Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

2011-03-30 Thread dana giordano
I'm so glad you found her and helped her. Just knowing someone was
therein some ways I'm sure she was aware there was caring and love
surrounding her finally -  and now when you meet again someday, she'll tell
you so.

So glad to know people like you people. What you do is so important and so
hard. You make the world a better place - a place I want to be, and a reason
why I think we're here (and given thumbs! lol)  in the first place.


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On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:47 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 This is so sad, that pople hve no compssion for a creature in pain.  Even
 worse, those same people usually do not have compassion for suffering
 people.  Thak you for caring and giving her some comfort in her last hours.


  Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote:
  So heartbreaking. Thank you for doing what you could. It is so sad to
 think
  about how many more there are out there. So many people just look the
 other
  way...Bless you for your compassionate heart.
   Jannes
 
 
 
 
  
  From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 5:56:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(
 
  Aww. This hurts my heart. But bless you for bringing her in and giving
 her a
  caring passage and people to grieve her. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to
 little
  Lola.
 
  Diane R.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
  Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:06 AM
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(
 
  Got a call at 5pm yesterday that someone had seen a kitty in the ATM
 drive
  thru lane at a local bank. I ran up there  didn't see a thing at first.
 She
  was a tiny brown tabby sitting so still in the leaves that I didn't even
 see
  her. She blended right in. She was so cold  wet  could barely make a
  sound. I put her in a carrier wrapped in a towel  met some other
 volunteers
  who took her to the emergency vet.
  She was so cold her temp didn't even register. She was FeLV positive 
 had
  severe ulcers in her mouth. The vet estimated her to be about 2 years old
  though she looked like she was only 3 months old. After some time trying
 to
  raise her temp they determined the best thing was to euthanize her. Her
  heart was barely pumping.
  I named her Lola so she would have a name before going over the Rainbow
  Bridge.
  It is so sad to think how long she may have been there  how many people
 saw
  her  just kept going without a second thought. What a sad story. Even
  sadder because I know she is just one of many who meet their end this
 way.
  At least she had a name :(
 
  Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS

2011-03-30 Thread Sharyl
Alice,
You and your dear husband tried so hard to save these babies.  I was saddened 
to read that Rosie has joined Murphy and her brothers at the Rainbow Bridge.    
We love them, care for them and in the end let them go.  You gave Rosie the 
greatest gift you could - her freedom from suffering.  
 
We all understand the pain you are feeling.  Rosie is now happily romping in 
the green meadows chasing butterflies with all our Angels.  You both are in my 
thoughts and prayers.
Sharyl

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From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [Folktale] Please add Rosie to CLS
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 11:09 PM


Rosie passed last night, I could not bear to watch her wasting away. The 
Lymphoma had
beat her. We had her on Pred and Lutheran-which shrank the mass near her throat 
the
first week, then it came back with a vengeance the next week. We increased it 
to 
every 
other day on the Leukeran to no avail. She was also on Lasix, Lysine, iron, b 
vitamins,
Interferon. She always came into the kitchen and waited for me to give her the 
meds,
but the last few days she began to clamp her jaw, like enough. She was being 
syringe fed,
she couldn't eat-the mass in her neck got so large and hard. Her eyes became 
empty and
she just wanted to hide, she was miserable. When I came home from work last 
night, I 
knew it was time. Thank you to the wonderful vets and staff at Sacramento Cat 
Hospital
for staying late so we could help Rosie join her man, Murphy at the bridge-he 
passed in
October from Lymphoma and anemia. Rosie is our 6th and last FeLV kitty-her 4 
brothers
passed in their first year from anemia, despite all  our efforts. I have never 
felt so defeated
and empty in my life. I did not have a clue about FeLV when we rescued the 
feral 
babies.
It has been a long and sad 2 years, Rosie and Murphy each just made it to 2 1/2 
yrs old.
Bless all of you fighting this battle-it is a long, and difficult journey, but 
these babies deserve
all the love in the world.  Alice with Miso and Sachi-the 2 negatives we 
adopted 
when Rosie
got so depressed when she was left alone after Murphy passed.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS

2011-03-30 Thread a h

Alice, I am SO SORRY for your loss. It is SO HARD to lose our furchildren. It 
is such a lame phrase to say I know what you are going thru, but I do, as all 
of us do. You are in my heart and thoughts.

Sincerely,
Alice Hanson
 (mother of Miss Clara, Sophie, and Templeton; all of which are on the other 
side of the rainbow playing with your Rosie and Murphy).
  - Original Message - 
  From: Alice Flowersmailto:aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:09 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS


  Rosie passed last night, I could not bear to watch her wasting away. The 
  Lymphoma had
  beat her. We had her on Pred and Leukeran-which shrank the mass near her 
throat 
  the
  first week, then it came back with a vengeance the next week. We increased it 
to 
  every 
  other day on the Leukeran to no avail. She was also on Lasix, Lysine, iron, b 
  vitamins,
  Interferon. She always came into the kitchen and waited for me to give her 
the 
  meds,
  but the last few days she began to clamp her jaw, like enough. She was being 
  syringe fed,
  she couldn't eat-the mass in her neck got so large and hard. Her eyes became 
  empty and
  she just wanted to hide, she was miserable. When I came home from work last 
  night, I 
  knew it was time. Thank you to the wonderful vets and staff at Sacramento Cat 
  Hospital
  for staying late so we could help Rosie join her man, Murphy at the bridge-he 
  passed in
  October from Lymphoma and anemia. Rosie is our 6th and last FeLV kitty-her 4 
  brothers
  passed in their first year from anemia, despite all  our efforts. I have 
never 
  felt so defeated
  and empty in my life. I did not have a clue about FeLV when we rescued the 
feral 
  babies.
  It has been a long and sad 2 years, Rosie and Murphy each just made it to 2 
1/2 
  yrs old.
  Bless all of you fighting this battle-it is a long, and difficult journey, 
but 
  these babies deserve
  all the love in the world.  Alice with Miso and Sachi-the 2 negatives we 
adopted 
  when Rosie
  got so depressed when she was left alone after Murphy passed.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS

2011-03-30 Thread Jannes Taylor
I am so terribley sorry for your loss. I tell my husband everyday what amazing 
people I have corresponded with on this site. Bless you for all that you did 
for Rosie and all the other precious ones.
 Jannes 





From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 10:09:25 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS

Rosie passed last night, I could not bear to watch her wasting away. The 
Lymphoma had
beat her. We had her on Pred and Leukeran-which shrank the mass near her throat 
the
first week, then it came back with a vengeance the next week. We increased it 
to 

every 
other day on the Leukeran to no avail. She was also on Lasix, Lysine, iron, b 
vitamins,
Interferon. She always came into the kitchen and waited for me to give her the 
meds,
but the last few days she began to clamp her jaw, like enough. She was being 
syringe fed,
she couldn't eat-the mass in her neck got so large and hard. Her eyes became 
empty and
she just wanted to hide, she was miserable. When I came home from work last 
night, I 
knew it was time. Thank you to the wonderful vets and staff at Sacramento Cat 
Hospital
for staying late so we could help Rosie join her man, Murphy at the bridge-he 
passed in
October from Lymphoma and anemia. Rosie is our 6th and last FeLV kitty-her 4 
brothers
passed in their first year from anemia, despite all  our efforts. I have never 
felt so defeated
and empty in my life. I did not have a clue about FeLV when we rescued the 
feral 

babies.
It has been a long and sad 2 years, Rosie and Murphy each just made it to 2 1/2 
yrs old.
Bless all of you fighting this battle-it is a long, and difficult journey, but 
these babies deserve
all the love in the world.  Alice with Miso and Sachi-the 2 negatives we 
adopted 

when Rosie
got so depressed when she was left alone after Murphy passed.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS

2011-03-30 Thread Melinda Kerr
So sad for you that you lost Rosie so soon after Murphy.  She brought Miso and 
Sachi into your life so you wouldn't be alone. She knew they would comfort you 
when she was gone.  She and Murphy are together again.

Melinda, Fuji, and VooDoo

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On Mar 30, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Alice,
 You and your dear husband tried so hard to save these babies.  I was saddened 
 to read that Rosie has joined Murphy and her brothers at the Rainbow Bridge.  
   We love them, care for them and in the end let them go.  You gave Rosie the 
 greatest gift you could - her freedom from suffering.  
  
 We all understand the pain you are feeling.  Rosie is now happily romping in 
 the green meadows chasing butterflies with all our Angels.  You both are in 
 my thoughts and prayers.
 Sharyl
 
 --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 
 
 From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: [Folktale] Please add Rosie to CLS
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 11:09 PM
 
 
 Rosie passed last night, I could not bear to watch her wasting away. The 
 Lymphoma had
 beat her. We had her on Pred and Lutheran-which shrank the mass near her 
 throat 
 the
 first week, then it came back with a vengeance the next week. We increased it 
 to 
 every 
 other day on the Leukeran to no avail. She was also on Lasix, Lysine, iron, b 
 vitamins,
 Interferon. She always came into the kitchen and waited for me to give her 
 the 
 meds,
 but the last few days she began to clamp her jaw, like enough. She was being 
 syringe fed,
 she couldn't eat-the mass in her neck got so large and hard. Her eyes became 
 empty and
 she just wanted to hide, she was miserable. When I came home from work last 
 night, I 
 knew it was time. Thank you to the wonderful vets and staff at Sacramento Cat 
 Hospital
 for staying late so we could help Rosie join her man, Murphy at the bridge-he 
 passed in
 October from Lymphoma and anemia. Rosie is our 6th and last FeLV kitty-her 4 
 brothers
 passed in their first year from anemia, despite all  our efforts. I have 
 never 
 felt so defeated
 and empty in my life. I did not have a clue about FeLV when we rescued the 
 feral 
 babies.
 It has been a long and sad 2 years, Rosie and Murphy each just made it to 2 
 1/2 
 yrs old.
 Bless all of you fighting this battle-it is a long, and difficult journey, 
 but 
 these babies deserve
 all the love in the world.  Alice with Miso and Sachi-the 2 negatives we 
 adopted 
 when Rosie
 got so depressed when she was left alone after Murphy passed.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself

2011-03-30 Thread TANYA NOE
I am not sure how long the Vet Jet has been around, at least a couple of years. 
I am hoping that where we are now in NH I can find a clinic that uses it. My 14 
year old neg still gets the FeLV vaccine even though she is highly unlikely to 
get FeLV from Maggie as it is still possible.
I think it is great that you are thinking about taking in more FeLV babies. It 
is still very tough to find them homes and in most shelters and clinics they 
are still unfairly destroyed. Whatever you decide remember it's the quality of 
the years of their lives and not the quantity. 
Good luck,
Tanya

--- On Wed, 3/30/11, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:

 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 1:12 AM
 
 Hadn't heard about the vet jet.  I'll have to ask
 about it.  
  
 Because I didn't know the one cat had the virus until she
 died a few weeks ago most of my cats have lived with her and
 shared food bowls for at least a year and some were with her
 for almost two years.  One vet was kind of saying that
 if they hadn't gotten the virus by now they probably
 wouldn't get it so there wouldn't be a need to vaccinate any
 of my others.  I don't know if he's right or not about
 not vaccinating the negatives.  I've just been tossing
 that idea around.  But then someone was asking me about
 these FeLV + kittens and it got me to thinking about whether
 I should vaccinate if a new member was added.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces
 results that are profitable to the human race or
 doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting
 animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking
 further.” – Mark Twain
 
 
  
  Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:49:28 -0700
  From: sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus
 itself
  
  I think that they are immune for life if they get and
 extinguish the virus. I do not believe that it is a mutating
 virus of any sort, at least not so far. The problem is you
 have no way of knowing for sure that you cat did this unless
 it was positive and is now negative. Cats develop some
 natural immunity with age, it is possible to live together
 for years and not contract it even with repeated exposures.
 If you are concerned about vaccine related sarcomas there
 are FeLv vaccines that are given by the vet jet that is
 considered much safer, that is what we were using at the
 last vet hospital I worked at.
  
  Good luck,
  Tanya
  --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
  
   From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus
 itself
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:30 PM
   
   I've got a question about the FeLV virus
 itself.  Is
   it all the same virus or does it mutate and
 change like the
   herpes virus that causes URI?  What I'm
 wondering is
   that if I've got a cat that has been exposed to
 the virus
   but extinguished it, is he immune for life? 
 Seems like
   I read that.  So if I brought in another
 FeLV + kitty
   and my resident cat has already gotten some
 immunity from
   the virus he had been exposed to in the past,
 does that mean
   being exposed to the virus through another cat
 would be the
   same as the virus that he was first exposed to so
 his
   immunity would work against that virus? 
 Does that make
   sense?  I'm wondering if I brought in
 another FeLV +
   cat would I need to vaccinate my cat that has
 already been
   exposed and extinguished the virus.
   
   Anyone have a clue?  I guess the main
 question is if
   the virus mutates from cat to cat or is it always
 the same
   virus and doesn't change.
   
   “I am not interested to know whether
 vivisection produces
   results that are profitable to the human race or
   doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
 unconsenting
   animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and
 it is to me
   sufficient justification of the enmity without
 looking
   further.” – Mark Twain
   
      
           
             
     
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS

2011-03-30 Thread 2nd Hotmail
It breaks my heart, immensely!!! I am so sorry for your loss!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Rosie passed last night, I could not bear to watch her wasting away. The 
 Lymphoma had
 beat her. We had her on Pred and Leukeran-which shrank the mass near her 
 throat 
 the
 first week, then it came back with a vengeance the next week. We increased it 
 to 
 every 
 other day on the Leukeran to no avail. She was also on Lasix, Lysine, iron, b 
 vitamins,
 Interferon. She always came into the kitchen and waited for me to give her 
 the 
 meds,
 but the last few days she began to clamp her jaw, like enough. She was being 
 syringe fed,
 she couldn't eat-the mass in her neck got so large and hard. Her eyes became 
 empty and
 she just wanted to hide, she was miserable. When I came home from work last 
 night, I 
 knew it was time. Thank you to the wonderful vets and staff at Sacramento Cat 
 Hospital
 for staying late so we could help Rosie join her man, Murphy at the bridge-he 
 passed in
 October from Lymphoma and anemia. Rosie is our 6th and last FeLV kitty-her 4 
 brothers
 passed in their first year from anemia, despite all  our efforts. I have 
 never 
 felt so defeated
 and empty in my life. I did not have a clue about FeLV when we rescued the 
 feral 
 babies.
 It has been a long and sad 2 years, Rosie and Murphy each just made it to 2 
 1/2 
 yrs old.
 Bless all of you fighting this battle-it is a long, and difficult journey, 
 but 
 these babies deserve
 all the love in the world.  Alice with Miso and Sachi-the 2 negatives we 
 adopted 
 when Rosie
 got so depressed when she was left alone after Murphy passed.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS

2011-03-30 Thread Heather Clark
My heart aches for your loss.  You gave Rosie, Murphy, and her brothers all
you could.  They were safe, loved, and comfortable.  Bless you for taking
such good care of them and knowing when to let them cross the bridge.  You
will be in my thoughts and prayers.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Android

On Mar 30, 2011 8:15 AM, 2nd Hotmail cstet...@hotmail.com wrote:

It breaks my heart, immensely!!! I am so sorry for your loss!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS

2011-03-30 Thread Beth
Oh Alice my heart breaks for you. I know how much you loved Rosie  Murphy. It 
definitely showed in your posts. Be thankful you had these beautiful little 
souls to grace your life.
Hugs to you.
Beth
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--- On Tue, 3/29/11, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 11:09 PM

Rosie passed last night, I could not bear to watch her wasting away. The 
Lymphoma had
beat her. We had her on Pred and Leukeran-which shrank the mass near her throat 
the
first week, then it came back with a vengeance the next week. We increased it 
to 
every 
other day on the Leukeran to no avail. She was also on Lasix, Lysine, iron, b 
vitamins,
Interferon. She always came into the kitchen and waited for me to give her the 
meds,
but the last few days she began to clamp her jaw, like enough. She was being 
syringe fed,
she couldn't eat-the mass in her neck got so large and hard. Her eyes became 
empty and
she just wanted to hide, she was miserable. When I came home from work last 
night, I 
knew it was time. Thank you to the wonderful vets and staff at Sacramento Cat 
Hospital
for staying late so we could help Rosie join her man, Murphy at the bridge-he 
passed in
October from Lymphoma and anemia. Rosie is our 6th and last FeLV kitty-her 4 
brothers
passed in their first year from anemia, despite all  our efforts. I have never 
felt so defeated
and empty in my life. I did not have a clue about FeLV when we rescued the 
feral 
babies.
It has been a long and sad 2 years, Rosie and Murphy each just made it to 2 1/2 
yrs old.
Bless all of you fighting this battle-it is a long, and difficult journey, but 
these babies deserve
all the love in the world.  Alice with Miso and Sachi-the 2 negatives we 
adopted 
when Rosie
got so depressed when she was left alone after Murphy passed.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

2011-03-30 Thread Katy Doyle
My animals love all of the Blue Buffalo flavors (cats and dog), I'm lucky
because mine are not picky eaters. However, they tend to throw up when they
eat other brands... I can't figure out why. So I've started by mixing Purina
Hairball with the Blue Buffalo to make it stretch longer.

I'm also going to start to cook up some meat for them as a supplement. :-)
Buddy LOVES roast beef! Weird right?

Cat litter, I go to Sam's (or Costco, depends on where you live) and get the
50 lb bag of clay cat litter for $7 and mix it with the nicer clumping
litter. It still works great and it stretches the good stuff further.
I don't know anything about reverse mortgages, I just bought my first house
(I'm 23) about a hear ago. Having special needs cats is difficult when money
is tight and I'm just starting out on my own.

--Katy



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 My pride is on Blue Buffalo DUCK.  For some reason, they do not like
 chicken no matter what brand of food.  Occassionaly, I get them some
 Mackeral canned for humans and they love it, broth only.  Why they don't eat
 the meat I don't know.  It seems that the stronge the smell, the better they
 like it.  Salmon also turns them off.  Turkey is so so.  Beef is also so so.
  Saw a food the other day that is buffalo meat, thought I might try it.  Do
 know one thing, these healthy foods are breaking the bank.  7 cats go thru 2
 bags a month (x $33.00 per bag.
 I have found a cheaper source of litter.  They like World's Best which is
 made from corn.  I can cut cost more by buying horse bedding made from
 coursely ground corn and corn cobs.  Doesn't work too good with the
 scoopers, but does the job of stopping odor and clumps well enough.  Things
 are getting tight, money wise and am going back to work at 70 as soon as I
 get a job of some kind.  SS does not cut it when heating bills go up and
 insurance costs are added in.  Has anyone had experience with reverse
 mortgagees?  Been thinking about that.  At least it would keep the cats and
 I in our home.
   Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote:
  They aren't thrilled w. Turkey but LOVE that Sardines, Shrimp  Crab.  We
  rotate through the different flavors cause we wouldn't want the little
  buggers to get bored with their food-LOL.  They finally agreed to all eat
  some Blue Buffalo Lite dry but it took a bit of doing.  They're not
 spoiled
  or anything!
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
  Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:25 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
 
  My cats eat canned Wellness but only the salmon and turkey flavor.  Go
  figure.
  They *Love* Prarie chicken dryed catfood.  It's pretty good
  nutrition-wise.  And no, it's not made out of 'prarie chickens'...
  ~Bonnie
  - Original Message -
  From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
 
 
   They can be fussy, can't they! LOL  My brood eats wellness canned but
   when I tried wellness dry as supplement, they turned up their noses.
   Have a friend who had a cat that lived to her early 20's--wouldn't eat
   anything xcept 9-Lives (which is not the worst food in the world).
  
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes
   Taylor
   Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:41 AM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
  
   I have found that my cats, even Amber my felv cat does not care for
   the more expensive/healthy food. I fed her that at first and after
   she got past her starvation mode,(a time when she was grateful for
   anything to eat), she would not eat it as well. I switched to the Meow
   Mix shredded with gravy and they all love that. I tried feeding my
   other cats the healthy stuff as well and they tried to cover it up
   like it was a bowel movement..LOL.
  
   Amber will eat cooked chicken but my other cats won't eat anything but
   cat food.
  
   I aree with supplementing their junk food cat food with real meat if
   you can get them to eat it. I am feeding Amber the Fancy Feast brand
   as well, but it not really a healthy brand... It is not cheap in
   price though.
  
   Jannes
  
  
  
  
   
   From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Mon, March 28, 2011 8:47:40 AM
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
  
   You may want to supplement what ever food you chose with chicken,
   ground beef or tuna. I've been able to get whole chicken at 69 or 79
   cents a pound near the end of sell by date and recently picked up a
   couple of hundred cans of tuna at
   39 cents each. When you figure out the per pound price you are paying
   a lot less 

Re: [Felvtalk] Fish for cats

2011-03-30 Thread Katy Doyle
Oh wow, thanks for that heads up!

Of my two cats, only one will eat fish product, Chloe. Buddy will not touch
the fishy stuff.

--Katy

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:11 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 i HAVE ALSO HEARD THAT FISH IN THEIR FOOD CAN BE A POSSIBLE CAUSE OF
 URINARY TRACT PROBLEMS.  My Homey was having problems and was not esponding
 to treatment.  I got a Chinese herb thing from All Natural online and it did
 the trick.  At the same time I read online about fish being a possible
 contributor to the problem and pulled the treats which were loaded with
 fish.  So far, no more problems.
   Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
  I have always wondered why cats like fish.it's not a natural food for
 them,
  they don't fish...
 
 
 
  Tuna:
 
  Mindy Bough, veterinary technician for the ASPCA Pet Nutrition and
 Science
  Advisory Service, dishes out the facts on this savory feline fave:
 
  An occasional tuna treat for your cat is generally harmless, says
 Bough.
  However, if a large part of the cat's diet consists of tuna--or if the
 cat
  is fed tuna exclusively--some problems are likely to arise.
 
  Tuna does not contain significant amounts of vitamin E, for example, so
 too
  much of the fish can lead to vitamin E deficiency, resulting in yellow
 fat
  disease, or steatitis. Symptoms include loss of appetite, fever and
  hypersensitivity to touch, due to inflammation and necrosis of fat under
 the
  skin. Felines who are fed too much tuna can develop other nutrient
  deficiencies, too, because most de-boned fish are lacking in calcium,
  sodium, iron, copper and several other vitamins.
 
  Mercury, frequently present in tuna, also presents a potential danger.
 At
  low levels, this may not be a concern, explains Bough, but if tuna is
 fed
  nearly exclusively, it could pose significant problems.
 
  The bottom line? I recommend premium commercial food for domestic cats,
  Bough says. These foods are formulated to meet all of a cat's dietary
  needs.
 
 
 
 
 
  http://www.provet.co.uk/petfacts/healthtips/rawfish.htm
 
  Many owners consider fish to be the staple diet of cats - and they
 believe
  that it is beneficial to feed them an exclusively fish ration.
 
  Fish is a good raw ingredient to incorporate into cat foods, but it has
  certain draw backs. Firstly it does not contain all the nutrients that a
 cat
  requires and, like meat, it is deficient in calcium with an inverse
  calcium:phosphorus ratio. Coley (or Saithe) a popular fish with cat
 owners
  in the UK and the fillet cut contains 15-20 mg calcium per 100g but over
 200
  mg phosphorus per 100g, a Ca:P ratio of 1:10. Cod and other white fish
 are
  similar.
 
  If owners are feeding fish bones should be removed to avoid
 complications.
  Fish should be cooked to avoid the possibility of disease transmission.
 
  Salmon poisoning has been recorded in cats which contracted the disease
  caused by Neorickettsiae spp from eating raw salmon or trout. This
 disease
  occurs within 2 weeks of the ingestion of infected food and causes the
  following signs :
 
  * Depression
  * Fever
  * Lymphadenopathy - swelling of the lymph nodes
  * Oculonasal discharge
  * Haematemesis - vomiting blood
  * Diarrhoea
  * Death - 90% in untreated cases.
 
  Diagnosis is confirmed by finding trematode eggs in faeces samples, or
  rickettsiae in lymph node samples.
 
  Clinical cases of thiamine deficiency are periodically seen by
 veterinarians
  due to cats being fed  fish - as commercially prepared canned food, or as
  raw fish. Thiamin (vitamin B1) is an essential dietary nutrient for cats.
  Processing can destroy thiamine in a food, and so reduce the initial
  concentrations present at canning, and some fish (including herring and
  carp) contain the thiaminase which will destroy thiamine.
 
  Clinical signs of thiamine deficiency include :
 
  * Anorexia
  * Ataxia - 2-3 days later
  * Vomiting
  * Convulsions - short
  * Dilation of the pupils
  * Ventroflexion of the neck (Chastek's paralysis)
 
  Affected patients will die unless treatment is administered (100-250 mg
  thiamine IV or SC twice daily). In most cases a complete recovery can be
  expected in treated cases unless severe central nervous system has
 occurred.
 
 
  Confirmation of diagnosis is not readily available :
 
  * Increased plasma pyruvate
  * Increased plasma lactate
  * Reduced erythrocyte trans-ketolase activity (a thiamine-dependant
  enzyme)
 
  Some fish are particularly high in oil content, and pansteatitis or
 yellow
  fat disease is caused by the intake of too much fat in the absence of
  adequate antioxidant. Red-meat tuna has been reported to be particularly
  involved as a cause of this in cats. The cause of the disease is
  accumulation of peroxides - the end product of rancidification of fat -
 in
  the cats adipose tissue causing yellow-brown discolouration.
 
  Clinical signs of 

Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS

2011-03-30 Thread Sara Kasteleyn
Alice our hearts are breaking with yours.  You did absolutely everything you 
could do for her, but knowing that doesn't ease your pain in this moment.

We'll light a candle tonight for this very special and very loved girl.  Sara


--Original Mail--
From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:09:25 -0700 PDT
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS

Rosie passed last night, I could not bear to watch her wasting away. The 
Lymphoma had
beat her. We had her on Pred and Leukeran-which shrank the mass near her throat 
the
first week, then it came back with a vengeance the next week. We increased it 
to 
every 
other day on the Leukeran to no avail. She was also on Lasix, Lysine, iron, b 
vitamins,
Interferon. She always came into the kitchen and waited for me to give her the 
meds,
but the last few days she began to clamp her jaw, like enough. She was being 
syringe fed,
she couldn't eat-the mass in her neck got so large and hard. Her eyes became 
empty and
she just wanted to hide, she was miserable. When I came home from work last 
night, I 
knew it was time. Thank you to the wonderful vets and staff at Sacramento Cat 
Hospital
for staying late so we could help Rosie join her man, Murphy at the bridge-he 
passed in
October from Lymphoma and anemia. Rosie is our 6th and last FeLV kitty-her 4 
brothers
passed in their first year from anemia, despite all our efforts. I have never 
felt so defeated
and empty in my life. I did not have a clue about FeLV when we rescued the 
feral 
babies.
It has been a long and sad 2 years, Rosie and Murphy each just made it to 2 1/2 
yrs old.
Bless all of you fighting this battle-it is a long, and difficult journey, but 
these babies deserve
all the love in the world. Alice with Miso and Sachi-the 2 negatives we adopted 
when Rosie
got so depressed when she was left alone after Murphy passed.
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[Felvtalk] Rosie

2011-03-30 Thread Amy
Alice,

I'm so sorry to hear about Rosie.  I have followed your journey closely always 
hoping and praying your kitties would beat this.  I started my journey with a 
leuk positive mom and 3 kitties (Shelby, Mystique, Nirvana and Hannibal) who 
have all since passed so your story hit really close to home for me.  It has 
been so difficult to watch any of my cats go through this but I know it was 
really tough to see the disease take down one family member after another.  I 
hope you find peace in knowing they are all together again.  So sorry.

Amy  

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[Felvtalk] Change of topic - X-O

2011-03-30 Thread Natalie
 

I have used X-O for quite a few years - it is the best odor eliminator and
cleaner I have ever tried!  It comes in two formulas, odor neutralizer and
odor neutralizer  cleaner - concentrated form that you dilute - lasts
forever! The best buy is from Amazon, you can also find free shipping. Great
for all things around the house - even sprayed into litter box, makes it
smell nice!

 



Spray Your Cat's Environment with a Dander-Digesting Product 


Anywhere that your cat spends a lot of time, dander can accumulate. These
areas can (and should) be cleaned by treating them with a dander-destroying
spray. That includes a cat condo or cat tree, the backs of chairs and sofas,
wall-to-wall carpeting and area rugs, and cat beds (or dog beds if the cats
also spend time snoozing on them). A great spray to look for is X-O, a
biodegradable organic product that is a cleaner and odor neutralizer,
originally designed for use directly on humans in hospitals. It can be
sprayed anywhere kitty has left an odor.

Radio show host and pet expert Tracie Hotchner is the author of The Dog
Bible and The Cat Bible.


 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

2011-03-30 Thread MaiMaiPG
Pine horse bedding works well for a litter.  My guys came from a pine  
thicket so it works really well with them.  40 pounds for $8 (?).  Of  
course I change it a lot more often than the clay but I can throw it  
in a field or use it as mulch or whatever (turns to sawdust).  Sounds  
like you have the litter issue down though.  Raw (for people who like  
it) meat and lightly cooked with lots of juices really extends food  
and it is truly good for cats.  A neighbor just gave me two large  
roasts that had some freezer burnmy friends don't mind.  As far as  
fish including mackeral and salmonI break teh pieces into  
something akin to mush and mix some extra water in...then let it sit  
for a few minutes or more.  The ferals get more water and eat the fish.


Glad for the information on Purina Hairball.  It is hard to know what  
ferals need.  Does anyone have experience with ringworm and ferals?


I don't know if any of these guys are FeLV+ or not.  I have refused to  
have them tested.  They have been together for so long that it just  
doesn't matter (re passing the virus on) and I do the very best I can  
for them health wise.



On Mar 30, 2011, at 8:20 AM, Katy Doyle wrote:

My animals love all of the Blue Buffalo flavors (cats and dog), I'm  
lucky
because mine are not picky eaters. However, they tend to throw up  
when they
eat other brands... I can't figure out why. So I've started by  
mixing Purina

Hairball with the Blue Buffalo to make it stretch longer.

I'm also going to start to cook up some meat for them as a  
supplement. :-)

Buddy LOVES roast beef! Weird right?

Cat litter, I go to Sam's (or Costco, depends on where you live) and  
get the
50 lb bag of clay cat litter for $7 and mix it with the nicer  
clumping

litter. It still works great and it stretches the good stuff further.
I don't know anything about reverse mortgages, I just bought my  
first house
(I'm 23) about a hear ago. Having special needs cats is difficult  
when money

is tight and I'm just starting out on my own.

--Katy



On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:38 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

My pride is on Blue Buffalo DUCK.  For some reason, they do not  
like

chicken no matter what brand of food.  Occassionaly, I get them some
Mackeral canned for humans and they love it, broth only.  Why they  
don't eat
the meat I don't know.  It seems that the stronge the smell, the  
better they
like it.  Salmon also turns them off.  Turkey is so so.  Beef is  
also so so.
Saw a food the other day that is buffalo meat, thought I might try  
it.  Do
know one thing, these healthy foods are breaking the bank.  7 cats  
go thru 2

bags a month (x $33.00 per bag.
I have found a cheaper source of litter.  They like World's Best  
which is
made from corn.  I can cut cost more by buying horse bedding made  
from

coursely ground corn and corn cobs.  Doesn't work too good with the
scoopers, but does the job of stopping odor and clumps well  
enough.  Things
are getting tight, money wise and am going back to work at 70 as  
soon as I
get a job of some kind.  SS does not cut it when heating bills go  
up and

insurance costs are added in.  Has anyone had experience with reverse
mortgagees?  Been thinking about that.  At least it would keep the  
cats and

I in our home.
 Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote:
They aren't thrilled w. Turkey but LOVE that Sardines, Shrimp   
Crab.  We
rotate through the different flavors cause we wouldn't want the  
little
buggers to get bored with their food-LOL.  They finally agreed to  
all eat

some Blue Buffalo Lite dry but it took a bit of doing.  They're not

spoiled

or anything!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie  
Hogue

Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

My cats eat canned Wellness but only the salmon and turkey  
flavor.  Go

figure.
They *Love* Prarie chicken dryed catfood.  It's pretty good
nutrition-wise.  And no, it's not made out of 'prarie chickens'...
~Bonnie
- Original Message -
From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof


They can be fussy, can't they! LOL  My brood eats wellness canned  
but
when I tried wellness dry as supplement, they turned up their  
noses.
Have a friend who had a cat that lived to her early 20's-- 
wouldn't eat

anything xcept 9-Lives (which is not the worst food in the world).

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes
Taylor
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

I have found that my cats, even Amber my felv cat does not care for
the more expensive/healthy food. I fed her that at first and  
after

she got past her 

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

2011-03-30 Thread Christiane Biagi
Ringworm can be tricky...  Had a kitten who I brought up from a shelter who
had it.  Not the worst thing in the world but untreated, it will spread 
harm cat.  Vet gave me a liquid to apply  in  a few weeks, it cleared up.
There's also a pill medicine that can be used but it does have a bit more
risk.  Have a friend who has been using the generic people ringworm paste
for years  says it works fine--a lot cheaper than prescription.  Are these
cats that you could apply a lotion on?  If so, I can ask what human stuff
she uses  how much..  If not, I can dig around for info on the pills.  

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

Pine horse bedding works well for a litter.  My guys came from a pine
thicket so it works really well with them.  40 pounds for $8 (?).  Of course
I change it a lot more often than the clay but I can throw it in a field or
use it as mulch or whatever (turns to sawdust).  Sounds like you have the
litter issue down though.  Raw (for people who like
it) meat and lightly cooked with lots of juices really extends food and it
is truly good for cats.  A neighbor just gave me two large roasts that had
some freezer burnmy friends don't mind.  As far as fish including
mackeral and salmonI break teh pieces into something akin to mush and
mix some extra water in...then let it sit for a few minutes or more.  The
ferals get more water and eat the fish.

Glad for the information on Purina Hairball.  It is hard to know what ferals
need.  Does anyone have experience with ringworm and ferals?

I don't know if any of these guys are FeLV+ or not.  I have refused to have
them tested.  They have been together for so long that it just doesn't
matter (re passing the virus on) and I do the very best I can for them
health wise.


On Mar 30, 2011, at 8:20 AM, Katy Doyle wrote:

 My animals love all of the Blue Buffalo flavors (cats and dog), I'm 
 lucky because mine are not picky eaters. However, they tend to throw 
 up when they eat other brands... I can't figure out why. So I've 
 started by mixing Purina Hairball with the Blue Buffalo to make it 
 stretch longer.

 I'm also going to start to cook up some meat for them as a supplement. 
 :-) Buddy LOVES roast beef! Weird right?

 Cat litter, I go to Sam's (or Costco, depends on where you live) and 
 get the
 50 lb bag of clay cat litter for $7 and mix it with the nicer  
 clumping
 litter. It still works great and it stretches the good stuff further.
 I don't know anything about reverse mortgages, I just bought my first 
 house (I'm 23) about a hear ago. Having special needs cats is 
 difficult when money is tight and I'm just starting out on my own.

 --Katy



 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:38 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 My pride is on Blue Buffalo DUCK.  For some reason, they do not 
 like chicken no matter what brand of food.  Occassionaly, I get them 
 some Mackeral canned for humans and they love it, broth only.  Why 
 they don't eat the meat I don't know.  It seems that the stronge the 
 smell, the better they like it.  Salmon also turns them off.  Turkey 
 is so so.  Beef is also so so.
 Saw a food the other day that is buffalo meat, thought I might try 
 it.  Do know one thing, these healthy foods are breaking the bank.  7 
 cats go thru 2 bags a month (x $33.00 per bag.
 I have found a cheaper source of litter.  They like World's Best 
 which is made from corn.  I can cut cost more by buying horse bedding 
 made from coursely ground corn and corn cobs.  Doesn't work too good 
 with the scoopers, but does the job of stopping odor and clumps well 
 enough.  Things are getting tight, money wise and am going back to 
 work at 70 as soon as I get a job of some kind.  SS does not cut it 
 when heating bills go up and insurance costs are added in.  Has 
 anyone had experience with reverse mortgagees?  Been thinking about 
 that.  At least it would keep the cats and I in our home.
  Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote:
 They aren't thrilled w. Turkey but LOVE that Sardines, Shrimp  
 Crab.  We rotate through the different flavors cause we wouldn't 
 want the little buggers to get bored with their food-LOL.  They 
 finally agreed to all eat some Blue Buffalo Lite dry but it took a 
 bit of doing.  They're not
 spoiled
 or anything!

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie 
 Hogue
 Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:25 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

 My cats eat canned Wellness but only the salmon and turkey flavor.  
 Go figure.
 They *Love* Prarie chicken dryed catfood.  It's pretty good 
 nutrition-wise.  And no, it's not made out of 'prarie chickens'...
 ~Bonnie
 - Original Message -
 From: 

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

2011-03-30 Thread MaiMaiPG
These guys are wonderful but not the kind you can put medicine on.   
For numerous very good reasons, they consider me a good source of  
food, the area a good source of shelter and that is it. I can touch  
them sometimes and have tnr them (the price of the above) but good  
contact isn't an option.  And when things go in the food, all of them  
n=may get it.  This isn't bad since they are a very close crew,  
napping, eating and hanging out together.  I suspect that they get the  
same problems so mass treatment isn't a bad thing.  Any information is  
truly appreciated.  Three of the five cats showed up at older ages.   
We just go through treating one at the vets' for a tick borne disease  
(tick found on 12/27 when no tick should be around in southern KY)-- 
read $1000+ vet bill but Red is healthy and happy right now.   Like I  
said, we do what we can do.  	



On Mar 30, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote:

Ringworm can be tricky...  Had a kitten who I brought up from a  
shelter who
had it.  Not the worst thing in the world but untreated, it will  
spread 
harm cat.  Vet gave me a liquid to apply  in  a few weeks, it  
cleared up.
There's also a pill medicine that can be used but it does have a bit  
more
risk.  Have a friend who has been using the generic people ringworm  
paste
for years  says it works fine--a lot cheaper than prescription.   
Are these
cats that you could apply a lotion on?  If so, I can ask what human  
stuff

she uses  how much..  If not, I can dig around for info on the pills.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

Pine horse bedding works well for a litter.  My guys came from a pine
thicket so it works really well with them.  40 pounds for $8 (?).   
Of course
I change it a lot more often than the clay but I can throw it in a  
field or
use it as mulch or whatever (turns to sawdust).  Sounds like you  
have the

litter issue down though.  Raw (for people who like
it) meat and lightly cooked with lots of juices really extends food  
and it
is truly good for cats.  A neighbor just gave me two large roasts  
that had

some freezer burnmy friends don't mind.  As far as fish including
mackeral and salmonI break teh pieces into something akin to  
mush and
mix some extra water in...then let it sit for a few minutes or  
more.  The

ferals get more water and eat the fish.

Glad for the information on Purina Hairball.  It is hard to know  
what ferals

need.  Does anyone have experience with ringworm and ferals?

I don't know if any of these guys are FeLV+ or not.  I have refused  
to have

them tested.  They have been together for so long that it just doesn't
matter (re passing the virus on) and I do the very best I can for them
health wise.


On Mar 30, 2011, at 8:20 AM, Katy Doyle wrote:


My animals love all of the Blue Buffalo flavors (cats and dog), I'm
lucky because mine are not picky eaters. However, they tend to throw
up when they eat other brands... I can't figure out why. So I've
started by mixing Purina Hairball with the Blue Buffalo to make it
stretch longer.

I'm also going to start to cook up some meat for them as a  
supplement.

:-) Buddy LOVES roast beef! Weird right?

Cat litter, I go to Sam's (or Costco, depends on where you live) and
get the
50 lb bag of clay cat litter for $7 and mix it with the nicer
clumping
litter. It still works great and it stretches the good stuff further.
I don't know anything about reverse mortgages, I just bought my first
house (I'm 23) about a hear ago. Having special needs cats is
difficult when money is tight and I'm just starting out on my own.

--Katy



On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:38 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:


My pride is on Blue Buffalo DUCK.  For some reason, they do not
like chicken no matter what brand of food.  Occassionaly, I get them
some Mackeral canned for humans and they love it, broth only.  Why
they don't eat the meat I don't know.  It seems that the stronge the
smell, the better they like it.  Salmon also turns them off.  Turkey
is so so.  Beef is also so so.
Saw a food the other day that is buffalo meat, thought I might try
it.  Do know one thing, these healthy foods are breaking the  
bank.  7

cats go thru 2 bags a month (x $33.00 per bag.
I have found a cheaper source of litter.  They like World's Best
which is made from corn.  I can cut cost more by buying horse  
bedding

made from coursely ground corn and corn cobs.  Doesn't work too good
with the scoopers, but does the job of stopping odor and clumps well
enough.  Things are getting tight, money wise and am going back to
work at 70 as soon as I get a job of some kind.  SS does not cut it
when heating bills go up and insurance costs are added in.  Has
anyone had experience with reverse mortgagees?  Been thinking about
that.  At least it 

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

2011-03-30 Thread Natalie
I have never had ringworm, yet...but that stuff is very dangerous if
overused or not the right dosage.  I've heard of kittens and cats dying, and
then the owners blamed the vet...can't tell whose fault it was.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:41 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

Ringworm can be tricky...  Had a kitten who I brought up from a shelter who
had it.  Not the worst thing in the world but untreated, it will spread 
harm cat.  Vet gave me a liquid to apply  in  a few weeks, it cleared up.
There's also a pill medicine that can be used but it does have a bit more
risk.  Have a friend who has been using the generic people ringworm paste
for years  says it works fine--a lot cheaper than prescription.  Are these
cats that you could apply a lotion on?  If so, I can ask what human stuff
she uses  how much..  If not, I can dig around for info on the pills.  

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof

Pine horse bedding works well for a litter.  My guys came from a pine
thicket so it works really well with them.  40 pounds for $8 (?).  Of course
I change it a lot more often than the clay but I can throw it in a field or
use it as mulch or whatever (turns to sawdust).  Sounds like you have the
litter issue down though.  Raw (for people who like
it) meat and lightly cooked with lots of juices really extends food and it
is truly good for cats.  A neighbor just gave me two large roasts that had
some freezer burnmy friends don't mind.  As far as fish including
mackeral and salmonI break teh pieces into something akin to mush and
mix some extra water in...then let it sit for a few minutes or more.  The
ferals get more water and eat the fish.

Glad for the information on Purina Hairball.  It is hard to know what ferals
need.  Does anyone have experience with ringworm and ferals?

I don't know if any of these guys are FeLV+ or not.  I have refused to have
them tested.  They have been together for so long that it just doesn't
matter (re passing the virus on) and I do the very best I can for them
health wise.


On Mar 30, 2011, at 8:20 AM, Katy Doyle wrote:

 My animals love all of the Blue Buffalo flavors (cats and dog), I'm 
 lucky because mine are not picky eaters. However, they tend to throw 
 up when they eat other brands... I can't figure out why. So I've 
 started by mixing Purina Hairball with the Blue Buffalo to make it 
 stretch longer.

 I'm also going to start to cook up some meat for them as a supplement. 
 :-) Buddy LOVES roast beef! Weird right?

 Cat litter, I go to Sam's (or Costco, depends on where you live) and 
 get the
 50 lb bag of clay cat litter for $7 and mix it with the nicer  
 clumping
 litter. It still works great and it stretches the good stuff further.
 I don't know anything about reverse mortgages, I just bought my first 
 house (I'm 23) about a hear ago. Having special needs cats is 
 difficult when money is tight and I'm just starting out on my own.

 --Katy



 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:38 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 My pride is on Blue Buffalo DUCK.  For some reason, they do not 
 like chicken no matter what brand of food.  Occassionaly, I get them 
 some Mackeral canned for humans and they love it, broth only.  Why 
 they don't eat the meat I don't know.  It seems that the stronge the 
 smell, the better they like it.  Salmon also turns them off.  Turkey 
 is so so.  Beef is also so so.
 Saw a food the other day that is buffalo meat, thought I might try 
 it.  Do know one thing, these healthy foods are breaking the bank.  7 
 cats go thru 2 bags a month (x $33.00 per bag.
 I have found a cheaper source of litter.  They like World's Best 
 which is made from corn.  I can cut cost more by buying horse bedding 
 made from coursely ground corn and corn cobs.  Doesn't work too good 
 with the scoopers, but does the job of stopping odor and clumps well 
 enough.  Things are getting tight, money wise and am going back to 
 work at 70 as soon as I get a job of some kind.  SS does not cut it 
 when heating bills go up and insurance costs are added in.  Has 
 anyone had experience with reverse mortgagees?  Been thinking about 
 that.  At least it would keep the cats and I in our home.
  Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote:
 They aren't thrilled w. Turkey but LOVE that Sardines, Shrimp  
 Crab.  We rotate through the different flavors cause we wouldn't 
 want the little buggers to get bored with their food-LOL.  They 
 finally agreed to all eat some Blue Buffalo Lite dry but it took a 
 bit of doing.  They're not
 spoiled
 or anything!

 -Original Message-
 From: 

[Felvtalk] Rosie Lola are safely home - - Bless you - - may others be so gracious to us - - cat's eyes

2011-03-30 Thread czadna sacarawicz

in sights?
 
 
The four t-n-r ferals at Tractor Supply all have weird pupils.  I can pet 3 of 
the four.
 
I picked up Henry and brought him home Sunday night because he had an area 
under his eye that has not healed over several months.  It looks like a 
puncture wound.  
 
The  three original cat's eyes all seemed perfect when I started feeding them - 
- about 2 years ago.  Henry was trapped last September at a close by restaurant 
and relocated himself.  His pupils were perfect then.  There are several 
restaurants in the area so they spend time eating there probably - - deep fried 
fish.  Tractor Supply puts out dry food.  I feed a can and a half of Evo at 
night.
 
Henry's eyes are way too dilated.  There is no blink reflex in one of them and 
a slight one in the other.  We are going to the vet on Saturday.  web sites 
talk about taurine deficiency.  The mama's pupils seem constricted.  
 
comments?
 
czadna
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

2011-03-30 Thread Belinda Sauro

   Hi All,
  I have added, Lola, Rosie and Muffy to the Candle Light Service, my 
condolences to all of you, their passing is so sad, but sweet little 
Lola really tore me up, I have a little one that looks just like her, 
she is small for her age and she is a joy I wouldn't want to not have in 
my life ... I can't imagine people being so self absorbed and cruel.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Rosie Lola are safely home - - Bless you - - may others be so gracious to us - - cat's eyes

2011-03-30 Thread MaiMaiPG
remember that lots of restraunts put out poisons..scares me to  
death with the feral roamers I love.

On Mar 30, 2011, at 5:32 PM, czadna sacarawicz wrote:



in sights?


The four t-n-r ferals at Tractor Supply all have weird pupils.  I  
can pet 3 of the four.


I picked up Henry and brought him home Sunday night because he had  
an area under his eye that has not healed over several months.  It  
looks like a puncture wound.


The  three original cat's eyes all seemed perfect when I started  
feeding them - - about 2 years ago.  Henry was trapped last  
September at a close by restaurant and relocated himself.  His  
pupils were perfect then.  There are several restaurants in the area  
so they spend time eating there probably - - deep fried fish.   
Tractor Supply puts out dry food.  I feed a can and a half of Evo at  
night.


Henry's eyes are way too dilated.  There is no blink reflex in one  
of them and a slight one in the other.  We are going to the vet on  
Saturday.  web sites talk about taurine deficiency.  The mama's  
pupils seem constricted.


comments?

czadna  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

2011-03-30 Thread Heather Clark
Bless you for helping to make her trip to the bridge as painless as
possible, for showing her the love and compassion she so deserved.  Her
story breaks my heart.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Android

On Mar 30, 2011 8:19 PM, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote:

  Hi All,
 I have added, Lola, Rosie and Muffy to the Candle Light Service, my
condolences to all of you, their passing is so sad, but sweet little Lola
really tore me up, I have a little one that looks just like her, she is
small for her age and she is a joy I wouldn't want to not have in my life
... I can't imagine people being so self absorbed and cruel.

-- 
Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Lola to the CLS list :(

2011-03-30 Thread Sally Davis
Thank you.. for helping Lola.

Sally
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