Re: [Felvtalk] Vets for Felv cats
We have a wonderful holistic-friendly vet who makes house calls. She works in conjunction with our "brick and mortar" vet for blood work, tests, etc. when necessary. Now that we have lost our two FeLV+ angels, she takes care of our new babies. The house call vet was the one that got us hooked up with LTCI. I'm certain Taj and Rani wouldn't have lasted as long as they did without the LTCI. Both eventually succumbed to lymphomas of different types. Brother and sister. We will always miss them. I don't think it's necessary to have a specialized vet...just a vet who is special and willing to listen. Sara --Original Mail-- From: "Pam Norman" To: Sent: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:57:02 -0500 Subject: [Felvtalk] Vets for Felv cats Do you all have your FeLeuk kitties seen by your regular vets? I talked to a wonderful consulting vet I know re Miss Eleanor (formerly Sabrina) & his first recommendation was Internal Medicine at U of WI, but then said that this would probably not be necessary as long as she is asymptomatic. That regular blood work, every 6 months, would be the main requirement. Certainly hope that is the case as just a couple of visits to UW would be well over $1000! I would like to combine the services of a good regular vet, which I think I have, altho he freely admits that is practice does not see a lot of FeLeuk kitties - which is probably pretty much the case with all non-specializing vets, I would think, with those of a holistic vet as well. Do any of you do that? Are any of you in Wisconsin? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vets for Felv cats
Hi Pam, I think a good regular vet who is willing to listen is the absolute best kind. I've tried another vet with a larger 24 hour practice who has pioneered some procedures. He was a mean, nasty ego-maniac. I much prefer a smaller practice where they can spend time to get to really know you and your cat, even if they don't see a lot of FeLV. I have also used some specialists when needed, and they have are nice, but very busy and probably don't remember me or my cats in 6 months. Like the difference between a family doctor and a brain surgeon. I would use U of WI as a specialist, and stick with the good regular vet for everything you and he feel comfortable tackling. Hopefully it won't be much, my positives only health issue before the end was a bladder problem unrelated to his FeLV. I know some others here will be able to offer advice on holistic vets, I've never used one for my cats. I guess my only concern would be to keep the regular vet informed of any supplements or treatments that the other one provides, as I think it is really important that they have a complete picture of what is happening with their patient. Best wishes, Beth N. On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Pam Norman wrote: > Do you all have your FeLeuk kitties seen by your regular vets? I talked to > a wonderful consulting vet I know re Miss Eleanor (formerly Sabrina) & his > first recommendation was Internal Medicine at U of WI, but then said that > this would probably not be necessary as long as she is asymptomatic. That > regular blood work, every 6 months, would be the main requirement. > Certainly hope that is the case as just a couple of visits to UW would be > well over $1000! > > I would like to combine the services of a good regular vet, which I think I > have, altho he freely admits that is practice does not see a lot of FeLeuk > kitties - which is probably pretty much the case with all non-specializing > vets, I would think, with those of a holistic vet as well. Do any of you do > that? > > Are any of you in Wisconsin? > > Pam > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vets for Felv cats
I am in a unique situation. We live on a military base in Japan with limited resources. I take my cats to a general practice Japanese vet. He has kept my Fuji alive and healthy for almost a year. She is FeLV positive with Mediastinal Lymphoma. I never had the opportunity to give her supplements or any of the other treatments that others use. My own experience had been that a low stress environment, attention to the slightest signs of illness, decent food and lots and lots of love have been sufficient! Of course every cat is different, but it seems as though a regular vet who is willing to do a bit of research on occasion is good enough for an asymptomatic cat. Melinda, Fuji, and VooDoo Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2011, at 11:57 AM, Pam Norman wrote: > Do you all have your FeLeuk kitties seen by your regular vets? I talked to a > wonderful consulting vet I know re Miss Eleanor (formerly Sabrina) & his > first recommendation was Internal Medicine at U of WI, but then said that > this would probably not be necessary as long as she is asymptomatic. That > regular blood work, every 6 months, would be the main requirement. Certainly > hope that is the case as just a couple of visits to UW would be well over > $1000! > > I would like to combine the services of a good regular vet, which I think I > have, altho he freely admits that is practice does not see a lot of FeLeuk > kitties - which is probably pretty much the case with all non-specializing > vets, I would think, with those of a holistic vet as well. Do any of you do > that? > > Are any of you in Wisconsin? > > Pam > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vets for Felv cats
My vet is a GP. treats cats, dogs and lots of horses and cows so his info on things like felv is not as good as a specialist, but, he welcomes every bit of information I bring him. I print out a lot of the things all of the members come up with and he then does his own research on the subject. We have both learned a lot since I got Annie. He said since I do the preliminary research for him, it makes it easier for him to get into the details of it. Pam Norman wrote: > Do you all have your FeLeuk kitties seen by your regular vets? I talked > to a wonderful consulting vet I know re Miss Eleanor (formerly Sabrina) > & his first recommendation was Internal Medicine at U of WI, but then > said that this would probably not be necessary as long as she is > asymptomatic. That regular blood work, every 6 months, would be the > main requirement. Certainly hope that is the case as just a couple of > visits to UW would be well over $1000! > > I would like to combine the services of a good regular vet, which I > think I have, altho he freely admits that is practice does not see a lot > of FeLeuk kitties - which is probably pretty much the case with all > non-specializing vets, I would think, with those of a holistic vet as > well. Do any of you do that? > > Are any of you in Wisconsin? > > Pam > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Vets for Felv cats
Do you all have your FeLeuk kitties seen by your regular vets? I talked to a wonderful consulting vet I know re Miss Eleanor (formerly Sabrina) & his first recommendation was Internal Medicine at U of WI, but then said that this would probably not be necessary as long as she is asymptomatic. That regular blood work, every 6 months, would be the main requirement. Certainly hope that is the case as just a couple of visits to UW would be well over $1000! I would like to combine the services of a good regular vet, which I think I have, altho he freely admits that is practice does not see a lot of FeLeuk kitties - which is probably pretty much the case with all non-specializing vets, I would think, with those of a holistic vet as well. Do any of you do that? Are any of you in Wisconsin? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - grrrreat news!
It's always the girl cats who are bossy, isn't it! My Stormy is the same way. She puts everyone in their place (as she sees it) and even nips at the heels (literally) of Lucky, who is twice her size! Tough little gal, Bless her! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 8:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! I just went through this myself with Amber who tested positive for FELV four months ago. Had her rested three months after the positive result and it was negative. Had an IFA test done and it was negative as well. She has joined the rest of the gang (my three other cats) and is bullying them! She is half their size, but I guess big things come in small packages. She only weighs 7.5 lbs and is believed to be around 3 years old. It has been an interesting week for sure! How many cats are sentenced to being isolated or in some instances euthanized because their first test was positive. It is a scary thought. I am so happy for you that all turned out well. I definately know how you feel. Now, if I can only get Amber out of her "biatch" stage all will be well. LOL Jannes From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 8:47:44 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! I wouldn't have even thought about retesting either, had I not joined this group (thank you, all!), having always heard that once positive, always positive! These two were not just a weak positive, though! Although when I first began trapping in 1992, we did have an adult female that tested positive, and using the ELISA again, was negative 3 months later! I have brought them out of their FeLV condo to the kitchen, put a piece of plywood on top of our dog's "playpen", and they have been there since last night. Mr. Tux is almost ready to join the general population (even reaching out his paw to our dog), while Eliot is still a little confused and withdrawn. I still cannot believe it and feel absolutely horrible that they were alone, only within sight of other cats; especially poor Eliot, who was alone for 2 years before I found Mr. Tux for him! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 2:16 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! This happened to my mom's cat, Lucky. He initially tested "weak positive" when I took him to the vet (he was in terrible shape, sick, flea-ridden, had lost weight). Then, because of what I learned HERE (bless you all) I had Lucky retested on the IFA and he came back negative! He has other health issues, but apparently FeLeuk isn't one of them. Good news, Natalie. Congratulations to you and your furry buddies! ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! Yes! Now the question is, did they shed the virus, or was the first test result false? I'm just so happy, I don't care - but it would be nice to know how this whole thing works! I wonder how many cats there are out there that aren't really positive and are getting killed for nothing.. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 10:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! Are they positive on the Elisa, just not the IFA? Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 6/9/11, Natalie wrote: From: Natalie Subject: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, June 9, 2011, 9:54 AM My two FeLV boyz were given the IFA test on Monday afternoon., and we were eagerly awaiting results, although I wasn’t setting myself up for any miracles. Last night, just as I sat down and started giving one of our renal failure cats her daily fluids, the phone rang: It was my vet, but I couldn’t get to the phone. He did not leave a message, and when I called back, hospital was already closed. I just got a call from the receptionist….she told me that the test results were NEGATIVE! (Retesting of Sox, a NJ FIV cat, came back positive again – the poor cat has painful stomatitis!) For two long years, Eliot was all alone, then I was able to find FeLV positive Mr. Tux in NJ! They’ve been together for 1 ½ years. All our cats have access to outdoor enclosures…..they did not, and
Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - grrrreat news!
I am so happy to any of us who have had such great luck, and that's all it is! I cringe at the thought of how many cats are killed or sentenced to isolation because they are not retested because they don't think or know of it! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 11:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! I just went through this myself with Amber who tested positive for FELV four months ago. Had her rested three months after the positive result and it was negative. Had an IFA test done and it was negative as well. She has joined the rest of the gang (my three other cats) and is bullying them! She is half their size, but I guess big things come in small packages. She only weighs 7.5 lbs and is believed to be around 3 years old. It has been an interesting week for sure! How many cats are sentenced to being isolated or in some instances euthanized because their first test was positive. It is a scary thought. I am so happy for you that all turned out well. I definately know how you feel. Now, if I can only get Amber out of her "biatch" stage all will be well. LOL Jannes From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 8:47:44 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! I wouldn't have even thought about retesting either, had I not joined this group (thank you, all!), having always heard that once positive, always positive! These two were not just a weak positive, though! Although when I first began trapping in 1992, we did have an adult female that tested positive, and using the ELISA again, was negative 3 months later! I have brought them out of their FeLV condo to the kitchen, put a piece of plywood on top of our dog's "playpen", and they have been there since last night. Mr. Tux is almost ready to join the general population (even reaching out his paw to our dog), while Eliot is still a little confused and withdrawn. I still cannot believe it and feel absolutely horrible that they were alone, only within sight of other cats; especially poor Eliot, who was alone for 2 years before I found Mr. Tux for him! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 2:16 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! This happened to my mom's cat, Lucky. He initially tested "weak positive" when I took him to the vet (he was in terrible shape, sick, flea-ridden, had lost weight). Then, because of what I learned HERE (bless you all) I had Lucky retested on the IFA and he came back negative! He has other health issues, but apparently FeLeuk isn't one of them. Good news, Natalie. Congratulations to you and your furry buddies! ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! Yes! Now the question is, did they shed the virus, or was the first test result false? I'm just so happy, I don't care - but it would be nice to know how this whole thing works! I wonder how many cats there are out there that aren't really positive and are getting killed for nothing.. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 10:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! Are they positive on the Elisa, just not the IFA? Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 6/9/11, Natalie wrote: From: Natalie Subject: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, June 9, 2011, 9:54 AM My two FeLV boyz were given the IFA test on Monday afternoon., and we were eagerly awaiting results, although I wasn’t setting myself up for any miracles. Last night, just as I sat down and started giving one of our renal failure cats her daily fluids, the phone rang: It was my vet, but I couldn’t get to the phone. He did not leave a message, and when I called back, hospital was already closed. I just got a call from the receptionist….she told me that the test results were NEGATIVE! (Retesting of Sox, a NJ FIV cat, came back positive again – the poor cat has painful stomatitis!) For two long years, Eliot was all alone, then I was able to find FeLV positive Mr. Tux in NJ! They’ve been together for 1 ½ years. All our cats have access to outdoor enclosures…..they did not, and
Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - grrrreat news!
I just went through this myself with Amber who tested positive for FELV four months ago. Had her rested three months after the positive result and it was negative. Had an IFA test done and it was negative as well. She has joined the rest of the gang (my three other cats) and is bullying them! She is half their size, but I guess big things come in small packages. She only weighs 7.5 lbs and is believed to be around 3 years old. It has been an interesting week for sure! How many cats are sentenced to being isolated or in some instances euthanized because their first test was positive. It is a scary thought. I am so happy for you that all turned out well. I definately know how you feel. Now, if I can only get Amber out of her "biatch" stage all will be well. LOL Jannes From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 8:47:44 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! I wouldn't have even thought about retesting either, had I not joined this group (thank you, all!), having always heard that once positive, always positive! These two were not just a weak positive, though! Although when I first began trapping in 1992, we did have an adult female that tested positive, and using the ELISA again, was negative 3 months later! I have brought them out of their FeLV condo to the kitchen, put a piece of plywood on top of our dog's "playpen", and they have been there since last night. Mr. Tux is almost ready to join the general population (even reaching out his paw to our dog), while Eliot is still a little confused and withdrawn. I still cannot believe it and feel absolutely horrible that they were alone, only within sight of other cats; especially poor Eliot, who was alone for 2 years before I found Mr. Tux for him! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 2:16 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! This happened to my mom's cat, Lucky. He initially tested "weak positive" when I took him to the vet (he was in terrible shape, sick, flea-ridden, had lost weight). Then, because of what I learned HERE (bless you all) I had Lucky retested on the IFA and he came back negative! He has other health issues, but apparently FeLeuk isn't one of them. Good news, Natalie. Congratulations to you and your furry buddies! ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! Yes! Now the question is, did they shed the virus, or was the first test result false? I'm just so happy, I don't care - but it would be nice to know how this whole thing works! I wonder how many cats there are out there that aren't really positive and are getting killed for nothing.. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 10:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! Are they positive on the Elisa, just not the IFA? Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 6/9/11, Natalie wrote: From: Natalie Subject: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, June 9, 2011, 9:54 AM My two FeLV boyz were given the IFA test on Monday afternoon., and we were eagerly awaiting results, although I wasn’t setting myself up for any miracles. Last night, just as I sat down and started giving one of our renal failure cats her daily fluids, the phone rang: It was my vet, but I couldn’t get to the phone. He did not leave a message, and when I called back, hospital was already closed. I just got a call from the receptionist….she told me that the test results were NEGATIVE! (Retesting of Sox, a NJ FIV cat, came back positive again – the poor cat has painful stomatitis!) For two long years, Eliot was all alone, then I was able to find FeLV positive Mr. Tux in NJ! They’ve been together for 1 ½ years. All our cats have access to outdoor enclosures…..they did not, and I was desperately trying to figure out how I could accomplish that. No need to worry about that anymore – I will get them into the “general population” with access to a nice big outdoor enclosure to use as they please! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleuk
Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - grrrreat news!
I wouldn't have even thought about retesting either, had I not joined this group (thank you, all!), having always heard that once positive, always positive! These two were not just a weak positive, though! Although when I first began trapping in 1992, we did have an adult female that tested positive, and using the ELISA again, was negative 3 months later! I have brought them out of their FeLV condo to the kitchen, put a piece of plywood on top of our dog's "playpen", and they have been there since last night. Mr. Tux is almost ready to join the general population (even reaching out his paw to our dog), while Eliot is still a little confused and withdrawn. I still cannot believe it and feel absolutely horrible that they were alone, only within sight of other cats; especially poor Eliot, who was alone for 2 years before I found Mr. Tux for him! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 2:16 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! This happened to my mom's cat, Lucky. He initially tested "weak positive" when I took him to the vet (he was in terrible shape, sick, flea-ridden, had lost weight). Then, because of what I learned HERE (bless you all) I had Lucky retested on the IFA and he came back negative! He has other health issues, but apparently FeLeuk isn't one of them. Good news, Natalie. Congratulations to you and your furry buddies! ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! Yes! Now the question is, did they shed the virus, or was the first test result false? I'm just so happy, I don't care - but it would be nice to know how this whole thing works! I wonder how many cats there are out there that aren't really positive and are getting killed for nothing.. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 10:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! Are they positive on the Elisa, just not the IFA? Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 6/9/11, Natalie wrote: From: Natalie Subject: [Felvtalk] Eliot Spitty and Mr. Tux - geat news! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, June 9, 2011, 9:54 AM My two FeLV boyz were given the IFA test on Monday afternoon., and we were eagerly awaiting results, although I wasn’t setting myself up for any miracles. Last night, just as I sat down and started giving one of our renal failure cats her daily fluids, the phone rang: It was my vet, but I couldn’t get to the phone. He did not leave a message, and when I called back, hospital was already closed. I just got a call from the receptionist….she told me that the test results were NEGATIVE! (Retesting of Sox, a NJ FIV cat, came back positive again – the poor cat has painful stomatitis!) For two long years, Eliot was all alone, then I was able to find FeLV positive Mr. Tux in NJ! They’ve been together for 1 ½ years. All our cats have access to outdoor enclosures…..they did not, and I was desperately trying to figure out how I could accomplish that. No need to worry about that anymore – I will get them into the “general population” with access to a nice big outdoor enclosure to use as they please! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
