RE: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 38, Issue 1
Hi Karen, I'm sorry that I missed you. I ordered the Transfer Factor and used your distributor number. Thank you so much. I haven't called you this weekend because I'm working the weekend 12 1/2 hr day shifts with a long commute. I will call you Monday evening if that's okay with you. I have many questions that you may be able to help me with. Thank you for the gracious offer. El _
Re: + - cats together
Be careful opening windows. Cats can push the screens right out and escape! tonya Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try bird feeders near the window and a window perch. Cats can bat balls and toys even on carpet. A nice box to hide in would be great. I had two cats who loved the Catnip (I think that is the title) tape (birds, squirrels etc) even though they had a 12x6x6 covered kennel with 24/7 access. Lots of personal time with you too.maybe a tv or radio to listen to part of the time (not all of the time--it becomes noise then). Dixie has three pans (goat food size rubber pans) on dollies with grass and capnip growing in them. She can get into the pans and roll in the grass and catnip and have a ball (she has three because she wears them down and they need time to refresh). A warm place to snuggle, maybe with a snuggle safe. Ideas.take what works for you and for Amond. On Feb 17, 2008, at 9:18 PM, Lance wrote: I think most cats play best with interactive toys. Ember loves the Cat Charmer, and while we haven't played with it in awhile, she liked the Cat Dancer, too. I also have a few pieces of elastic material that my mom gave me, and those work. A cat condo with a view is a great idea. Lance On Feb 17, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Dorothy, Thank you for telling about Armond. I guess that answers my question - they can be infected even with the vaccination. That is too much risk for me and my original cats. If one of them got sick I would feel horrible! I don't want to get another FeLV+ cat, it seems like that would just double the trouble, and both of them in this small room. The best I can do is make this as a place as possible for him. I already have one of those donuts with a ball inside, a soft square he can hide in and various other cat toys. I think I will replace the chair by the window with a cat condo. Any suggestions for making room sweet room a fun place for Buzz to be? The floor is carpeted, so things that roll across the floor don't work. Sue - Original Message - From: Dorothy Noble To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 1:34 PM Subject: + - cats together To Sue Frank ~ I absolutely understand about you wanting Buzz to be with the others. It is so tough to have them separated. We brought in a stray a year ago and did not have her tested (but we did have her vaccinated). Anyway, she was positive and exposed our others. Armond caught the virus but my other cat did not. All of my animals were always vaccinated. Based on my experience, I would not mix them. I have had Armond since he was 4 weeks old, he has had all of his shots and he still tested positive from being with the other positive cat. We just adopted another FeLV positive cat so Armond could have a friend and we had a special house built for them. It works out great. Dorothy - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: + - cats together
I truly believe this. My semi feral was chasing another cat around the house. They were making such a racket I went to break it up. I found Gray and White (I did not name her) had hung herself on my apron. SHe was going limp which helped me free her. She was fine but would not have been had I not see her. Sally
Re: Holistic Vets
I'm chiming in so late here, but I hope Boo is hanging in there. Has nothing been said of the possibility of fip with the fluid, etc? tonya Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry, when the vet first told us of his prognosis and offered euthanization before we bonded too much with him, I told him, I don't believe in putting individuals suffering with the AIDS virus down so why would I want to do this to a seemingly well animal. He thought that was pretty funny and then agreed to do what we could to treat problems as they arise. I suppose the majority of people who discover this about their pets do imagine the worse and want to get over it quickly. I really like this vet on a personal level. He seems very compassionate but like I told my husband last night, everything we've done so far has come from us, not him. I am not a vet, I shouldn't have to suggest blood work, antibiotics, lasix and fluid aspiration. If I hadn't joined this group, BooBoo would be in the ground right now. And yes, I don't care how frozen the ground is, or what kind of contageous disease he has, he will be buried next to my dearly beloved Chuck in a garden I have with forget-me-not and bleeding heart flowers in it. Lynne - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: RE: Holistic Vets I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer. It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak! I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former family. I hope they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in their care. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Thank you Jane. I think of all our members and what they are experiencing as well. I think it makes us all better people and caregivers. Honestly I think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed that we consider euthanasia. It would have been far harder on me if I had not given him a fighting chance. I still will not let him suffer and if there is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge. My husband has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with him because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that they should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of their neglect/stupidity. So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's been through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the nasty details including the financial impact. I'm not as kind as my husband is and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me. I ended my email by saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you won't have to experience this agony. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Lynne I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the both of you. He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love feels like. Take care of yourself. Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote: Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended something called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has now told me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've decided that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep comfortable. I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the culture comes back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a really nice guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want to do anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose about the expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just euthanize, which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested in dogs than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and they are causing problems. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Koren To: FeLV Talk Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Holistic Vets Hi, All - First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I had a cat who had fluid removed
Re: FeLV Vaccination
i'm taking offense these days to anything that's a choice for ignorance--all the calls and emails from folks with vets who should have the initials stripped from their names. i think of the people who write us because they're heard that some of us keep positives and negatives--and thing of all the folks who do NOT have a group like us, and how many cats won't leave their vet's office because they don't realize that they are NOT getting good advice. i'm not at all anti-vet, as most people know, i'm against vets who don't take the time to remember that we're the consumers. i'm taking in a little CH cat in a week or so, and not a lot was known about her vetting. i told the folks who have her (she was dropped out at a groomer with a, you find her a home or we'll just have her euthanized) to make sure she had a FeLV shot, and to get a booster shot from the vet for me, and i'd keep her in the foster room til it was time for it, and long enough for it to take effect.. her vet didn't bat an eyelash knowing she was going to a felv home, and they decided they'd keep her until the booster and then bring her. it SHOULD be that matter-of-fact. and maybe it just has to do with the veterinary-malpractice blog i just read the other day, and thinking of how much we don't question because we want to think the best i'll go eat worms now. low-carb, high-fibre, sugar-free, boring ones. vets can and should be wonderful resources, On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I first took my gang in for testing(. I already knew I had a positive and all were exposed. ) he told me a story about a client's that cat tested positive and lived twelve years after that. As Far as I know a healthy 12 yrs. The cat was retested every couple yrs and was always positive. Although he is not cutting edge, he was not going to discourage treatment either. He was totally in agreement to try the immunoregulin. His partner is the one who actually treated Junior. She has been great as well. I think I have helped educate her. She is fairly young so will be practicing a long time. She knows I mix my cat's and the reason why. I think it is less strssful to Junior. One downside is that. The newest kitten, who was dropped on me last fall, has yet another cold, and I tried to keep him away from Junior but junior caught it from him. JJ has had all his vaccinations. Sally -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: l-lysine
lysine is such a good thing that one of the california vet assns a few years back recommended that ALL cats, symptomatic or not, be on it. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no need to give tablets, so definitely, don't put your cat thru that. Key for an asymptomatic Felv+ cat is to keep stress at a minimum so always keep that in mind- you don't want the treatment- in an attempt to keep your cat symptom-free- to be worse than no treatment at all!! L-Lysine in powder form is readily available at health food stores like Whole Foods. *Get it from a health food store because you want to make sure you get Preservative-free L-Lysine-- no added substances- which can be especially dangerous for cats*. This is pretty routine at a health food store, but still read the packaging to be SURE it says Preservative Free. I buy a container of free-form powder. It has a tiny scooper and you just sprinkle it on top of canned food and mix in a little. Cats don't even know it's there. Or, get capsules- usually in 500 mgs- and open the capsule and sprinkle the powder on the food. I give about 250 mg a day per cat- it's not an exact science tho. If you are giving to multiple cats, split the 500 mg capsule between all of them. If feeding one, use part of the capsule, close it back together, and use the remainder the next day. I have used both the free-form powder and capsules filled with powder. Also, some health food stores do have L-Lysine in a liquid dropper form that you can add to food; however, I don't like this as much because usually other things are added to the concoction like Shitake extract, etc- things I am not sure are safe for cats- plus the dosing is off a lot because 1 dropper doesn't equal any easily identifiable mgs b/c it's a liquid- so I would avoid that route (altho it looks tempting). The easiest for me is the container of free-form powder. Also, your vet may have a product called Viralysis that is a liquid/jelly-like L-Lysine, so you can get it from the vet. I have used this also and you measure it with a teaspoon and add to wet food. I don't know if it is any better/worse than just getting it from the health food store and I have used it sometimes only because I get it free from vets through the foster care I do for a no-kill agency. L-Lysine is a natural combatant of the feline herpes virus- one of the bazillion culprits that can cause reoccurring upper respiratory infections in cats, as well as the actual herpes ulcerations (sometimes they form on the actual cat's eye). * But if your cat is not having ulcers, don't get too hung up on whether it's herpes or not and just go ahead and start the L-Lysine. It's a wonderful supplement and great for all around immune boosting and every Felv+ cat should be on it*. I have no Felv+ cats and mine are still on it anyway in an attempt to keep their immune systems healthy and URIs at bay. I take it myself everyday (that's why the free form powder or capsules are good b/c then my cats and I share it!). You should also get your cat started on Colostrum for immune support- VITAL for an Felv+ cat. Comes in free-form powder and capsules also. The best is the New Zealand Colostrum that is all-natural and comes from NZ cows-- NO PRESERVATIVES-- again, make sure it's Preservative Free. You can probably order NZ Colostrum online, but don't quote me. I get mine from a Holistic Veterinarian (it should be pretty routine for all Holistic vets to have this is stock), so you could get it that way. Last resort is to just get it at a health food store like Whole Foods. I don't think they carry the NZ brand which is the best, but as long as it's Preservative Free, it's better than no colostrum at all. I also take this myself! You can follow the same dosing as the L-Lysine for Colostrum- again, not an exact science, but that is how my Holistic Vet said to do it- 250 per cat, or a 500 MG cap split between all fosters. For a symptomatic Felv+ cat, you can increase colostrum per day significantly to 500 mg/day. Hope this helps! caroline -- Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 09:03:52 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: l-lysine I've been looking into l-lysine to start giving to Athena - from what I've read, it would help. She's periodically got slightly runny eyes (like just eye boogers, nothing more) that the vet says could be allergy related but some sites I have read said if it clears up with the l-lysine it's something else. If we are even considering bringing another cat into the household I want o have her as healthy as physically possible. Anyone use l-lysine and what form do you use? I've seen tablets (which I would HATE to have to administer) and powder forms... also, any specific type/brand to go for that is OK for felines ? Generally, what other
Re: l-lysine or viralys
you can get a pound of the powdered form, from NOW, which is a well-respected brand of health-store products for $7.99, on line. no mess, no fuss--even at retail in a store, it's $14.99/lb. that works out to something like 456 doses. On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Missy says - YUCK - I do not like Viralys! Mommy, please don't make me eat it! On 2/28/08, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I bought a pill crusher and crushed the tablets. I gave 1/2 in AM sprinkled on small amount of canned food (to make sure they get the entire dose) and 1/2 in PM ~ same way. They are 500 mg tablets. Or you can double the dose, too. I use Nature Made. The pill crusher I have has a place to store the rest of the powder from the pill. I got both at Walgreens. OR you can by Viralys (from a vet or online) which is a flavored powder for kittys and they love the taste. L-lysine is tasteless so using regular l-lysine is not a taste issue. Good luck. It works miracles here! Laurie - Original Message - *From:* Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:36 AM *Subject:* RE: l-lysine Get it from a nutrition place like GNC, and make sure you get the kind without additives. Most of the stuff you get at drug stores will have -- I can't remember the name of the stuff, but it's bad for cats -- added to it. Diane R. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Beth Gouldin *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:04 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* l-lysine I've been looking into l-lysine to start giving to Athena - from what I've read, it would help. She's periodically got slightly runny eyes (like just eye boogers, nothing more) that the vet says could be allergy related but some sites I have read said if it clears up with the l-lysine it's something else. If we are even considering bringing another cat into the household I want o have her as healthy as physically possible. Anyone use l-lysine and what form do you use? I've seen tablets (which I would HATE to have to administer) and powder forms... also, any specific type/brand to go for that is OK for felines ? Generally, what other supplements/therapies do you give consistently to non-symptomatic felv+ cats? -- Beth Gouldin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 940.395.5393 God Bless!!! This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: coughing
Thank you for this info. from me, too, Sally. I've got 2 sick cats and a sick dog, and have been sick myself, so I am way behind. tonya Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lynne It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is : Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) causes acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or feline herpesvirus infection). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide. The following website gives more information http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/ They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers. Junior does not get these. How is BooBoo doing? Sally On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores. I just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other animal that gets a bit of gunk in his eyes. We've started him back on his Doxycycline because the breathing issue seems to have settled. My vet didn't bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are dealing with here. Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level but he is so determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my opinion he isn't being conscientious enough. Every time we talk to him or see him, he says the same thing, you understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't really seem to want to save him. Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our building at work asked me about him yesterday and told me to offer as much paliative care as is reasonable before euthanizing him. This doc is so funny. He took time off work to go and assist in the spaying of his dog along with his vet. I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only thing our BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it. The main ingredient is chicken liver and fish oil. I tried giving him regular chicken liver but he turned his nose up at it. It's 2 bucks a can. I think it's a good deal though because a little seems to fill him up. Our other pig cat will eat anything you put in front of him, except this, fortunately. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: Re: coughing This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only assume it slows the herpes virus down. A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have se veral porkers in the house, I was hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see. A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm. Sally On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker. His lungs are clear. He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really. they did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's viral and could be herpes. He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any ideas I would love to hear them. tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laurie, This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all. -- Belinda happiness is being
Re: coughing, sneezing allergies
yes. or asthma (which can be manifestation of allergies). - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: Re: coughing, sneezing allergies I have wondered if Sneaker's sneezing/breathing problems could be allergy related. The vet seems to think it's herpes virus... I have started adding lysine to his food. t Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only assume it slows the herpes virus down. A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have several porkers in the house, I was hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see. A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm. Sally On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker. His lungs are clear. He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really. they did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's viral and could be herpes. He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any ideas I would love to hear them. tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laurie, This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: coughing, sneezing allergies
I have wondered if Sneaker's sneezing/breathing problems could be allergy related. The vet seems to think it's herpes virus... I have started adding lysine to his food. t Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only assume it slows the herpes virus down. A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have several porkers in the house, I was hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see. A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm. Sally On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker. His lungs are clear. He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really. they did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's viral and could be herpes. He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any ideas I would love to hear them. tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laurie, This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: Anika Please add to the CLS
Hi Sherry, I'm so sorry to hear about your sweet Anika. It's wonderful she was able to get some loving before she left you guys. So sorry to hear about all your other furbabies that have left you and the others at Sids in the last couple of months. Prayers for strength going out to you and your fellow co-workers. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 5:32:01 PM Subject: Anika Please add to the CLS I will try to type this through tears.We lost beautiful feisty Anika yesterday to this terrible disease.She was a fluffy gray girl.Thursday night my boyfriend and I were at Sids and we read that she wasnt feeling good in the log book,so me and one of the other volunteers were trying to get her to come out from under a cabinet and she used to always come to me.Well I started to do my duties around there.A while later I glanced back into the room where she was and there on the couch was Anika all curled up in my boyfriends arms.I asked him if he picked her up and he said no she just ran over here and cuddled up with him.They both took a hour nap together.I had really bad feelings that night that she would be leaving us soon.So before I even opened the e-mail about her I cried,cause I knew what I was going to read. I will miss that beautiful beautiful girl. :( Sorry for rambling on,just wanted to share my last thoughts of her.She looked so sweet cuddled up with my guy. Very saddened, Sherry Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Lance, How is Ember doing?
Hey Lance, I'm trying to catch up on the posts this weekend (while we replace siding on our house that our dogs chewed completely through!!!). I read about Ember's stool issues last month and breathing issues. Is she doing ok? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
To Susan and Autumn
Susan, How is Autumn doing since her spay? I laughed when I read about her playing fort in your large cooking pot. That's hilarious! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: Holistic Vets
He was diagnosed with FIP as well Tonya. I realize this apparently cannot be diagnosed until after death but his culture and all other symptoms lead the vet to diagnose him with that as well. He's had 2 shots of interferon now and is getting ready for a blood transfusion this coming week. He's not feeling terrific today, a touch of loose stools but this is a side effect of the interferon. Other than being very tired he's purring his little head off while resting. Lynne - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets I'm chiming in so late here, but I hope Boo is hanging in there. Has nothing been said of the possibility of fip with the fluid, etc? tonya Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry, when the vet first told us of his prognosis and offered euthanization before we bonded too much with him, I told him, I don't believe in putt ing individuals suffering with the AIDS virus down so why would I want to do this to a seemingly well animal. He thought that was pretty funny and then agreed to do what we could to treat problems as they arise. I suppose the majority of people who discover this about their pets do imagine the worse and want to get over it quickly. I really like this vet on a personal level. He seems very compassionate but like I told my husband last night, everything we've done so far has come from us, not him. I am not a vet, I shouldn't have to suggest blood work, antibiotics, lasix and fluid aspiration. If I hadn't joined this group, BooBoo would be in the ground right now. And yes, I don't care how frozen the ground is, or what kind of contageous disease he has, he will be buried next to my dearly beloved Chuck in a garden I have with forget-me-not and bleeding heart flowers in it. Lynne - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Ker ry N. To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: RE: Holistic Vets I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer. It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak! I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former family. I hope they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in their care. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Wedne sday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Thank you Jane. I think of all our members and what they are experiencing as well. I think it makes us all better people and caregivers. Honestly I think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed that we consider euthanasia. It would have been far harder on me if I had not given him a fighting chance. I still will not let him suffer and if there is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge. My husband has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with him because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that they should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of their neglect/stupidity. So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's been through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the na sty details including the financial impact. I'm not as kind as my husband is and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me. I ended my email by saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you won't have to experience this agony. Lynne - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Lynne I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the both of you. He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love feels like. Take care of yourself. Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote: Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended something called Factor One. I'm go nna call the supplier today. My vet has now told me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've decided that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep comfortable. I've had to
Re: Lance, How is Ember doing?
Hi Wendy, Thanks for asking about Ember. She's doing really well. She was going nuts earlier, running around batting one of her mice. She got it into the bathtub somehow, and was after in there, too. She's very vocal when she's doing all this. She sounds like a little wild cat. Regarding Ember's troubles from a few months ago, the diarrhea is long gone. I now feed her two 3 oz cans of Wellness a day, as well as some Kitty Kaviar. She's lost a little weight, but nothing like last year. I'm pretty sure that the loud breathing/panting was a reaction to the high dose of Flagyl, which I stopped. I haven't heard it happen since that particular episode. I got her onto pumpkin for a week or so after that, and that seemed to help take care of the diarrhea. I've been meaning to write the list to see what the blandest, organic/ natural dry food with a single source of protein might be. I tried a little Wellness CORE on her, and it went right through. Lance On Mar 2, 2008, at 1:08 PM, wendy wrote: Hey Lance, I'm trying to catch up on the posts this weekend (while we replace siding on our house that our dogs chewed completely through!!!). I read about Ember's stool issues last month and breathing issues. Is she doing ok? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: Lance, How is Ember doing?
Lance, how did you feed the pumpkin? Syringe, or mixing it with other food, or what? Thanks! Gloria On Mar 2, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Lance wrote: Hi Wendy, Thanks for asking about Ember. She's doing really well. She was going nuts earlier, running around batting one of her mice. She got it into the bathtub somehow, and was after in there, too. She's very vocal when she's doing all this. She sounds like a little wild cat. Regarding Ember's troubles from a few months ago, the diarrhea is long gone. I now feed her two 3 oz cans of Wellness a day, as well as some Kitty Kaviar. She's lost a little weight, but nothing like last year. I'm pretty sure that the loud breathing/panting was a reaction to the high dose of Flagyl, which I stopped. I haven't heard it happen since that particular episode. I got her onto pumpkin for a week or so after that, and that seemed to help take care of the diarrhea. I've been meaning to write the list to see what the blandest, organic/natural dry food with a single source of protein might be. I tried a little Wellness CORE on her, and it went right through. Lance On Mar 2, 2008, at 1:08 PM, wendy wrote: Hey Lance, I'm trying to catch up on the posts this weekend (while we replace siding on our house that our dogs chewed completely through!!!). I read about Ember's stool issues last month and breathing issues. Is she doing ok? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: Lance, How is Ember doing?
Initially, I stirred it into her food, but then I discovered that she'd just eat it by itself. We did that some, too. On Mar 2, 2008, at 5:33 PM, Gloria Lane wrote: Lance, how did you feed the pumpkin? Syringe, or mixing it with other food, or what? Thanks! Gloria On Mar 2, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Lance wrote: Hi Wendy, Thanks for asking about Ember. She's doing really well. She was going nuts earlier, running around batting one of her mice. She got it into the bathtub somehow, and was after in there, too. She's very vocal when she's doing all this. She sounds like a little wild cat. Regarding Ember's troubles from a few months ago, the diarrhea is long gone. I now feed her two 3 oz cans of Wellness a day, as well as some Kitty Kaviar. She's lost a little weight, but nothing like last year. I'm pretty sure that the loud breathing/panting was a reaction to the high dose of Flagyl, which I stopped. I haven't heard it happen since that particular episode. I got her onto pumpkin for a week or so after that, and that seemed to help take care of the diarrhea. I've been meaning to write the list to see what the blandest, organic/natural dry food with a single source of protein might be. I tried a little Wellness CORE on her, and it went right through. Lance On Mar 2, 2008, at 1:08 PM, wendy wrote: Hey Lance, I'm trying to catch up on the posts this weekend (while we replace siding on our house that our dogs chewed completely through!!!). I read about Ember's stool issues last month and breathing issues. Is she doing ok? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Re: Lance, How is Ember doing?
Hey Lance, I laughed when I pictured Ember batting around her toy in the tub while making loud kitty noises...aren't those the moments we all live for??? :) Have you tried Evo dry with Ember? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2008 5:24:54 PM Subject: Re: Lance, How is Ember doing? Hi Wendy, Thanks for asking about Ember. She's doing really well. She was going nuts earlier, running around batting one of her mice. She got it into the bathtub somehow, and was after in there, too. She's very vocal when she's doing all this. She sounds like a little wild cat. Regarding Ember's troubles from a few months ago, the diarrhea is long gone. I now feed her two 3 oz cans of Wellness a day, as well as some Kitty Kaviar. She's lost a little weight, but nothing like last year. I'm pretty sure that the loud breathing/panting was a reaction to the high dose of Flagyl, which I stopped. I haven't heard it happen since that particular episode. I got her onto pumpkin for a week or so after that, and that seemed to help take care of the diarrhea. I've been meaning to write the list to see what the blandest, organic/natural dry food with a single source of protein might be. I tried a little Wellness CORE on her, and it went right through. Lance On Mar 2, 2008, at 1:08 PM, wendy wrote: Hey Lance, I'm trying to catch up on the posts this weekend (while we replace siding on our house that our dogs chewed completely through!!!). I read about Ember's stool issues last month and breathing issues. Is she doing ok? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
BooBoo left us
We lost our precious baby tonight. He developed difficulty breathing and we rushed him to the emergency clinic. He was dehydrated and had just had his lungs aspirated Friday. The vet recently experienced the same situation with his Himilayan, co-incidentally, though I sometimes think they make stuff up to identify with your pain. I held his little face in my hand and petted him as did Bob and he slipped away almost immediately. I don't think I've cried this much in my life, Bob too. At this moment I can't imagine ever being happy again. Sounds stupid but BooBoo conveyed to me this evening it was time to go and he thanked us. He was so very weak he could hardly walk but he was still purring as we pet him even with the damn catheter in. We know this was best for him but the worst for us. Thank you all for being so very supportive. Lynne
Re: BooBoo left us
Lynn You are so wonderful to have given BooBoo kindness that he would have never known at the hands of his previous owner. He gift to you was unconditional love. For the short time you had him he was touched your life forever. He is now whole and free of pain with all our angels at the Rainbows bridge. Hugs Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: BooBoo left us
Lynne I am so saddened to hear that BooBoo lost his battle.Thank you for loving him and doing the best you could for him.He wasa very lucky kitty to have such love from you and your husband.Hugs to you in this sad time. Sherry Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We lost our precious baby tonight. He developed difficulty breathing and we rushed him to the emergency clinic. He was dehydrated and had just had his lungs aspirated Friday. The vet recently experienced the same situation with his Himilayan, co-incidentally, though I sometimes think they make stuff up to identify with your pain. I held his little face in my hand and petted him as did Bob and he slipped away almost immediately. I don't think I've cried this much in my life, Bob too. At this moment I can't imagine ever being happy again. Sounds stupid but BooBoo conveyed to me this evening it was time to go and he thanked us. He was so very weak he could hardly walk but he was still purring as we pet him even with the damn catheter in. We know this was best for him but the worst for us. Thank you all for being so very supportive. Lynne - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Re: BooBoo left us
Oh Lynn - I'm so sorry - I've been keeping up quietly with the Boo Boo saga - and praying for the very best I know that he did have the very best when he found you *hugs* Beth On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lynn You are so wonderful to have given BooBoo kindness that he would have never known at the hands of his previous owner. He gift to you was unconditional love. For the short time you had him he was touched your life forever. He is now whole and free of pain with all our angels at the Rainbows bridge. Hugs Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 -- Beth Gouldin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 940.395.5393 God Bless!!!
Re: BooBoo left us
Lynne, I am deeply saddened to read that BooBoo has gone. I've thought of him and you, tried to keep up with your posts, and prayed for him regularly. Thank you for taking such wonderful care of him, and for all the love you gave to him. You and Bob will be in my thoughts and prayers. Lance On Mar 2, 2008, at 9:04 PM, Lynne wrote: We lost our precious baby tonight. He developed difficulty breathing and we rushed him to the emergency clinic. He was dehydrated and had just had his lungs aspirated Friday. The vet recently experienced the same situation with his Himilayan, co- incidentally, though I sometimes think they make stuff up to identify with your pain. I held his little face in my hand and petted him as did Bob and he slipped away almost immediately. I don't think I've cried this much in my life, Bob too. At this moment I can't imagine ever being happy again. Sounds stupid but BooBoo conveyed to me this evening it was time to go and he thanked us. He was so very weak he could hardly walk but he was still purring as we pet him even with the damn catheter in. We know this was best for him but the worst for us. Thank you all for being so very supportive. Lynne
Re: BooBoo left us
Lynne, I am so sorry you tried everything to help BooBoo. I feel he must have come to you because you would care for him in his last weeks. He knew he could count on you. I can't believe how quickly he went downhill. Devastating. No other word comes ot mind. Let your other kitty comfort you. He can and he will. My experience is my life is changed by my losses. You will be happy again but it will be different for youlove changes us. I am holding you and Bob in my heart. My Squeaky, Stripes, Teddy and Keisha are gathered around your baby boy. They are all healthy now and I believe we will meet again when we cross over. God bless you and Bob and Booboo and the vets who gave it everything. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: BooBoo left us We lost our precious baby tonight. He developed difficulty breathing and we rushed him to the emergency clinic. He was dehydrated and had just had his lungs aspirated Friday. The vet recently experienced the same situation with his Himilayan, co-incidentally, though I sometimes think they make stuff up to identify with your pain. I held his little face in my hand and petted him as did Bob and he slipped away almost immediately. I don't think I've cried this much in my life, Bob too. At this moment I can't imagine ever being happy again. Sounds stupid but BooBoo conveyed to me this evening it was time to go and he thanked us. He was so very weak he could hardly walk but he was still purring as we pet him even with the damn catheter in. We know this was best for him but the worst for us. Thank you all for being so very supportive. Lynne
Re: BooBoo left us
I am so sorry to hear that BooBoo lost his battle. I know exactly how you feel, as I went through the same thing almost a year ago. My Tomi, Kisa, and Koda will greet him in the place where special kitties go to wait for us to rejoin them. While the pain is so intense at losing our beloved kitties, it is also a relief that they no longer need to suffer, and we no longer need to suffer with them, wondering how much time we have left to spend with them. I know it hurts so much now that you can hardly stand it, but the pain does fade. Your memory, however, will always remain intact of your precious BooBoo. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: BooBoo left us We lost our precious baby tonight. He developed difficulty breathing and we rushed him to the emergency clinic. He was dehydrated and had just had his lungs aspirated Friday. The vet recently experienced the same situation with his Himilayan, co-incidentally, though I sometimes think they make stuff up to identify with your pain. I held his little face in my hand and petted him as did Bob and he slipped away almost immediately. I don't think I've cried this much in my life, Bob too. At this moment I can't imagine ever being happy again. Sounds stupid but BooBoo conveyed to me this evening it was time to go and he thanked us. He was so very weak he could hardly walk but he was still purring as we pet him even with the damn catheter in. We know this was best for him but the worst for us. Thank you all for being so very supportive. Lynne -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.3/1306 - Release Date: 3/1/2008 5:41 PM
RE: BooBoo left us
I'm sorry to read this. I have not posted about BooBoo but have read the postings. You and Bob really put your heart into helping him. You will be happy again --and it is not stupid, they do often let us know when they are ready to go Tracy - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 3/2/2008 10:04:32 PM Subject: BooBoo left us We lost our precious baby tonight. He developed difficulty breathing and we rushed him to the emergency clinic. He was dehydrated and had just had his lungs aspirated Friday. The vet recently experienced the same situation with his Himilayan, co-incidentally, though I sometimes think they make stuff up to identify with your pain. I held his little face in my hand and petted him as did Bob and he slipped away almost immediately. I don't think I've cried this much in my life, Bob too. At this moment I can't imagine ever being happy again. Sounds stupid but BooBoo conveyed to me this evening it was time to go and he thanked us. He was so very weak he could hardly walk but he was still purring as we pet him even with the damn catheter in. We know this was best for him but the worst for us. Thank you all for being so very supportive. Lynne
