if there is enough cumulative stress, opportunistic pathogens can more easily gain a foothold. Sally in San Jose _ If you want to find out more about the pros and cons of vaccines, I suggest the website Holisticat.com, which, as its name suggests is dedicated to exploring alternative and holistic approaches to cat care and feeding. I was able to find some very helpful info on that site regarding vaccines. There is also info available about an alternative to vaccines, homeopathic nosodes, which have been discussed on this site in the past, I believe, if you check the archives. I do not know or understand that much about them but there are some members of Holisticat who are better versed in that regard. Another site, Wellpet.com, also has much info available and I am sure there are other websites, as well. Most traditional vets are still recommending the yearly booster protocol and vaccinating for everything imaginable without considering the possible ill effects this may have, long-term, on an animal's immune system. Some more enlightened traditional vets are now recommending a more realistic 3-4 year booster protocol, but even that is seen as excessive by most holistic and alternative
Re: FIP
Hi, If it is FIP you may be in luck as I was. I had 18 FeLV+ cats and was fostering a cat that turned out to have FIP and had to be put down. I sweated it out for several mos. and I was very lucky that to my knowedge none of my cats came down with it. If they did they were able to fight it off. My Vet told me it would be a waste of my money to have them tested for it. He told me if they did have it there was nothing I could do about it. Many cats are able to fight it off and they might end up being a carrier. That was 10yrs. ago and todate I have not had a cat show signs of having it.
Re: Re: FIP
thanx all for the great info. I feel better about my cats being exsposed to her but am still concerned as to wether or not she has FIP. It almost temp taking time I'll let you know. Kristi From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karolyn Lount) Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 07:12:39 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FIP Hi, If it is FIP you may be in luck as I was. I had 18 FeLV+ cats and was fostering a cat that turned out to have FIP and had to be put down. I sweated it out for several mos. and I was very lucky that to my knowedge none of my cats came down with it. If they did they were able to fight it off. My Vet told me it would be a waste of my money to have them tested for it. He told me if they did have it there was nothing I could do about it. Many cats are able to fight it off and they might end up being a carrier. That was 10yrs. ago and todate I have not had a cat show signs of having it.
Re: Vitamin C questions
Hey there Del! Good point - absolutely, it can cause diarrhea in animals and in people. If so, you back off of the quantity a little, and keep doing that till no diarrhea. I take it regularly too, not Belfields though, I take Rainbow Light Powder. The bottle of Belfields Vit C has directions - but they're downstairs, and I can't remember what it says. But in general, I've always used about 200-500mg daily (if I can get disciplined enough to do daily). Start low, even lower than that if you wish, and build up. Dr. Belfield is the vet who says that he's had FELV+ cats go negative after several months of the Vit C therapy. Well my # of cats increased, and my discipline decreased, so I stopped the vitamin C to adjust myself for a while. Have to start it back up. Seems like it was Dr. Pitcairn's book that said, for upper respiratory infections, to give 250 mg Vit C, plus 250mg Lysine twice daily. I used to do that for Lucy, and it worked well - she died in 2001, I think. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Del Daniels wrote: I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats ... what is a starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and how gradual can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during an URI? Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Supplements - Grace Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html and click on the magazine link. He has links for products and that's where they are. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote: Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid was really unpleasant tasting? I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in. I do have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does. Can I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search on the Drs' names? Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of C with other nutrients. And ordered his B complex liquid- initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done that. I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it. Also ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis (sp). Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus lysine. Something helped, he got better. Gloria At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: What did you order, and what is it suppose to help with? N Gloria B. Lane wrote: Right, those are the sups I use, except I've ordered some laterly from Dr. Belfield. It gets hard to give lots of supplements, sometimes. Gloria At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria, Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis. I used to give it every day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10. Now I just add supplements periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom. Everyone's been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, stress formula. I'm out of Interferon A, I usually put them on that when they have symptoms too. I do have some VO in the box, I may start her on that. Nina
Re: Bramble, questions and Grace
I think it was sold for dogs with Parvo before it ever caught on for cats. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 9:58 PM, catatonya wrote: This is promising news!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will certainly add Grace to my prayers - hope she ok soon. I will try to answer the questions recently asked. Due to Bramble having been adopted with FIV the sanctuary pay the vets bills and I contribute what I can. The sanctuary have an acccount set up with a specific Veterinary company that have a few surgery's but the vets appear to have similar mind set. Brambles usual vet is ok but is on holiday so the current vet is one he usually doesn't see. I asked the sanctuary if I could take him to a vet where I pprefer but they said no because a large discount from this chain of vets. I can't wait for his usual vet to come back next week - she is much more open to alternative medicine and may listen more to me - I hope. Meanwhile this other vet has been pressuring for euthansia and there isn't really anyone I can take him too yet as they will just back her up as she is bound to have given them her opinion. My dogs vet agrees more with me but the sanctuary wouldn't pay the bills if he went there and I can't afford all the bills myself. I am considerring asking her if she will look him over and give a second opinion though and pay myself. Virbagen Omega (what Bramble is on) is injected for FIV protocol but can be administered orally if it purely for calicivirus. It can also be used on dogs for certain conditions too. Bramble has shown no more deterioration thank lord, and he followed my finger with his eyes so he can see something at least - but one day at a time. I will keep praying and nursing. I am going to try and pick up interferon tomorrow when that vet is not in surgery. Michelle
Re: 6 week old kitten fever question
I have no new ideas, but I hope your new kitten is feeling better. Trying to cool them as you have been doing is all I know. Good luck with her! tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would call me :(I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos kitten, and of course she came with a fever. It was 104.0 the night I brought her home. I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so thankfully I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me to hold of on antibiotics because she has diarrhea. This was Tuesday night. Well by Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with me, the doc then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory and fever reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 am (last night) she spiked to 105.8!!!I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm. I put her to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night. This AM she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me. Obviously she has something else going on besides just a fever. I have a call in to my doc (again thank god I work there because its Sunday!) In the meantime I was just wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of fever...tips...anything? Also, at what temperature does there body "shut down" ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere. Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs of illness. Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer,Kristi
dex/elspar- learned alot today...
I talked to one of my vets today and we are going to start Val on dex injections tomorrow morning. She said she didn't start him on it in the beginning because she does not like the longterm side effects, so I was mistaken on the reason why. I also asked her about Elsparshe actually was involved in setting up a protocol for its use in dogs and at that time it was not used in cats, as far as she knows about its use in cat nowadays(and she said she'd look into it more) it is used in a chemo protocol called VELCAP in which it is used in the first week along with cytoxan, it is given SQ because side effects occur less intensely that way; one of which is an allergic anaphylaxis so its supposed to be given 30 minutes after benadryl. each chemo for the next weeks 2-6 alternates between vincrystine adriamycin and prednisone is started. so it seems from the feline info she had at the top of her head that he would evetually need IV chemo anyway. Is this what your cats had? ! or did they just get one injection of Elspar? If you could somehow get your veterinarians protocol for its use she was actually very interested and willing to try it in the future. We always use a chemo protocol called COPA or COP which uses either vincrystine or Adriamycin along with some weeks combining the injection with cytoxan, and those 2 have to go IV because they cannot get outside the vein. One last question did you give depo at the same time, and was it just one injection because its long lasting right? Thanx again Kristi
fever down!
or maybe the thermometer is broken!!!??? I can't believe it her temp is 100.6She still feels hot though and is quiet- hopefully she's just weak from having a temp for so long, and she is SOOO thin. I can't find my other thermometer so I'll take it again in an hour- maybe I'll guinea pig on of my others to see what it says then...Its just suddenly so normal I can't believe it :)yeah From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 09:46:17 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question I have no new ideas, but I hope your new kitten is feeling better. Trying to cool them as you have been doing is all I know. Good luck with her! tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would call me :( I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos kitten, and of course she came with a fever. It was 104.0 the night I brought her home. I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so thankfully I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me to hold of on antibiotics because she has diarrhea. This was Tuesday night. Well by Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with me, the doc then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory and fever reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 am (last night) she spiked to 105.8!!! I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm. I put her to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night. This AM she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me. Obviously she has something else going on besides just a fever. I have a call in to my doc (again thank god I work there because its Sunday!) In the meantime I was just wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of fever...tips...anything? Also, at what temperature does there body shut down ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere. Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs of illness. Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer, Kristi
Re: fever down!
Big sigh of relief, here's to her continued improvement! Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: or maybe the thermometer is broken!!!??? I can't believe it her temp is 100.6She still feels hot though and is quiet- hopefully she's just weak from having a temp for so long, and she is SOOO thin. I can't find my other thermometer so I'll take it again in an hour- maybe I'll guinea pig on of my others to see what it says then...Its just suddenly so normal I can't believe it :)yeah
Re: Vitamin C questions
Right - the stuff from Dr. Belfield is powder. The Vit C that I order is Rainbow Light Vit C Powder, I've been ordering it from Betterlife.com, online. Gloria On Jun 12, 2005, at 8:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not to butt in here but you can get Vitamin C in powder form? did I read that correctly? And its daily right? Thank you, kristi From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 07:40:47 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Vitamin C questions Hey there Del! Good point - absolutely, it can cause diarrhea in animals and in people. If so, you back off of the quantity a little, and keep doing that till no diarrhea. I take it regularly too, not Belfields though, I take Rainbow Light Powder. The bottle of Belfields Vit C has directions - but they're downstairs, and I can't remember what it says. But in general, I've always used about 200-500mg daily (if I can get disciplined enough to do daily). Start low, even lower than that if you wish, and build up. Dr. Belfield is the vet who says that he's had FELV+ cats go negative after several months of the Vit C therapy. Well my # of cats increased, and my discipline decreased, so I stopped the vitamin C to adjust myself for a while. Have to start it back up. Seems like it was Dr. Pitcairn's book that said, for upper respiratory infections, to give 250 mg Vit C, plus 250mg Lysine twice daily. I used to do that for Lucy, and it worked well - she died in 2001, I think. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Del Daniels wrote: I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats ... what is a starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and how gradual can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during an URI? Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Supplements - Grace Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html and click on the magazine link. He has links for products and that's where they are. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote: Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid was really unpleasant tasting? I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in. I do have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does. Can I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search on the Drs' names? Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of C with other nutrients. And ordered his B complex liquid- initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done that. I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it. Also ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis (sp). Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus lysine. Something helped, he got better. Gloria At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: What did you order, and what is it suppose to help with? N Gloria B. Lane wrote: Right, those are the sups I use, except I've ordered some laterly from Dr. Belfield. It gets hard to give lots of supplements, sometimes. Gloria At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria, Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis. I used to give it every day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10. Now I just add supplements periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom. Everyone's been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, stress formula. I'm out of Interferon A, I usually put them on that when they have symptoms too. I do have some VO in the box, I may start her on that. Nina
Re: fever down!
keep thinking postively that her temp is down!!! barbara
Re: Information
Niki, Yes on both questions about interferon. On the shots, your kitten is too young for rabies, so I hope you did not get that. I would go ahead with the fvrcp because you don't want to take chances with distemper, etc...I assume, since he tested positive the vet didn'tdo a leukemia shot? Were other vaccinations given? The only one I would follow through with would be fvrcp, and that 'should' have been the only one given t Nicholena Rushton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya: Ziggy is strictly an indoor cat only. Would the vet be the one to prescribe the interferon? Would this boost his immune system? Alos the vet gave him "kitty shots" and now I am wondering if I should continue with his next round when I take him back to the vet as I am now wondering if these vacs are going to compromise his immune system. Do you have any info regarding this? I apologize in advance for asking so many questions but I trying to do what is best for Ziggy and do not want to compromise what health he has right now. Niki - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 12:48 AM Subject: Re: Information Niki, I'm not the best one to give advice on the supplements as I'm not using them right now on any of my own. I have read a lot about transfer factor, but have never used it myself. If I were in your position I think what I would begin with is interferon. I would call the vet and ask if it's ok to start Ziggy on it to hopefully help him fight off the virus and seroconvert. Vets usually are ok with this. Most vets usually recommend a half cc of diluted interferon (Your vet will give you the amount.) for kittens. Once you get going on the interferon if things are going well you might then try transfer factor next, and so on. That would be my opinion. Does Ziggy stay indoors only? I would keep him away from other cats right now because you don't want to risk him being exposed to the virus at this stage obviously. You also don't want to take chances with kitty colds or anything else when you're trying to boost his immune system. I'm sure others will chime in with more advice and you can just pick and choose what works best for you and Ziggy. tonyaNicholena Rushton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya: Thanks you so much for the information. Any suggestions on food that I should be giving him? Right now I am giving him Iams Kitten Formula and catmilk (I think by Wiskas) every once in a while as a treat. Should I start vitamin C and the interferon now? If so what would the dosage be? I have been reading some stuff about something called Transfer Factor and am a bit confused by what I have read about it. DO you have anything yu could tell me - is it even worth it? I have to let you know that you have quelled my nerves somewhat as I went bonkers when I first heard of the + test and began to think the worst. Now it is nice to know Ziggy can have a productive life for whatever time I am going to be blessed by him. Niki - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 1:42 AM Subject: RE: Information Hi Niki! I'm glad you found the list. You'll get lots of support and advice! First of all congratulations on your new baby! The good news is that if Ziggy is only 8 weeks old he could still fight off the virus (which it sounds like you've already learned). I'm not sure what the total time you would need to be sure with a kitten this young. But I think by June 30 he could still be positive even if he were eventually going to be negative. In the meantime I would get directions from the archives on feeding Ziggy good, nutritional food. I would probably add some vitamin c and get interferon from my vet. My vet used to give interferon to negative shelter cats to keep them from catching URI's at the shelter. It's supposed to boost their immune system, so I would give it a try. You'll get lots of other advice. The most important thing, in my opinion, is not to over worry. Even if Ziggy remains positive, it is possible he could only be carrying the disease and never get sick from it. Also, add one thing at a time. Try not to overwhelm yourself and Ziggy witha zillionnew foods and additives, etc. all at once. Good luck with Ziggy! I like the name! tonyaNicholena Rushton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I have just adopted a 8 week old kitten named Ziggy. Ziggy had his first vet visit on 6-9-05 and since I knew nothing about his mom or dad I decided to have a FeLV test done which resulted in a positive. I was devastated and am now trying to figure out the best course for Ziggy. He is acting like a normal kitten would, getting into all sorts of trouble and shows no signs of the diease. I am trying to stave off anfull blown attack and would like to have information regarding what I should be doing right from the start. I am going to have retested in a follow up visit on 6-30 and am also curious to know if he
Re: Question
Sheila, I know many people that simply flea comb their cats daily. It works! If you're obsessive compulsive like myself you'll even enjoy it. lol. Good luck! Also, when I get a flea on the comb I usually drop it into a coffee mug of hot soapy water or rubbing alcohol to kill it. tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a 15 year old boy (Bubba) Felv +that recently picked up a bad case of fleas, brought in by my dogs.Bubba is really frail from injuries he got as a stray. He was attacked by dogs and had many broken bones and lost a leg. I need to know how to rid him of fleas without using chemicals. I'm afraid of something like Brambles problems might happen to him. I don't want to bathe him either unless it is the only way, he is so afraid of water.Sheila
Re: Re: Vitamin C questions
belfield's is powder--it's the one i had mr. bean on the postive who is now negative. if you google belfield and mega C plus i believe the company is orthomological or somethiing like that. it's too darn hot to walk back downstairs again. they ship very quickly. barbara
Re: Re: Vitamin C questions
i noticed that he also has a liquid but it says its for weaning kittens, I do not feed canned food on a daily basis, does anyone know if i could use the liquid form instead of the powder? I feel as though I would be better about giving it on a daily basis. If not i will call their help line tomorrow- thanx krisit From: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 10:28:13 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Re: Vitamin C questions belfield's is powder--it's the one i had mr. bean on the postive who is now negative. if you google belfield and mega C plus i believe the company is orthomological or somethiing like that. it's too darn hot to walk back downstairs again. they ship very quickly. barbara
Re: FIP
I think they are saying now that it's really not that 'catchy' because it's caused by a corona virus that most cats are or will be exposed to already. It's just that most cats exposed to the various viruses do not come down with fip and a few do. t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was already afraid of that. How "catchy" is it for my other cats? How again is that spread- we never see it at my clinic- isn't it pretty uncommon these days or am I confusing with another infectious disease?She is too young for the baby aspirin or should i say too thin, she does not weigh enough to even qualify for the smallest possible dose. We just started her on a 2nd antibiotic so fingers are crossed. I can't believe she's still eating!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 02:20:21 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question I don't mean to scare you, but it could be FIP. Has your vet mentioned using baby aspiring to bring down the fever? It worked with Ginger. Adult cats can get one baby aspirin every three days (too much aspirin can kill cats). I have no idea how much a kitten that small would get, or if it is even safe, so please do not try it without talking to the vet first. Michelle
Re: thank you
I'm so sorry for the problems you're dealing with right now and the bad report of the cancer. I hope your cat has as many good days as possible left to spend with you Kristi. tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want to thank you all for your responses we are having many problems (with leuk) right now and she is just topping off my plate right now. Just hearing others ideas is noce even if I've already tried/thought about them it means I'm thinking on the right tract and it is very nice support.I Didn't mention before because I wasn't (am still not) really able to talk about it right now but my 1 year old male was diagnosed 1 week ago with a large chest mass, and then Monday we found out that he has lymphoma in his bone marrow, liver, GI, and even in his blood supply. I will eventually accept his mortality and keep you all posted on his condition but until then thank you again for all your suggestions and support.Again thank you the support is so wonderful, Kristi
Re: Please Help!! 2 17y old healthy cats...NYTanya
In a message dated 6/12/2005 9:33:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well I'm glad you're taking one from there. I can't believe we have so many places here that still gas. It's pathetic. Yeah, and Kentucky let's the "inmates" they use as their staff SHOOT the animals!
Re: Bramble, questions and Grace
It was. And that is good news. I was talking about the last paragraph though, where Michelle said that Bramble is holding his own as of yesterday! : ) I hope there's a report from today that's even better! tonyaGloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it was sold for dogs with Parvo before it ever caught on for cats.GloriaOn Jun 11, 2005, at 9:58 PM, catatonya wrote: This is promising news!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will certainly add Grace to my prayers - hope she ok soon. I will try to answer the questions recently asked. Due to Bramble having been adopted with FIV the sanctuary pay the vets bills and I contribute what I can. The sanctuary have an acccount set up with a specific Veterinary company that have a few surgery's but the vets appear to have similar mind set. Brambles usual vet is ok but is on holiday so the current vet is one he usually doesn't see. I asked the sanctuary if I could take him to a vet where I pprefer but they said no because a large discount from this chain of vets. I can't wait for his usual vet to come back next week - she is much more open to alternative medicine and may listen more to me - I hope. Meanwhile this other vet has been pressuring for euthansia and there isn't really anyone I can take him too yet as they will just back her up as she is bound to have given them her opinion. My dogs vet agrees more with me but the sanctuary wouldn't pay the bills if he went there and I can't afford all the bills myself. I am considerring asking her if she will look him over and give a second opinion though and pay myself. Virbagen Omega (what Bramble is on) is injected for FIV protocol but can be administered orally if it purely for calicivirus. It can also be used on dogs for certain conditions too. Bramble has shown no more deterioration thank lord, and he followed my finger with his eyes so he can see something at least - but one day at a time. I will keep praying and nursing. I am going to try and pick up interferon tomorrow when that vet is not in surgery. Michelle
Re: fever down!
When a fever 'breaks' it happens very quickly. Maybe the antibiotics kicked in? I hope the fever is really down and stays down! t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: or maybe the thermometer is broken!!!??? I can't believe it her temp is 100.6She still feels hot though and is quiet- hopefully she's just weak from having a temp for so long, and she is SOOO thin. I can't find my other thermometer so I'll take it again in an hour- maybe I'll guinea pig on of my others to see what it says then...Its just suddenly so normal I can't believe it :)yeah From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 09:46:17 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question I have no new ideas, but I hope your new kitten is feeling better. Trying to cool them as you have been doing is all I know. Good luck with her! tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would call me :( I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos kitten, and of course she came with a fever. It was 104.0 the night I brought her home. I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so thankfully I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me to hold of on antibiotics because she has diarrhea. This was Tuesday night. Well by Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with me, the doc then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory and fever reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 am (last night) she spiked to 105.8!!! I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm. I put her to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night. This AM she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me. Obviously she has something else going on besides just a fever. I have a call in to my doc (again thank god I work there because its Sunday!) In the meantime I was just wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of fever...tips...anything? Also, at what temperature does there body "shut down" ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere. Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs of illness. Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer, Kristi
RE: Vitamin C questions
I get mine from vet, brand is RxVitamins for Pets Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Vitamin C questions not to butt in here but you can get Vitamin C in powder form? did I read that correctly? And its daily right? Thank you, kristi From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 07:40:47 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Vitamin C questions Hey there Del! Good point - absolutely, it can cause diarrhea in animals and in people. If so, you back off of the quantity a little, and keep doing that till no diarrhea. I take it regularly too, not Belfields though, I take Rainbow Light Powder. The bottle of Belfields Vit C has directions - but they're downstairs, and I can't remember what it says. But in general, I've always used about 200-500mg daily (if I can get disciplined enough to do daily). Start low, even lower than that if you wish, and build up. Dr. Belfield is the vet who says that he's had FELV+ cats go negative after several months of the Vit C therapy. Well my # of cats increased, and my discipline decreased, so I stopped the vitamin C to adjust myself for a while. Have to start it back up. Seems like it was Dr. Pitcairn's book that said, for upper respiratory infections, to give 250 mg Vit C, plus 250mg Lysine twice daily. I used to do that for Lucy, and it worked well - she died in 2001, I think. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Del Daniels wrote: I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats ... what is a starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and how gradual can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during an URI? Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Supplements - Grace Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html and click on the magazine link. He has links for products and that's where they are. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote: Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid was really unpleasant tasting? I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in. I do have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does. Can I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search on the Drs' names? Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of C with other nutrients. And ordered his B complex liquid- initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done that. I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it. Also ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis (sp). Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus lysine. Something helped, he got better. Gloria At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: What did you order, and what is it suppose to help with? N Gloria B. Lane wrote: Right, those are the sups I use, except I've ordered some laterly from Dr. Belfield. It gets hard to give lots of supplements, sometimes. Gloria At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria, Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis. I used to give it every day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10. Now I just add supplements periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom. Everyone's been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, stress formula. I'm out of Interferon A, I usually put them on that when they have symptoms too. I do have some VO in the box, I may start her on that. Nina
Re: Re: fever down!
well i just took it again and it was 100.8 so i think we beat it, the 2nd antibiotic must have done the trick, she hates it though, takes the others great. she is such an angel and has put up with everything with out a single complaint (accept the new med - flagyl-yuck)she's grooming and starting to look brighter, thank god. and thank all of you-i'll let you know how she's doing tomorrow...kristi From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 11:50:12 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fever down! When a fever 'breaks' it happens very quickly. Maybe the antibiotics kicked in? I hope the fever is really down and stays down! t [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: or maybe the thermometer is broken!!!??? I can't believe it her temp is 100.6She still feels hot though and is quiet- hopefully she's just weak from having a temp for so long, and she is SOOO thin. I can't find my other thermometer so I'll take it again in an hour- maybe I'll guinea pig on of my others to see what it says then...Its just suddenly so normal I can't believe it :)yeah From: catatonya Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 09:46:17 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: 6 week old kitten fever question I have no new ideas, but I hope your new kitten is feeling better. Trying to cool them as you have been doing is all I know. Good luck with her! tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all- sorry I been inactive lately just a reader I guess you would call me :( I have a slightly urgent question...I just adopted a 6-7week old felv pos kitten, and of course she came with a fever. It was 104.0 the night I brought her home. I don't know if you'all remember that I work at a vet so thankfully I was able to start her on SQ fluids right away, the doc told me to hold of on antibiotics because she has diarrhea. This was Tuesday night. Well by Thursday her fever had not broken and I brought her to work with me, the doc then started her on amoxicillin and meloxicam (an anti-inflammatory and fever reducer), her temp still has not broken and at 4 am (last night) she spiked to 105.8!!! I could not give her any further meds because she had them at 11pm. I put her to bed on a soft ice pack and slept with her the rest of the night. This AM she is down to 103.2, better but still too scary for me. Obviously she has something else going on besides just a fever. I have a call in to my doc (again thank god I work there because its Sunday!) In the meantime I was just wondering if anyone has any ideas...experience with this type of fever...tips...anything? Also, at what temperature does there body shut down ? I can't find any reference to when a high temp would be critical anywhere. Oh yeah she is eating and drinking on her own, and she has NO other signs of illness. Thank you so much in advance for anything anybody can offer, Kristi
Re: fever down!
Kristi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well i just took it again and it was 100.8 so i think we beat it, the 2nd antibiotic must have done the trick, she hates it though, takes the others great. she is such an angel and has put up with everything with out a single complaint (accept the new med - flagyl-yuck)she's grooming and starting to look brighter, thank god. and thank all of you-i'll let you know how she's doing tomorrow...kristi Flagyl (or also called Metronidazole) is exceptionally horrid tasting. Makes cats foam at the mouth and makes them fight taking it. I put the tablet in a #1 empty gel cap (by the box at Walmart Pharmacy) so that the pill does not touch the mouth. Or you can coat it with butter or lightly with velveeta and get it down fast to camouflage the taste. Just a couple of suggestions. So happy her fever is down. Sending healing positive thoughts and prayers for your new baby. -- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
