Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl & Natalie!!)
My Fuji absolutely refuses to take pills. However, the last few days I've added lysine to her wet food and she has been eating it pretty well! On Oct 4, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: > Sharyl > I perked up reading your message about L-Lysine and herpes. I have my > mother's dear cat, Lucky, who recently got a positive FeLV and has, since > we've had him (12 years?) had an occasionally "runny eye" that one vet > diagnosed as herpes. > So, how do you get the L-lysine in them? Just put in water? Can you put in > canned food? I'm currently putting Pet Rescue Remedy in the water as Lucky > is still "in quarantine" until gets retested and/or my 3 healthy house cats > get vaccinated. > Thanks. > - Original Message - From: "Sharyl" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice,Sharyl & > Natalie!!) > > >> Sounds like a good plan. The diff. between Pet-Tinic and NutriVed is the >> NutriVed contains folic acid. On the 'how bad do they taste' scale NutriVed >> may taste a little worse. If you go with Pet-Tinic you can always added >> folic acid. I prefer either powdered supplements or those in a capsule. >> Easier to mix in food or water than grinding up a tablet. >> >> Something we haven't talked about in a while is L-lysine. It is available >> as a powder on line. I buy it by the lb and add it to the water for my >> house kitties and the 2 groups of ferals I feed. Seem to help keep herpes >> infections at bay which most rescues have. I also add it to the canned food >> I put out for the feral colonies. Figure they need all the help they can >> get. >> Hugs to Avis >> Sharyl >> >> --- On Sun, 10/3/10, nise...@yahoo.com wrote: >> >>> From: nise...@yahoo.com >>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl & >>> Natalie!!) >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 2:24 PM >>> After pondering the excellent advice >>> of Alice, Sharyl and Natalie, and scouring >>> the FeLV archives, I think I've come up with a reasonable >>> treatment plan to >>> propose to my wonderful, open & supportive vet. Any >>> comments would be much >>> appreciated. >>> >>> Recap: Avis is an approx 21 month old neutered male, >>> rescued from an Avis >>> parking lot when he was about 9 months, bounced around for >>> about 8 months, >>> living with us the last 4 months. A 9/27 CBC prior to >>> a minor eye procedure >>> requiring general anesthesia revealed non-regenerative >>> anemia: HCT at 21%, RBC >>> at 4.37, Retic < 1%. The subsequent 9/28 FeLV/FIV >>> test was positive. Beyond >>> somewhat pale gums and a little lower energy compared to >>> other young cats (no >>> wild acrobatics for Avis!) he is physically fine right now. >>> 11 lbs & eats like >>> a champ, uses litterbox regularly, keeps his glossy soft >>> coat perfectly groomed, >>> chases Max the Dog all over the house, spends hours >>> twitching his tail at the >>> squirrels on the other side of the window. >>> >>> Treatment Plan: >>> 1. Diet - continue with daily 5.5 oz can of Wellness Wet >>> Food and a 1/3 cup of >>> California Naturals Chicken & Brown Rice dry food. >>> After 4 months of trying to >>> wean Avis off his dry food addiction, this is the balance >>> we've mutually agreed >>> to! He eats it all up and hits the water bowl pretty good >>> once or twice a day. >>> >>> 2. Treats - about 8 pieces of Greenies baked dry cat treats >>> each day, he LOVES >>> them and they do seem to have some vitamins added. >>> >>> >>> 3. Supplements - either Pet-tinic or NutriVed. Still >>> researching. >>> >>> 4. Immediately start LTCI injections. Given that results >>> from only a few formal >>> studies are currently available, I view the LTCI regime as >>> sort of an unofficial >>> phase II clinical trial. But given Avis' prognosis, it >>> is definitely worth >>> trying. >>> >>> >>> 5. Immediately start on 2x daily Interferon Alpha (unless >>> there is some way I >>> can get Interferon Omega from Europe). Anecdotally, this >>> seems to help some >>> cats, and has been safely given to FeLV+ cats for several >>> years. Again, well >>> worth trying. >>> >>> 6. Keep the big guns like Epogen & Prednilosone in >>> reserve for when the HCT goes >>> below 20% or he starts to feel weak and lose appetite. >>> >>> 7. Stable, stress free environment and lots of love. >>> >>> That's it! Thoughts from the FeLV community? >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felinel
Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl & Natalie!!)
Bonnie, I add 1/4 tsp to each qt. of water. For the ferals I add 1/4 tsp for each 5.5 oz of canned food I put out for them. Here is the link again for the L-Lysine powder http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-L-Lysine-Powder-1-lb-454-g/653?at=0 Sharyl --- On Sun, 10/3/10, Bonnie Hogue wrote: > From: Bonnie Hogue > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl & > Natalie!!) > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 11:06 PM > Sharyl > I perked up reading your message about L-Lysine and > herpes. I have my mother's dear cat, Lucky, who > recently got a positive FeLV and has, since we've had him > (12 years?) had an occasionally "runny eye" that one vet > diagnosed as herpes. > So, how do you get the L-lysine in them? Just put in > water? Can you put in canned food? I'm currently > putting Pet Rescue Remedy in the water as Lucky is still "in > quarantine" until gets retested and/or my 3 healthy house > cats get vaccinated. > Thanks. > - Original Message - From: "Sharyl" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to > Alice,Sharyl & Natalie!!) > > > > Sounds like a good plan. The diff. between > Pet-Tinic and NutriVed is the NutriVed contains folic > acid. On the 'how bad do they taste' scale NutriVed > may taste a little worse. If you go with Pet-Tinic you > can always added folic acid. I prefer either powdered > supplements or those in a capsule. Easier to mix in > food or water than grinding up a tablet. > > > > Something we haven't talked about in a while is > L-lysine. It is available as a powder on line. I > buy it by the lb and add it to the water for my house > kitties and the 2 groups of ferals I feed. Seem to > help keep herpes infections at bay which most rescues > have. I also add it to the canned food I put out for > the feral colonies. Figure they need all the help they > can get. > > Hugs to Avis > > Sharyl > > > > --- On Sun, 10/3/10, nise...@yahoo.com > > wrote: > > > >> From: nise...@yahoo.com > > >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG > thanks to Alice, Sharyl & Natalie!!) > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 2:24 PM > >> After pondering the excellent advice > >> of Alice, Sharyl and Natalie, and scouring > >> the FeLV archives, I think I've come up with a > reasonable > >> treatment plan to > >> propose to my wonderful, open & supportive > vet. Any > >> comments would be much > >> appreciated. > >> > >> Recap: Avis is an approx 21 month old neutered > male, > >> rescued from an Avis > >> parking lot when he was about 9 months, bounced > around for > >> about 8 months, > >> living with us the last 4 months. A 9/27 CBC prior > to > >> a minor eye procedure > >> requiring general anesthesia revealed > non-regenerative > >> anemia: HCT at 21%, RBC > >> at 4.37, Retic < 1%. The subsequent 9/28 > FeLV/FIV > >> test was positive. Beyond > >> somewhat pale gums and a little lower energy > compared to > >> other young cats (no > >> wild acrobatics for Avis!) he is physically fine > right now. > >> 11 lbs & eats like > >> a champ, uses litterbox regularly, keeps his > glossy soft > >> coat perfectly groomed, > >> chases Max the Dog all over the house, spends > hours > >> twitching his tail at the > >> squirrels on the other side of the window. > >> > >> Treatment Plan: > >> 1. Diet - continue with daily 5.5 oz can of > Wellness Wet > >> Food and a 1/3 cup of > >> California Naturals Chicken & Brown Rice dry > food. > >> After 4 months of trying to > >> wean Avis off his dry food addiction, this is the > balance > >> we've mutually agreed > >> to! He eats it all up and hits the water bowl > pretty good > >> once or twice a day. > >> > >> 2. Treats - about 8 pieces of Greenies baked dry > cat treats > >> each day, he LOVES > >> them and they do seem to have some vitamins > added. > >> > >> > >> 3. Supplements - either Pet-tinic or NutriVed. > Still > >> researching. > >> > >> 4. Immediately start LTCI injections. Given that > results > >> from only a few formal > >> studies are currently available, I view the LTCI > regime as > >> sort of an unofficial > >> phase II clinical trial. But given Avis' > prognosis, it > >> is definitely worth > >> trying. > >> > >> > >> 5. Immediately start on 2x daily Interferon Alpha > (unless > >> there is some way I > >> can get Interferon Omega from Europe). > Anecdotally, this > >> seems to help some > >> cats, and has been safely given to FeLV+ cats for > several > >> years. Again, well > >> worth trying. > >> > >> 6. Keep the big guns like Epogen & > Prednilosone in > >> reserve for when the HCT goes > >> below 20% or he starts to feel weak and lose > appetite. > >> > >> 7. Stable, stress free environment and lots of > love. > >> > >> That's it! Thoughts from the FeLV community? > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mai
Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl & Natalie!!)
Most of them were born in the colonies. I have TNR's most of these cats so there will be few additions. Seems like a new one shows up every few months. They get fresh food and water every night and seem quite happy. Some I have been feeding for almost 5 yrs now. I get my L-Lysine powder from this web site. http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-L-Lysine-Powder-1-lb-454-g/653?at=0 I add 1/4 tsp to each qt. of water I put out for them. Sharyl --- On Sun, 10/3/10, nise...@yahoo.com wrote: > From: nise...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl & > Natalie!!) > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 9:24 PM > Thanks, Sheryl. Powder definitely > sounds easier to dose than capsules. > > I will also talk to the vet about l-Lysine because Avis > does have herpes. It > damaged his 3rd eyelid which was why we were at the vet > ophthalmologist and got > the fateful blood test. > > TWO feral cat colonies?! Wow. That is sad to think about. > So many throwaway > cats. Or are most of them born feral? > > > > > From: Sharyl > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 4:24:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to > Alice, Sharyl & > Natalie!!) > > Sounds like a good plan. The diff. between Pet-Tinic > and NutriVed is the > NutriVed contains folic acid. On the 'how bad do they > taste' scale NutriVed may > taste a little worse. If you go with Pet-Tinic you > can always added folic > acid. I prefer either powdered supplements or those > in a capsule. Easier to > mix in food or water than grinding up a tablet. > > Something we haven't talked about in a while is > L-lysine. It is available as a > powder on line. I buy it by the lb and add it to the > water for my house kitties > and the 2 groups of ferals I feed. Seem to help keep > herpes infections at bay > which most rescues have. I also add it to the canned > food I put out for the > feral colonies. Figure they need all the help they > can get. > > Hugs to Avis > Sharyl > > --- On Sun, 10/3/10, nise...@yahoo.com > > wrote: > > > From: nise...@yahoo.com > > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to > Alice, Sharyl & > >Natalie!!) > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 2:24 PM > > After pondering the excellent advice > > of Alice, Sharyl and Natalie, and scouring > > the FeLV archives, I think I've come up with a > reasonable > > treatment plan to > > propose to my wonderful, open & supportive vet. > Any > > comments would be much > > appreciated. > > > > Recap: Avis is an approx 21 month old neutered male, > > rescued from an Avis > > parking lot when he was about 9 months, bounced around > for > > about 8 months, > > living with us the last 4 months. A 9/27 CBC > prior to > > a minor eye procedure > > requiring general anesthesia revealed > non-regenerative > > anemia: HCT at 21%, RBC > > at 4.37, Retic < 1%. The subsequent 9/28 > FeLV/FIV > > test was positive. Beyond > > somewhat pale gums and a little lower energy compared > to > > other young cats (no > > wild acrobatics for Avis!) he is physically fine right > now. > > 11 lbs & eats like > > a champ, uses litterbox regularly, keeps his glossy > soft > > coat perfectly groomed, > > chases Max the Dog all over the house, spends hours > > twitching his tail at the > > squirrels on the other side of the window. > > > > Treatment Plan: > > 1. Diet - continue with daily 5.5 oz can of Wellness > Wet > > Food and a 1/3 cup of > > California Naturals Chicken & Brown Rice dry > food. > > After 4 months of trying to > > wean Avis off his dry food addiction, this is the > balance > > we've mutually agreed > > to! He eats it all up and hits the water bowl pretty > good > > once or twice a day. > > > > 2. Treats - about 8 pieces of Greenies baked dry cat > treats > > each day, he LOVES > > them and they do seem to have some vitamins added. > > > > > > 3. Supplements - either Pet-tinic or NutriVed. Still > > researching. > > > > 4. Immediately start LTCI injections. Given that > results > > from only a few formal > > studies are currently available, I view the LTCI > regime as > > sort of an unofficial > > phase II clinical trial. But given Avis' prognosis, > it > > is definitely worth > > trying. > > > > > > 5. Immediately start on 2x daily Interferon Alpha > (unless > > there is some way I > > can get Interferon Omega from Europe). Anecdotally, > this > > seems to help some > > cats, and has been safely given to FeLV+ cats for > several > > years. Again, well > > worth trying. > > > > 6. Keep the big guns like Epogen & Prednilosone > in > > reserve for when the HCT goes > > below 20% or he starts to feel weak and lose > appetite. > > > > 7. Stable, stress free environment and lots of love. > > > > That's it! Thoughts from the FeLV community? > > > >
Re: [Felvtalk] Aristotle Please add to the CLS :(
I'll add Aristotle to my prayers. He sounds like a wonderful boy. Thank you for everything you and everyone else does for these special kitties. Sharyl --- On Sun, 10/3/10, Sherry DeHaan wrote: > From: Sherry DeHaan > Subject: [Felvtalk] Aristotle Please add to the CLS :( > To: "Felvtalk" > Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 10:40 PM > We lost another sweet Sids kid today > to this awful disease.Stotles was a sweet quiet boy who had > a beautiful purr.You will be missed my furry friend. :( > Sherry > > > "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more > temporary > than our own, > Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. > Unable to accept its awful gaps. > We still would have it no other way" > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Aristotle Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry I am so sorry to hear of your sweet boy's passing. I bet you can hear him purring even now. Cherish the memories. May his transition be an easy one. - Original Message - From: "Sherry DeHaan" To: "Felvtalk" Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:40 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Aristotle Please add to the CLS :( We lost another sweet Sids kid today to this awful disease.Stotles was a sweet quiet boy who had a beautiful purr.You will be missed my furry friend. :( Sherry "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl & Natalie!!)
Sharyl I perked up reading your message about L-Lysine and herpes. I have my mother's dear cat, Lucky, who recently got a positive FeLV and has, since we've had him (12 years?) had an occasionally "runny eye" that one vet diagnosed as herpes. So, how do you get the L-lysine in them? Just put in water? Can you put in canned food? I'm currently putting Pet Rescue Remedy in the water as Lucky is still "in quarantine" until gets retested and/or my 3 healthy house cats get vaccinated. Thanks. - Original Message - From: "Sharyl" To: Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice,Sharyl & Natalie!!) Sounds like a good plan. The diff. between Pet-Tinic and NutriVed is the NutriVed contains folic acid. On the 'how bad do they taste' scale NutriVed may taste a little worse. If you go with Pet-Tinic you can always added folic acid. I prefer either powdered supplements or those in a capsule. Easier to mix in food or water than grinding up a tablet. Something we haven't talked about in a while is L-lysine. It is available as a powder on line. I buy it by the lb and add it to the water for my house kitties and the 2 groups of ferals I feed. Seem to help keep herpes infections at bay which most rescues have. I also add it to the canned food I put out for the feral colonies. Figure they need all the help they can get. Hugs to Avis Sharyl --- On Sun, 10/3/10, nise...@yahoo.com wrote: From: nise...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl & Natalie!!) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 2:24 PM After pondering the excellent advice of Alice, Sharyl and Natalie, and scouring the FeLV archives, I think I've come up with a reasonable treatment plan to propose to my wonderful, open & supportive vet. Any comments would be much appreciated. Recap: Avis is an approx 21 month old neutered male, rescued from an Avis parking lot when he was about 9 months, bounced around for about 8 months, living with us the last 4 months. A 9/27 CBC prior to a minor eye procedure requiring general anesthesia revealed non-regenerative anemia: HCT at 21%, RBC at 4.37, Retic < 1%. The subsequent 9/28 FeLV/FIV test was positive. Beyond somewhat pale gums and a little lower energy compared to other young cats (no wild acrobatics for Avis!) he is physically fine right now. 11 lbs & eats like a champ, uses litterbox regularly, keeps his glossy soft coat perfectly groomed, chases Max the Dog all over the house, spends hours twitching his tail at the squirrels on the other side of the window. Treatment Plan: 1. Diet - continue with daily 5.5 oz can of Wellness Wet Food and a 1/3 cup of California Naturals Chicken & Brown Rice dry food. After 4 months of trying to wean Avis off his dry food addiction, this is the balance we've mutually agreed to! He eats it all up and hits the water bowl pretty good once or twice a day. 2. Treats - about 8 pieces of Greenies baked dry cat treats each day, he LOVES them and they do seem to have some vitamins added. 3. Supplements - either Pet-tinic or NutriVed. Still researching. 4. Immediately start LTCI injections. Given that results from only a few formal studies are currently available, I view the LTCI regime as sort of an unofficial phase II clinical trial. But given Avis' prognosis, it is definitely worth trying. 5. Immediately start on 2x daily Interferon Alpha (unless there is some way I can get Interferon Omega from Europe). Anecdotally, this seems to help some cats, and has been safely given to FeLV+ cats for several years. Again, well worth trying. 6. Keep the big guns like Epogen & Prednilosone in reserve for when the HCT goes below 20% or he starts to feel weak and lose appetite. 7. Stable, stress free environment and lots of love. That's it! Thoughts from the FeLV community? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Aristotle Please add to the CLS :(
We lost another sweet Sids kid today to this awful disease.Stotles was a sweet quiet boy who had a beautiful purr.You will be missed my furry friend. :( Sherry "We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way" ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Interesting article on FeLV
I just found this on the internet: http://www.reference.com/browse/lymphoid+system ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl & Natalie!!)
Thanks, Sheryl. Powder definitely sounds easier to dose than capsules. I will also talk to the vet about l-Lysine because Avis does have herpes. It damaged his 3rd eyelid which was why we were at the vet ophthalmologist and got the fateful blood test. TWO feral cat colonies?! Wow. That is sad to think about. So many throwaway cats. Or are most of them born feral? From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 4:24:59 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl & Natalie!!) Sounds like a good plan. The diff. between Pet-Tinic and NutriVed is the NutriVed contains folic acid. On the 'how bad do they taste' scale NutriVed may taste a little worse. If you go with Pet-Tinic you can always added folic acid. I prefer either powdered supplements or those in a capsule. Easier to mix in food or water than grinding up a tablet. Something we haven't talked about in a while is L-lysine. It is available as a powder on line. I buy it by the lb and add it to the water for my house kitties and the 2 groups of ferals I feed. Seem to help keep herpes infections at bay which most rescues have. I also add it to the canned food I put out for the feral colonies. Figure they need all the help they can get. Hugs to Avis Sharyl --- On Sun, 10/3/10, nise...@yahoo.com wrote: > From: nise...@yahoo.com > Subject: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl & >Natalie!!) > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 2:24 PM > After pondering the excellent advice > of Alice, Sharyl and Natalie, and scouring > the FeLV archives, I think I've come up with a reasonable > treatment plan to > propose to my wonderful, open & supportive vet. Any > comments would be much > appreciated. > > Recap: Avis is an approx 21 month old neutered male, > rescued from an Avis > parking lot when he was about 9 months, bounced around for > about 8 months, > living with us the last 4 months. A 9/27 CBC prior to > a minor eye procedure > requiring general anesthesia revealed non-regenerative > anemia: HCT at 21%, RBC > at 4.37, Retic < 1%. The subsequent 9/28 FeLV/FIV > test was positive. Beyond > somewhat pale gums and a little lower energy compared to > other young cats (no > wild acrobatics for Avis!) he is physically fine right now. > 11 lbs & eats like > a champ, uses litterbox regularly, keeps his glossy soft > coat perfectly groomed, > chases Max the Dog all over the house, spends hours > twitching his tail at the > squirrels on the other side of the window. > > Treatment Plan: > 1. Diet - continue with daily 5.5 oz can of Wellness Wet > Food and a 1/3 cup of > California Naturals Chicken & Brown Rice dry food. > After 4 months of trying to > wean Avis off his dry food addiction, this is the balance > we've mutually agreed > to! He eats it all up and hits the water bowl pretty good > once or twice a day. > > 2. Treats - about 8 pieces of Greenies baked dry cat treats > each day, he LOVES > them and they do seem to have some vitamins added. > > > 3. Supplements - either Pet-tinic or NutriVed. Still > researching. > > 4. Immediately start LTCI injections. Given that results > from only a few formal > studies are currently available, I view the LTCI regime as > sort of an unofficial > phase II clinical trial. But given Avis' prognosis, it > is definitely worth > trying. > > > 5. Immediately start on 2x daily Interferon Alpha (unless > there is some way I > can get Interferon Omega from Europe). Anecdotally, this > seems to help some > cats, and has been safely given to FeLV+ cats for several > years. Again, well > worth trying. > > 6. Keep the big guns like Epogen & Prednilosone in > reserve for when the HCT goes > below 20% or he starts to feel weak and lose appetite. > > 7. Stable, stress free environment and lots of love. > > That's it! Thoughts from the FeLV community? > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kris-Avis ...me n Murphy and some random thoughts
Okay, Mr. Tux is a great name but Eliot Spitty is just plain awesome! Avis is in a very different place than your two wonderfully healthy and asymptomatic cats. My vet flat out told me that his CBC numbers were not good and needed to be monitored carefully, and that his prognosis depends on how long they stay stable and/or how fast they go down. She is willing to pursue any reasonable treatment that might help keep those RBCs, HCTs & Retics up, which is why I've been all over this forum the last five days. Stories like Murphy's, who keeps on bouncing back, give me hope. First I've heard of CoQ10. Is that a vitamin supplement? From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 8:05:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kris-Avis ...me n Murphy and some random thoughts Hi, It's so sad to hear about all your symptomatic FeLV+ cats and kittens. Years ago, I had a FeLV+ kitten that was on interferon, but suddenly got seizures and died at the vet before it was 3 months old. My two, Mr. Tux and Eliot Spitty, are perfectly healthy asymptomatic cats. Other than providing good nutrition, a stressless life, TLC, and CoQ10, I'm not doing anything else - should I be doing more?? Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of nise...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 6:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kris-Avis ...me n Murphy and some random thoughts Alice, It's a rainy, melancholy Sunday where I am too. But what a lucky day it was two years ago when that litter of feral kittens ended up with you. And Murphy is now exactly where he needs to be. I feel so bad about your little ones who have passed, but Murphy and Rosie obviously wake up each day happy and loved and safe and warm. I do understand that there is no cure for this horrible disease. But LTCI and Interferon really might help give our little buddies a chance at as much quality time as possible. Hope is a good thing, and it sure is helping me right now. As I add up everything I'm committing to, I also realize that it is going to get expensive. Thank goodness I'm only caring for Avis, and not multiple special needs kitties like you and Sharyl and so many other angels on this forum. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your time and generosity in sharing your experiences and stories about your wonderful companions. And the FeLV talk archives are a priceless resource for someone who's sole knowledge about FeLV was "umm, right, there's something called Feline Leukemia that cats can get and it's not so good when they do." Will keep you posted about Avis, Kris From: Alice Flowers To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 3:44:59 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Kris-Avis ...me n Murphy and some random thoughts Kris-just looking back over the past 2 years with the 6 kitties, as a total amateur on FeLV, here are some of my random thoughts. Interferon-Good-I am glad to be giving it-not a cure, but it may keep the virus somewhat at bay. LTCI-it gave me alot of hope, and still does-but for cats like mine who are infected from a very young age or in utero, I feel it helps them develop a stronger immune system than they would normally have. They seemed to not get URIs after we began the LTCI. My only experience is with the one litter of 5 feral kitties and Murphy, a sweetie who ended up in the same colony-either a throw away, or lost. There are people here that have so much more knowledge and have helped lots of rescued kitties with FeLV-probably not giving all the stuff, but that's fine-It's very expensive and I don't think it's really a cure anyway. But they are giving the cats a chance to live and be cared for, maybe for the first time ever-they were probably going to be euthanized quickly at the shelters. They are giving them a loving touch, maybe a sunny window to snooze in. I could not do rescue-Bless all those that do. I have tunnel vision when it comes to my babies. I look at Murphy and know we are on borrowed time now-he's only 2 1/2 (I didn't count on my fingers the other day and typed 1 1/2-LOL) but as long as he is comfortable and happy go lucky, we continue the little battles. He waits in the kitchen for his meds morning and night-takes less than a minute for the Interferon and the 3 capsules. He eats like a horse most days. He is Rosie's only companion now since her 4 brothers passed. She will be running around the house in the middle of the night, wailing when he passes, looking for him like she did for her brothers. That makes me really sad, plus he is my little shadow when I'm not at work. I guess it's a melancholy Sunday for this old lady-LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/l
Re: [Felvtalk] Kris-Avis ...me n Murphy and some random thoughts
Hi, It's so sad to hear about all your symptomatic FeLV+ cats and kittens. Years ago, I had a FeLV+ kitten that was on interferon, but suddenly got seizures and died at the vet before it was 3 months old. My two, Mr. Tux and Eliot Spitty, are perfectly healthy asymptomatic cats. Other than providing good nutrition, a stressless life, TLC, and CoQ10, I'm not doing anything else - should I be doing more?? Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of nise...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 6:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kris-Avis ...me n Murphy and some random thoughts Alice, It's a rainy, melancholy Sunday where I am too. But what a lucky day it was two years ago when that litter of feral kittens ended up with you. And Murphy is now exactly where he needs to be. I feel so bad about your little ones who have passed, but Murphy and Rosie obviously wake up each day happy and loved and safe and warm. I do understand that there is no cure for this horrible disease. But LTCI and Interferon really might help give our little buddies a chance at as much quality time as possible. Hope is a good thing, and it sure is helping me right now. As I add up everything I'm committing to, I also realize that it is going to get expensive. Thank goodness I'm only caring for Avis, and not multiple special needs kitties like you and Sharyl and so many other angels on this forum. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your time and generosity in sharing your experiences and stories about your wonderful companions. And the FeLV talk archives are a priceless resource for someone who's sole knowledge about FeLV was "umm, right, there's something called Feline Leukemia that cats can get and it's not so good when they do." Will keep you posted about Avis, Kris From: Alice Flowers To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 3:44:59 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Kris-Avis ...me n Murphy and some random thoughts Kris-just looking back over the past 2 years with the 6 kitties, as a total amateur on FeLV, here are some of my random thoughts. Interferon-Good-I am glad to be giving it-not a cure, but it may keep the virus somewhat at bay. LTCI-it gave me alot of hope, and still does-but for cats like mine who are infected from a very young age or in utero, I feel it helps them develop a stronger immune system than they would normally have. They seemed to not get URIs after we began the LTCI. My only experience is with the one litter of 5 feral kitties and Murphy, a sweetie who ended up in the same colony-either a throw away, or lost. There are people here that have so much more knowledge and have helped lots of rescued kitties with FeLV-probably not giving all the stuff, but that's fine-It's very expensive and I don't think it's really a cure anyway. But they are giving the cats a chance to live and be cared for, maybe for the first time ever-they were probably going to be euthanized quickly at the shelters. They are giving them a loving touch, maybe a sunny window to snooze in. I could not do rescue-Bless all those that do. I have tunnel vision when it comes to my babies. I look at Murphy and know we are on borrowed time now-he's only 2 1/2 (I didn't count on my fingers the other day and typed 1 1/2-LOL) but as long as he is comfortable and happy go lucky, we continue the little battles. He waits in the kitchen for his meds morning and night-takes less than a minute for the Interferon and the 3 capsules. He eats like a horse most days. He is Rosie's only companion now since her 4 brothers passed. She will be running around the house in the middle of the night, wailing when he passes, looking for him like she did for her brothers. That makes me really sad, plus he is my little shadow when I'm not at work. I guess it's a melancholy Sunday for this old lady-LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kris-Avis ...me n Murphy and some random thoughts
Alice, It's a rainy, melancholy Sunday where I am too. But what a lucky day it was two years ago when that litter of feral kittens ended up with you. And Murphy is now exactly where he needs to be. I feel so bad about your little ones who have passed, but Murphy and Rosie obviously wake up each day happy and loved and safe and warm. I do understand that there is no cure for this horrible disease. But LTCI and Interferon really might help give our little buddies a chance at as much quality time as possible. Hope is a good thing, and it sure is helping me right now. As I add up everything I'm committing to, I also realize that it is going to get expensive. Thank goodness I'm only caring for Avis, and not multiple special needs kitties like you and Sharyl and so many other angels on this forum. I cannot tell you how much I appreciate your time and generosity in sharing your experiences and stories about your wonderful companions. And the FeLV talk archives are a priceless resource for someone who's sole knowledge about FeLV was "umm, right, there's something called Feline Leukemia that cats can get and it's not so good when they do." Will keep you posted about Avis, Kris From: Alice Flowers To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 3:44:59 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Kris-Avis ...me n Murphy and some random thoughts Kris-just looking back over the past 2 years with the 6 kitties, as a total amateur on FeLV, here are some of my random thoughts. Interferon-Good-I am glad to be giving it-not a cure, but it may keep the virus somewhat at bay. LTCI-it gave me alot of hope, and still does-but for cats like mine who are infected from a very young age or in utero, I feel it helps them develop a stronger immune system than they would normally have. They seemed to not get URIs after we began the LTCI. My only experience is with the one litter of 5 feral kitties and Murphy, a sweetie who ended up in the same colony-either a throw away, or lost. There are people here that have so much more knowledge and have helped lots of rescued kitties with FeLV-probably not giving all the stuff, but that's fine-It's very expensive and I don't think it's really a cure anyway. But they are giving the cats a chance to live and be cared for, maybe for the first time ever-they were probably going to be euthanized quickly at the shelters. They are giving them a loving touch, maybe a sunny window to snooze in. I could not do rescue-Bless all those that do. I have tunnel vision when it comes to my babies. I look at Murphy and know we are on borrowed time now-he's only 2 1/2 (I didn't count on my fingers the other day and typed 1 1/2-LOL) but as long as he is comfortable and happy go lucky, we continue the little battles. He waits in the kitchen for his meds morning and night-takes less than a minute for the Interferon and the 3 capsules. He eats like a horse most days. He is Rosie's only companion now since her 4 brothers passed. She will be running around the house in the middle of the night, wailing when he passes, looking for him like she did for her brothers. That makes me really sad, plus he is my little shadow when I'm not at work. I guess it's a melancholy Sunday for this old lady-LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl & Natalie!!)
Sounds like a good plan. The diff. between Pet-Tinic and NutriVed is the NutriVed contains folic acid. On the 'how bad do they taste' scale NutriVed may taste a little worse. If you go with Pet-Tinic you can always added folic acid. I prefer either powdered supplements or those in a capsule. Easier to mix in food or water than grinding up a tablet. Something we haven't talked about in a while is L-lysine. It is available as a powder on line. I buy it by the lb and add it to the water for my house kitties and the 2 groups of ferals I feed. Seem to help keep herpes infections at bay which most rescues have. I also add it to the canned food I put out for the feral colonies. Figure they need all the help they can get. Hugs to Avis Sharyl --- On Sun, 10/3/10, nise...@yahoo.com wrote: > From: nise...@yahoo.com > Subject: [Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl & > Natalie!!) > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 2:24 PM > After pondering the excellent advice > of Alice, Sharyl and Natalie, and scouring > the FeLV archives, I think I've come up with a reasonable > treatment plan to > propose to my wonderful, open & supportive vet. Any > comments would be much > appreciated. > > Recap: Avis is an approx 21 month old neutered male, > rescued from an Avis > parking lot when he was about 9 months, bounced around for > about 8 months, > living with us the last 4 months. A 9/27 CBC prior to > a minor eye procedure > requiring general anesthesia revealed non-regenerative > anemia: HCT at 21%, RBC > at 4.37, Retic < 1%. The subsequent 9/28 FeLV/FIV > test was positive. Beyond > somewhat pale gums and a little lower energy compared to > other young cats (no > wild acrobatics for Avis!) he is physically fine right now. > 11 lbs & eats like > a champ, uses litterbox regularly, keeps his glossy soft > coat perfectly groomed, > chases Max the Dog all over the house, spends hours > twitching his tail at the > squirrels on the other side of the window. > > Treatment Plan: > 1. Diet - continue with daily 5.5 oz can of Wellness Wet > Food and a 1/3 cup of > California Naturals Chicken & Brown Rice dry food. > After 4 months of trying to > wean Avis off his dry food addiction, this is the balance > we've mutually agreed > to! He eats it all up and hits the water bowl pretty good > once or twice a day. > > 2. Treats - about 8 pieces of Greenies baked dry cat treats > each day, he LOVES > them and they do seem to have some vitamins added. > > > 3. Supplements - either Pet-tinic or NutriVed. Still > researching. > > 4. Immediately start LTCI injections. Given that results > from only a few formal > studies are currently available, I view the LTCI regime as > sort of an unofficial > phase II clinical trial. But given Avis' prognosis, it > is definitely worth > trying. > > > 5. Immediately start on 2x daily Interferon Alpha (unless > there is some way I > can get Interferon Omega from Europe). Anecdotally, this > seems to help some > cats, and has been safely given to FeLV+ cats for several > years. Again, well > worth trying. > > 6. Keep the big guns like Epogen & Prednilosone in > reserve for when the HCT goes > below 20% or he starts to feel weak and lose appetite. > > 7. Stable, stress free environment and lots of love. > > That's it! Thoughts from the FeLV community? > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Kris-Avis ...me n Murphy and some random thoughts
Kris-just looking back over the past 2 years with the 6 kitties, as a total amateur on FeLV, here are some of my random thoughts. Interferon-Good-I am glad to be giving it-not a cure, but it may keep the virus somewhat at bay. LTCI-it gave me alot of hope, and still does-but for cats like mine who are infected from a very young age or in utero, I feel it helps them develop a stronger immune system than they would normally have. They seemed to not get URIs after we began the LTCI. My only experience is with the one litter of 5 feral kitties and Murphy, a sweetie who ended up in the same colony-either a throw away, or lost. There are people here that have so much more knowledge and have helped lots of rescued kitties with FeLV-probably not giving all the stuff, but that's fine-It's very expensive and I don't think it's really a cure anyway. But they are giving the cats a chance to live and be cared for, maybe for the first time ever-they were probably going to be euthanized quickly at the shelters. They are giving them a loving touch, maybe a sunny window to snooze in. I could not do rescue-Bless all those that do. I have tunnel vision when it comes to my babies. I look at Murphy and know we are on borrowed time now-he's only 2 1/2 (I didn't count on my fingers the other day and typed 1 1/2-LOL) but as long as he is comfortable and happy go lucky, we continue the little battles. He waits in the kitchen for his meds morning and night-takes less than a minute for the Interferon and the 3 capsules. He eats like a horse most days. He is Rosie's only companion now since her 4 brothers passed. She will be running around the house in the middle of the night, wailing when he passes, looking for him like she did for her brothers. That makes me really sad, plus he is my little shadow when I'm not at work. I guess it's a melancholy Sunday for this old lady-LOL ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Avis treatment plan (BIG thanks to Alice, Sharyl & Natalie!!)
After pondering the excellent advice of Alice, Sharyl and Natalie, and scouring the FeLV archives, I think I've come up with a reasonable treatment plan to propose to my wonderful, open & supportive vet. Any comments would be much appreciated. Recap: Avis is an approx 21 month old neutered male, rescued from an Avis parking lot when he was about 9 months, bounced around for about 8 months, living with us the last 4 months. A 9/27 CBC prior to a minor eye procedure requiring general anesthesia revealed non-regenerative anemia: HCT at 21%, RBC at 4.37, Retic < 1%. The subsequent 9/28 FeLV/FIV test was positive. Beyond somewhat pale gums and a little lower energy compared to other young cats (no wild acrobatics for Avis!) he is physically fine right now. 11 lbs & eats like a champ, uses litterbox regularly, keeps his glossy soft coat perfectly groomed, chases Max the Dog all over the house, spends hours twitching his tail at the squirrels on the other side of the window. Treatment Plan: 1. Diet - continue with daily 5.5 oz can of Wellness Wet Food and a 1/3 cup of California Naturals Chicken & Brown Rice dry food. After 4 months of trying to wean Avis off his dry food addiction, this is the balance we've mutually agreed to! He eats it all up and hits the water bowl pretty good once or twice a day. 2. Treats - about 8 pieces of Greenies baked dry cat treats each day, he LOVES them and they do seem to have some vitamins added. 3. Supplements - either Pet-tinic or NutriVed. Still researching. 4. Immediately start LTCI injections. Given that results from only a few formal studies are currently available, I view the LTCI regime as sort of an unofficial phase II clinical trial. But given Avis' prognosis, it is definitely worth trying. 5. Immediately start on 2x daily Interferon Alpha (unless there is some way I can get Interferon Omega from Europe). Anecdotally, this seems to help some cats, and has been safely given to FeLV+ cats for several years. Again, well worth trying. 6. Keep the big guns like Epogen & Prednilosone in reserve for when the HCT goes below 20% or he starts to feel weak and lose appetite. 7. Stable, stress free environment and lots of love. That's it! Thoughts from the FeLV community? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
