RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up
The saga continues with my sick cat Brumley. I don't know what to do any more. The conventional vet that saw him on Dec. 24 got the results back from the Toxoplasmosis test and is was neg. (I can't remember if I reported this info this site or not). So when the Toxo test came back neg, the vet totally reversed gears from the day before (when he said he didn't think it was FIP b/c Brumley only test pos. for high globulin and high protein, but not a corona virus, antibody, etc.). So he completely went back on that and said, basically, he thinks it's FIP b/c he has nothing else to go on and b/c Brumley is showing 2 of the 3 indicators of it (but still no wet indicators like the swollen belly). I think it's the eye that is really throwing him off and I can't for the love of god, get any vet to explain/diagnose/tell me what to with that eye. I have asked if I should be putting anything in it and both the conventional vet and my holistic vet just say no. So, I had a phone consult about Brumley with my holistic vet and she reviewed the blood work and said she doesn't think it's FIP- that a severely dehydrated cat will have high globulin and high protein in the blood panel. And the fact that is his neg. for corona- she just doesn't think it's FIP. She has of course treated FIP cats/kittens and had some herself and she told me she has NEVER seen the dry form of FIP in a kitten (Brum's 7 mths)-- only in older, adult cats does the dry form come out. She said she always sees it in kittens in the clear wet form with the swollen belly and other signs of fluid retention and then they die quickly. And Brum's been lingering on like this for a while now So, I just went about feeding him and making him comfy- moving him into the room with the other other guys (he'd already been exposed to them before I had him); stopped the subcu fluids b/c I didn't think he needs them. I guess it's been two weeks since then and he just kind of hangs out-- eats- he always eats good- no matter what. But about last week he seemed to lose some personality and he laid around a lot and stopped batting around toys. By this past Sun., my mom and I were discussing that he had gone down, down and we were worried. I don't have a thermometer for cats, but I could tell he had a fever and just felt crappy (altho he still eats and drinks water when feeling bad!). I gave him a fluid treatment- I thought his pink looked really white and thought it couldn't hurt. The fluid bump hung around forever tho? I got him in to see the holistic vet on Monday evening and my mom took him. The Dr. kind of laughed off my mom's concerns that Brumley was going to die and that his eye looked horrible. She told my mom she thinks he has something else going on besides the eye-- like some kind of infection somewhere else in the body, but she doesn't know where. So she wanted me to stop his Clavamox and try some other immune boosting things. Again, my mom asked about the eye and should we be putting anything in it to treat it, and the Dr. was just like no. So of course, Brum was better just the next day (Tues.) and I could tell the fever broke. He was batting around a toy the very next morning. Still eating great. But then by Wed. night, he was just sleeping the whole time in a cubby hole, seemed to have a fever again and not playing (still eating tho). So I thought, well maybe his holistic vet is right, he is working on fighting off some infection and when it gets too hard for his body to fight it, he succumbs a little bit and the fever comes back, etc. So, this morning, it's the same. Lots of sleeping and fever still around. Even worse, his eye looks worse. I swear, it looks like the cavity or something is filled with blood b.c the eye appears to be a diff't color than the other and you can see that it looks like blood behind the eye. So now, it looks bloodier and as if the blood has settled down to the bottom of the eye more- like it pooled there. And now, there are even more cloudy/greyish white spots on the surface of the eyeball. Ugh. I'm worried. But my mom is worse-- she's a worry-wart prone to histrionics and having these two sick/down cats (Brum and Possum) with her around, literally sucks my will to live. She just wants to keep running Brumley to vets b/c she thinks he needs something put into the eyeball and then she asks me how long can this go on (meaning how long do we give Brumley a chance to fight this off- which I now recall is the same GD thing my stupid sister said to me about Monkee after the blood transfusion...sigh). And it's just killing me- the stress. She totally makes it worse, so keeping her at bay is a draining task too. Plus, it's like, this isn't even my cat! He technically belongs to the no-kill group I vol for, yet I am the only one dealing with the stress of his care and illness It's only the other run-of-the-mill vols that
RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up
Caroline -- I wish I could offer some advice or insight, but I can't. Just hopes that you can get a handle on what's going on with Brumley and that he feels better soon. Is there a way you can ask your mother to step back and stop repeating stuff you've already talked about? ;-) Sorry the situation is causing you such stress and anger and frustration. You are Brumley's angel, and have given him comfort and peace in his chaotic little life. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up The saga continues with my sick cat Brumley. I don't know what to do any more. The conventional vet that saw him on Dec. 24 got the results back from the Toxoplasmosis test and is was neg. (I can't remember if I reported this info this site or not). So when the Toxo test came back neg, the vet totally reversed gears from the day before (when he said he didn't think it was FIP b/c Brumley only test pos. for high globulin and high protein, but not a corona virus, antibody, etc.). So he completely went back on that and said, basically, he thinks it's FIP b/c he has nothing else to go on and b/c Brumley is showing 2 of the 3 indicators of it (but still no wet indicators like the swollen belly). I think it's the eye that is really throwing him off and I can't for the love of god, get any vet to explain/diagnose/tell me what to with that eye. I have asked if I should be putting anything in it and both the conventional vet and my holistic vet just say no. So, I had a phone consult about Brumley with my holistic vet and she reviewed the blood work and said she doesn't think it's FIP- that a severely dehydrated cat will have high globulin and high protein in the blood panel. And the fact that is his neg. for corona- she just doesn't think it's FIP. She has of course treated FIP cats/kittens and had some herself and she told me she has NEVER seen the dry form of FIP in a kitten (Brum's 7 mths)-- only in older, adult cats does the dry form come out. She said she always sees it in kittens in the clear wet form with the swollen belly and other signs of fluid retention and then they die quickly. And Brum's been lingering on like this for a while now So, I just went about feeding him and making him comfy- moving him into the room with the other other guys (he'd already been exposed to them before I had him); stopped the subcu fluids b/c I didn't think he needs them. I guess it's been two weeks since then and he just kind of hangs out-- eats- he always eats good- no matter what. But about last week he seemed to lose some personality and he laid around a lot and stopped batting around toys. By this past Sun., my mom and I were discussing that he had gone down, down and we were worried. I don't have a thermometer for cats, but I could tell he had a fever and just felt crappy (altho he still eats and drinks water when feeling bad!). I gave him a fluid treatment- I thought his pink looked really white and thought it couldn't hurt. The fluid bump hung around forever tho? I got him in to see the holistic vet on Monday evening and my mom took him. The Dr. kind of laughed off my mom's concerns that Brumley was going to die and that his eye looked horrible. She told my mom she thinks he has something else going on besides the eye-- like some kind of infection somewhere else in the body, but she doesn't know where. So she wanted me to stop his Clavamox and try some other immune boosting things. Again, my mom asked about the eye and should we be putting anything in it to treat it, and the Dr. was just like no. So of course, Brum was better just the next day (Tues.) and I could tell the fever broke. He was batting around a toy the very next morning. Still eating great. But then by Wed. night, he was just sleeping the whole time in a cubby hole, seemed to have a fever again and not playing (still eating tho). So I thought, well maybe his holistic vet is right, he is working on fighting off some infection and when it gets too hard for his body to fight it, he succumbs a little bit and the fever comes back, etc. So, this morning, it's the same. Lots of sleeping and fever still around. Even worse, his eye looks worse. I swear, it looks like the cavity or something is filled with blood b.c the eye appears to be a diff't color than the other and you can see that it looks like blood behind the eye. So now, it looks bloodier and as if the blood has settled down to the bottom of the eye more- like it pooled there. And now, there are even more cloudy/greyish white spots on the surface of the eyeball. Ugh. I'm worried. But my mom is worse-- she's a worry-wart prone to histrionics and having these two sick/down cats (Brum and Possum) with her around, literally sucks my will to live. She just wants to keep running Brumley to
RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up
Caroline, altho I unfortunately won't be able to offer any diagnostic suggestions myself, if you can send the pic to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can try forwarding it to more experienced people. I can well imagine how frustrated you must be. Thank goodness the little soul can rely on *you* for care and love. hugs, Kerry _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up The saga continues with my sick cat Brumley. I don't know what to do any more. The conventional vet that saw him on Dec. 24 got the results back from the Toxoplasmosis test and is was neg. (I can't remember if I reported this info this site or not). So when the Toxo test came back neg, the vet totally reversed gears from the day before (when he said he didn't think it was FIP b/c Brumley only test pos. for high globulin and high protein, but not a corona virus, antibody, etc.). So he completely went back on that and said, basically, he thinks it's FIP b/c he has nothing else to go on and b/c Brumley is showing 2 of the 3 indicators of it (but still no wet indicators like the swollen belly). I think it's the eye that is really throwing him off and I can't for the love of god, get any vet to explain/diagnose/tell me what to with that eye. I have asked if I should be putting anything in it and both the conventional vet and my holistic vet just say no. So, I had a phone consult about Brumley with my holistic vet and she reviewed the blood work and said she doesn't think it's FIP- that a severely dehydrated cat will have high globulin and high protein in the blood panel. And the fact that is his neg. for corona- she just doesn't think it's FIP. She has of course treated FIP cats/kittens and had some herself and she told me she has NEVER seen the dry form of FIP in a kitten (Brum's 7 mths)-- only in older, adult cats does the dry form come out. She said she always sees it in kittens in the clear wet form with the swollen belly and other signs of fluid retention and then they die quickly. And Brum's been lingering on like this for a while now So, I just went about feeding him and making him comfy- moving him into the room with the other other guys (he'd already been exposed to them before I had him); stopped the subcu fluids b/c I didn't think he needs them. I guess it's been two weeks since then and he just kind of hangs out-- eats- he always eats good- no matter what. But about last week he seemed to lose some personality and he laid around a lot and stopped batting around toys. By this past Sun., my mom and I were discussing that he had gone down, down and we were worried. I don't have a thermometer for cats, but I could tell he had a fever and just felt crappy (altho he still eats and drinks water when feeling bad!). I gave him a fluid treatment- I thought his pink looked really white and thought it couldn't hurt. The fluid bump hung around forever tho? I got him in to see the holistic vet on Monday evening and my mom took him. The Dr. kind of laughed off my mom's concerns that Brumley was going to die and that his eye looked horrible. She told my mom she thinks he has something else going on besides the eye-- like some kind of infection somewhere else in the body, but she doesn't know where. So she wanted me to stop his Clavamox and try some other immune boosting things. Again, my mom asked about the eye and should we be putting anything in it to treat it, and the Dr. was just like no. So of course, Brum was better just the next day (Tues.) and I could tell the fever broke. He was batting around a toy the very next morning. Still eating great. But then by Wed. night, he was just sleeping the whole time in a cubby hole, seemed to have a fever again and not playing (still eating tho). So I thought, well maybe his holistic vet is right, he is working on fighting off some infection and when it gets too hard for his body to fight it, he succumbs a little bit and the fever comes back, etc. So, this morning, it's the same. Lots of sleeping and fever still around. Even worse, his eye looks worse. I swear, it looks like the cavity or something is filled with blood b.c the eye appears to be a diff't color than the other and you can see that it looks like blood behind the eye. So now, it looks bloodier and as if the blood has settled down to the bottom of the eye more- like it pooled there. And now, there are even more cloudy/greyish white spots on the surface of the eyeball. Ugh. I'm worried. But my mom is worse-- she's a worry-wart prone to histrionics and having these two sick/down cats (Brum and Possum) with her around, literally sucks my will to live. She just wants to keep running Brumley to vets b/c she thinks he needs something put into the eyeball and then she asks me how long can this go on (meaning how long do we give Brumley a chance to fight
RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up
Thanks- I will do so tonight when I get home. I did talk with the holistic vet again and she said when she saw the eye, she thought it reminded her of the scarring that can occur on a kitten's eye from reoccurring/untreated URI's-- all of which he did have, that came and went repeatedly, while the poor thing lingered in a condo and I just didn't get to him fast enough (b/c there were other kittens at the time languishing with things that seemed more serious that I needed to take in 1st). So, I understand now why she didn't think we needed to put anything in it- b/c she thought it was permanent damage (which is what I was hoping I would be in time to stop/prevent). She said if it was scarring like she initially thought, I wouldn't be seeing more cloudy spots. So she asked if he was having discharge and told me what to give him based on that. But he really doesn't have a discharge other than crusty brown that he has from both eyes (the healthy one too). He does not have green/yellow/white discharge, or even excessive brown discharge from this eye. So I asked her a follow-up ? based on that and I'm waiting to hear back. I have to give his eye a good look tonight and try to really determine if things have changed with it. He so squirmy with me right now. He looks like a sack of bones and yet, he's so strong when he wants to squirm away. And he definitely doesn't see me as his angel because he runs away from me everytime he sees me! He thinks of me as the treatment monster! caroline Subject: RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-upDate: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:32:43 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Caroline, altho I unfortunately won't be able to offer any diagnostic suggestions myself, if you can send the pic to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can try forwarding it to more experienced people. I can well imagine how frustrated you must be. Thank goodness the little soul can rely on *you* for care and love. hugs, Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline KaufmannSent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:31 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up The saga continues with my sick cat Brumley. I don't know what to do any more. The conventional vet that saw him on Dec. 24 got the results back from the Toxoplasmosis test and is was neg. (I can't remember if I reported this info this site or not). So when the Toxo test came back neg, the vet totally reversed gears from the day before (when he said he didn't think it was FIP b/c Brumley only test pos. for high globulin and high protein, but not a corona virus, antibody, etc.). So he completely went back on that and said, basically, he thinks it's FIP b/c he has nothing else to go on and b/c Brumley is showing 2 of the 3 indicators of it (but still no wet indicators like the swollen belly). I think it's the eye that is really throwing him off and I can't for the love of god, get any vet to explain/diagnose/tell me what to with that eye. I have asked if I should be putting anything in it and both the conventional vet and my holistic vet just say no. So, I had a phone consult about Brumley with my holistic vet and she reviewed the blood work and said she doesn't think it's FIP- that a severely dehydrated cat will have high globulin and high protein in the blood panel. And the fact that is his neg. for corona- she just doesn't think it's FIP. She has of course treated FIP cats/kittens and had some herself and she told me she has NEVER seen the dry form of FIP in a kitten (Brum's 7 mths)-- only in older, adult cats does the dry form come out. She said she always sees it in kittens in the clear wet form with the swollen belly and other signs of fluid retention and then they die quickly. And Brum's been lingering on like this for a while now So, I just went about feeding him and making him comfy- moving him into the room with the other other guys (he'd already been exposed to them before I had him); stopped the subcu fluids b/c I didn't think he needs them. I guess it's been two weeks since then and he just kind of hangs out-- eats- he always eats good- no matter what. But about last week he seemed to lose some personality and he laid around a lot and stopped batting around toys. By this past Sun., my mom and I were discussing that he had gone down, down and we were worried. I don't have a thermometer for cats, but I could tell he had a fever and just felt crappy (altho he still eats and drinks water when feeling bad!). I gave him a fluid treatment- I thought his pink looked really white and thought it couldn't hurt. The fluid bump hung around forever tho? I got him in to see the holistic vet on Monday evening and my mom took him. The Dr. kind of laughed off my mom's concerns that Brumley was going to die and that his eye looked horrible. She told my mom she thinks he has something else going on besides the
RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up
Okay. I know that no one can diagnosis- but just to have people compare/contrast/confirm, that might be helpful. His Holistic vet seems to think it's scarring- permanent damage from untreated uri's- which I have never seen in a cat before. So if more experienced people that have seen that and can say one way or the other, it MIGHT* make me feel better (not about him having permanent eye damage :( , but more so that, yeah, it doesn't look like FIP)? ck Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:35:29 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-upCaroline,I am not a vet but if it will make you feel any better I'll look at it. On Jan 10, 2008 12:30 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The saga continues with my sick cat Brumley. I don't know what to do any more. The conventional vet that saw him on Dec. 24 got the results back from the Toxoplasmosis test and is was neg. (I can't remember if I reported this info this site or not). So when the Toxo test came back neg, the vet totally reversed gears from the day before (when he said he didn't think it was FIP b/c Brumley only test pos. for high globulin and high protein, but not a corona virus, antibody, etc.). So he completely went back on that and said, basically, he thinks it's FIP b/c he has nothing else to go on and b/c Brumley is showing 2 of the 3 indicators of it (but still no wet indicators like the swollen belly). I think it's the eye that is really throwing him off and I can't for the love of god, get any vet to explain/diagnose/tell me what to with that eye. I have asked if I should be putting anything in it and both the conventional vet and my holistic vet just say no. So, I had a phone consult about Brumley with my holistic vet and she reviewed the blood work and said she doesn't think it's FIP- that a severely dehydrated cat will have high globulin and high protein in the blood panel. And the fact that is his neg. for corona- she just doesn't think it's FIP. She has of course treated FIP cats/kittens and had some herself and she told me she has NEVER seen the dry form of FIP in a kitten (Brum's 7 mths)-- only in older, adult cats does the dry form come out. She said she always sees it in kittens in the clear wet form with the swollen belly and other signs of fluid retention and then they die quickly. And Brum's been lingering on like this for a while now So, I just went about feeding him and making him comfy- moving him into the room with the other other guys (he'd already been exposed to them before I had him); stopped the subcu fluids b/c I didn't think he needs them. I guess it's been two weeks since then and he just kind of hangs out-- eats- he always eats good- no matter what. But about last week he seemed to lose some personality and he laid around a lot and stopped batting around toys. By this past Sun., my mom and I were discussing that he had gone down, down and we were worried. I don't have a thermometer for cats, but I could tell he had a fever and just felt crappy (altho he still eats and drinks water when feeling bad!). I gave him a fluid treatment- I thought his pink looked really white and thought it couldn't hurt. The fluid bump hung around forever tho? I got him in to see the holistic vet on Monday evening and my mom took him. The Dr. kind of laughed off my mom's concerns that Brumley was going to die and that his eye looked horrible. She told my mom she thinks he has something else going on besides the eye-- like some kind of infection somewhere else in the body, but she doesn't know where. So she wanted me to stop his Clavamox and try some other immune boosting things. Again, my mom asked about the eye and should we be putting anything in it to treat it, and the Dr. was just like no. So of course, Brum was better just the next day (Tues.) and I could tell the fever broke. He was batting around a toy the very next morning. Still eating great. But then by Wed. night, he was just sleeping the whole time in a cubby hole, seemed to have a fever again and not playing (still eating tho). So I thought, well maybe his holistic vet is right, he is working on fighting off some infection and when it gets too hard for his body to fight it, he succumbs a little bit and the fever comes back, etc. So, this morning, it's the same. Lots of sleeping and fever still around. Even worse, his eye looks worse. I swear, it looks like the cavity or something is filled with blood b.c the eye appears to be a diff't color than the other and you can see that it looks like blood behind the eye. So now, it looks bloodier and as if the blood has settled down to the bottom of the eye more- like it pooled there. And now, there are even more cloudy/greyish white spots on the surface of the eyeball. Ugh. I'm worried. But my mom is worse-- she's a worry-wart prone to histrionics and having these two sick/down cats (Brum and
Re: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up
I would be gladl to send the picture to my vet - my email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:46 PM Subject: RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up Thanks- I will do so tonight when I get home. I did talk with the holistic vet again and she said when she saw the eye, she thought it reminded her of the scarring that can occur on a kitten's eye from reoccurring/untreated URI's-- all of which he did have, that came and went repeatedly, while the poor thing lingered in a condo and I just didn't get to him fast enough (b/c there were other kittens at the time languishing with things that seemed more serious that I needed to take in 1st). So, I understand now why she didn't think we needed to put anything in it- b/c she thought it was permanent damage (which is what I was hoping I would be in time to stop/prevent). She said if it was scarring like she initially thought, I wouldn't be seeing more cloudy spots. So she asked if he was having discharge and told me what to give him based on that. But he really doesn't have a discharge other than crusty brown that he has from both eyes (the healthy one too). He does not have green/yellow/white discharge, or even excessive brown discharge from this eye. So I asked her a follow-up ? based on that and I'm waiting to hear back. I have to give his eye a good look tonight and try to really determine if things have changed with it. He so squirmy with me right now. He looks like a sack of bones and yet, he's so strong when he wants to squirm away. And he definitely doesn't see me as his angel because he runs away from me everytime he sees me! He thinks of me as the treatment monster! caroline Subject: RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:32:43 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Caroline, altho I unfortunately won't be able to offer any diagnostic suggestions myself, if you can send the pic to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can try forwarding it to more experienced people. I can well imagine how frustrated you must be. Thank goodness the little soul can rely on *you* for care and love. hugs, Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up The saga continues with my sick cat Brumley. I don't know what to do any more. The conventional vet that saw him on Dec. 24 got the results back from the Toxoplasmosis test and is was neg. (I can't remember if I reported this info this site or not). So when the Toxo test came back neg, the vet totally reversed gears from the day before (when he said he didn't think it was FIP b/c Brumley only test pos. for high globulin and high protein, but not a corona virus, antibody, etc.). So he completely went back on that and said, basically, he thinks it's FIP b/c he has nothing else to go on and b/c Brumley is showing 2 of the 3 indicators of it (but still no wet indicators like the swollen belly). I think it's the eye that is really throwing him off and I can't for the love of god, get any vet to explain/diagnose/tell me what to with that eye. I have asked if I should be putting anything in it and both the conventional vet and my holistic vet just say no. So, I had a phone consult about Brumley with my holistic vet and she reviewed the blood work and said she doesn't think it's FIP- that a severely dehydrated cat will have high globulin and high protein in the blood panel. And the fact that is his neg. for corona- she just doesn't think it's FIP. She has of course treated FIP cats/kittens and had some herself and she told me she has NEVER seen the dry form of FIP in a kitten (Brum's 7 mths)-- only in older, adult cats does the dry form come out. She said she always sees it in kittens in the clear wet form with the swollen belly and other signs of fluid retention and then they die quickly. And Brum's been lingering on like this for a while now So, I just went about feeding him and making him comfy- moving him into the room with the other other guys (he'd already been exposed to them before I had him); stopped the subcu fluids b/c I didn't think he needs them. I guess it's been two weeks since then and he just kind of hangs out-- eats- he always eats good- no matter what. But about last week he seemed to lose some personality and he laid around a lot and stopped batting around toys. By this past Sun., my mom and I were discussing that he had gone down, down and we were worried. I don't have a thermometer for cats, but I
RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up
Ah, but you *are* his angel, whether he realizes or not. It's such a blessing this little furball met you, Caroline. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up Thanks- I will do so tonight when I get home. I did talk with the holistic vet again and she said when she saw the eye, she thought it reminded her of the scarring that can occur on a kitten's eye from reoccurring/untreated URI's-- all of which he did have, that came and went repeatedly, while the poor thing lingered in a condo and I just didn't get to him fast enough (b/c there were other kittens at the time languishing with things that seemed more serious that I needed to take in 1st). So, I understand now why she didn't think we needed to put anything in it- b/c she thought it was permanent damage (which is what I was hoping I would be in time to stop/prevent). She said if it was scarring like she initially thought, I wouldn't be seeing more cloudy spots. So she asked if he was having discharge and told me what to give him based on that. But he really doesn't have a discharge other than crusty brown that he has from both eyes (the healthy one too). He does not have green/yellow/white discharge, or even excessive brown discharge from this eye. So I asked her a follow-up ? based on that and I'm waiting to hear back. I have to give his eye a good look tonight and try to really determine if things have changed with it. He so squirmy with me right now. He looks like a sack of bones and yet, he's so strong when he wants to squirm away. And he definitely doesn't see me as his angel because he runs away from me everytime he sees me! He thinks of me as the treatment monster! caroline _ Subject: RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:32:43 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Caroline, altho I unfortunately won't be able to offer any diagnostic suggestions myself, if you can send the pic to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can try forwarding it to more experienced people. I can well imagine how frustrated you must be. Thank goodness the little soul can rely on *you* for care and love. hugs, Kerry _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up The saga continues with my sick cat Brumley. I don't know what to do any more. The conventional vet that saw him on Dec. 24 got the results back from the Toxoplasmosis test and is was neg. (I can't remember if I reported this info this site or not). So when the Toxo test came back neg, the vet totally reversed gears from the day before (when he said he didn't think it was FIP b/c Brumley only test pos. for high globulin and high protein, but not a corona virus, antibody, etc.). So he completely went back on that and said, basically, he thinks it's FIP b/c he has nothing else to go on and b/c Brumley is showing 2 of the 3 indicators of it (but still no wet indicators like the swollen belly). I think it's the eye that is really throwing him off and I can't for the love of god, get any vet to explain/diagnose/tell me what to with that eye. I have asked if I should be putting anything in it and both the conventional vet and my holistic vet just say no. So, I had a phone consult about Brumley with my holistic vet and she reviewed the blood work and said she doesn't think it's FIP- that a severely dehydrated cat will have high globulin and high protein in the blood panel. And the fact that is his neg. for corona- she just doesn't think it's FIP. She has of course treated FIP cats/kittens and had some herself and she told me she has NEVER seen the dry form of FIP in a kitten (Brum's 7 mths)-- only in older, adult cats does the dry form come out. She said she always sees it in kittens in the clear wet form with the swollen belly and other signs of fluid retention and then they die quickly. And Brum's been lingering on like this for a while now So, I just went about feeding him and making him comfy- moving him into the room with the other other guys (he'd already been exposed to them before I had him); stopped the subcu fluids b/c I didn't think he needs them. I guess it's been two weeks since then and he just kind of hangs out-- eats- he always eats good- no matter what. But about last week he seemed to lose some personality and he laid around a lot and stopped batting around toys. By this past Sun., my mom and I were discussing that he had gone down, down and we were worried. I don't have a thermometer for cats, but I could tell he had a fever and
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They can also get permanent damage from ulcers ... did the vet do a corneal stain to see if the eye was ulcerated? On Jan 10, 2008 3:45 PM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I have seen permanent damage from untreated (or even treated URIs). Clarissa, a white Persian in our rescue, has one eye that is almost entirely white. On Jan 10, 2008 3:41 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay. I know that no one can diagnosis- but just to have people compare/contrast/confirm, that might be helpful. His Holistic vet seems to think it's scarring- permanent damage from untreated uri's- which I have never seen in a cat before. So if more experienced people that have seen that and can say one way or the other, it MIGHT* make me feel better (not about him having permanent eye damage :( , but more so that, yeah, it doesn't look like FIP)? ck -- Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:35:29 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up Caroline, I am not a vet but if it will make you feel any better I'll look at it. On Jan 10, 2008 12:30 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The saga continues with my sick cat Brumley. I don't know what to do any more. The conventional vet that saw him on Dec. 24 got the results back from the Toxoplasmosis test and is was neg. (I can't remember if I reported this info this site or not). So when the Toxo test came back neg, the vet totally reversed gears from the day before (when he said he didn't think it was FIP b/c Brumley only test pos. for high globulin and high protein, but not a corona virus, antibody, etc.). So he completely went back on that and said, basically, he thinks it's FIP b/c he has nothing else to go on and b/c Brumley is showing 2 of the 3 indicators of it (but still no wet indicators like the swollen belly). I think it's the eye that is really throwing him off and I can't for the love of god, get any vet to explain/diagnose/tell me what to with that eye. I have asked if I should be putting anything in it and both the conventional vet and my holistic vet just say no. So, I had a phone consult about Brumley with my holistic vet and she reviewed the blood work and said she doesn't think it's FIP- that a severely dehydrated cat will have high globulin and high protein in the blood panel. And the fact that is his neg. for corona- she just doesn't think it's FIP. She has of course treated FIP cats/kittens and had some herself and she told me she has NEVER seen the dry form of FIP in a kitten (Brum's 7 mths)-- only in older, adult cats does the dry form come out. She said she always sees it in kittens in the clear wet form with the swollen belly and other signs of fluid retention and then they die quickly. And Brum's been lingering on like this for a while now So, I just went about feeding him and making him comfy- moving him into the room with the other other guys (he'd already been exposed to them before I had him); stopped the subcu fluids b/c I didn't think he needs them. I guess it's been two weeks since then and he just kind of hangs out-- eats- he always eats good- no matter what. But about last week he seemed to lose some personality and he laid around a lot and stopped batting around toys. By this past Sun., my mom and I were discussing that he had gone down, down and we were worried. I don't have a thermometer for cats, but I could tell he had a fever and just felt crappy (altho he still eats and drinks water when feeling bad!). I gave him a fluid treatment- I thought his pink looked really white and thought it couldn't hurt. The fluid bump hung around forever tho? I got him in to see the holistic vet on Monday evening and my mom took him. *The Dr. kind of laughed off my mom's concerns that Brumley was going to die and that his eye looked horrible. She told my mom she thinks he has something else going on besides the eye-- like some kind of infection somewhere else in the body, but she doesn't know where. *So she wanted me to stop his Clavamox and try some other immune boosting things. Again, my mom asked about the eye and should we be putting anything in it to treat it, and the Dr. was just like no. So of course, Brum was better just the next day (Tues.) and I could tell the fever broke. He was batting around a toy the very next morning. Still eating great. But then by Wed. night, he was just sleeping the whole time in a cubby hole, seemed to have a fever again and not playing (still eating tho). So I thought, well maybe his holistic vet is right, he is working on fighting off some infection and when it gets too hard for his body to fight it, he succumbs a little bit and the fever comes back, etc. So, this morning, it's the same. Lots of sleeping and fever
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Ask your holistic vet about a referral for yourself to someone who does people holistic medicine. You need a break. Re your motherthat is a mother thing. Trust me. If they can't find something to worry about they find something. I don't know who you have for a regular vet but Drs. Koehler and Bishop at Middletown Animal Clinic are the most open, honest, knowledgeable guys I know and, best of all, if they don't know they will tell you. Dixie Louise has them as her regular vets even though it is a 2 1/2 hour drive one way. I have known Dr. Koehler since (about) 1983, Dr. Bishop and he formed a partnership not to much longer. They have been wonderful with all my critters and I can't imagine life without themor without your holistic vet or Dr. Betty Boswell. If you are limited to regular vets because of Brumley's situation, try them. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: Re: OT: sick 6 mo kitten follow-up Caroline, I am not a vet but if it will make you feel any better I'll look at it. On Jan 10, 2008 12:30 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The saga continues with my sick cat Brumley. I don't know what to do any more. The conventional vet that saw him on Dec. 24 got the results back from the Toxoplasmosis test and is was neg. (I can't remember if I reported this info this site or not). So when the Toxo test came back neg, the vet totally reversed gears from the day before (when he said he didn't think it was FIP b/c Brumley only test pos. for high globulin and high protein, but not a corona virus, antibody, etc.). So he completely went back on that and said, basically, he thinks it's FIP b/c he has nothing else to go on and b/c Brumley is showing 2 of the 3 indicators of it (but still no wet indicators like the swollen belly). I think it's the eye that is really throwing him off and I can't for the love of god, get any vet to explain/diagnose/tell me what to with that eye. I have asked if I should be putting anything in it and both the conventional vet and my holistic vet just say no. So, I had a phone consult about Brumley with my holistic vet and she reviewed the blood work and said she doesn't think it's FIP- that a severely dehydrated cat will have high globulin and high protein in the blood panel. And the fact that is his neg. for corona- she just doesn't think it's FIP. She has of course treated FIP cats/kittens and had some herself and she told me she has NEVER seen the dry form of FIP in a kitten (Brum's 7 mths)-- only in older, adult cats does the dry form come out. She said she always sees it in kittens in the clear wet form with the swollen belly and other signs of fluid retention and then they die quickly. And Brum's been lingering on like this for a while now So, I just went about feeding him and making him comfy- moving him into the room with the other other guys (he'd already been exposed to them before I had him); stopped the subcu fluids b/c I didn't think he needs them. I guess it's been two weeks since then and he just kind of hangs out-- eats- he always eats good- no matter what. But about last week he seemed to lose some personality and he laid around a lot and stopped batting around toys. By this past Sun., my mom and I were discussing that he had gone down, down and we were worried. I don't have a thermometer for cats, but I could tell he had a fever and just felt crappy (altho he still eats and drinks water when feeling bad!). I gave him a fluid treatment- I thought his pink looked really white and thought it couldn't hurt. The fluid bump hung around forever tho? I got him in to see the holistic vet on Monday evening and my mom took him. The Dr. kind of laughed off my mom's concerns that Brumley was going to die and that his eye looked horrible. She told my mom she thinks he has something else going on besides the eye-- like some kind of infection somewhere else in the body, but she doesn't know where. So she wanted me to stop his Clavamox and try some other immune boosting things. Again, my mom asked about the eye and should we be putting anything in it to treat it, and the Dr. was just like no. So of course, Brum was better just the next day (Tues.) and I could tell the fever broke. He was batting around a toy the very next morning. Still eating great. But then by Wed. night, he was just sleeping the whole time in a cubby hole,
A Day to Celebrate!!!
My two youngest, Mack and Monty, turn 4 years old today!!! Monty was diagnosed with FeLV+ when he was just 9 months old and my vet at the time wanted me to put him to sleep because he wouldn’t make it. Thankfully I wanted a second opinion and a year after his diagnosis he tested negative for FeLV+! And today he is 4 years old and healthy!!! Chris No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM
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happy dance! thanks for sharing! - Original Message - From: Chris Behnke To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: A Day to Celebrate!!! My two youngest, Mack and Monty, turn 4 years old today!!! Monty was diagnosed with FeLV+ when he was just 9 months old and my vet at the time wanted me to put him to sleep because he wouldn’t make it. Thankfully I wanted a second opinion and a year after his diagnosis he tested negative for FeLV+! And today he is 4 years old and healthy!!! Chris No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM
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Caroline, we had a kitty with an apparent eye problem that the vet thought was a dental problem. I don't want to scare you...but wondering if the vet has ruled out cancer? Laurie
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Hi Chris That is great news. Sally On Jan 10, 2008 9:16 PM, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is Awesome Chris!!! *Chris Behnke [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: My two youngest, Mack and Monty, turn 4 years old today!!! Monty was diagnosed with FeLV+ when he was just 9 months old and my vet at the time wanted me to put him to sleep because he wouldn't make it. Thankfully I wanted a second opinion and a year after his diagnosis he tested negative for FeLV+! And today he is 4 years old and healthy!!! Chris No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: A Day to Celebrate!!!
What a wonderful story. Congratulations to all of you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Chris Behnke To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: A Day to Celebrate!!! My two youngest, Mack and Monty, turn 4 years old today!!! Monty was diagnosed with FeLV+ when he was just 9 months old and my vet at the time wanted me to put him to sleep because he wouldn’t make it. Thankfully I wanted a second opinion and a year after his diagnosis he tested negative for FeLV+! And today he is 4 years old and healthy!!! Chris No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM
