RE: My Lucky is gone
Title: Message
Dear
Julie
I'm so
very sorry to hear the devastating news of Luckyto take her to the vet, to
have no inkling how serious her condition is, and assuming she'll be going
straight back home with youno wonder you're heartbroken. That is one awful
shock.
It's
so hard to accept when we bring these little souls into our family that
their lives may be cut short, and even harder when you are forced to make the
kindest decision. I hope you can draw comfort from all your happy
memories of Lucky, Julie. She was indeed one lucky little kitty to have
found you. She couldn't have found better care or a better home after her
accident.
take
care, love and hugs, Kerry
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Julie JohnsonSent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:20
AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: My Lucky is
gone
Dear Freinds,
I lost my dear Lucky ("Lucky-Duck, the Sweet Baboo") on Friday. She
had surgery for mammary cancer just before Christmas and appeared to
be recovering well. Eating, playing, just being herself. Toward
the middle of last week, she seemed to be straining to poop and on Friday
she was having diarrhea, not eating and obviously not feeling well . I
took her into the vet thinking that the diarrhea (following a bout of
constipation) meant she might have some stool blocking things.
What we found was several masses in her belly, fluid in her chest and
belly, and an enlarged liver. They were surprised that she was not already
in respiratory distress. Her prognosis was very poor. Her
cancer is typically not responsive to chemo and only a month ago her chest and
stomach xrays were clear, so the cancer had moved aggressively. We made
the painful decision to euthanize her.
I am heartbroken; I never expected to take her in and find anything
remotely like what we found. I'm grateful we had the time since Christmas
together. There is always great competition to sleep on my head and she
came and found room on the pillow and cuddled with me on Wednesday night; she
purred and seemed so happy. I miss her so much, especially in the morning
because she always sat on the bathroom radiator and 'helped' me get ready.
I found her hit by a car on my lunch hour about 8.5 years ago and she had
some injuries to her face and the silliest little forehead that kind of stuck
out and reminded us of a little bird.
Thanks for listening, everyone; I'd be lost without you all.
Love, Julie "I hold that, the more helpless a
creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of
man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi
(1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about
de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
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RE: King of the Hill !!!
Title: Message That sounds hilarious Tamara--I'd love to have seen it. I'll keep an eye on the reruns. We all need laughs. Kx -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:33 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: King of the Hill !!! Did anyone catch "King of the Hill" last night (Fox channels)? I don't care for the show...but it caught my attention when I turned on the TV last night. It is a animated cartoon (same creators as the Simpsons I think) and it was focusing on cats and vets! The main character is a real."Man", Hank, who because of his patrotic heart decides to help out "the fighting man" who was shipped off to Iraq and sign up to watch a soldier's pet while he is deployed. Thinking all the while that he would get a manly dog. As it turns out...he ends up with a cat.he hates catsand this cat was ALL cat! From hacking up hair balls EVERYWHERE including the kitchen table during dinner to peeing in Hank's shoes. It wants attention and attacks the "boy" Bobby whenever he stops petting it and attacks Hanks feet when he's trying to be manly with his buddies in the alley. Never having had a cat beforethey are worried about the "strange" behavior of this animal and since they have committed themselves in writting to "doing everything possible to maintain the health of this animal" including taking it to its normal vet (think specialty vetwe all have them) off they go. Well whoever wrote this episode deserves fan letters! I was laughing so hardthe vet examines the animal and it seems ok...but to be certain...better run a blood panel...Well the blood panel looks good...but the white cell count is a bit high..."which could mean nothing..or could mean cancer"So to Hanks horror he runs uranalisis (sp?), blood pressure, sonograms, x-rays, exploratory surgery, put the cat in a wheel chair cart...etc...refusing to sign off on the form that "everything's been done" until it has...all the while several hundred then thousand $ from the Hill family's vacation budget are being spent on this cat. The show ended with Hank taking the cat to his reg. vet who, much to Hanks dismay says that the other doctor is a GREAT doctor, and just trying his very best to see to it that the cat has the very best care..."but cats throw up Hank! They attack feet from time to time, and some of them bite...they can be aloof one minute and loving the next. They're CATS not dogs. This little guy will die one day, but not of anything he has right now." Hank points out to the specialty doctor that there is a pc.of absurdly expensive equipment that he doesn't own so How can he give the "best care possible"? and the doctor finally signs off on the form. I hope some of you caught the show. We can ALL relate, I think. Anyway check you tv listings for the rerunI think its something everyone whose ever owned a pet should have on hand for those times that, although we are driving ourselves into bankrupcy with vet bills, STILL have that guilty feeling that we just aren't doing enough! Whether you can relate to the main character or not...it'll make you laugh at yourself, your vet, your cat...and the whole situation we so often find ourselves in...(and after just spending $244 on a vet bill the day before...with surgery looming for one a few weeks from now...I NEEDED IT!) T :) __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: missing emails
Title: Message Cherie, I am the last person to give computer-type suggestions---but I wonder if the missing emails had strings attached (ie previous emails), and strings were of a type (eg graphics-heavy) that prevented them getting to you (because your ISP read them as spam)? Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:59 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: missing emails This morning I am only missing 3 emails, the funny thing is I got other emails fro these addresses before...I am missing (2) from Julia Johnson and (1) from Tamara Stickler...but I received the other messages from Julia Johnson. I am not sure what to do now. Cherie This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Ginger's Miracle
Title: Message Now I guess it's me who's having mail problems--this is the first I've had of Hideyo's apart from the one where Hideyo was wondering if her mail was actually being posted. Glad Ginger is doing well, Hideyo---I'll start sending my healing vibes for her straightaway! Thanks for sharing the info from Dr Basko. Reminds me that I should try and get hold of Dr Goldstein's book. Hope sweet little Ginger continues to do well! take care, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:28 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Ginger's Miracle Thank you, Nina and everyone else who responded to my cry of help regarding Ginger not eating for a week and for all your healing vibes you sent to my little Ginger. I am so grateful and cannot find right words to express my gratitude. When I got home on Friday, I went to visit Ginger right away (she is in a separate room from all other cats) – All of her food on the plates (a couple of them) that I had left that morning was completely “licked” clean!! I couldn’t believe my eyes. Ever since, she is doing just fabulous. She almost acts like a completely different kitty! Her appetite is so excellent – better than ever – she probably eats more than any of my other adult kitties – everything I put out –she completely finishes it. Thank god! I am not sure what to attribute for the changes – the only things I can think of – homeopathic remedy which was suggested by my holistic vet, Pustilla, based on Ginger’s personality, and a shot of v-B complex, and lots of prayers and healing vibes from all of you! She is such a fighter – she is doing better and better every day – I can tell she has already put some more weight just from the past couple of days. I hope that she continues to eat well and pray well – she is just so previous and sweet to me – when I visit and hold her – she looks at me into my eyes and almost knows exactly what I am thinking – she is my previous little miracle. I am schedule to take her in this afternoon for check-up – I am almost not want to do so because it will stress her and don’t want anything to change to backwards. By the way, I had a phone consultation with Dr. Basko in Hawaii (his name was mentioned in the book of Dr. Martine Goldstein) and discussed about Ginger’s situation. And here are some of the things that he suggested that I give to Ginger. I would like to share with you in case anyone else find it helpful for their kitties. He is a holistic vet and not everyone may feel that it’s a right thing for your FeLV+ kitties – but in case you feel that it is, here you go. He suggested that I give Ginger additionally – Reishi mushroom Maitake mushroom Astragals B-12 and Folic acid Just so that you know, I have been already giving Ginger the following: Transfer Factor plus (human kind) Aloe Vera juice Mega C plus V-E CoQ 10 enzyme Kelp/Alphalpha DMG He also had a very similar receipt of Liver shake as well – When I first tried to give the shake to Ginger, she did not eat –so I gave it to her in a syringe – then last night, she drank it form the remaining in the bowl herself! She is just a good girl! Again thank you so much for all your kind words – I was so alone and needed to talk to someone – and you guys have been so wonderful to me and Ginger – please continue to send her healing vibes for Ginger and prayers as she can use all she can get! Thank you!! Hideyo & Ginger This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Gary and Melange
That's SUCH great news about Gary and Melange, Jill! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jill Poe Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Gary and Melange Gary is actually looking almost completely back to normal. Her nose is not getting much paler. We have tapered down her appetite stimulants to almost nothing because they make her so tired. She is still eating a lot (babyfood only with lots of vitamins) and looks more alert now. She is following my boyfriend around like normal and made meow faces for her dinner (she rarely vocalizes). The vet wants to continue everything she's gettinng now and then do a followup blood panel in 3 weeks. My boyfriend forgot to ask if she thinks we should get another couple dex shots in the meantime (she's on oral pred) so he's leaving the vet a message about that. Melange, after clowning around and amusing the staff yesterday, ruined his urine sample so he had to go back today. The diagnosis is UTI with struyvite crystals. He's going on Hill's s/d for a couple weeks and Clavamox for a couple weeks. They don't think there are stones (they did a quick ultrasound yesterday because she wasn't able to feel the bladder - he's kind of fat and round). So this was really good news. In fact, good news all around! Jill __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: OT-Simba is missing
Ditto---praying for Simba's safe return, Faye. Kerry PS I want to come back as a cat in Nina's house. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT-Simba is missing Faye, What's going on with Simba? Have you seen him at all? Did you call an AC? Did you try the whistle? Are you putting food out for him? When my Ursula went missing I drove my entire neighborhood crazy until she showed back up. My mom made cards with her picture on them and all the pertinent info, (name, phone, a brief story about her, when she went missing) and I handed them out to people on the street. I even knocked on doors. EVERYONE knew I was looking for her. I suspect she was taken in by someone who wanted to keep her, (she's quite the stunner), but finally figured I wasn't going to stop looking for her and let her out of the house. I assume you've contacted the local shelter. My shelter has 'missing' and 'found' clip boards that you can post to. They take your phone number and if anyone calls they refer them to you. Have you put a found ad in the paper? Don't give up hope! I'm still thinking about him and praying for his return. Nina This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Great Source - Only Natural Pet!
Title: Message Wow---thanks for that info, Pattie. I'll be looking at that site. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:41 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Great Source - Only Natural Pet! Since I live in a rural area & our local Mom & Pop Natural Store is limited to what items they carry & can order, I am always looking for alternative resources since I have to special order many of the products I use for the furkids, including some holistic food. In my most recent "quest", I came across this site: www.onlynaturalpet.comI was totally impressed and amazed about the products they carry and services offered. The site is dedicated to the holistic approach in care & treatment of our furkids. I addition to the extensive product line, they also offer phone consults w/ their vet, Dr. Larry Siegler. He's a graduate of Cornell Univ. He's board certified in acupuncture & Chinese Herbal remedies, and also a graduate of Dr. Pitcairn's schooling for Homeopathic Veterinary Medicine. And I found the prices for consult to be even less expensive than some of I have paid in the past working w/ other holistic vets. They also offer an online option for help and advice. Also, phone help where you can actually talk to a real person! The site lists informative articles, w/ many links to other great resources for the holistic approach. I am still in awe of the product line, and the availability of items that I have used in the past, but often have had a hard time locating it. This place carries basically ALL major carriers of natural/holistic products. It will make obtaining these products easier, since basically everything I need can be ordered from one source. I found their prices to be competitive. They also offer a "low price guarantee". In essence, they will match the price of any item found cheaper anywhere else, providing it is not less than their cost. They also offer 10% discount on all food. And their shipping prices seem very reasonable to me, compared to what I've paid in the past. In particular interest to those of you on the list is the array of products that have been discussed on the list and used by many of you. Recently, Genesis Feline Support was discussed as being recommended for use by I believe, Jill's vet. They carry this item, and as I stated before, they'll match any lower price. Another person recently discussed switching to the raw diet for their babies. This place has a very wide variety of products in that line.. Just thought I'd mention this resource since it seems all of us here are on the never ending quest for the best treatments for our furkids. It's definitely worth checking out! Patti This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Will be away!
Title: Message Have a good, safe trip, Brenda!~~~Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda K. SmithSent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:07 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: Will be away!Hi All. Just wanted to let everybody know that my daughter and I will be leaving tomorrow late morning for Minneapolis. I have to have an angiogram Thursday morning related to being a heart transplant patient. I know I don't write much, but with all this going on with the transport of Lovey and Merry from GA I thought if I suddenly wasn't on for a day or so that somebody might start to worry. :) I will check my email before I leave tomorrow and baring no complications I'll be home Thursday evening to check the list. Take care everybody.-- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: OT Humor: We're Having A Puppy!
Love it! Certainly makes the point! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda K. Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT Humor: We're Having A Puppy! Hi All. A rescuer sent me this. Thought all you rescuers would get it. :) Anyone involved in rescue should be able to see the humor in this >RESCUE HELP NEEDED ASAP: > >Please help After two long years of being on a waiting >list for an agility dog, we have been notified by the >breeder that, at long last, our number has come up and ...WE >ARE HAVING A PUPPY!!! > >We must IMMEDIATELY get rid of our children now, because we >just KNOW how time consuming our new little puppy is going >to be! Since our little puppy will be arriving on Monday we >MUST place the children in new homes this weekend! > >They are described as: > >One male - His name is Ryan, Caucasian (English/Irish mix), >light blonde hair, blue eyes. Four years old. Excellent >disposition. He doesn't bite. Temperament tested. Does have >problems with peeing directly in the toilet. Has had chicken >Pox and is current on all shots. Tonsils have already been >removed. Ryan eats everything, is very clean, house trained >& gets along well with others. Does not run with scissors >and with a little training he should be able to read soon. > >One female - Her name is Lexie, Caucasian (English/Irish >mix), strawberry blonde hair, green eyes quite freckled. Two >years old. Can be surly at times. Non-biter, thumb sucker. >Has been temperament tested but needs a little attitude >adjusting occasionally. She is current on all shots, tonsils >out, and is very healthy & happy (mostly). Gets along well >with other little girls & little boys but does not like to >share her toys and therefore would do best in a one child >household. She is a very quick learner and is currently >working on her house training-shouldn't take long at all. > >We really do LOVE our children so much and want to do what's >right for them; that is why we contacted a rescue group. But >we simply can no longer keep them. Also, we are afraid that >they may hurt our new puppy. I hope you understand that ours >is a UNIQUE situation and we have a real emergency here!!! >They MUST be placed into your rescue by Sunday night at the >latest or we will be forced to drop them offat the orphanage >or along some dark, country road. Our priority now has to be >our new puppy. > > > > -- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: OT: New addition
Title: Message What a couple of sweethearts, Cherie! Congrats! Kerry (I didn't know pix were a no-no either)! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan DoljanSent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 8:55 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: New addition Congratuations!Cherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well we have a bouncing baby girl 1.5lbs 10 weeks old, born December 9th.My son names her Sugar, she is not the kitty I posted about with the skin problem, we are waiting a weeks before we pick her up, but she is a doll.I am attaching a photo of her and my son.ENJOY I am sending the link instead, I was unaware that picture attachments are a no noSo James was kind enough to post it to this page... http://www.felineleukemia.org/pets/sugar_cherie.jpg Now you can ENJOY Cherie This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Gary's anemia treatment
Jill, thanks so much for that. I hope I won't have to refer to it, but I'm filing it, just in caseKerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jill Poe Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 12:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Gary's anemia treatment Michelle, here is the progression of Gary's anemia treatment: A couple months ago her blood panel showed an HCT of 31. 2-3 weeks ago she developed a fever and was eating less and less. She was treated for the fever but was weak and lethargic and her nose got ghostly pale - that's when she was re-tested with an HCT of 9. Because of this, we thought we'd be lucky to have her a couple days. After that test, this is what happened: IV fluids overnight in hospital blood transfusion (whole blood of her type) She came home with: Doxycycline Cyproheptadine (as appetite stimulant) Hi-Vite vitamin serum 2x/day Interferon every day (no off days) Epogen 300 units 3x/week by injection Prednisone (half tablet 2x/day) Lysine B-12 she's only eating chicken and turkey baby food right now 2 days later we took her in for: 150 units of sub-q fluids 1 dexamethasone shot Michelle, I can tell you without a doubt that she would have died over the weekend had she not had the blood transfusion. It perked her right up and she was jumping around like usual that night. She was not moving much at all before that and wanted to be by herself all the time. She's still taking everything above. She's only getting 1 dose of appetite stimulant per day instead of 2 now. What I'd like to do is get her back on regular cat food and go back to 7 on/7 off with the Interferon. And obviously, she can't be on pred forever but she's supposed to taper down in a couple days to 1x/day. Since she responded to this treatment, I'd would now like to get her in with the homeopathic vet and try some of the anemia maintanence formulas everyone suggested. I think we'll have to wait another paycheck or 2 for that. :) Jill __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Welcome back
Title: Message Congratulations---that's such great news, Brenda. You must surely have been feeling very stressed beforehand---and now you must be just thrilled! Welcome back! Have fun with the new furballs! Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda K. SmithSent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:55 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgCc: Del; Peggy Dial; Dale ThompsonSubject: OT: I'M BACK!Hi All. Got back tonight very tired and sore. Neither my daughter nor myself sleep well in hotels so we were tired. Good news! The doctor who was doing my angiogram (who has done it many times through the years) was saying wow - beautiful, just what I want to see - perfect, etc. while doing the procedure. :) He said that the results were about the same as two years ago or maybe even better. Then he said, "It's been 13-1/2 years right?" I said yes. He put two thumbs up and said, "You've got it made!" Just what I want to hear. :) For those of you who have some medical background, there is a slight thickening of the left side of my left ventricle, but it is no worse than two years ago. It's not an unusual occurence for a heart transplant, but it's nice to know it's about the same as two years ago. Thank you all for your best wishes that everything would go well and it did! This is a powerful group of people. :) Now, I have to rest so that I can pick up my new babies from Barb on Sunday. :) I'll email some more tomorrow. Thank you again!-- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
Have a nice time seeing your mom and your horse, Michelle! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home Actually, going to visit my mom and my 28 year old horse in NJ. If everyone is healthy and mobile, that will be enough to please me. Michelle In a message dated 2/18/05 11:29:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Michelle, I hereby ORDER you to have a great time this weekend; hope you go someplace wonderful, rest and relax, and find a chocolate mine! >> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
San Fran & feral champion
Sally First, thanks for explaining the San Francisco approach--I knew they had done good work, but I didn't have the facts. Would that every city would follow their lead. Secondly, are you able to pass on the name of the vet who started the feral program? If I get a chance to mention it in conversation with my vet(s) then I will. He/she deserves to be applauded, and perhaps others will follow. thanks, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 10:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: For Hideyo -- Your loss of Suzi Dear Hideyo: I did not mean to imply that you were wrong to want to pick Suzi up as soon as possible. When I am taking a cat to a regular vet (as opposed to being there, in person, and volunteering at one of our S/N events) I also want to bring my furkids home as soon as possible so I can monitor them, myself. Some vets are very good about monitoring cats closely after routine S/N surgery and I've learned to trust them, but others are not and there have been kittys lost as a result, though luckily none of mine. If that were someone's personal pet, it would be a serious problem, but when it is "just a feral" which is the attitude some vets seem to have, who is going to make a big stink? So many of the vets don't want to be bothered with ferals, period. That is one reason I dedicate my time and efforts to helping this group I volunteer with. The vet who started the program makes sure that each and every feral is treated with the same care and respect that any private client's valuable purebred show cat would receive. This program is not a regular "clinic" per se that routinely does S/N for cats...it is a one day a month special event just for ferals that uses a public or private vet facility and is staffed completely by caring and dedicated volunteers like myself. I was not trying to suggest that your wanting to pick up Suzi immediately after her surgery was not appropriate. There was obviously some sort of problem due to the surgery and she was evidently not been monitored closely enough before being put into the carrier and given to you to take home. And sometimes, despite the very best of precautions, things just go wrong, as it did for Suzi. You had no way of knowing, and perhaps, neither did the vet. It is rare for there to be such complications, so do try not to be too hard on yourself for not being able to prevent a tragedy that was beyond your control. Suzi knew that she was loved and cared for while she was with you. If you had not found her and rescued her, she may have met a much worse fate being poisoned, or hit by a car or attacked by someone's dog running lose, starved to death or the victim of some disease. You were trying to help her have better chance in life and I am sure she was aware of that. She was "sleeping" and I am sure she did not suffer. If it will ease your mind to talk to Suzi, it may be possible to communicate with her even though she has crossed over with the help of an animal communicator. And you never know, her spirit could come back to you again in another body, so send her your loving thoughts and tell her how much you miss her and perhaps she will decide to do that. You are a very special person to care so much for those unfortunate cat souls most people just walk on by and never give a thought to. Believe in that and all the good you do and don't let a few unavoidable tragedies get you down. Sally in San Jose This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Gary - Immunoregulin
another thing is to look for house-call vets--there are FOUR of them in my town, and it makes a tremendous difference in the stress level involved in vet visits. my cats generally stay calm, it's just the vet who needs to be tranquilized Hi all, sorry I've been out of the loop for a few days. I hope to catch up over the next couple of days. I just had to throw in my 2 cents worth here. Wish I could say the same thing!...My sweet little felv fosters are all feral---and the first time the housecall vet came, I discovered that cats can--and do--flyit was horrible! (The vet did an amzing job of catching them to draw blood by using a fishing net.) Either way, whether I take them to vet, or housecall vet comes---it is NOT fun for those poor kitties. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 5:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Gary - Immunoregulin another thing is to look for house-call vets--there are FOUR of them in my town, and it makes a tremendous difference in the stress level involved in vet visits. my cats generally stay calm, it's just the vet who needs to be tranquilized MC Nina wrote: > >A lot of vets do not like to send home drawn injections, though. > > If you have a vet that doesn't want to give you med injections to > administer at home, appeal to them, argue with them and if they still > don't want to trust you to do it, find another vet. It makes a world > of difference in reducing stress. I hate having to give shots and > syringe meds, but at least they don't have to spend time at the vets, > or get dragged back and forth. > Nina > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Gary's anemia treatment
Title: RE: Gary's anemia treatment Hideyo I'm so sorry to hear about your tragic loss of Suzi last summer. You did what you thought (and what every one of us has done) was the right thing. You had no way of knowing it would go so badly wrong (none of my cats ever want to go to the vet--I always have to "force" them). But I know how much it must hurt. I really am so sorry. Hugs to you, and to all the lucky kitties currently in your care, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Gary's anemia treatment Michelle, I know exactly how you feel - every time I lose someone, I so wish I would have done/wouldn't have done - I torture myself for thinking all the time. When I lost Suzi a several month ago, I regretted so much for what I did, and I still cry missing her every single night. Suzi was a healthy sweet baby, and took her to spaying one day (on July 17th), and I never saw her alive after that. She woke up from the anthesia, but something happened and she stopped breathing - I was SO not ready not to see her again. I never had a chance to say good bye to her as I was only planning to see her in an hour - I wish I never brought her for surgery that day, as I was not scheduled to do originally until the vet called for an opening due to cancellation. That morning, when I tried to take her, she one time escaped from the carrier, and I chased her and forced her to go into the carrier - that was a sign - I wish I never brought her - I just miss her too much and it hurts - if I never rescued her, she would be still alive and I ended her life - she did not want to go to the vet that day - I pray every day that her soul will come back in another life again soon so that I will have a 2nd chance to take care of her - and you, too, Michelle, you will meet Simon again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Gary's anemia treatment I have really been wishing, now, that Simon was able to get that transfusion the day before he died. he freaked out and needed to be put in an oxygen tent, and they said it could kill him to keep trying or sedate him in his condition. Afterwards I felt horrible that I had even tried. Now I feel horrible he didn't get it, since Gary's HCT was just as low as his was, or almost. I don't know why I keep going over this, as I can not bring him back now, but I do. I found out yesterday at the shelter he came from that he was 4.5 or 5, rather than just 4 as I had thought. So he got at least another 6 months more of his joyful life than I had thought. I also found out that my Ginger, who I thought was about 4, is actually at least 5.5 and possibly 6. This made me happy to know she has made it so far, though of course a little scared because that is getting up there for a positive. Michelle This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: good vets for FeLV...
Title: RE: good vets for FeLV... Illinois had none listed, so I added 2 vets I use for my feral felv pos kitties---these vets have given me no reason to believe they're particularly knowledgeable about felv, but they were more than happy to treat them. (I still find it amazing that not all vets treat all cats equally. But I've seen it with my own eyes so I know it's true.) Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 5:06 PM To: FeLVTalkNew Subject: good vets for FeLV... it's been mentioned a number of times recently bout how hard it is to find vets who are sympathetic/knowledgable about FeLVs--so a reminder for all of us to add the good ones at http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgi. there are only 17 listed so far (yeah, i FINALLY added mine today) but if we all contribute we could build a good database for all of us. (when i get the chance--2006?--i'll try to call local vets and ask them what their experience/policies are...). MC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
pairing HIV FIV/FeLV
Title: Message Yes, I had thought the same thing, Nina, when I first got/heard of my felv kitties (pairing them with Aids sufferers). But then I wondered if/worried the kitties might not get the care and attention they need--special diet, vet visits when necessary.? Anyone else have any opinion? Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 8:23 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a homeCharlie sounds like such a wonderful guy. I know of one local person that just lost her FIV cat, she swore 'never again', but we all know that's not true. I'm forwarding your email about Charlie to her. Something that has occurred to me in the past, I'm not sure how to even go about it, but... I've thought of pairing HIV humans with FIV cats. Maybe in some sort of assisted care setting? I know that some of these patients can barely care for themselves, but I also know how much love and healing energy animals bring us when we're sick, and who better to understand the unfairness of disease? It's just a thought that's been swimming around in my brain. I pray Charlie finds his forever home soon.Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am writing to see if anyone has any ideas. I go to the local shelter, where my positives came from, twice a day to take care of Lamby, a disabled sheep who lives in the feral cat yard (she is very popular among the cats and has convinced a number of them to trust us too!). At this shelter, the ferals are put into a large yard, with access to the hay loft of a barn. The shelter also puts non-feral cats out there who can not be adopted, sometimes because they are FIV+ (I do not agree with mixing in this way, but at least they do not kill any of them). A cat who was brought there about 6 months ago, Charlie, was diabetic. Since I am in the yard twice a day anyway, I agreed to give him his shots. Luckily, his diabetes went away, at least for now, and he no longer needs insulin. HOWEVER... Charlie is a huge, long-haired black cat, extremely beautiful and cuddly and mellow and sort of looks like a bear, normally. A few weeks ago I noticed a bunch of his hair was coming out, and upon inspection found he had a number of bald spots with bite and scratch marks, clearly self-induced. I brought him to the vet and the vet said he had terrible ear mites, for which they treated him, and probably also contact dermatitis of unknown origin. The vet gave him a shot of Vetalog, a steroid often used for skin problems that has less side effects than Depomedrol. We were afraid to give Depomedrol because it can sometimes cause diabetes and he has had diabetes in the past (it can come and go with cats). The shot lasts 3 days. Charlie felt better for a week and then started scratching again. The vet said to put him on a low dose of pred for 3 days and then taper him off. I did that, and after not seeing him for 2 days after the tapering was done, he appeared and had lost probably 1/3 of his hair and was covered in scabs and had URI. My partner brought him back to the vet and he got another Vetalog shot and was put on Cephalexyn (and antibiotic) twice a day and tomorrow is supposed to start on a high dose of pred for 10 days and then taper if he is ok. They have no idea what is causing this. I put Revolution on him to help with the ear mites and also because it treats mange if he has that. I am going away for the weekend, to my parents', and the women who run the shelter asked me to put him in a cage for the 2 days so it is easier for them to find and pill him. I decided to put him on chicken and rice food for that time too, since he will have his own food, in case this is a food allergy. I am also considering bringing him to an allergist, as this looks very severe and he obviously can not stay on steroids forever. Does anyone have any ideas for treatment or diagnosis? Also, does anyone know anyone who might adopt Charlie? He is one of the best cats I ever met. When he has his fur, he is gorgeous, and is very affectionate, extremely mellow and easy to work with (goes right in a carrier, etc.), gets along well with cats and I would guess with dogs and kids too because he is such a mellow teddy bear-like cat. The problem is that he is FIV+, could become diabetic again in the future, has a heart murmur, and obviously has some kind of allergy. But the allergy started recently and I think that if he could get out of that yard and have his own food it might stop. I would take him home myself, but I already have FeLV+ cats and a negative, who I keep separate, as well as a dog with cancer. Besides having to redivide the house for Charlie, my partner, Gray, has begged me not to take in any more animals,
RE: Off Topic - Tipper
Title: Message Dear Sheila Sending lots of positive vibes for Tip's safe return. (My Tiger went missing for 4 days so I know how you feel.) Praying that Tip walks through your door very soon. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:19 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Off Topic - TipperPlease pray for the safe return of my Tip. He has been missing for four nights and I'm so worried I can't think straight. He is two yrs old and he goes out some but he doesn't leave the yard. My yard is completely fenced in and he weighs 20 lb. so I thought he couldn't climb over. I have searched day and night every place I think he could be. He is one of my group who is not felv+. I love him so much. Please keep us in your prayers. Your good thoughts always helps. I don't post very often, but I read all yours. I don't know what I would do without you. Thanks, Sheila This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. <>
RE: Tip is Gone
Title: Message Sheila, I am so, so sorry. I'm crying with you. I'm glad that Tip knew a good life with you, and that you at least know what happened to him, and won't have to wonder for ever. But I know how it must hurt. love and hugs, and thinking of you, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 10:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Tip is GoneI couldn't sleep tonight so I got a flash light and look again in the wooded area behind my house. I found my baby he has been dead for a couple days. His body was wet from rain we had over the weekend. I don't know how he died but it looks like maybe dogs or a car hit him. I am so overwhelmed with grief and guilt how could I let this happen to him. He was a big gentle love bug. I don't know if I'll ever get over this loss. I guess I have learned the hard way that there is no safe place out side. We will bury him in the morning next to his Mother. Thank you all for listening and for the prayers. Love, Sheila This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. <>
RE: opening for felv+ baby male
Hi Kristi I will be looking for homes for my felv foster kitties. (See below---I think Nina is probably the only person that already knows this. We had a discussion about why I still describe them as "foster") One of them, Mickey, is a very cute male (to my eyes, he looks like the feline equivalent of Brad Pitt--same face shape, cute expression, and big eyes!). He's approx 1 year 5 months old, and is neutered. Like all my felv kitties, he's also feral--also like all of them, he hangs around me, but won't let me pet him. I feel that if he had a real home (instead of being confined to the 2nd bedroom), and were separated from the others, he would soon become tame. (I could be wrong of course---I don't have enough experience to really know---it just seems to me as I observe them all that they could so easily become tame in the right situation.) There are 2 reasons I need to find Mickey and his 3 pals homes: first, there's a 50/50 chance I will have to relocate back to Britain, and I legally wouldn't be allowed to take the positive kitties. For the kitties' sake, I don't want to have to scramble to find homes for them if and when it happens; and secondly, they need REAL homes where they can run around like kitties are supposed to, instead of being cooped up in a bedroom. I've already lost Caramel and Levi (who were the same age as Mickey) and it cuts me up that they never had freedom to run around. I don't know if Melissa's Chili & Salsa are male---if they are, and if there were a choice (!), then Melissa's kitties have more priority (tho I think she said, understandably, that she wants to keep them together?). Also, they're probably tame! I know it's NOT going to be easy to find mine homes, and I've been putting it off (I adore the little souls) but I'm going to have to face up to it. So I figured I should put a bid in for Mickey. I'm in Chicago. Whatever happens, it's wonderful to know that an Felv kitty is being actively sought and will get a good home! Thanks for the post, Kristi! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: opening for felv+ baby male Hi everyone- Just thought I'd let you know that a client at my vet hospital has an opening for a young male felv+. She is an excellent mom and has been adopting felv+ for as long as I can remember. Right now she has 4 girls (all young) and 1 adult male. The male will only accept very young or baby cats, he likes to play foster daddy. Anyway she is looking for specifically a male because of the current ratio, and she hasn't had a baby boy in a while. If anyone know of a felv+ in need of a home, prefferably in the Mass area let me know. Thank you Kristi This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Gary update
Dear Jill I'm so sorry to hear the sad news of Gary. I feel like I got to know her through your posts, and I know how sorely you must miss the little furball and her great personality. But I'm glad that she knew what it was to be in a loving, caring home. We'll miss you, too---take care, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jill Poe Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Gary update We had to euthanise Gary on Friday night. She was looking really good last Sunday/Monday and only looked OK on Tuesday but by Wednesday night/Thursday morning she had stopped eating completely and Thursday did not move at all (except to occassionally turn over). Force feeding was not an option because it could have landed her back in the oxygen tank. I now believe that the ONLY treatment for her anemia that she benefitted from was the blood transfusion, and we knew that the effects that had would be temporary. She didn't seem to respond favorably (or at least quickly) to the Epogen or the steroids and taking heroic measures (force or tube feeding, another temporary blood transfusion, etc.) would not have been humane, in our opinion. She was very weak and her quality life had disappeared almost overnight. We are very sad but not surprised by Gary's outcome. We were hoping she would be healthy for longer but are grateful that we could give her a nice couple of months so she didn't have to die in the shelter or on the street. She had a great personality and will be impossible to replace. FYI: I'm going to unsub from list. I only have limited experience with FeLV and this was my only cat with it. Several people on list have much more and similar experience to share with new members and all of my posts are in the archive so I don't feel it's necessary for me to stay. Thank you everyone for your advice and support! Jill __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home
Title: Message Had to chuckle at your self-desciption, Michelle! Must remember that one! (I'm still catching up on posts) Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 9:04 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT: Charlie (FIV+ in MA) needs help and a home Yes, I am very lucky to have found him. Sometimes he seems too good to be true. Especially since I often seem like a "special needs" partner! Michelle In a message dated 2/17/05 9:58:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By the way, your Gray seems like a wonderful human, you chose well.Nina This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Kidney infection the specialist thinks
Title: Message That's great news. There's something SO reassuring about seeing kitties enjoying their food! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara LoweSent: Monday, February 21, 2005 6:20 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Kidney infection the specialist thinks good evening, since everyone was sohelpful about my sister's cat with the crf and the links, thought I'd post an update. her vet did a sonogram and the specialist thinks it's a kidney infection-so 6 weeks of antibiotics. the anaesthia also gave Hamish an appetite because he wolfed down can after can and even had food all over his big face which was very heartening for my sister who has been opening can after can and sour cream and yogurt and deli food etc to tempt him. the vet said it's something in the anesthesia that gives the cats appetite. whatever, let's just hope the specialist is right. barbara This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Ginger & Vitamin B 12-folic acid injections
Title: Message And mine. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 6:22 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Ginger & Vitamin B 12-folic acid injections My goodness Hideyo, where do you find the time to cook let alone the money ;-)) You can come cat sit for me any day Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hideyo, your cats have it good! Michelle In a message dated 2/22/05 6:47:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: She eats definitely still – but she doesn’t pig out – like yesterday, she ate about ½ of a really thick stakes in two separate meals – where as she would also eat two full plates of turkey and chicken additionally - This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Ginger & Vitamin B 12-folic acid injections/Michelle
YesI can relate..buying and preparing chicken and liver always goes against the grain (pun not intended). But whatever kitty needs, kitty gets, right! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 7:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Ginger & Vitamin B 12-folic acid injections/Michelle Hey Michelle - I'm a vegetarian, was a vegan, I certainly feed my cats different from myself. Weird, first time I went out to by liver. Gloria At 06:01 PM 2/22/2005, you wrote: >Oh, I know, but to tell the truth I never would have thought of cooking a >steak. I'm a vegan and although I have boiled and broiled chicken and >liver for sick cats, steak never occurred to me. Now it will. >Michelle > >In a message dated 2/22/05 6:59:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >You know how we are - we feed better to our loving cats that we feed >ourselves, right? > >Anything she would eat, I would give if you know what I mean... This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Ginger & Vitamin B 12-folic acid injections
Title: Message Hideyo, sending good vibes and positive energy for Ginger. You're both in my thoughts, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 4:07 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Ginger & Vitamin B 12-folic acid injections Do you know where I can get folic acid and B-12 injections? I asked my vet to order from their suppliers, but it’s taking way too long and want to get it sooner for Ginger as she did not eat as much yesterday – and I am a bit paranoid that she is going to stop eating again and also a bit freaking out – please send her a good healing vibes, everyone, please!! This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: for Marlene New to List
Title: Message Hi Marlene---welcome to the group, though I'm very sorry for the reason you've had to find us. You won't find a more informed, supportive, caring, wonderful bunch of people than this one. They've been a total godsend for me! It's always a shock to discover a kitty has felv. I'm glad Pekoe has such a caring "mum." I discovered in December 2003 that 5 of the 6 rescue kitties I took in were felv positive. I did not separate the one that was negative as I figured they'd already been together for several months without her becoming felv positive, and it would be too traumatic for her (they're also feral, and she was ironically the one that was the most afraid of humans) to be separated. (She re-tested negative.) I do have them quarantined in the 2nd bedroom, away from my 3 tame, negative cats. But I know many of the list members vaccinate their negative cats and then mix their negs and positives. That appears to be very successful-I've heard of none that have contracted felv. I had to go on a crash course, so to speak, in dealing with FeLV cats and I found that their diet (not surprisingly) is SO important. My most precious references are this wonderful group and Anitra Frazier's The Natural Cat Book. Here are the salient points: ~~Give only filtered water. ~~Feed only high grade/human grade pet food. That is NOT Iams or Science diet-type, which has nasty by-products, and which I now know, by no means represents the gold standard in pet food, but the much higher quality brands without by-products, additives or preservatives, eg Wellness, Innova, Petguard, that you find in the independent pet stores (you won't find these high-quality foods in the Petco/Petsmart chains). I give mine Petguard wet food (from Wholefoods) and Wellness wet and dry food morning and evening. ~~Add these supplements morning and evening to Pekoe's wet food, to boost his immune system: a 500mg L-Lysin pill (grind first), easily available from pharmacies/healthfood stores, 1/4 tsp feline enzymes, 1 teaspoon of 'Vita-Mineral Mix' (I'll send you the details separately). Also, gradually, as I was able to obtain them (not difficult as it turned out, everything is available in health food stores or Internet) I added most of the remainder of the supplements Frazier recommends: CoQ10, bioplasma, olive oil, cod liver oil and alfalfa. And I give them interferon. Got it thru Walgreen's (eventually) on my vet's prescription, and he made it up for me. You will get tons more advice and help from others on the list! Good luck Marlene, and a big hug for Pekoe! Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlene ChornieSent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:45 AMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: New to List Hello All, I'm new to this list. I just discovered yesterday that one of our 2 cats (Pekoe and Digby) has Feline Leukemia. Pekoe (the one that has it) is 15 months old, and Digby is 1 yr. + 8 months old. We adopted them from a local SPCA only last July, after our 20 + 1/2 yr. old "Casper" died from complications of CRF that we had been successfully treating for 4 yrs. The only information I have at this point is that Pekoe is anaemic (PCV is 17%), we're giving him a 3 week course of Apo-Doxy (until the test results come back for Hemobartanella). Our vet is running some further blood tests, and Digby is going to be tested today, and again in 3 weeks (if he tests Neg.). We've separated them (litter boxes, food dishes, etc.). I fast became somewhat of an "expert" in dealing with Casper's CRF, but I must admit - I know little to nothing about caring for a Feline Leukemia cat. Any and all information/support would be welcomed. Thanks, Marlene This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
for Sally-- San Fran & feral champion
Dear Sally
I've been carrying your letter in my bag for almost a weekmy
apologies for not replying earlier...I want to thank you so very much
for your kind words, and for taking the trouble to write...I so
appreciate not just this wonderful email you sent me but ALL your emails
you send to us all. They are always so supportive and so informative.
For my part, my condolences email to you when your horse passed away in
the middle of January slipped through the net. I hope late is better
than never, to say I'm very sorry for your loss of your dear old friend.
Thanks too for the info on the San Francisco program. We need a
similarly "dynamic young attorney" and a Dr Dana Gleason here in
Chicago. What San Francisco has achieved is so impressive, and truly a
model for the rest of the U.S., not to mention the world.
I'm still pretty cut up about Levi, and I still have questions that I'd
like to put to the group. I'll try and do so in the next few days.
Luckily the remaining 3 positive kitties and Momcat (negative) are all
doing well, and look the picture of bouncing health. I'm appreciating
every day I have with them.
Your email of 2/21 to Chris ("Hills food question")is timely for me too,
as I'm trying to get a handle on how much they're eating v. how much
they should be eating. Even allowing for the fact that we've lost
Caramel and Levi, it seems to me they're eating significantly less since
Caramel went. (Having said that, they look plump enough. Re-reading your
email, perhaps it's because they're that bit older now---17 months, now)
Anyway, I've begun recording how much they're actually eating. I've been
trying to get them to eat more wet and less dry---I give them Petguard
or Wellness wet in the morning, and the same in the evening with the
addition at the end of the evening of Wellness dry. They adore the
Wellness dry, and your email gave me an insight into why. I think
they've got into the habit of cutting back on the wet because they know
the dry is coming!
You mentioned the difficulties of taking care of ferals who are not
cuddly and cooperative, and you are right that they are completely
uncooperative; and of course they are not cuddle-able. The frustrating
thing is that they are so darn cuddly-LOOKING, especially the two little
tabbies, Mickey and Flavia--I long to give the scamps a cuddle, but they
play so hard to get 365/24/7! One day.
Thanks again for all your fantastic input, Sally. I so appreciate it.
Kerry
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 3:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: San Fran & feral champion
Hi Kerry...
I can't remember if I ever sent you a message after Levi passed away.
That
was a crazy weekend for me and then we were having so many problems with
the
list and I was enduring my own kind of AOHell. When I couldn't log on,
an
outsourced consultant told me my AOL software was damaged and my disc
drive, for
whatever reason, could or would not read a disc to reinstall it and they
told me
nothing could be done. But I started digging on my own, computer dummy
that
I am, and decided to try defragging the drives, even though only one
drive was
16% fragmented. That seemed to do the trick and I was able to log on
again
to find an overflowing mailbox.
You have my utmost admiration for all your efforts dealing with FeLV+
ferals
who are not cuddly and cooperative with regards to getting meds. It is
difficult enough when you are trying to dose a cat who is even halfway
cooperative.
You did the very best you could trying to help Levi. Perhaps he tried
so
hard to stick around even though it was apparent he was not going to be
able to
get well because his alpha personality made him think he had to try and
be
there for his remaining siblings. He was sure a gutsy little guy and you
did the
best you could to try and help him. Sometimes our best is just not
enough, and
this is so often true when dealing with FeLV. If we can keep them
stable
with immune support and a good diet and try to minimize the stress in
their life,
that is about the best we can do until it is better understood what it
is
that causes the FeLV-A subgroup to mutate into one of the more virulent
subgroups, and a way can be found to stall or halt that process (better
yet a cure for
the whole damned gamut of FeLV and its subgroups!) Levi and his
littermates
were so lucky to have come into your care, and I am sure he and the
others
know that. The pain of the losses may never go away completely, but we
have to
put it in perspective and go on trying to help the others still in our
care.
I could really feel for what you have to go through after I rescued a
little
5 mo. old off the E-list at the local shelter to be a playmate for
Purrki, my
miracle bably who retested negative for FeLV when he was neutered in
Dec. '04.
She was on the E-list because she had a minor URI and t
off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noise when she breathes?
Hi everyone I need some advice re breathing. I realized my negative cat Trixie's breathing has become audible--it sounds a bit like snoring (I don't know if cats snore as such?), but she's often awake when I hear it. I've made an apptmt for another check-up (she had her last physical in November) but my vet, who I trust totally, can't see her till March 5. Any ideas? Should I be sufficiently concerned to get her an earlier apptmt with a different vet? Thanks in advance, Kerry This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noise when shebreathes?
Title: RE: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noise when shebreathes? Thanks for your input, Barb, Cherie, Sally and Karolynmuch appreciated. Trixie snoring when she's asleep has always amused me. I guess what worries me now is a) that her breathing is often accompanied by the "snoring" sound while she is awake (and not just when she's asleep) and b) this is a new development. I was concerned it may be a symptom of a potentially serious breathing/chest/lung problem. What I will say is that the noise is not always there; and when it is there, I've noticed that when I reach to pet her, her purring takes over and I don't hear the noise any more. thanks again Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Karolyn Lount Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 3:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noise when shebreathes? Yes..Cats do snoreI have had some nights when I felt I was trying to sleep in a very large dorm. I have one cat that makes strange sounds while breathing. I have had her for 5yrs. and she is as healthy as a horse(as the saying goes) I whould still have your Vet check out your kitty for the sound she is making This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noise when shebreathes?
Title: Message Thanks Julie. Yes, will definitely be having Trixie checked out. It's the fact that it's a new development that's bothering me. (She's always snored when asleep, but until now not while she's awake.) Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie JohnsonSent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:07 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noise when shebreathes? Hi Kerry, I also have a few cats who are noisy! For some it's because they're old, for one (Bleau) it's because he's a tub, and for the others, it's 'just because'. It's worth having checked though, just to rule out asthma; Boo-Boo developed asthma and it came on quite suddenly. Julie "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi everyoneI need some advice re breathing.I realized my negative cat Trixie's breathing has become audible--itsounds a bit like snoring (I don't know if cats snore as such?), butshe's often awake when I hear it.I've made an apptmt for another check-up (she had her last physical inNovember) but my vet, who I trust totally, can't see her till March 5.Any ideas? Should I be sufficiently concerned to get her an earlierapptmt with a different vet?Thanks in advance, KerryThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you sho! uld not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail."I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noise whenshebreathes?
Title: Message No not my problem--I have a permanent "cold"! I should buy Kleenex stock. But yes, I don't have a humidifier in the general house (the positive kitties have my one humidifier in their room). Thanks Julie---I'll keep you (all) posted---Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie JohnsonSent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:10 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noise whenshebreathes? Hi Again Kerry, Are you noticing any dryness of your own nasal passages? It could be that the long winter of dry, heated indoor air is getting to her. You could put a big pot of water on the stove and do a quick humidification and see if that makes a difference. I definately need to do that this weekend; my nose feels like sandpaper! Julie"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for your input, Barb, Cherie, Sally and Karolynmuch appreciated. Trixie snoring when she's asleep has always amused me. I guess what worries me now is a) that her breathing is often accompanied by the "snoring" sound while she is awake (and not just when she's asleep) and b) this is a new development. I was concerned it may be a symptom of a potentially serious breathing/chest/lung problem. What I will say is that the noise is not always there; and when it is there, I've noticed that when I reach to pet her, her purring takes over and I don't hear the noise any more. thanks again Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Karolyn Lount Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 3:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noise when shebreathes? Yes..Cats do snoreI have had some nights when I felt I was trying to sleep in a very large dorm. I have one cat that makes strange sounds while breathing. I have had her for 5yrs. and she is as healthy as a horse(as the saying goes) I whould still have your Vet check out your kitty for the sound she is making This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should n! ot disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: OT: Lovey and Merry Home! :) - VERY LONG!
Title: Message Yes, that is some story! Kudos to you, Brenda. I'm pretty sure I would not have been able to undertake that journey with all these injuries. Those kitties are so lucky Kerry"Brenda K. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Again. Peggy, will you call Tinley and pass my previous email info to her and also this email info? I get her email bounced back every time I sent one to her work. OK, changed my mind. I think Lovey is a Ragdoll. He has the same type of fur that my Baby Kitty has and she is a Tortie Point Birman. She is a mix and rather than the white mittens that Birmans have her paws are tortie point. But, she has the Birman fur that never mats. I did some research of my pedigree books and Lovey looks almost exactly like a Ragdoll. Some Ragdolls have the white mitten paws, but some have the chocolate paws like Lovey. Two or three times now I have picked him up under the armpits with both hands and hold him and he justs hangs down and loves it. It doesn't really matter what he ! is, but I like to match them as close as possible when I can. He continues to be adorable. He lays next to me on the couch and then up on my daughter's lap and lays there. He wants to be fair you know. lol Right now precious Merry is laying on my bed. Whenever I go in there she starts to purr. I stop and pet her, give her kisses and she rolls over on her side. :) She came up from the basement earlier tonight and wanted to eat. She had 1/2 can and nibbled on some dry. She is starting a mat by her neck and her ears are quite dirty. I'm just not doing too much to her except get her Interferon down until she feels more comfortable here, but she is definitely responding. We were to pick them up Monday night around 9:30 PM in Portage, WI. Thanks to the selfless wonderful Gail, Valerie, Mitch and Tom (along with all the great people who were helping) we were going to accomplish th! is goal. Gail kept the cats two nights and started after a long day at work Monday evening getting them to Valerie and Mitch. Valerie and Mitch started after work when Gail passed the cats to them. Then Valerie & Mitch passed the cats onto Tom in Beloit, WI. Tom was to drive to Portage, WI and meet us at 9:15 to 9:30 PM. Everthing started out fine for us. We were getting ready and planned to leave at 2:00 PM central time in order to be able to stop for dinner and get to Portage in plenty of time. I was getting ready and around 1:15 PM my husband told me he accidentally spilled his coffee on the carpeted stairs when coming into the house through the back door which also leds down to the basement. He said he tried to wipe it up. I asked him to spray it with Nature's Miracle, scrub it, wipe it up and then spray a coating to let it dry. It's an enzyme eater and works wonderfully. I tho! ught it was just a small area on the step. It turned out to be the entire first step, second step and onto the landing rug and they were soaked and slippery. A few minutes later after my husband had worked on the spot, my daughter went downstairs to get something for the trip. I heard her go and went into the kitchen to go down the two steps to yell at her to get something else so she didn't have to make two trips. I was barefoot. I am always barefoot in the house summer and winter. Must be my early beginnings. I was born in Paducah, KY. :) Anyway, all of my floors are oak with no carpets. The two stairs to go down to the landing to go to the basement or out the back door are carpeted with a tweed carpet. As soon as my right front foot hit the first step (it felt like an ice skating rink ice) it slid right off the step passed the second step to the landing, my left foot and leg were still on the oak floor so my left leg and foot! ended up backward under me and my right foot kept going while my right arm was trying to save myself from hurling on down to the basement. At all of our doorways because of boarding dogs in our home we have the older wooden accordian type gates. The one at the doorway in the kitchen which leads to the basement and outside has been busted through and eaten through at times. Those types of gates are hard to find. Anyway, my husband has tried to keep repairing them. He had screwed the slats together the last time with screws and nuts. My left front thigh was in intense pain, the complete top of my left foot and four toes were immediately purple, stiff and swollen. At the time my left leg turned under me my right thigh must have hit the edge of the oak floor just before the stairs and the rest of my right leg hit the stairs hard. My daughter was running up the stairs to me as soon as she heard me fall. I was unable to speak or move t! he pain was so intense. She kept screa
RE: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noise whenshebreathes?
Title: Message No-her behavior and appearance are fine. (She's negative.which helps.) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:11 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noise whenshebreathes? Are there no other symptoms?"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks Julie. Yes, will definitely be having Trixie checked out. It's the fact that it's a new development that's bothering me. (She's always snored when asleep, but until now not while she's awake.) Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie JohnsonSent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:07 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noise when shebreathes? Hi Kerry, I also have a few cats who are noisy! For some it's because they're old, for one (Bleau) it's because he's a tub, and for the others, it's 'just because'. It's worth having checked though, just to rule out asthma; Boo-Boo developed asthma and it came on quite suddenly. Julie "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi everyoneI need some advice re breathing.I realized my negative cat Trixie's breathing has become audible--itsounds a bit like snoring (I don't know if cats snore as such?), butshe's often awake when I hear it.I've made an apptmt for another check-up (she had her last physical inNovember) but my vet, who I trust totally, can't see her till March 5.Any ideas? Should I be sufficiently concerned to get her an earlierapptmt with a different vet?Thanks in advance, KerryThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you sho! ! uld not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail."I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making anoisewhenshebreathes?
Title: Message Thanks Hideyo---no, Trixie is actually quite the trim little thing. She watches her figure (doesn't care much for proprietary treats but loves plain yogurt!)...Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:35 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making anoisewhenshebreathes? I have a cat who snorts too, and breath loud – with no other symptoms at all – I have taken her to the vet and asked them about it – but they did not seem to be concerned – is your cat on heavy side? Mine is, and they though it might have something to do with it – so I am trying to help her lose weight – hideyo -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:31 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noisewhenshebreathes? No-her behavior and appearance are fine. (She's negative.which helps.) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:11 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noise whenshebreathes? Are there no other symptoms?"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks Julie. Yes, will definitely be having Trixie checked out. It's the fact that it's a new development that's bothering me. (She's always snored when asleep, but until now not while she's awake.) Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie JohnsonSent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:07 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noise when shebreathes? Hi Kerry, I also have a few cats who are noisy! For some it's because they're old, for one (Bleau) it's because he's a tub, and for the others, it's 'just because'. It's worth having checked though, just to rule out asthma; Boo-Boo developed asthma and it came on quite suddenly. Julie "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi everyoneI need some advice re breathing.I realized my negative cat Trixie's breathing has become audible--itsounds a bit like snoring (I don't know if cats snore as such?), butshe's often awake when I hear it.I've made an apptmt for another check-up (she had her last physical inNovember) but my vet, who I trust totally, can't see her till March 5.Any ideas? Should I be sufficiently concerned to get her an earlierapptmt with a different vet?Thanks in advance, KerryThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you sho! ! uld not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message
RE: off-topic/should I worry about kittymakinganoisewhenshebreathes?
Title: Message The funny thing is, since posting my Q re Trixie, the "snoring while awake" seems to have totally stopped. I'll be keeping a close ey, or shuld I say ear, over the next 2-3 days and if everything seems fine may well cancel the vet. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Friday, February 25, 2005 2:56 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: off-topic/should I worry about kittymakinganoisewhenshebreathes? Hummm – let me know what you find out from your vet – I am very interested, too. Do you it has anything to do thyroid or something? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 1:47 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: off-topic/should I worry about kitty makinganoisewhenshebreathes? Thanks Hideyo---no, Trixie is actually quite the trim little thing. She watches her figure (doesn't care much for proprietary treats but loves plain yogurt!)...Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:35 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making anoisewhenshebreathes? I have a cat who snorts too, and breath loud – with no other symptoms at all – I have taken her to the vet and asked them about it – but they did not seem to be concerned – is your cat on heavy side? Mine is, and they though it might have something to do with it – so I am trying to help her lose weight – hideyo -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:31 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noisewhenshebreathes? No-her behavior and appearance are fine. (She's negative.which helps.) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:11 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noise whenshebreathes? Are there no other symptoms?"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks Julie. Yes, will definitely be having Trixie checked out. It's the fact that it's a new development that's bothering me. (She's always snored when asleep, but until now not while she's awake.) Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie JohnsonSent: Friday, February 25, 2005 9:07 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noise when shebreathes? Hi Kerry, I also have a few cats who are noisy! For some it's because they're old, for one (Bleau) it's because he's a tub, and for the others, it's 'just because'. It's worth having checked though, just to rule out asthma; Boo-Boo developed asthma and it came on quite suddenly. Julie "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi everyoneI need some advice re breathing.I realized my negative cat Trixie's breathing has become audible--itsounds a bit like snoring (I don't know if cats snore as such?), butshe's often awake when I hear it.I've made an apptmt for another check-up (she had her last physical inNovember) but my vet, who I trust totally, can't see her till March 5.Any ideas? Should I be sufficiently concerned to get her an earlierapptmt with a different vet?Thanks in advance, KerryThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you sho! ! uld not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you ha
RE: [Fwd: Re: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noise when shebreathes?]
Thanks---seems there is probably nothing to worry about re Trixie, since everyone has heard similar sounds. Nothing else in her behavior has changed--she's as naughty as ever, thank goodness. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 5:03 PM To: FeLVTalkNew Subject: [Fwd: Re: off-topic/should I worry about kitty making a noise when shebreathes?] i have a lot of persians, so we have LOTS of funny breathing noises around here... the noises change from time to time, from cat to cat, and basically i just note the difference, pay attention to any other symptoms (including flea-re-emergence/allergy problems!). nothing has ever turned out to be anything serious--sometimes they just seem to, um, change their tune? i'm in michigan, so forced-air heat and lack of humidity are a given in the winter. i have fountains all over the house--they calm me down, keep the humidity up, and function as the preferred water bowls for some of the kids... (these are NOT the cat fountains, but the human ones--and they are filled with everyday tap water because my cats HATE distilled or spring water; they seem to really like their water to have texture) i have a batch of maine-coonabees around here, too, so a full bathtub is NOT an option: they would LOVE it, and i can just see the trails of water throughout the house MC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 2/22/2005 This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Loki Advice: fleas, throwing up
My cats throw up repeatedly until they get rid of the hairball. So I'll routinely find little pools of liquid on the floor until they get rid of the hairball. The first time I ever witnessed this--before I knew anything about cats' behavior--my new cat was moving around the house and 'throwing up' every 30 seconds it seemed to me. In a total panic, I called the vet, and remember being really upset because they had to have someone call me back--they couldn't have someone talk to me right away. This was clearly an emergency and they didn't seem to understand that! :>) My vet advised mixing white petroleum jelly into their wet food to help them get rid of the hairball; that does seem to work well, and so I've been doing this for years on an irregular basis. He said it's ok to give it on consecutive days/mealtimes when it seems they're having a problem--it won't harm them. I try to remember to routinely add it twice a week to prevent it happening in the first place. It does seem to me, from my experience, that Loki's throwing up is a hairball problem. I hope it's stopped now. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Williams Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 1:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Loki Advice: fleas, throwing up Loki vomited again last night and I found for the first time a tubular shaped object that was clearly hair. Before, it was undigested food. He would sometimes vomit not long after, in which case it was a yellow-like liquid; but I thought that was simply because he had no food in his stomach after he had already thrown-up. I'm hoping the hairball was the problem and will hope he does not vomit again tonight. If so, I'll try some things. Sally also wrote me with some great suggestions. Thanks Michelle. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 6:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Loki Advice: fleas, throwing up Does he vomit a tubular shaped vomit with food still visible, or is it yellow-like liquid with no visible food, or something in-between? It makes a difference. If it is the first, it may be hairballs and treatable by giving him a little bit of Laxastat every day. My Patches has that. If it is one of the latter, it may be a digestive problem or something else. Michelle This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Loki Advice: fleas, throwing up
Title: Message Steve, sorry to ask this--it may be a dumb Q--but do you know for sure that fleas are the source of Loki's scratching? After Levi began scratching frequently I put a humidifier in the room on the advice of group members. When the vet came, she examined him and said she was "not concerned" about the scratching. The humidifier did seem to reduce the incidence of scratching among the cats in general. I hope hairballs were also the source of the throwing up. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve WilliamsSent: Friday, February 25, 2005 10:15 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Loki Advice: fleas, throwing up Recently, Loki has gotten fleas. He scratches a lot, but it doesn't seem overwhelming. I don't see any in the house, but will start a good cleaning/vacuuming regiment. I bought a flee comb, but will of course do more. Does anyone have advice on best course of action for a 9 month old FeLV+ kitty? I will also go to the vet for any prescribed treatment, but don't want to cause him a speck of stress with treatment. My vet is very good in this regard since he is opposed to poisonous stuff. For the past three days Loki has been throwing up in the early evenings. He is eating normally otherwise and this doesn't seem to faze him too much. Our feeding regiment for him has not changed. His supplements are L-Lysine and Vitamin C, which he has been give for many months. His throwing up seems to occur sometime after he has his wet food with supplements in the early afternoon (4pm-ish). Any advice or comments? Even though he is fine otherwise, this is causing me very much anxiety. Thanks for any advice. SteveThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: how to best sterilize a kitty condo?
Title: Message Cherie---thanks---can you tell me where you get Health Guard and what it is usually used for--I looked in petsmart and on the net but no luck. Thanks. -Original Message . From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 2:49 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: how to best sterilize a kitty condo? Kerry, That sounds great, you can use Health Guard 1Tbsp per quart, no rinsing. CherieKerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi allCan someone please tell me what the best way to sterilize a pre-usedcarpet-covered kitty condo would be? (It's the type that Petsmart/Petcosells, and it's tall---5'8" and totally carpet-covered.)I acquired it this morning, free, through freecycle.org (thanks so muchMelissa for spreading the word about freecycle months ago!) and I'm thrilledbecause I've wanted a nice, high condo for my bunch since they moved in.It's easy to bleach plastic items (and easy to rinse them so that there's nolingering bleach smell), and you can throw small fabric items in the washingmachine, but I'm not quite sure how to proceed with the kitty condo...I'dlike to avoid bleach if possible because I think it'll be hard to get rid ofthe bleach smell. And cats are so sensitive to smell.I looked up the archives and wondered about using the spray bottle method(would that be 30:1 water/bleach ratio?). How would I rinse the bleach offafterwards tho? This kitty condo is way too big to dunk in the bath.A thought: does anyone know if freezing temperatures would do the job? Wehave plenty of THAT here in Chicago right now, and I wondered if a night onthe porch when it's below freezing would sterilize the kitty condo?Thanks you wonderful guys for any ideas.KerryThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: how to best sterilize a kitty condo?
Thanks so much for those suggestions Sally. I'm still trying to figure out best way for me to do it (a steam cleaner sounds good but might be a prob for me logistically) but will definitely get boric acid--would that be a drugstore or hardware store? I've never used it, don't know a thing about it! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 3:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: how to best sterilize a kitty condo? Dear Kerry: Wow...that is a good question. How about a steam cleaner, like they use on car engines? That certainly ought to be hot enough to kill anything. And maybe when it is dry you can dust it with some boric acid powder (which is non-toxic...add water and it makes eye wash) to kill any fleas. Sally in San Jose This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: how to best sterilize a kitty condo?
Thanks Michelle--I'm thinking that might be the way to go, and do it on Friday night, so I can keep an eye on it when I leave it outside on Sat and Sun. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 3:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: how to best sterilize a kitty condo? If you do the spray bleach, I would think that then leaving it outside for a few days would be enough so you would not have to rinse it. I think the harmful stuff in bleach actually evaporates. But I don't use bleach much, so I'm not sure. Michelle This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: how to best sterilize a kitty condo?
Yes, the cat shelter nearest me scrubs things with 30:1 water/bleach to make them safe for the cats to be around. The counsellor I know there swears by it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 3:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: how to best sterilize a kitty condo? Any chance you can scrub it ouside with a bleach solution & then leave it out for a few days. Bleach seems to clean everything! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 2:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: how to best sterilize a kitty condo? Hi all Can someone please tell me what the best way to sterilize a pre-used carpet-covered kitty condo would be? (It's the type that Petsmart/Petco sells, and it's tall---5'8" and totally carpet-covered.) I acquired it this morning, free, through freecycle.org (thanks so much Melissa for spreading the word about freecycle months ago!) and I'm thrilled because I've wanted a nice, high condo for my bunch since they moved in. It's easy to bleach plastic items (and easy to rinse them so that there's no lingering bleach smell), and you can throw small fabric items in the washing machine, but I'm not quite sure how to proceed with the kitty condo...I'd like to avoid bleach if possible because I think it'll be hard to get rid of the bleach smell. And cats are so sensitive to smell. I looked up the archives and wondered about using the spray bottle method (would that be 30:1 water/bleach ratio?). How would I rinse the bleach off afterwards tho? This kitty condo is way too big to dunk in the bath. A thought: does anyone know if freezing temperatures would do the job? We have plenty of THAT here in Chicago right now, and I wondered if a night on the porch when it's below freezing would sterilize the kitty condo? Thanks you wonderful guys for any ideas. Kerry This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: how to best sterilize a kitty condo?
Title: Message Yes, some sun would sure help (it's snowing today...). But I'll do it this weeeknd regardless. I can't wait to see their little faces. Meanwhile I'm gearing up for the battle I'm going to have to tear it away from my 3 neg cats...who don't have a kitty condo either, and have been taking it in turns to do 24/7 sentry duty in it over the weekend. Since I brought the condo home, the little house part has NEVER been vacant. As soon as one gets out, another hops in. (A bit like parking in Chicago.) I tried to get Tiger out of it last night to give him his medication but (of course) he won. (Luckily the meds is chlamypridine, so missing one night won't harm him.) kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 6:10 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: how to best sterilize a kitty condo? I did this once. Sprayed it with a waterhose, sprayed with bleach, then sprayed wth waterhose and then let it sit for a few days. But that was in the July sunshine. tChris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Any chance you can scrub it ouside with a bleach solution & then leave itout for a few days. Bleach seems to clean everything!Chris[EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzieSent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 2:50 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: how to best sterilize a kitty condo?Hi allCan someone please tell me what the best way to sterilize a pre-usedcarpet-covered kitty condo would be? (It's the type that Petsmart/Petcosells, and it's tall---5'8" and totally carpet-covered.)I acquired it this morning, free, through freecycle.org (thanks so muchMelissa for spreading the word about freecycle months ago!) and I'm thrilledbecause I've wanted a nice, high condo for my bu! nch since they moved in.It's easy to bleach plastic items (and easy to rinse them so that there's nolingering bleach smell), and you can throw small fabric items in the washingmachine, but I'm not quite sure how to proceed with the kitty condo...I'dlike to avoid bleach if possible because I think it'll be hard to get rid ofthe bleach smell. And cats are so sensitive to smell.I looked up the archives and wondered about using the spray bottle method(would that be 30:1 water/bleach ratio?). How would I rinse the bleach offafterwards tho? This kitty condo is way too big to dunk in the bath.A thought: does anyone know if freezing temperatures would do the job? Wehave plenty of THAT here in Chicago right now, and I wondered if a night onthe porch when it's below freezing would sterilize the kitty condo?Thanks you wonderful guys for any ideas.KerryThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: how to best sterilize a kitty condo?
Title: Message Wow. Thanks for that tip. That would not have been my first thought. I have to go there this week anyway. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:34 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: how to best sterilize a kitty condo? I searched and search for Boric acid and finally found it in Whole Foods. Cherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks so much for those suggestions Sally. I'm still trying to figureout best way for me to do it (a steam cleaner sounds good but might be aprob for me logistically) but will definitely get boric acid--would thatbe a drugstore or hardware store? I've never used it, don't know a thingabout it! Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 3:03 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: how to best sterilize a kitty condo?Dear Kerry:Wow...that is a good question. How about a steam cleaner, like they useon car engines? That certainly ought to be hot enough to kill anything.And maybe when it is dry you can dust it with some boric acid powder (whichis non-toxic...add water and it makes eye wash) to kill any fleas.Sally in San JoseThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: off-topic: looking for suggestions re dying dog
What can I say, Sallyapart from how grateful I am to you for the trouble you once again took yesterday. Speaking to Judy throughout the day and evening, it seemed that your advice is pretty well how it happened. She allowed Moo Shui to do and be however she wished (e.g., drinking, not eating; and seeking a place on her own, but sometimes wanting to be with Judy). She was then extremely fortunate in finding a housecall vet who could not have been more compassionate (the 2 housecall vets I've used were not particularly compassionate--not even the one who calls himself "the Compassionate Vet"!), explained the process to her very patiently and gently over the phone, and came to her house in the evening, and again took as much time as was required for Moo Shui's and Judy's comfort. A sedative was given, which apparently takes 5-10 mins to kick in. Having already taken Moo Shui to an emergency clinic and vet earlier in the week, she knew she did not want to go that route for Moo Shui's final moments. I had talked to Judy earlier in the week about my calling an AC, but she was highly sceptical, so I didn't push it yesterday. This is the first time Judy has had to deal with a pet death, and it seemed to go as "well" as it possibly could. I think that will make acceptance easier for her and her remaining dog. I know I will also have to deal with this eventuality again, as we all do, so I'm especially grateful for your advice. Having this knowledge makes a world of difference. thank you again, Sally, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 3:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: off-topic: looking for suggestions re dying dog Dear Kerry: It is not unusual for an animal that is near death to seek isolation in a quiet spot. A dying animal should not be fed, only offered water and vegetable juices. Some will welcome the presence of their loving guardians, but they should be protected from too much noise and lots of activity going on around them. Some wish to be completely alone and will seek a cool, dark place to hide. Others will prefer warmth if it is offered. Personally, I prefer to talk to my critters with the help of an animal communicator prior to and just before they are ready to cross over. First, I ask them if they want help in crossing (they usually tell me No), or if they will accept it if I think it is necessary. I also ask my furkids if they have any requests as to their final days/hours and what I can do to make them more comfortable. Purrsia wanted to see green things growing and I brought plants into the room for her, and even though she was deaf, she also liked a little table-top fountain; some crystals and certain scents of aromatherapy also pleased her. Velvet asked for soft music and to be alone except for her buddy Caramel. She wanted to pass on her own, but I had to go out of town and could not just leave her alone to die...she then said she would accept help, but would I please hold her on my lap when the vet came. Angel just wanted me to hold her and talk to her...she didn't need my help to cross over, just my permission to leave. In general, some things that can ease a pet's distress as the end draws near might be Rescue Remedy which can have a calming effect and sometimes aromatherapy can also be helpful. Energy work, such as Reiki or other similar techniques, can help an animal relax and feel less paniful and stressed. One of the animal communciators I have used is also skilled in doing energy work and it has made my critters visibly more comfortable, almost serene. Accupuncture can also have a calming, relaxing effect. Most vets will first administer a sedative of some sort before injecting the euthanasia drug. With smaller animals such as dogs and cats it is usually a very peaceful process. The only stress involved is in finding a vein and making the initial injection of sedative. Perhaps this can be mimimized if the critter is given some rescue remedy a short while before the vet arrives. I do know that home euthanasia is far less stressful (and less emotionally painful) than having it done at a clinic. In his book, Natural Health for Dogs and Cats, Dr. Pitcairn has a chapter on dealing with death and dying and he mentions several homeopathic remedies that can help ease the dying process: give one pellet every 2-3 hours as needed for relief of symptoms. If there is no change for the better after a max of 3 doses, then the remedy is not appropriate to the situation. If so, choose one of the others or simply use Bach's rescue remedy, instead. Once some relief is seen, no more is needed. Arsenicum album 30C is the major remedy needed in handling 95% of dying animals. The indications are restlessness, fear, discomfort, extreme weakness, increased thirst and coldness. Not all these elements need to be
RE: how to best sterilize a kitty condo?
Title: Message Thanks Cherie! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:33 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: how to best sterilize a kitty condo? Here is the link http://revivalanimal.com/product.asp?pn=29-610"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Cherie---thanks---can you tell me where you get Health Guard and what it is usually used for--I looked in petsmart and on the net but no luck. Thanks. -Original Message . From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 2:49 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: how to best sterilize a kitty condo? Kerry, That sounds great, you can use Health Guard 1Tbsp per quart, no rinsing. CherieKerry MacKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi allCan someone please tell me what the best way to sterilize a pre-usedcarpet-covered kitty condo would be? (It's the type that Petsmart/Petcosells, and it's tall---5'8" and totally carpet-covered.)I acquired it this morning, free, through freecycle.org (thanks so muchMelissa for spreading the word about freecycle months ago!) and I'm thrilledbecause I've wanted a nice, high condo for my bunch since they moved in.It's easy to bleach plastic items (and easy to rinse them so that there's nolingering bleach smell), and you can throw small fabric items in the washingmachine, but I'm not quite sure how to proceed with the kitty condo...I'dlike to avoid bleach if possible because I think it'll be hard to get rid ofthe bleach smell. And cats are so sensitive to smell.I looked up the archives and wondered about using the spray bottle method(would that be 30:1 water/bleach ratio?). How would I rinse the bleach offafterwards tho? This kitty condo is way too big to dunk in the bath.A thought: does anyone know if freezing temperatures would do the job? Wehave plenty of THAT here in Chicago right now, and I wondered if a night onthe porch when it's below freezing would sterilize the kitty condo?Thanks you wonderful guys for any ideas.KerryThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: New FeLV+ Cat, transfusion yesterday. Please see blood results.
Sally, thanks again. Your reply has helped comfort me in regards to my decision on 1/26 re Levi. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 8:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New FeLV+ Cat, transfusion yesterday. Please see blood results. Dear Melbeach: You are right in assuming that the blood transfusion will only give Brissle a temporary reprieve from the severe anemia. An HCT of 9 and below is considered within the parameters of "non-regenerative" anemia, i.e. not enough red blood cells are being produced to make up for those being destroyed. Did the vet tell you what is causing the anemia? If it is caused by a blood parasite such as hemobaratonella, which can be difficult to diagnose, that can be treated with doxycycline. If the bone marrow is still able to produce red blood cells, sometimes Epogen and injectable steroids can have an effect. But if the anemia is FeLV-induced and due to destruction of the bone marrow, blood transfusions are only a temporary measure, nor will anything dietary in the way of iron or B-vite supplements have a significant effect...the HCT will continue to decline until insufficient RBC are being produced to sustain life and without enough oxygen, the organs will begin to "suffocate" and start to break down...the cat just gets weaker and weaker until death occurs. I'm not sure what your vet meant by being concerned about "lymph issues." Did he mean he thought Brissle might have lymphoma or cancer of the lymphatic system?? I am certainly no authority on reading blood values, but elevated Amylase can be due to kidney dysfunction or pancreatitis, and Globulin is a blood protein and can be elevated by chronic inflammation or "certain diseases," though which diseases do this were not specified. Brissle's HCT of 9.7% is borderline non-regenerative. The transfusion should improve that, and if her bone marrow is still functioning, there is a chance it may "take" and keep her going for a while, but, it will depend on whether or not her bone marrow can continue to produce sufficient RBC. I believe there is a test that can be done to determine that. Ask your vet. I lost my first FeLV+ kitten to non-regenertive anemia. She failed so quickly, there was nothing I could do to help her. Even if I'd been able to afford a transfusion for her, she was so weak the stress of the procedure may have been too much for her to handle, and when I talked to her via an animal communicator, she told me she did not think she could get well and wanted to leave her body, so I just kept her as comfortable as I could and she crossed over on her own volition. It was only 16 days from the time she first showed any symptoms (a runny eye and temp) to the day she passed. When a cat develops FeLV-induced, non-regnerative anemia, it is not a matter of "if" but "when" and the process usually proceeds rather quickly. A transfusion can help for a few days to a week, so I would enjoy whatever time you may have with Brissle. But do STAY POSITIVE and don't give up hope, yet, as there may be some other cause for her anemia that may be treatable. If there is not, realize you did everything you could, keep her comfortable and allow her to have a peaceful passing surrounded by your loving energy. Hoping for the best for Brissle and not the worst... Sally in San Jose This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Fwd: Veterinary Secrets, Issue #007 -- Treat Your Pet At Home!
Title: Message Yes, thanks for that Cherie. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:41 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT:Fwd: Veterinary Secrets, Issue #007 -- Treat Your Pet At Home! Thought you guys might find this interesting CherieNote: forwarded message attached.This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re Sheila's post
Title: Re Sheila's post http://www.kittywalksystems.com/kisybu.htm Hi all I missed the beginning of this dialogue. Anyone ever used any of these kittywalks? They look kinda claustrophobic (as well as expensive). What d'you think? I live in a condo and have a very small porch -- probably 6 foot wide x 6 foot long. Still, it would be great to have some sort of folding mesh enclosure that I could set up at the weekends with safe plants etc. esp. as I'm feeling increasingly like a jailor. (Getting them in there (and out again) while they're still untamed will be a whole other story, of course.) Kerry In a message dated 2/27/2005 10:27:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.bemikitties.com/cgi-bin/photo/index.cgi?mode=view&album=/Kitty-Play-Pen That is great. I was thinking about a screened porch, but I believe they would like something like this even better. They can feel the grass on there little feet and have a great view of the sky. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: O.T. - Help for my shelter
Title: Message Done, Joan. (By the way, it says you just "view", you don't click, so I guess it's different from other sites that do require a "click"? They'll still get the donation?) Will put it on my "go-to-every-day" list. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doljan, JoanSent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:04 PMTo: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'Subject: O.T. - Help for my shelter Hi, A friend who works with the shelter I work with, set up this web page. Each click, every day gives a small donation to the shelter. If you are interested, please have a look and click every day. Please feel free to pass this on. Thanks, Joan -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 5:57 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Doljan, Joan; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Webpage for my handicappers Hey there everyone! I was able to get a story of my 3 handicapped cats up on a website for special needs animals. The stories are of Winter (my blind cat), Finley (my one-eyed weirdo cat), and Igloo (the one-eyed, red-faced, something-is-perpetually-wrong-with-her, allergy cat). Aside from their life stories, there are a lot of pics of them, as well as a few pics of special needs fosters I've cared for...some living happy lives and some with sad endings. Hope you get a chance to visit the page because I spent a lot of time on it...my digital camera takes crappy pics, so I had to photograph the old fashioned way. As well, every hit on the page gets a small donation for the shelter I work for. I hope you enjoy their stories! Lauren :) http://www.handicappedpets.com/gallery/wfi0205/index.htmThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Feral cat book
Title: Message Sending healing vibes for Oreo, Hideyo.I hope the little soul is soon running around again. (It must be a comfort that he has the same surgeon as JoJo.) Love & hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:52 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Feral cat book Nina, sorry, I have not shipped Surphur to you yet, I have it in my hand and have not forgotten!!. How is Gypsy? My little Shitsu dog, Oreo had a disc injury and started losing control of hind legs, I was very worried because my other dog, JoJo had a similar injury and he became paralyzed within 72 hours. Though thanks to the surgeon, he can walk again now. Anyway, we had to watch him very careful for the past week, and I noticed that the condition was getting worse, so I took him to the emergency clinic this week, and the same surgeon who operated on JoJo is operating on Oreo as we speak – Please pray that the surgery and his recovery will go well for Oreo, Nina! I hope you will enjoy the book. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:45 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Feral cat book Thanks Hideyo, I just ordered the book from Amazon. I love the ferals too!NinaHideyo Yamamoto wrote: Every feral cat story I hear, I just can’t stop crying – there is a book called “Livings in shadows” - it’s a book about how to take care of feral cats – the title itself makes me cry because it represents so much of how their life is – I had a feral who used to hisses and growls as she ate – I just love my ferals – I am sure that your big puffy head boy is in heaven - -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:10 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Tip is Gone-Kathy We had a feral for about 3 years that we fed...a burmese mix, all black, big puffy head with a small body and stubby legs. Everytime he saw us he'd hissso of course we named him Hisspuff. After about a year we could pet him while he ate, but he'd still hiss when he first saw us. We tried to get him to come into the house...but he never would, just prefered the straw we put out for him in the bushes out front. He got sick, nose stuffed up and eyes running - but wouldn't ever let us catch him. He showed up at the back of the house one day...just to say goodbye...again we tried to catch him, but he wouldn't have it and went off to die...but he'll ALWAYS be one of my favorites!Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I know what you mean, some of my feral hisses and spits at me whenever I am near them – but I still love them as much if you know what I mean – There is this poem some one of the FIP list sent to the other list member a long time ago when they lost their love one – and I found it very soothing and am trying to find it so that I can share with this list member - -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:21 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Tip is Gone - Kathy Thanks Kathy, Seeing them all again will be wonderful. Like you I have had pets of all kinds and I loved them all (even some that were not so lovable.)It makes it easier knowing that they will be there for me when it is my turn to go.Love, Sheila Do you Yahoo!?Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Feral cat book
Title: Message he sounds a sweetheart! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 3:20 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Feral cat book Thank you, Kerry! I just used to love when he runs – he actually hops like a little rabbit and looks so cute! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:11 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Feral cat book Sending healing vibes for Oreo, Hideyo.I hope the little soul is soon running around again. (It must be a comfort that he has the same surgeon as JoJo.) Love & hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:52 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Feral cat book Nina, sorry, I have not shipped Surphur to you yet, I have it in my hand and have not forgotten!!. How is Gypsy? My little Shitsu dog, Oreo had a disc injury and started losing control of hind legs, I was very worried because my other dog, JoJo had a similar injury and he became paralyzed within 72 hours. Though thanks to the surgeon, he can walk again now. Anyway, we had to watch him very careful for the past week, and I noticed that the condition was getting worse, so I took him to the emergency clinic this week, and the same surgeon who operated on JoJo is operating on Oreo as we speak – Please pray that the surgery and his recovery will go well for Oreo, Nina! I hope you will enjoy the book. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:45 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Feral cat book Thanks Hideyo, I just ordered the book from Amazon. I love the ferals too!NinaHideyo Yamamoto wrote: Every feral cat story I hear, I just can’t stop crying – there is a book called “Livings in shadows” - it’s a book about how to take care of feral cats – the title itself makes me cry because it represents so much of how their life is – I had a feral who used to hisses and growls as she ate – I just love my ferals – I am sure that your big puffy head boy is in heaven - -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:10 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Tip is Gone-Kathy We had a feral for about 3 years that we fed...a burmese mix, all black, big puffy head with a small body and stubby legs. Everytime he saw us he'd hissso of course we named him Hisspuff. After about a year we could pet him while he ate, but he'd still hiss when he first saw us. We tried to get him to come into the house...but he never would, just prefered the straw we put out for him in the bushes out front. He got sick, nose stuffed up and eyes running - but wouldn't ever let us catch him. He showed up at the back of the house one day...just to say goodbye...again we tried to catch him, but he wouldn't have it and went off to die...but he'll ALWAYS be one of my favorites!Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I know what you mean, some of my feral hisses and spits at me whenever I am near them – but I still love them as much if you know what I mean – There is this poem some one of the FIP list sent to the other list member a long time ago when they lost their love one – and I found it very soothing and am trying to find it so that I can share with this list member - -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 10:21 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Tip is Gone - Kathy Thanks Kathy, Seeing them all again will be wonderful. Like you I have had pets of all kinds and I loved them all (even some that were not so lovable.)It makes it easier knowing that they will be there for me when it is my turn to go.Love, Sheila Do you Yahoo!?Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If
RE: Feral cat book
Title: Message You're an angel, Hideyo. You really are. Kerry. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 4:17 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Feral cat book He is about 7 or 8 years old – We got him from two little boys whose mother was an alcoholic apparently, trying to exchange Oreo for some alcohols for their mother – of course, we did not exchange him with alcohols – instead we just took him in – he got along so well with our first dog, JoJo whom we found with a broken leg by being hit by a car a year prior to. Then, we added two more dogs who were roaming around at our company parking lot a couple of years ago, Corky and Pedro – it’s a bit crazy with four dogs and 50 plus cats (and a turtle) – but I will miss if anyone is missing for any reason. It looked like some food was eaten by my work last night – so I hope it means the mama is still safe (and others if they are still sticking around here) – now instead of putting the food out mid day – I would put the food out right before I leave work and then go to the office the first thing in the morning (before 6 am) so that I can clean up the plates before anyone sees the plates. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:25 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Feral cat book Hideyo,Of course I'm praying for Oreo! I know how anxious you must be. How old is he/she? It's so hard when you have so many. I was just musing this morning about how much easier it would be to care for everyone, if they were all healthy. You better not lose that job of yours! I'm praying for the ferals by your work as well. I would look for help in rounding up those dogs. It's a very dangerous situation and no way for them to live. Life is so hard sometimes.Don't worry about sending me the medication for Gypsy, you have enough on your plate right now. If you would please email me the exact name and treatment amount/protocol, I'll sit on my vet until she helps me get some in my hot little hand. Thank you for asking about Gypsy. Her IBD symptoms have not improved. It's very frustrating. I have a call into my vet to see if she has anything else up her sleeve.NinaHideyo Yamamoto wrote: Nina, sorry, I have not shipped Surphur to you yet, I have it in my hand and have not forgotten!!. How is Gypsy? My little Shitsu dog, Oreo had a disc injury and started losing control of hind legs, I was very worried because my other dog, JoJo had a similar injury and he became paralyzed within 72 hours. Though thanks to the surgeon, he can walk again now. Anyway, we had to watch him very careful for the past week, and I noticed that the condition was getting worse, so I took him to the emergency clinic this week, and the same surgeon who operated on JoJo is operating on Oreo as we speak – Please pray that the surgery and his recovery will go well for Oreo, Nina! I hope you will enjoy the book. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:45 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Feral cat book Thanks Hideyo, I just ordered the book from Amazon. I love the ferals too!NinaHideyo Yamamoto wrote: Every feral cat story I hear, I just can’t stop crying – there is a book called “Livings in shadows” - it’s a book about how to take care of feral cats – the title itself makes me cry because it represents so much of how their life is – I had a feral who used to hisses and growls as she ate – I just love my ferals – I am sure that your big puffy head boy is in heaven - -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 7:10 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Tip is Gone-Kathy We had a feral for about 3 years that we fed...a burmese mix, all black, big puffy head with a small body and stubby legs. Everytime he saw us he'd hissso of course we named him Hisspuff. After about a year we could pet him while he ate, but he'd still hiss when he first saw us. We tried to get him to come into the house...but he never would, just prefered the straw we put out for him in the bushes out front. He got sick, nose stuffed up and eyes running - but wouldn't ever let us catch him. He showed up at the back of the house one day...just to say goodbye...again we tried to catch him, but he wouldn't have it and went off to die...but he'll ALWAYS be one of my favorites!Hideyo Yamamoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I know what you mean, some of my feral hisses and spits at me whenever I am near them – but I still love them as much if you know what I mean – There is this poem some one of the FIP list sent to the other list member a
RE: Effie has her angel's wings
Title: Message I'm so sorry for your double loss, Del. I know how very painful it must be for you. I feel I had come to know Effie a little through your emails, and I hope the sweet memories you have of your little furball will give you comfort in the difficult days to come. Effie was one lucky and smart little kitty to have found you. She couldn't have chosen a better friend and advocate. Thinking of you, love and hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Del DanielsSent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:54 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Effie has her angel's wings Effie left us this morning and my friend, Liz, who passed away last week, is taking care of her in heaven. The pain from the growing mass against her spine took away her quality of life. It was awfully hard. It IS hard. You understand, we continue to look at their favorite places and those places are empty ... and I cry for her. My heart is broken. Thank you everyone for support and feedback. Without these groups, she would never have lived this long or this well. Del>^.^
RE: Loki Advice: fleas, throwing up
Title: Message Loki is one fortunate little guy to have you care for him, Steve. Bless you for everything you do for him. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve WilliamsSent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 12:21 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Loki Advice: fleas, throwing up Hi Nina, When Loki and crew were found about 10 days old, he--the runt--especially was covered with fleas. My niece, Alisha, almost threw-up after seeing him absolutely covered with horrid monsters. They did use some toxic treatment to fix the problem. Loki was almost completely despondent, for the fleas sucking the life from him. After the fleas were eradicated, he suddenly sprang back to life with a vengeance! It brings a tear just thinking about it. Now, Loki at 9 months old has outlived all three of his siblings. Here is my theory... and I maybe total off here: It seems to me that the tiny baby kitties do not die in babyhood. It is only after they have lived months of their lives that FeLV symptoms occur. Therefore, I think they can handle certain treatments (at lesser kitten dosages of course) that are much more risky later on. I feel that if I can avoid giving my older 9 month old kitty toxins, that may or may not trigger the virus, I absolutely will. The comb right now is God to me. It is working, and I am happy again. I would recommend it to everyone who is able to comb their kitties. I recognize there are many reasons this is not possible. I now only have the one kitty and can lavish combing attention on him, so I have no reason to entertain any other solutions. I appreciate hearing of your experiences, and it will help many to know this. Thank you. Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of NinaSent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:21 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Loki Advice: fleas, throwing upSteve,I've been away from the computer for a while, so this may no longer be timely. When I found my FeLV bottle babies (didn't know it at the time), they were just over 2 weeks old. They were so infested with fleas that they were bloody from them. At that very tender age I used just a tiny amount of Advantage on them. I put some Advantage on a Q-Tip and touched the back of their necks with it. That was all that was needed to get rid of the fleas and the kittens showed no ill effects. I know it's scary putting toxic stuff on our babies, but sometimes the alternative is worse. I have since switched to Revolution for controlling fleas because it's alcohol based (instead of oil) and doesn't seem to upset my animals as much as the Advantage. Revolution also claims to control ear mites and get rid of roundworms. I never use a full tube, even on the adults. I find I can stretch a tube between 3 or 4 cats and it seems just as effective with out having to douse them in poison. Here's the link to Pet Shed were I order my Revolution, I also get Drontal (worm med) from them w/o a prescription. http://www.petshed.com/NinaSteve Williams wrote: Cherie, I'm kind of afraid to use Advantage or Frontline with a kitten who has had FeLV+ from birth. Maybe I'm overreacting, but my recent loss of Leeloo, with the stress of a leg sprain causing onset, has got me trigger-shy. It is hard for me to impose the tiniest bit of toxic substance or stress on Loki. I think I will try some natural supplements, diligent combing and cleaning. But... I want those fleas gone now! I'm going to try to find boric acid to sprinkle on the carpets also. Has anyone used Advantage or Frontline on kittens with FeLV from birth? Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Monday, February 28, 2005 10:47 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Loki Advice: fleas, throwing up Steve, My cats deal really well with Advantage, and it is topical that goes behind the neck. Cherie Steve Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kerry, Yes, I know for sure it is fleas. All the signs are there: I can see fleas sometimes on him, I've combed a few off of him, and can find lots of flea poop in his normal sleeping spots. Thanks, Steve -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:08 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Loki Advice: fleas, throwing up Steve, sorry to ask this--it may be a dumb Q--but do you know for sure th
RE: Michelle, How's Lucy?
Title: Message Michelle, sending lots of positive vibes for Lucy, and hoping things continue to look better for her. Kerry Thanks for asking, Nina. I have not gotten her re-xrayed yet to see if it has shrunk. She is supposed to be xrayed this week but I have not taken her in yet and may wait until Monday. She still urinates frequently and has blood in her urine, but it does seem to me to be less blood the last few days, but I am not sure and do not want to jinx her! I'll post when I know more. Michelle In a message dated 3/2/05 4:41:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle,How is Lucy doing? My dad has had some health problems this last week (he's going to be okay), and it's taken me away from the list. I take it she doesn't need surgery?Nina This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
off-topic: do hospices for pets exist?
Title: Message Hi all Just wondering---a friend asked me if I knew if there were hospices for pets. I've never heard of one--has anyone else? Kerry This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Feral cat book...to the Lottery
What a wonderful read, Sally, from start to finish. And, I wouldn't be at all surprised if young Sally actually played some part, even if only in a chance comment, in molding young Nell, maybe even influencing Nell's dad, in terms of what they are and do for animals today. We're all connected, and stranger things have happened! I bought Newman's Own pet food from Wholefood's about 9 months ago but none of my bunch seemed thrilled with it, which is a great pity, because I'd much rather buy it knowing the profits were going to animal welfare. Maybe I'll try it again--I still have the original bag with about half the contents left--d'you think it's still useable? I didn't know about Bo Derek. Good for her. Why aren't there more celebs like those two? Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 2:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Feral cat book...to the Lottery Dear Hideyo: I hear you loud and clear. If I ever had any "extra" dollars to spend, it sure would be nice to do more than just dream about winning the lottery. When I think about all the good things I could do to help improve the lot of critters in this world...Oh, wouldn't it be loverly? And then when you read about what most people who win do with all the money and it makes you sick. Buying cars and boats and vacations and expensive homes and the like. Not so different than what far too many people/celebrities who accumulate great wealth do with their bounty...conspicuous over-consumption. Which is why I am always very impressed with those who do use some of their wealth to support worthy causes. But I've found it often isn't the wealthiest who are the most generous (comparitively) but those who have little to give, yet still give of themselves and their limited $-resources with all the generosity a caring heart can manage. It is one of the things that makes me question if we do have a creator up there who is looking out for us and pulling the strings. If that IS the case, I don't have a lot of respect for the way He/She is managing things down here. If it were up to me, I would make sure that the "lucky" ones to win those lotteries were people who would do the most good with it, and I sure wouldn't allow innocent children and critters to suffer the way they so often do. So, I am more inclined to see life as a big crap shoot in which "Shit Happens!" and you just have to deal with whatever comes your way and try to keep smiling, somehow. Being a good and kind and loving person (or the opposite) really doesn't have much to do with the cards you are dealt. The only real choice we have is how we choose to play whatever cards we get dealt. We can cry about it and complain or we can make the best of it that we are able. I'd like to see a game show "Who DESERVES to Win a Million Dollars." Maybe people could write in and tell what they would do if they were able to win a million dollars and those who had the most noble causes or worthy ideas would be given a chance to play and win. Fat chance though, when you consider that so many in our society are more interested in what happens to the glamorous celebrities and the death of someone like Princess Diana (not that Diana didn't attempt to do some good in the world) gains more attention than Mother Theresa, who died about the same time. Movie and sports stars make huge salaries for entertaining us, yet those who make far more important contributions to our society, like teachers, put in far more hours for salaries that are a pittance, by comparison. And then there are those stupid reality shows where people compete to win a million dollars and are rewarded for being conniving and ruthless instead of for the real skills that make survival in a REAL situation most meaningful...ingenuity, cooperation and a willingness to help others, not just yourself. You, Hideyo, are definitely of those who DESERVES to win a million dollars. Maybe what rescue groups need to do is start a lottery "pool" to shorten the odds some. Though I understand one has a better chance of beting struck by lightening than of winning a lottery. Anyhow...Dream on, and keep loving those feral cats and doing for them what no one else seems inclined to do. Even if we can't help them in big ways with a million dollars, we can help and save them, one deserving kitty soul at a time. By the way, are you aware that Newman's Own Organics (run by actor Paul Newman's youngest daughter, Nell) has come out with a line of healthy organic pet foods and all the profits, after taxes, are donated to animal welfare causes? Her father started Newman's Own some years ago to market salad dressing and pasta sauce (to start with) from his own private family recipes and all the profits are donated to education. He is only one of two celebrities I've ever met in person (the other i
RE: off-topic: do hospices for pets exist?
Title: Message Thanks Chris. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 12:56 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: off-topic: do hospices for pets exist? Well Angel’s Gate on Long Island, NY lists itself as a hospice….. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N.Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:50 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: off-topic: do hospices for pets exist? Hi all Just wondering---a friend asked me if I knew if there were hospices for pets. I've never heard of one--has anyone else? Kerry This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: OT: please pray for Oreo
Hideyo, sending lots of positive healing vibes for Oreo---he is going to be SO glad to get home early, I'm sure that will speed his recovery. love and hungs for you and Oreo, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:43 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: please pray for Oreo Our little Shitsu dog is coming home today from the disc surgery - they wanted to keep him at the hospital over the weekend because he does not have the bladder control right now. But I begged them to release him today as originally scheduled, as he was so depressed and scared there and he wouldn't eat there (he did eat steak when we visited him there last night). We will just have to be able to express his bladder on our own, which we had to do with the other dog, JoJo when he was paralyzed. The surgeon did tell me that it's common to lose the bladder control for 5 to 14 days from the trauma from the surgery. But he did have the control prior to the surgery, and I am really hoping that this is just a temporary thing - please pray for Oreo that he can walk again, and his bladder control will come back very soon!! Thank you!! Hideyo This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: New cat litter will detect illness in cats
Title: Message I think Cherie pays $10 for 21 (not 2) pounds! The Costco deal sounds good. I'm pretty happy with my Petsmart deal -- $10 for 40 lb Exquisicat litter and it's actually one of the best I've ever used, as good as Arm & Hammer which costs a lot more. (I don't have wheels, and Petsmart, 5 mins walk from my place, opened last year, thank goodness.) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:59 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: New cat litter will detect illness in catsCherie,$10 for 2lbs? There goes the budget! I buy Jonny Cat at Costco ($9 for 50lbs) and add baking soda (also bought in the jumbo economy size) and Feline Pine. The Jonny Cat is cheap enough that I don't have to conserve litter when cleaning the boxes and sprinkling baking soda and Feline Pine in work on the odor control. Cherie A Gabbert wrote: Can you let me know what you think of it? I am not sure if it can be used all the time, and if it has odor control? but right now I pay $10.00 for 21lbs and I use 3 of those a week...it all adds up CherieBarbara Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: there's a website for the litter http://www.scooplite.com/ 35 lbs for 14.95 and if you order two of anything,it's free shipping(click on the free shipping banner for more info). i might order it as have had problems in the past but since i put them all on vit C and E and coq10 -10, i've had no problems--knock on wood or as my husband says, knock on the kitty's head.(they all love him...go figure...) barbara - Original Message - From: tamara stickler To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:50 PM Subject: OT: New cat litter will detect illness in cats Here's something odd: Pet Ecology is to release a new cat litter that will detect urinary tract infections, diabetes and pregnancy in cats. It's called "SCOOP-lite". www.petecology.com for more info. Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: New cat litter will detect illness in cats
I was trying to think of a suitable quip to Nina's multiplying cats--love it, MC! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New cat litter will detect illness in cats see what happens when you let your cats have keys to the front door? they let all their friends in! hee hee counting to see if any new ones have appeared in my household lately MC This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: OT - Petitioning Oprah
Title: Message Thanks Julie Have signed and will pass on. How interesting that she never supports animal causes on her show. (And she has a dog, too.) She clearly needs to be educated! Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julie JohnsonSent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 9:55 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT - Petitioning Oprah Dear Friends, Here is a link to sign a petition asking that Oprah do a show on pet overpopulation, puppy mills, and other animal issues. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/621738786?ltl=1110297092 Oprah is such a unique celebrity in American culture; I wrote to her office about a year ago asking for a show like this and did not receive a response; the goal for the petition is 100,000 signatures. Hopefully they will consider it if that many folks make it clear they'd like to see this issue addressed. Please consider signing! Love, Julie"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Lovey and Merry Home! :) - Third Act! LONG!
Title: Message I am a week behind and trying to catch up. This is a great story Brenda. Lovey and Merry are 2 very fortunate little kitties. I hope you're all having a chance to enjoy life now after that exhausting and stressful trip! take care, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda K. SmithSent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:33 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgCc: JENNIFER RYAN CADIEU; Del; Peggy Dial; Dale Thompson; Reghan DagleySubject: OT: Lovey and Merry Home! :) - Third Act! LONG!Hi All.. Peggy, would you please pass this on to Tinley? Thanks. Also, thank you Dan for your leg of the trip. I understand it wasn't so special. :) You are a good man. I left off with going to meet Tom at the Wisconsin Dells. We arrived between 10:00 and 10:30 PM. We had a few words with Tom and thanked him again profusely. When he opened his car door the tom cat smell just about floored us. lol Poor Tom. :( We got the cats transferred to our car and thanked Tom again. He took off for home and we decided to find an out of the way place in the Dells. We were tired and knew the cats would appreciate getting out of the kennels. Also, since we hadn't brought any gas masks I knew we needed to do some cleaning up. lol Just a few blocks from the pick up we found a small place called The Malibu Inn. It is owned and operated by a very nice Turkish family. My daughter went to check to see if they had a quiet room and if they would accept cats. Janine thought she shouldn't say anything in case they wouldn't let us check in. I suggested she play it by ear. I wanted to stay in the car with the cats. Anyway, a little later I saw the man owner take her to a room so that she could check it out. She came over to the car and said she thought it was fine and we could check in with the cats as long as they remained kenneled. We just looked at each other because we knew we weren't going to leave them all night in the kennels, but we let the owner think that. I had brought Ozium spray for odors, a disinfectant to clean the kennels and spray things around the motel room. I've seen too many programs on the supposed cleanliness of motel/hotel room. :) We also brought Nature's Miracle in case Lovey sprayed. The man owner kept hanging around trying to be helpful and I just wanted him to leave us alone so that we could get the cats out of the car. We didn't want him to smell the inside of the car or the cats or he surely wouldn't have let us check in. lol We left the car running with the heat on and took everything in but the cats. We also didn't want to take a chance that one of the cats would get out the door while bringing things into the room. We got everything in and about to go get the cats in when he knocked on our door. I forget what he wanted, but he was just trying to be helpful. After we got rid of him, we ran out to the car (parked in front of our room) and got the cats into the room. Within seconds the entire room was permeated with Lovey's tom cat smell. It was intense. I asked my daughter to get a plastic bag out of the car and I let the cats out of the kennels. Lovey had a big blue towel and a folded sheet which were saturated with urine. I shoved those into the bag, tied it and asked Janine to put it in the trunk until we could find an outside waste container. I then disinfected his kennel, dried it out and put fresh bedding in. We also started spraying the parts of the room that the cats weren't in. They were afraid of the spray so just sprayed away from them. Meanwhile, Lovey and Merry are still eating canned and dry. I actually fed them before I cleaned out his kennel. Merry had a litter box in her kennel and she had gone in it, but there was no smell. When they finished eating they started exploring running over both beds, sniffing everything and just generally feeling free at last. :) We checked them both over and both appeared to be just fine. Lovey had litter stuck in his paws and we pulled out what we could without hurting him. Merry was very ladylike. It took about two hours of intermittent spraying of Ozium before we got rid of the tom cat smell. We were going to go out for a late dinner, but decided we didn't want to leave the cats alone in a strange room. So, we broke out some cheese (Wisconsiners you know? :) ) and crackers that we had brought along in case we got hungry, poured a glass of wine and laid back to watch some television while the cats explored. We had two double beds so they had a blast walking back and forth across our heads on the pillows like they were looking for the path to Nirvana. lol Lovey made himself at home after a couple of pieces of cheese on the pillow next to my daughter. Merry was also enjoying some cheese with me on my bed and she settled down by my side. When we were ready for bed L
RE: off-topic: do hospices for pets exist?
Title: Message Thanks to everyone who replied to my hospice Q. And I did learn something else---the term "hospice" is used in a slightly different way here compared to UK (where I'm from). In the UK the term is not used for home care for the terminally ill (or at least wasn't when I lived there). It only refers to the physical building. So yes, you're right---you guys are the hospice providers for pets. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:24 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: off-topic: do hospices for pets exist? I read about a hospice service somewhere on the west coast, but it is like hospice care for humans-- going to the home to help with pain relief, care, etc. for terminally ill animals, rather than a place that takes them. There is an FeLV sanctuary somewhere with a woman who has about 50 positives at any given time and she describes herself as providing them with hospice care. I do not have her info, but my mom might. My mom corresponded with her when I first took in my 6 positives. Michelle In a message dated 3/3/05 1:50:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all Just wondering---a friend asked me if I knew if there were hospices for pets. I've never heard of one--has anyone else? Kerry This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Feral cat book...to the Lottery/freecycle
Title: Message In Chicago, the very first ad you post after joining has to be an Offer (however small). There are certain, reasonable restrictions on the number of Wanted ads you can place. freecycle is one of the best uses of the Internet I've come across! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:06 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Feral cat book...to the Lottery/freecycle Actually, many freecycle lists do not require that you offer anything before posting a request. It varies depending on who is moderating it. Michelle In a message dated 3/3/05 4:07:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: just a thought. is there a www.freecycle.org listed for your local area?in case you don't know how it works, you have to register and then (at leastin our area) the first post must be an Offer of something. everything has tobe free. people offer things from packing materials to boats to food etc.you could post as a cat rescue looking for food--that would smoke out anycat lovers and perhaps you could network with them. also i googled for newmexico(that is where you are,right? or did I hallucinate again?)and foundthis group. perhaps they could help or know others.http://www.albcat.com/ This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Please add Bethany Cat (BC) to the CLS
I'm sorry for your loss, Danielle. Like most (if not all) people on the list, I know how painful it is to lose a little furball. I hope you're comforted by your good memories of Bethany Cat. take care, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Danielle Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please add Bethany Cat (BC) to the CLS We had to say "goodbye". Danielle When our eyes see our hands doing the work of our hearts, the circle of creation is completed, Inside us, the doors of our souls fly open and love steps forth to heal everything in sight." -Michael Bridge Do you want to foster or adopt a Border Collie? http://bcrescue.dogsaver.org/ This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
for Kathleen-- I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring for Deirdre (FELV+)
Hi Kathleen I'm sorry I haven't been able to reply to your email till now---welcome to the group, though I'm very sorry for the reason you've had to find us. You won't find a more informed, supportive, caring, wonderful bunch of people than this one. They've been a total godsend for me! It's always a shock to discover a kitty has felv. I'm glad Deirdre has such a caring "mom." I discovered in December 2003 that 5 of the 6 rescue kitties I took in were felv positive. I had to go on a crash course, so to speak, in dealing with FeLV cats and I found that their diet (not surprisingly) is SO important. My most precious references are this wonderful group and Anitra Frazier's The Natural Cat Book. Here's a copy of what I've sent out in the past with the salient points: ~~Give only filtered water. ~~Feed only high grade/human grade pet food. That is NOT Iams or Science diet-type, which has nasty by-products, and which I now know, by no means represents the gold standard in pet food, but the much higher quality brands without by-products, additives or preservatives, eg Wellness, Innova, Petguard, that you find in the independent pet stores (you won't find these high-quality foods in the Petco/Petsmart chains). I give mine Petguard wet food (from Wholefoods) and Wellness wet and dry food morning and evening. ~~Add these supplements morning and evening to Deirdre's wet food, to boost her immune system: a 500mg L-Lysin pill (grind first), easily available from pharmacies/healthfood stores, 1/4 tsp feline enzymes, 1 teaspoon of 'Vita-Mineral Mix' (I'll send you the details separately). Also, gradually, as I was able to obtain them (not difficult as it turned out, everything is available in health food stores or Internet) I added most of the remainder of the supplements Frazier recommends: CoQ10, bioplasma, olive oil, cod liver oil and alfalfa (I'll send you details re amounts). And I give them interferon. Got it thru Walgreen's (eventually) on my vet's prescription, and he made it up for me. You will get tons more advice and help from others on the list! Good luck, Kathleen, and a big hug for Deirdre---she's such a lucky kitty to have found you! Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathy Gittel Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 3:02 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: I'm new and green.I've rescued and am caring for Deirdre (FELV+) I'd be grateful for any and all suggestions you have for diet, vitamins, and care for Deirdre. I fed her outside and created a shelter for her in my shed for 1 year when she first appeared under my evergreen tree eating birdseed. She was about 6 months old then. I trapped her this January 1st and had her spayed, de-flead, de-wormed and got her all her shots. She was feral. During the last 3 weeks, she finally began to get friendly and is now a total mush melon. I love her. She has taken up residence in my living room, because I must isolate her from my other 6 cats to keep them free of FELV. She has 2 windows, lots of toys, a couch, a special bed and she eats Fancy Feast wet food and Adult Nutro dried food. I spend at least a third of my time home with her. She's extremely spunky, loving and playful. I'd like to keep her that way for as long as possible. I'd appreciate any and all suggestions you might have for me. Thank You Kathleen Gittel This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
For Hideyo: I'm SOOO scared - i need your support!
Title: Message Sending lots of positive energy for your kitty, Hideyo. But MC is right--even if your little sweetie does turn out to have FeLV, healthy adult cats usually seem to remain negative. But I hope Uh-oh gets better soon. Keep us posted when you get time. take care, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:49 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: I'm SOOO scared - i need your support! Thank you, Barbara, I appreciate your kind words. You are right, there is one time when I opened a fortune cookie at a Chinese restaurant – “never trouble a trouble until a trouble troubles you” – I certainly do not sap the positive energy for Uh-oh (oh) by my worrying – please keep tell me this so that I won’t fall back J Hugs from Hideyo & Uh-oh-oh -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara LoweSent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 10:46 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: I'm SOOO scared - i need your support! calm down. your household is the equivalent of kitty kindergarten. one kid sneezes they all get colds, for example. worrying is sapping your postive energy and you need that right now. worrying does nothing but paralyze you. don't overwhelm yourself with such negative thoughts, okay? save your strength for when you will need it. good luck at vet's. barbara This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Anakin is gone
Title: Message Anita, I've only caught up with your recent posts about Anakin. I'm so sorry, I really, really feel for you. It's so painful watching our precious little furballs suffer, and devastating when you have to make the decision to say goodbye. My Levi also succumbed to anemia. I had no idea until then that anemia was so serious. From everything you say about Anakin's condition, you did the kindest thing for him. But it's so hard, I know. So, so hard. I'm glad Anakin knew what it was to have such a loving, caring friend as you. And hard though it is to accept, he is in a better place now than suffering as he did at the end. lots of love and hugs, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catstevensSent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Anakin is gone When I took him to the vet he could not even stand.The vet said most of the medication won't help he's to for gone & most take time to work & he doesn't time.She said he was not getting enough blood to his heart & he has a heart murmur.She said his kidneys were alot smaller.She went to take a bit of blood he didn't even move,but she said there was so little blood left in him she couldn't.She said that the best thing we could do for him is to pts.So we all said it was time,We said our good bye's & I stayed with him when she put the needle in he didn't even move.I stayed there patting him & tell him how much we love him.It's so hard.Thank you all so much for everything.Anakin is with all our fur babies the have past. Love AnitaThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Lovey and Merry Home! :) - Third Act! LONG!
Title: Message Hi Brenda I was hoping I could see pix of the little honeys (not something I'm teched up to do myself, so I usually hesitate to ask others)---yes, please--do send! Glad you're doing well too, Brenda. Thank goodness. That was some saga. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda K. SmithSent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:59 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Lovey and Merry Home! :) - Third Act! LONG!Kerry. Thanks so much for replying. You are the only one on this list who has replied to my last update on Lovey and Merry. I don't know if my email got bounced off this list or what. Everybody seemed very interested in Lovey and Merry so wanted to be sure everybody heard about getting them home here with us. They are both doing wonderfully well right now. I have pictures if anybody would like to see them in their new home. Also, I am doing just fine. :)-- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote: I am a week behind and trying to catch up. This is a great story Brenda. Lovey and Merry are 2 very fortunate little kitties. I hope you're all having a chance to enjoy life now after that exhausting and stressful trip! take care, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brenda K. Smith Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: JENNIFER RYAN CADIEU; Del; Peggy Dial; Dale Thompson; Reghan Dagley Subject: OT: Lovey and Merry Home! :) - Third Act! LONG! Hi All.. Peggy, would you please pass this on to Tinley? Thanks. Also, thank you Dan for your leg of the trip. I understand it wasn't so special. :) You are a good man. I left off with going to meet Tom at the Wisconsin Dells. We arrived between 10:00 and 10:30 PM. We had a few words with Tom and thanked him again profusely. When he opened his car door the tom cat smell just about floored us. lol Poor Tom. :( We got the cats transferred to our car and thanked Tom again. He took off for home and we decided to find an out of the way place in the Dells. We were tired and knew the cats would appreciate getting out of the kennels. Also, since we hadn't brought any gas masks I knew we needed to do some cleaning up. lol Just a few blocks from the pick up we found a small place called The Malibu Inn. It is owned and operated by a very nice Turkish family. My daughter went to check to see if they had a quiet room and if they would accept cats. Janine thought she shouldn't say anything in case they wouldn't let us check in. I suggested she play it by ear. I wanted to stay in the car with the cats. Anyway, a little later I saw the man owner take her to a room so that she could check it out. She came over to the car and said she thought it was fine and we could check in with the cats as long as they remained kenneled. We just looked at each other because we knew we weren't going to leave them all night in the kennels, but we let the owner think that. I had brought Ozium spray for odors, a disinfectant to clean the kennels and spray things around the motel room. I've seen too many programs on the supposed cleanliness of motel/hotel rooms. :) We also brought Nature's Miracle in case Lovey sprayed. The man owner kept hanging around trying to be helpful and I just wanted him to leave us alone so that we could get the cats out of the car. We didn't want him to smell the inside of the car or the cats or he surely wouldn't have let us check in. lol We left the car running with the heat on and took everything in but the cats. We also didn't want to take a chance that one of the cats would get out the door while bringing things into the room. We got everything in and about to go get the cats in when he knocked on our door. I forget what he wanted, but he was just trying to be helpful. After we got rid of him, we ran out to the car (parked in front of our room) and got the cats into the room. Within seconds the entire room was permeated with Lovey's tom cat smell. It was intense. I asked my daughter to get a plastic bag out of the car and I let the cats out of the kennels. Lovey had a big blue tow el and a folded sheet which were saturated with urine. I shoved those into the bag, tied it and asked Janine to put it in the trunk until we could find an outside waste container. I then disinfected his kennel, dried it out and put fresh bedding in. We also started spraying the parts of the room that the cats weren't in. They were afraid of the spray so just sprayed away f
RE: Tiger - CLS
Title: Message My heart goes out to you and your husband, Sheila. I am so very sorry to hear you've lost Tiger, and so soon after Tipper, too. Words are so inadequate at a time like this--I wish I could give you a big hug. I hope that you'll eventually be able to take comfort from the memories of all the happy times you shared with the little furball. And the fact that, like Tipper, Tiger was one lucky little kitty to have known such a loving home. It's no comfort right now, I know, but it's absolutely wonderful that Tiger made it to 14 (and gives me hope for my remaining 4). Sending you a big cyberhug, and thinking of you. Time WILL ease the pain. Much love, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 2:58 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Tiger - CLSPlease add my baby Tiger to the list. He past this morning 3 am. He was 14 years old felv+. He was a healthy orange tabby up until two weeks ago. Around the same time I lost Tipper he started showing signs of kidney failure. My husband and I are numb with grief. Two babies in one month is to much to bare. Please pray for us and our other babies. SheilaThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. <>
RE: O.T. - Help my shelter website
Title: Message Hi Joan I'm glad you sent this---I've been going on every day, but I'm not sure if that's all I have to do (I know there was some discussion about the mechanics already!). There are 2 other sites that I go on at the same time, and with those 2, you have to actually click on a field after you open the page, for it to register. I can't see anywhere to click on this one, after we open the page. Is that ok? Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joan DoljanSent: Friday, March 11, 2005 6:07 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: O.T. - Help my shelter website Hi, Just to remind everybody that you can go to the website once a day and a donation goes to the shelter I volunteer with. The link is: http://www.handicappedpets.com/gallery/wfi0205/index.htm Thank you, JoanThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: OT: How Can Someone Be So Sick??
Hi all Can someone give me the ISP address to contact re this horrible site---I've tried finding it, but the resulting info is somewhat confusing, and I sure don't want to find I'm writing to the despicable individual concerned! Thanks--Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joanne White Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: How Can Someone Be So Sick?? Hi Belinda, This is the response I got from PETA (immediately, they're aware of this site), they suggest contacting the ISP to get the site pulled off. Thank you for contacting PETA with your concerns regarding SaveToby.com, which have been shared with the appropriate staffers here. Sadly, some people regard the Internet as a medium for sick jokes. Often, those who develop or contribute to hostile or otherwise abusive Web sites do so simply to draw attention with offensive content. Of course, such sites are in very poor taste but, unfortunately, are usually legal. Since these heartless people are encouraged by attention, the most effective way to discourage them is to avoid visiting their sites and to urge others to do the same. PETA cannot endorse giving money to SaveToby.com, since doing so will only encourage other cruel individuals to threaten animals in order to extort money from compassionate people. You may wish to complain to the site's internet service provider (ISP) and request that the site be removed. An investigation may determine that the site's content violates the ISP's user agreement. To find the ISP of this site, please visit http://www.H4HA.org/stopcruelty/query.html. You can also submit offensive sites to the Animal Cruelty Action List at http://www.H4HA.org/stopcruelty. It is important to remember that rabbits, as well as millions of cows, chickens, pigs and other animals also suffer and die daily on factory farms and in slaughterhouses and butcher shops. To learn more about ways to stop this cruelty, please visit http://www.GoVeg.com. We hope that you find this information helpful. Thank you for your compassion for animals. Sincerely, The PETA Staff http://www.PETA.org --- Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This person is really sick > > http://savetoby.com/ > > -- > Belinda > Happiness is being owned by cats ... > > Be-Mi-Kitties ... > http://www.bemikitties.com > > Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens > http://adopt.bemikitties.com > > FeLV Candle Light Service > http://www.bemikitties.com/cls > > HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) > http://HostDesign4U.com > > --- > > BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) > http://bmk.bemikitties.com > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: OT: How Can Someone Be So Sick??
ok. Thanks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Lowe Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: How Can Someone Be So Sick?? be careful as probably this website just wants addresses and accounts. - Original Message - From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:39 AM Subject: RE: OT: How Can Someone Be So Sick?? > Hi all > Can someone give me the ISP address to contact re this horrible > site---I've tried finding it, but the resulting info is somewhat > confusing, and I sure don't want to find I'm writing to the despicable > individual concerned! > Thanks--Kerry > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joanne White > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 8:31 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: OT: How Can Someone Be So Sick?? > > > Hi Belinda, This is the response I got from PETA > (immediately, they're aware of this site), they > suggest contacting the ISP to get the site pulled off. > > Thank you for contacting PETA with your concerns > regarding SaveToby.com, which have been shared with > the appropriate staffers here. > > Sadly, some people regard the Internet as a medium for > sick jokes. > Often, those who develop or contribute to hostile or > otherwise abusive > Web sites do so simply to draw attention with > offensive content. Of > course, such sites are in very poor taste but, > unfortunately, are > usually legal. Since these heartless people are > encouraged by > attention, > the most effective way to discourage them is to avoid > visiting their > sites and to urge others to do the same. > > PETA cannot endorse giving money to SaveToby.com, > since doing so will > only encourage other cruel individuals to threaten > animals in order to > extort money from compassionate people. > > You may wish to complain to the site's internet > service provider (ISP) > and request that the site be removed. An investigation > may determine > that the site's content violates the ISP's user > agreement. To find the > ISP of this site, please visit > http://www.H4HA.org/stopcruelty/query.html. You can > also submit > offensive sites to the Animal Cruelty Action List at > http://www.H4HA.org/stopcruelty. > > It is important to remember that rabbits, as well as > millions of cows, > chickens, pigs and other animals also suffer and die > daily on factory > farms and in slaughterhouses and butcher shops. To > learn more about > ways to stop this cruelty, please visit > http://www.GoVeg.com. > > We hope that you find this information helpful. Thank > you for your > compassion for animals. > > Sincerely, > > > The PETA Staff > http://www.PETA.org > > --- Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This person is really sick > > > > http://savetoby.com/ > > > > -- > > Belinda > > Happiness is being owned by cats ... > > > > Be-Mi-Kitties ... > > http://www.bemikitties.com > > > > Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens > > http://adopt.bemikitties.com > > > > FeLV Candle Light Service > > http://www.bemikitties.com/cls > > > > HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting & web design) > > http://HostDesign4U.com > > > > --- > > > > BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) > > http://bmk.bemikitties.com > > > > > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Ginger's vet visit
Title: Message You have certainly boosted Ginger's weight, Hideyo--that's great. I know the disappointment you feel about her remaining positive. I went thru the same thing--not only did they still come up positive, but one that had tested negative previously re-tested positive. Have you tried deli meats? Michelle recommended that when Levi was ill, and he enjoyed it for a couple of days. I agree with you re the stress of FeLv cats going to vet, with barking dogs etc. (never mind what they might pick up in terms of illness) Are you able to consider having a housecall vet instead? Sending lots of positive vibes and hugs for Ginger. love, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:17 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Ginger's vet visit I took Ginger to the vet this morning for check up – not that something has been really wrong with her, but since her appetite goes up and down from time to time, I thought I should just make sure that all her organs are ok – When I first got her about 5 months ago, she was about 6 months old, but she only weighed 2 lb. But today, her weight was over 6 lb! – my little girl has grown so much!! In house PCV test, her HCT value is 32 – but I also had them send it to a lab – which sometimes comes lower – but my vet thought her gum and tongue are nice and pink. – I did FeLV/FIV test since I only did it once – I had a slight hope – maybe she won’t be positive anymore as I had read that about 2/3 of FeLV positive cats overcome the virus and test negative eventually. But she was still positive – I was very sad, but at the same time, it really doesn’t change much in terms of how I take care of her anyway. I felt so bad that Ginger freaked out so much – she got so scared because dogs there were barking all the time. I hope this visit won’t have any negative effect on her well-being due to the stress she experienced today. She has not eaten as much and I was a bit worried, though she did drink a whole bowl of liver shake last night – I think she gets tired of eating same thing after a while – She loved baby food for a long time, and all of sudden she stopped eating it. Then I tried cooked chicken, and she liked for a while. Then, I tried smoked turkey, which she has loved for a while, now she is tired of it for now, she has loved steak, but looks like she is getting tired of it, too. I try salmon, sardines, mackerel cans, too. Let me know if you have any suggestions. Please send Ginger positive energy that her test result will come back OK – Thank you. Hideyo & GingerThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals
Title: Message I agree with Nina. I think it's conflicting and difficult enough to make a decision to euthanize when an animal is terminally ill and suffering---one is torn between desperately not wanting the animal in our care to suffer any more, and making this momentous and irreversible decision on the part of another living and helpless creature. So, we have absolutely no business taking the perfectly content lives of animals into our own hands because of what may happen to them in the future. Re PETA, I am very disappointed in that organization--it seems to have become confused in its old age. PETA will not be getting $$$ from me. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 11:59 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT:Tonya - killing feralsTonya,I can't believe you would advocate killing ferals as a way to help their plight! Yes, their life is dangerous and they do sometimes suffer, but that doesn't mean they should be put to death. We humans are so conditioned to our relative safety that we sometimes forget how hard life can be on wild animals, on all wild animals. How many opossums, racoons and squirrels are killed each day on our highways, or poisoned from insecticides? Would you advocate systematically terminating any species not under our direct protection? I maintain a small feral colony and have cats that are healthy, happy and content in their circumstances. Even if all we can do is trap, neuter, administer one round of vaccines, and release them, they are still better off than if we turn our backs on them all together. Cats that are neutered are much less likely to fight and spread disease among themselves, if they are lucky enough to have a caretaker put out food for them they will live in harmony. They can and do, live, full, rich, happy lives. How arrogant it is to assume that only when they are in our houses and under our direct care are they able to be happy to be alive. Humans are the direct cause of these cats circumstances, the least we can do is step up and accept the responsibility of helping to maintain their numbers. Believe me, I understand the discomfort of thinking about these cats suffering and dieing out there alone, but killing them before their time is not the answer.Ninacatatonya wrote: Unless you can find a VERY safe place for the ferals and be sure there's someone to take care of them, I tend to agree with PETA. Even if the ferals have someone 'watching out' for them, I'm sure many of them are killed by dogs, hit by cars, shot, etc I think it's a very rough life for most ferals and in many cases it would have been better to put them to sleep. I see their point of view. t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can not believe PETA!!! They used to be known as the most radical animal rights group around (at the time that I did belong to them). This is welfarism at its very, very worst. How can a group that says it is an animal rights group advocate catching and killing animals? Isn't the right to live out your life without being killed the most basic of rights? Without that right, what good is any other? They are insane. I stopped contributing to them years ago based on other stances they took that I thought were crazy, but their position on ferals tops the cake. MichelleThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Update at Nina's house - stretched the VO for Jazz
Thanks for the update Nina. Great news about Grace, and I'm sending hopes that Zevon and Jazz continue to show improvement (however slowly). I really feel for you re Gypsy. I'm praying hard that with all the love and attention you're giving her, not to mention the special diet and all the hard work involved in that, she improves over the next few days. love & hugs, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 1:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Update at Nina's house - stretched the VO for Jazz Thank you to all those who inquired about Zevon's condition, here's a brief update on what's going on at my house: Zevon: Zevon continues to insist that whatever his physical disabilities are, he will bully his body into submission! He has improved slightly, but still has some paralysis in his back legs. We are keeping him as still and quiet as possible and using a support strap to make sure he doesn't lose his balance while walking or standing. He has a follow-up appointment on Thursday, so we should know more by then. Gypsy: Gypsy's IBD has not improved. I joined the IBD group and they are all adamant about the benefits of a raw diet in treating these poor afflicted kitties. I ordered "Know Better Feline Instincts TC" to mix with raw muscle meats, liver and hearts, (I'm still looking for a good source for hearts). She's been on the new diet for 3 days now. I'm praying this will be what she needs, I'm running out of options. Of course, every time I say that, I find something else to try. She's eating better, but she's still a walking skeleton and she's been "leaking" watery stool all over herself and the house. I've tried to clean her up as best I can, but being semi-feral, it's not easy. I don't know how much longer I should allow this to go on, if she doesn't show improvement soon, I may have to say goodbye. Grace: Grace continues to do well on 1/4 tab of Dox (25mg) daily. She's feeling so good that she's being very naughty, (what a delight!). Her third eyelids were up this morning, so I may add some human interferon to her medication. I've also been giving her Sally's Transfer Factor mixed with baby food. Jazz: Jazz had been acting sluggish for about 4 or 5 days. Her gums are red and inflamed and her breathing was raspy. I had been giving her Transfer Factor, and it did seem to help a little. I had 7 vials of VO, so I decided to take a chance and stretch two of them for her. On Sat I gave her .4cc, (I wrapped the left-over in a sterile alcohol soaked pad and then in plastic wrap), Sun - .4 cc, today she'll get .4cc, Tue and Wed I'll give her .2 each day. She's already feeling better, this morning she was chasing bugs during her supervised backyard time. Her breathing is normal again as well. This is the first time I've "stretched" a vial of VO, it seems to be working okay. If the VO doesn't do the trick, I'll take her in for blood tests. I've been debating about ordering a new supply of VO, although, where the money's going to come from, I can't tell you. Thanks for caring, keep those prayers coming! Nina This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals
Title: Message Thanks Tamara. You've seen and experienced and risked far, far more than I ever have and I'm humbled (as I often am, reading the emails from the wonderful brave members of this group). That's why I wonder if you would mind spelling it out a bit more >>>> There have been animals at both where even I have voiced..."Enough." NOT because they weren't worth the trouble...but because there are so few who would take the trouble.<<< D'you mean because of overcrowding/confinement/not enough $$ to buy food/toosick and no vet & medication to treat? Or worse reasons that (in my naivete--I'm serious) I haven't thought of yet? I thought PETA was advocating the killing of ferals, period (as in that despicable Wisconsin proposal). Maybe they meant in very specific circumstances--I can't find the beginning of this thread? Thanks for all that you--and everyone on this list--do. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 1:02 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals Ok, I'm going to play devil's advocate: I have been active in the animal rescue field for most of my life. I have walked into alleyways in crack neighborhoods, by myself, to feed ferals and do rescues. I have spent more money than any "sane" person should on strays, and even have driven across several states to place the "unadoptable" because of all I've seen, I HAD TO SEE THE HOME FOR MYSELF, because I DO know first hand, that there ARE places worse than death. Situations worse than death. "Loving, forever homes" sponsored by legit rescues and good people...worse than death. I'm not advocating the killing of ferals, by any means! But I can understand the "reality" behind the decision. Not everyone will go to the end of the world for a cat or dog that they didn't specifically choose..We (I am including everyone of you on this list) few are the exceptionand as you all know...there's just not enough of us to go around. I've worked in shelters. I've volunteered at no-kills. There have been animals at both where even I have voiced..."Enough." NOT because they weren't worth the trouble...but because there are so few who would take the trouble. As for ferals, we do need to understand that many just don't choose to deal with humans...either because of past experiences or for their own reasons. But, they are intelligent, whole beings with their own needs and desires and should be treated respecting this I'm not certain there is an absolute right answer here...I'm not pretending to know. Would I actively support the killing of ferals? NO. Is it possible for me understand why some do?...unfortunately, when you've seen what I've seen ...yes. But faced with the matter first hand, I'd still prob. go into the poor house first...but I won't condemn those who draw the line either. Tamara"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree with Nina. I think it's conflicting and difficult enough to make a decision to euthanize when an animal is terminally ill and suffering---one is torn between desperately not wanting the animal in our care to suffer any more, and making this momentous and irreversible decision on the part of another living and helpless creature. So, we have absolutely no business taking the perfectly content lives of animals into our own hands because of what may happen to them in the future. Re PETA, I am very disappointed in that organization--it seems to have become confused in its old age. PETA will not be getting $$$ from me. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 11:59 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT:Tonya - killing feralsTonya,I can't believe you would advocate killing ferals as a way to help their plight! Yes, their life is dangerous and they do sometimes suffer, but that doesn't mean they should be put to death. We humans are so conditioned to our relative safety that we sometimes forget how hard life can be on wild animals, on all wild animals. How many opossums, racoons and squirrels are killed each day on our highways, or poisoned from insecticides? Would you advocate systematically terminating any species not under our direct protection? I maintain a small feral colony and have cats that are healthy, happy and content in! their circumstances. Even if all we can do is trap, neuter, administer one round of vaccines, and release them, they are still better off than
RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals
Title: Message I said it before and I'll say it again, Hideyo: you're an angel. you really are. You're those kitties' guardian angel. Sending positive vibes that you find Squeekie, and you find her soon~~Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:43 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals I have to definitely agree with Nina. We, humans are the most powerful creature on earth, and can be the most egotistical and arrogant one, too by abusing the power we have over smaller (physically) creatures. In my mind, our lives are not any more important than any other creatures on earth. We have no right to end any creature’s life before their time come – we are supposed to protect lives of creatures who need us – but not to kill it. I have a neighbor who eventually became a friend overtime as we happened to have the same interest – which is to rescue feral cats. She moved from one side of town to the other about 9 months ago and I eventually helped her move all of her feral cats she used to feed at her old house to her new home. Before I agreed to help her, I did warn her that she was about to change their lives, and they may not be necessary asking for the change or may not wanting the change (regardless of her good intensions), but as long as she does so (regardless that’s what they want or not), I would like her to make sure that she has a responsibility to take care of their lives for the rest of their lives. And she said, yes, and so, I helped her move all the cats and helped them get socialized – She did not do everything as I had asked her to do, and she lost one of 10 cats in two days – I had asked her to keep these cats in a cage for at least week so that they can feel safe in their sanctuary and can get used to smell of the new house and feel secure again. But she got stressed out by one of the cats who was making a noise and she opened the cage and let the cat go outside – of course, the cat (Snoodle) had no idea where she was and never came back or seen. I put the flyers all over the neighborhood and tried to find her (the owner was not willing to spend the time on doing so), but never did. At this I regretted that I helped her out for the first time. Fortunately the rest of the cats got adjusted ok to new life – but I just found out that she took one of the cats, Squeekie (who was a sibling cat of the cat who ran away) back to where she was 9 month ago – she got tired of her peeing in the house (which was because she never trained her to use the litter box as I asked her to) – and she forced to the corner in the bathroom and grabbed her (as she is still a feral cats), forced her to the carrier and dumped where she was 9 month ago, which she no longer recognize or remember – as the owner had closed down the crawl space that she used to live in 9 month ago any more. I got so upset – this is considered to a suicide warrant in the rescue business – the environment is not a same for her anymore, there are new cats she never met, and new people, and she is so scared – so right now I am in the process of trying to find her and trap her back so that I can give her a home again. I guess, what I am trying to say is that we do things for our very convenience and change their lives whenever we want and however we want – regardless of their wish – the neighbor has seen her, and I staked out by the old house for a couple of house last night, I think I so her – but she looked very scared. Please please pray for me and sqeekie that I can find her and can trap her again – I need all of your good energy and prayers! Thank you! Hideyo -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 10:59 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals Tonya,I can't believe you would advocate killing ferals as a way to help their plight! Yes, their life is dangerous and they do sometimes suffer, but that doesn't mean they should be put to death. We humans are so conditioned to our relative safety that we sometimes forget how hard life can be on wild animals, on all wild animals. How many opossums, racoons and squirrels are killed each day on our highways, or poisoned from insecticides? Would you advocate systematically terminating any species not under our direct protection? I maintain a small feral colony and have cats that are healthy, happy and content in their circumstances. Even if all we can do is trap, neuter, administer one round of vaccines, and release them, they are still better off than if we turn our backs on them all together. Cats that are neutered are much less likely to fight and spread disease among themselves, if they are lucky enough to have a caretaker put out food for them they
RE: Ginger - going off food again
Title: Message Sending positive, healing vibes for Ginger. Hideyo. I hope she begins to eat again soon. May be worth you checking she doesn't have ulcers. That's what Levi had (as well as anemia) when he stopped eating. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, March 14, 2005 2:46 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Ginger - going off food again Ginger sort of stopped eating and have been force feeding her for the past couple of days – I need your prayer and healing vibes again, you guys. Also, I got back Ginger’s blood work – all her organs seem to be fine, but her HCT was 26 (and it was 28 back in October) – I was sad that it did not go up from the first time I rescued her which was back in October. She looks so much better and weighs better, but still anemic – I really hate this virus – HideyoThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: blocked tear duct
Whew--glad to hear it's not herpes that Matilda has. Good luck with the surgery, when it happens. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: blocked tear duct I brought Matilda (one of my 8mo old felv's) to the eye specialist today because she has had a watery eye since day one. My vet said it could either be herpes (scary) or a blocked tear duct, but in terms of fixing it I should see a specialist...so off we went. Turns out its just a blocked tear duct. It could either be a mucous plug from the extrememly bad eye infection she had when she was first abandoned or a congenital defect of the duct itself. He said I didn't have to do anything because other than that the leuk has had no ill effects on her eyes. my boyfriend and I have deicded to get the diagnostic/ curative flush done under anesthesia. If its a plug it will fix it if its congenital the surgeries to make a new duct are really exspensive and not that successful so we'll see. But I know how anyoing it is when my eyes water so I figure it must bug her. The surgery isn't scheduled yet because we have to save up so I 'll keep you all updated, I haven't seen anything! posted here about this so I thought it might be an interesting tidbit. Kristi This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals
7;ve seen situations that were so bad > nothing else could be done> > I fed a PACK of nearly 20 feral dogs for 2 years, trying to ma! ke some > progress. These dogs were so wild they would chase me when I took > them food! I spent many days running, turning back to 'face them > off', trying to get the puppies out before they became feral, etc > It was a lose, lose, lose situation. I spent thousands of dollars and > millions of tears. I finally had to let animal control go in and trap > and euthanize those dogs. It was heartbreaking, but there was no > PLACE for them to live, and no hope of socializing them.> > I've seen cats in construction areas where they were killed because > buildings were being demolished, cats crushed in dumpsters, etc. > My opinion is sometimes trapping and euthanizing is the best we can do > for them. And these are domestic animals, whether they be feral from > the fault of humans or not, it's a hard life for the adults and > horrible for the kittens. :(> > t>! > */tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:>> Ok, I'm going to play devil's advocate:> > I have been active in the animal rescue field for most of my> life. I have walked into alleyways in crack neighborhoods, by> myself, to feed ferals and do rescues. I have spent more money> than any "sane" person should on strays, and even have driven> across several states to place the "unadoptable" because of all> I've seen, I HAD TO SEE THE HOME FOR MYSELF, because I DO know> first hand, that there ARE places worse than death. Situations> worse than death. "Loving, forever homes" sponsored by legit> rescues and good people...worse than death.> > I'm not advocating the killing of ferals, by any means! But I can> understand the "reality" behind the decision. > > Not everyone will go to the end of the world for a cat or dog that> they didn't specifically choose..We (I am including everyone> of you on this list) few are the exceptionand as you all> know...there's just not enough of us to go around.> > I've worked in shelters. I've volunteered at no-kills. There> have been animals at both where even I have voiced..."Enough." > NOT because they weren't worth the trouble...but because there are> so few who would take the trouble.> > As for ferals, we do need to understand that many just don't> choose to deal with humans...either because of past experiences or> for their own reasons. But, they are intelligent, whole beings> with their own needs and desires and should be treated respecting> this> > I'm not certain there is an absolute right answer here...I'm not> pretending to know.> > Would I actively support the killing of ferals? NO. Is it> possible for me understand why some do?...unfortunately, when> you've seen what I've seen ...yes.> > But faced with the matter first hand, I'd still prob. go into the> poor house first...but I won't condemn those who draw the line either.> > Tamara>> */"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:>> I agree with Nina.> I think it's conflicting and difficult enough to make a> decision to euthanize when an animal is terminally ill and> suffering---one is torn between desperately not wanting the> animal in our care to suffer any more, and making this> momentous and /irreversible decision on the part of another> living and helpless creature./> So, we have absolutely no business taking the perfectly> content lives of animals into our own hands because of what/> may/ happen to them in the future. > Re PETA, I am very disappointed in that organization--it seems> to have become confused in its old age.> PETA will not be getting $$$ from me.> Kerry> -Original Message-> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Nina> *Sent:* Monday, March 14, 2005 11:59 AM> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> *Subject:* Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals>> Tonya,> I can't believe you would advocate killing ferals as a way to> help their plight! Yes, their life is dangerous and they do> sometimes suffer, but that doesn't mean they should be put to> death. We humans are so conditioned to our relative safety> that we sometimes forget how hard life can be on wild animals,> on all wild animals. How many opossums, racoons and squirrels> are killed each day on our highways, or poisoned from> insecticides? W
RE: OT:Tonya - killing ferals
any means! But >> I can >> understand the "reality" behind the decision. Not >> everyone will go to the end of the world for a cat or dog that >> they didn't specifically choose..We (I am including everyone >> of you on this list) few are the exceptionand as you all >> know...there's just not enough of us to go around. >> I've worked in shelters. I've volunteered at no-kills. There >> have been animals at both where even I have voiced..."Enough." >> NOT because they weren't worth the trouble...but because there are >> so few who would take the trouble. >> As for ferals, we do need to understand that many just don't >> choose to deal with humans...either because of past experiences or >> for their own reasons. But, they are intelligent, whole beings >> with their own needs and desires and should be treated respecting >> this >> I'm not certain there is an absolute right answer here...I'm >> not >> pretending to know. >> Would I actively support the killing of ferals? NO. Is it >> possible for me understand why some do?...unfortunately, when >> you've seen what I've seen ...yes. >> But faced with the matter first hand, I'd still prob. go >> into the >> poor house first...but I won't condemn those who draw the line >> either. >> Tamara >> >> */"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: >> >> I agree with Nina. >> I think it's conflicting and difficult enough to make a >> decision to euthanize when an animal is terminally ill and >> suffering---one is torn between desperately not wanting the >> animal in our care to suffer any more, and making this >> momentous and /irreversible decision on the part of another >> living and helpless creature./ >> So, we have absolutely no business taking the perfectly >> content lives of animals into our own hands because of what/ >> may/ happen to them in the future. Re PETA, I am very >> disappointed in that organization--it seems >> to have become confused in its old age. >> PETA will not be getting $$$ from me. >> Kerry >> -Original Message- >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Nina >> *Sent:* Monday, March 14, 2005 11:59 AM >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> *Subject:* Re: OT:Tonya - killing ferals >> >> Tonya, >> I can't believe you would advocate killing ferals as a way to >> help their plight! Yes, their life is dangerous and they do >> sometimes suffer, but that doesn't mean they should be put to >> death. We humans are so conditioned to our relative safety >> that we sometimes forget how hard life can be on wild animals, >> on all wild animals. How many opossums, racoons and squirrels >> are killed each day on our highways, or poisoned from >> insecticides? Would you advocate systematically terminating >> any species not under our direct protection? I maintain a >> small feral colony and have cats that are healthy, happy and >> content in their circumstances. Even if all we can do is >> trap, neuter, administer one round of vaccines, and release >> them, they are still better off than if we turn our backs on >> them all together. Cats that are neutered are much less >> likely to fight and spread disease among themselves, if they >> are lucky enough to have a caretaker put out food for them >> they will live in harmony. They can and do, live, full, rich, >> happy lives. How arrogant it is to assume that only when they >> are in our houses and under our direct care are they able to >> be happy to be alive. Humans are the direct cause of these >> cats circumstances, the least we can do is step up and accept >> the responsibility of helping to maintain their numbers. >> Believe me, I understand the discomfort of thinking about >> these cats suffering and dieing out there alone, but killing >> them before their time is not the answer. >> >> Nina >> >> >> catatonya wrote: >> >>>
RE: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post
Title: Message Thanks Cherie. I didn't see that. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:26 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post This was on the news last night, and they need some help, if we all can crosspost as much as possible. Thanks cherie http://www.treehouseanimals.org/index.pl/homeThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post
Title: Message Yes, it's such a fantastic place I agree. I always go to their open house and buy my Xmas cards there, and when I used to have spare $$ it was the Tree House who got them. That's how I got my brood, in fact---I went to the Tree House to buy Xmas cards and came away (over the next 2 months, anyway!) with 6 FeLV cats. It was December 2003, and I was waiting for the volunteer on the desk to go find the cards, which I'd ordered ahead of time. It was a freezing night. I asked a young woman who had just walked in on my heels if she'd come to adopt a cat. No, she said; she'd come because she'd been feeding 7 cats in her yard since October, and now it was so bitterly cold she needed the Tree House to catch them and take them in. Well, to make a long story short, not only could the Tree House not help her or take them inthey said they were at capacity, plus they didn't go out any more to trap catswe couldn't find any shelter in the city to take them. She was going to take them to anti-cruelty, where I knew they would almost certainly have been PTS (and now know they would definitely have done, because of their being both feral and FELV, which we didn't know at the time). (The Tree House, I'm sad to say, even if they had taken them, would not have kept them, because of the FeLV. I was told by a friend who volunteers there that they put FeLV cats to sleep.) And the rest is history! Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:35 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post No prob, I think it is a great idea, there are real trees in the house and some of the cats will probally just end up living the rest of their days there, it is a wonderful idea to get cats off the streets. Cherie "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks Cherie. I didn't see that. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:26 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post This was on the news last night, and they need some help, if we all can crosspost as much as possible. Thanks cherie http://www.treehouseanimals.org/index.pl/homeThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
For vwali: RE: Message to post
Title: Message Hi, and welcome, though I'm very sorry for the reason you had to find us. Maximus is a lucky kitty to have found you and your boyfriend. You have definitely come to the right place---you'll get great advice AND moral support. I was lucky enough to find this list a year ago, and I don't know what I would have done without the incredibly helpful and specific advice, as well as all the moral support, that I got from the kind, wise, seasoned members on the list. They are a truly amazing group of individuals. I'm going to send you info on diet & supplements. Because much of it comes from a wonderful book that I was referred to when I was still reeling from the discovery that 5 of the 6 kitties I was in the process of taking in all had FeLV, I'm sending it to your private email address to reduce the risk of running into copyright issues. There are also 2 other books that are referred to a lot by members, which I don't yet have, but I'll dig up the precise names and send those also to you. Welcome again to you and Maximus. I'll be in touch again shortly. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:18 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Message to post Hi everyone, I was just doing some research on Feline Leukemia, and found this website. My cat, Maximus, is the best cat ever. My boyfriend and I found him as a stray and took him in. We brought him to the vet (after we fell in love with him), and they did the leukemia test, and it came back positive. We were devastated. So far he seems to be doing okay, but I get scared everyday that I'm going to come home from work and he's going to be sick. He always sounds like he has a cold. I don't know much about the disease, except that there is no cure. He's not even two years old yet. If anyone has any ideas on how I can make sure that he lives as much of a healthy life that he can, that would be great. This is a great website.This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Message to post
Title: Message I just sent diet suggestions to your aol address. Would you mind please confirming when you get it. Don't concern yourself with putting Maximus on a diet. Be glad he enjoys his food! (One of the biggest problems many of us unfortunately encounter at some point in our FeLv kitties is lack of interest in eating.) One more thing: you will find that many members' advice is better than many vets' advice, as many--probably most---vets unfortunately don't know much about FeLV. take care, Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:45 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Message to post Thank you guys! I have not tried any medicines on the cat, my doctor didn't recommend any. What is Interferon? And as for food, what do you suggest? I'm feeding him Purina Indoor Formula Cat Chow. The vet did say that he is slightly overweight, so he will be going on a diet soon. Thanks again. -Original Message-From: Cherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:25:23 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: Message to post Welcome, Sorry you had to find us this way, but we are all here for each other with tons of support. My Amber Girl is positive and she sounds like she has a cold, you can always here her breathing, but that is ok she is still goodare you using Interferon for Maximus?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the list. You will get a lot of emails. Someone put together a bunch of recommendations and made a little "FeLV primer," and someone else has an email with lots of food and supplement recommendations. I am sure they both will send them to you. In general, make sure Maximus stays as stress-free as possible, avoid surgeries unless absolutely necessary, feed good quality foods (not the ones in supermarkets), feed immune support supplements daily, and learn about what illenesses can strike FeLV+ cats and what the treatments are so you will be prepared if it happens. You will learn specifics on all of these from the aforementioned prefab emails you will probably be sent, and from the archived and ongoing posts. Take care, Michelle In a message dated 3/15/05 2:18:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi everyone, I was just doing some research on Feline Leukemia, and found this website. My cat, Maximus, is the best cat ever. My boyfriend and I found him as a stray and took him in. We brought him to the vet (after we fell in love with him), and they did the leukemia test, and it came back positive. We were devastated. So far he seems to be doing okay, but I get scared everyday that I'm going to come home from work and he's going to be sick. He always sounds like he has a cold. I don't know much about the disease, except that there is no cure. He's not even two years old yet. If anyone has any ideas on how I can make sure that he lives as much of a healthy life that he can, that would be great. This is a great website. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
for Michelle--the reason they are still "foster" cats
Title: Message Thanks for asking, Michelle. I should first clarify that the shelter (Tree House) wanted, and had, nothing to do with the cats :>(. They'd had 16 kittens left on their doorstep the previous night, and there already was NO room at the inn. So the only relevance the Tree House has in their history is that I happened to strike up a conversation with the "rescuer" on the Tree House premises. Knowing these cats were living in the open during a Chicago winter, there was no way in the world I could walk away from them. The idea of these poor little mites trying to survive in sub-zero temps was heart-breaking. (Well, you guys sure know how that story goes.) I trawled the shelters as fast as I could (because the rescuer was going to take them to Anti-Cruelty) and finally PAWS said that while they would not take them they would spay and neuter them and put them on their web site for adoption, and deal with the adoption side of things, as long as I "fostered" them. I figured I could do that--seemed pretty straighforward, ignorance is bliss: I look after them, they look for adopters, and hey presto the kitties have nice new homes! As if it isn't hard enough to find good homes, it soon came to light that they were both feral and FeLV. (I thought until then that feral just meant "stray"---just finding out about traps and learning how they work lost valuable time.) AnywayI have always wanted to find them homes, where they can run around instead of being confined to one room as they are now, but I don't feel they stand a chance while they're feral as well as FeLV. So, I've been (unsuccessfully so far) trying to tame the little scamps. I figured that if they were at least cuddle-able, there was a chance some good souls would give them a proper home. I know I also need to be able to post pix and bios, and that's something I don't have the capability of doing yet, but was working towards until my laptop broke down last week! (Ever feel like you're wading thro molasses?!) It breaks my heart having them confined to one room, but I can't bring myself to risk my healthy cats contracting the disease. It's a conflict that I wrestle with every day. The other important factor in the "foster" moniker is that there's a 50/50 chance I will have to relocate to the UK in the foreseeable future, and legally I would not be able to take the FeLV kitties. If I can find homes for them, I would like to continue to foster FeLV kitties---but officially through a shelter, not on the present basis---while I'm still in the US. (And of course, wherever I am.) Hope that clarifies things! And if anyone has any ideas on my finding homes please let me have them! Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:14 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse -Kerry Kerry, I was always wondering how you ended up with your ferals. But now I really don't understand why you call them "fosters." Are you looking for homes for them? I had thought you called them that because you took them in through a shelter, like I did with mine (I called mine "fosters" for a while too, because they technically were per my original agreement with the shelter, but that quickly changed). MichelleThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post
Title: Message Yes, you're right Cherie. I don't have any spare $$$ anyway these days but I decided that when I do it will go to a FeLV shelter in future. I can't be totally anti them, because they do so much for injured and (other) sick cats. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:15 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post How can they do that and advertise that they are a NO KILL shelter, that enrages me. Cherie"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, it's such a fantastic place I agree. I always go to their open house and buy my Xmas cards there, and when I used to have spare $$ it was the Tree House who got them. That's how I got my brood, in fact---I went to the Tree House to buy Xmas cards and came away (over the next 2 months, anyway!) with 6 FeLV cats. It was December 2003, and I was waiting for the volunteer on the desk to go find the cards, which I'd ordered ahead of time. It was a freezing night. I asked a young woman who had just walked in on my heels if she'd come to adopt a cat. No, she said; she'd come because she'd been feeding 7 cats in her yard since October, and now it was so bitterly cold she needed the Tree House to catch them and take them in. Well, to make a long story short, not only could the Tree House not help her or take them inthey said they were at capacity, plus they didn't go out any more to trap catswe couldn't find any shelter in the city to take them. She was going to take them to anti-cruelty, where I knew they would almost certainly have been PTS (and now know they would definitely have done, because of their being both feral and FELV, which we didn't know at the time). (The Tree House, I'm sad to say, even if they had taken them, would not have kept them, because of the FeLV. I was told by a friend who volunteers there that they put FeLV cats to sleep.) And the rest is history! Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:35 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post No prob, I think it is a great idea, there are real trees in the house and some of the cats will probally just end up living the rest of their days there, it is a wonderful idea to get cats off the streets. Cherie "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks Cherie. I didn't see that. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:26 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: Chicagoland's Cat treehouse - Please cross post This was on the news last night, and they need some help, if we all can crosspost as much as possible. Thanks cherie http://www.treehouseanimals.org/index.pl/homeThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
RE: New addition
Title: Message I've got tears in my eyes. That's fabulous, Terrie. I wish you, your husband and Kitty (have you named her yet) many happy years together. Kerry -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:21 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: New addition Hi all, Last week this time I picked up a kitty that was willed to my rescue that another Humane Society had delivered to me. They drove over 3 hours to get her to me. Never had one this old willed to me before. The person was put into a nursing home and passed on. This kitty I swear maybe had a few days of life in her...now she is progressing well...Amazing! Anyway, the kitty is negative on the Felv/Fiv test (they tested her). She is a 15 yr old Spayed female Siamese purebred. She was extremely underweight she is a large boned kitty and has big feet. She could very easily weigh when healthy 14-15 pounds but she is lucky if she weighs 5-6 pounds at the time of arrival. Very nice personality gets along with my others. I have been feeding her alot of different dryfoods because I free feed my kitties. Been giving her extra wetfood as well. She has gain almost a pound since being here. Fur is getting soft. She had diarrhea the first 2 days, now that is gone stools are solid and normal...YAY! Is there something else that I can give her to help boost her system? Like supplements or something? She will be pampered by my husband and I for the rest of her life. Last night she purred for the first time since being here. She is such a sweetie too...By the way she does sleep with us and the other kitties on our bed. THANK GOD it's a King Size bed! I'm open for any suggestions...thanks! Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. <><>
RE: New addition
Title: Message Ah, so it's not just me then! Relief! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:02 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: New addition In a message dated 3/16/2005 6:18:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: p.s. We have a king-sized bed, too, and they usually give me a little strip to sleep on; as long as I don't take up too much room. And forget pillows! LOL...I have to make a comment on this. I agree totally! Boy do I feel like a pretzel when I wake up but in the same token they are my security knowing they are there. Have slept with kitties all my life so it feels awkward when I'm away from home unless I visit my daughter then her cats will sleep with me. Does this make any sense to you guys? Maybe I'm weirdlol Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. <><>
RE: New addition
Title: Message
Tiger
has to have meds every night. If I'm not smart enough to catch him unawares and
give it to him by, say, 9-ish, he takes off after that time and hides below the
bed, because he knows it's THAT sort of time.
I've
learned now not to try and get him out when he hides--it's a waste of time. I
know now that what I have to do is finish all my end of evening chores, go to
bed, and put the lights out. Only then--and always then--I hear a
plaintive miaow ("So what took you so long?"), his
little head emerges, and he jumps on the bed. And then I have to grab
him, put the light on, take him to the bathroom etc. Scamp! I guess he
figures it's one satisfying way to pay me back.
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of ChrisSent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:25
AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: New
addition
And don’t you love it
when you move around a bit too much & they give you that look!! (how
dare you make me move!)
Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:02
AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: New addition
In a message dated 3/16/2005 6:18:59
AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
p.s. We have a king-sized bed,
too, and they usually give me a little strip to sleep on; as long as I don't
take up too much room. And forget
pillows!
LOL...I have to
make a comment on this. I agree totally!
Boy do I feel like
a pretzel when I wake up but in the same token they are my security knowing they
are there. Have slept with kitties all my life so it feels awkward when I'm away
from home unless I visit my daughter then her cats will sleep with
me.
Does this make any
sense to you guys?
Maybe I'm
weirdlol
Terrie
MohrCheck site for
available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL
TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S
ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE
RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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RE: New addition
Title: Message That's hilarious! Tom sounds adorable!! What a sweetheart. He just wants to be part of the family! (I know your Mom thinks otherwise). -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:56 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: New addition hehehehhe.. As a child I slept in a twin sized bed with three miniture poodles! My mom & dad have two poodles, a large french standard and a large miniature. (She's not wild about cats b/c they shed...but she takes really good care of two "strays" that adopted my father.) Anyway, now that (the standard) is old, she insists on sleeping on the bed with my parents...(queen-size bed), the miniature, has always slept with them. Well...needless to say...there isn't enough room for what comes out to three full sized-adults and one child to fit, so Mom & Dad take turns sleeping in the spare room so the standard can fit on the bed! :) Well, the two stray "feral" cats that they have been feeding for years, now have my parents trained to let them in & out of the house...but Mom always HERDS them into the finished basement and tries to keep them down thereTom, the dirtiest of the two (think Pigpen from the Peanuts cartoon) rips out his hair in chunks and leave piles of himself everywherewell...he made his way upstairs during the night, and Mom woke up with him curled up on Dad's pillow nose to nose with her! .Needless to say...there was screaming! :) Don't feel too bad for Tom tho...to this day he can't imagine that its him Mom is screaming at! :) p.s. We have a king-sized bed, too, and they usually give me a little strip to sleep on; as long as I don't take up too much room. And forget pillows! LOL...I have to make a comment on this. I agree totally! Boy do I feel like a pretzel when I wake up but in the same token they are my security knowing they are there. Have slept with kitties all my life so it feels awkward when I'm away from home unless I visit my daughter then her cats will sleep with me. Does this make any sense to you guys? Maybe I'm weirdlol Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more.This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. <><>
RE: New addition
Title: Message They sound such characters. I love them! And they are such civilized cats too---waiting to use the litter box even when they're desperate! (At first I read this >>AND Tom often uses the standard poodle as a bed,<<<< as "standard poodle's bed"---now I see what you really wrote! Hilarious!) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:17 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: New addition Mom to this day absolutely REFUSES to acknowledge that they are now her and Dad's cats, even tho they have been feeding and vetting them for ...oh...3 years or so. They have their own room in the basement, my old studio -w/ two double windows, cabinets pushed up under them so they can see out, their own beds, afghan blankets, toys...etc..and as of last summer, they pretty much have run of the basement and a bit of upstairsbut they still aren't "her's" :) ...Although they did both claim two of the three new chairs when my parent's re-did the living room...AND Tom often uses the standard poodle as a bed, much to Mom's horror... (They are indoor-outdoor cats...but Dad has them trained to be at the back door by 10:00 pm sharp so he can put them in for the night...He'll let them out if they insist and tell them, "Now you be back here at 10!" and danged if they aren't!) Mom can't understand how...since they do come and go, WHY they insist on ! using the litterbox in the house for the smelly stuff...They actually will claw to get in and run to the studio to use the box! (I think they do it just to tick her off!)"MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That's hilarious! Tom sounds adorable!! What a sweetheart. He just wants to be part of the family! (I know your Mom thinks otherwise). -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:56 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: New addition hehehehhe.. As a child I slept in a twin sized bed with three miniture poodles! My mom & dad have two poodles, a large french standard and a large miniature. (She's not wild about cats b/c they shed...but she takes really good care of two "strays" that adopted my father.) Anyway, now that (the standard) is old, she insists on sleeping on the bed with my parents...(queen-size bed), the miniature, has always slept with them. Well...needless to say...there isn't enough room for what comes out to three full sized-adults and one child to fit, so Mom & Dad take turns sleeping in the spare room so the standard can fit on the bed! :) Well, the two stray "feral" cats that they have been feeding for years, now have my parents trained to let them in & out of the house...but Mom always HERDS them into the finished basement and tries to keep them down thereTom, the dirtiest of the two (think Pigpen from the Peanuts cartoon) rips out his hair in chunks and leave piles of himself everywherewell...he made his way upstairs during the night, and Mom woke up with him curled up on Dad's pillow nose to nose with her! .Needless to say...there was screaming! :) Don't feel too bad for Tom tho...to this day he can't imagine that its him Mom is screaming at! :) p.s. We have a king-sized bed, too, and they usually give me a little strip to sleep on; as long as I don't take up too much room. And forget pillows! LOL...I have to make a comment on this. I agree totally! Boy do I feel like a pretzel when I wake up but in the same token they are my security knowing they are there. Have slept with kitties all my life so it feels awkward when I'm away from home unless I visit my daughter then her cats will sleep with me. Does this make any sense to you guys? Maybe I'm weirdlol Terrie MohrCheck site for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org
RE: Imperfection of Vets
That's dreadful, Sally. Absolutely awful. Every time I think I've heard it allI'm proven wrong. I'm so sorry. You know, I had this assumption that every vet goes into the field because they have a love for animals. But I now believe that's a very naive point of view. It just ain't true. Some do, certainly. But they're just like doctors, it seems to me. Many go in for the $$$ and don't really care that much about animals. I wish you hadn't had that horrible experience--you of all people in this world. So unfair. hugs, Kerryxxx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 12:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Imperfection of Vets Dear Gloria: You are being too kind when you say that some vets are just more imperfect than others, or is this meant as a sarcastic understatement? I am still suffering a year later due to that Vet-from-Hell who forced me into allowing her to euthanize a geriatric kitty of mine I had taken for a blood panel (who when asked told me he wanted to go home to die at a time of his own choosing through an AC) by threatening to call Animal Control to have him seized for that purpose. And then, after I sacrificed Caramel because of the unknown consequences to the rest of my rescues should Animal Control come knocking on my door, she still called then and sent them to my home and I lived on pins and needs worrying for months afterwards. Perhaps some of you remember my anguished posts from Feb-March '04? Some vets are far more than merely "imperfect!" Sally in San Jose This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
OT/OCD
Title: Message
YesI'm afraid payback last night was lots of "presents" for me
thru'out the house AFTER I (finally thought I) had got to bed. Poor Tiger...he's
a very needy little kitty ---he's been diagnosed as OCD---he's on clamypradine
(sp?--but any other suggs very welcome. He gets a lot of attention, but I don't
think he can ever get enough. It's a bottomless pit. Kerry
-Original Message-From:
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On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:56
PTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: New
addition
Ha! I've done the same. Just wait. He'll wise up to
that routine as well!
t"MacKenzie, Kerry N."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Tiger has to have meds every night. If I'm not smart enough to catch
him unawares and give it to him by, say, 9-ish, he takes off after that time
and hides below the bed, because he knows it's THAT sort of
time.
I've
learned now not to try and get him out when he hides--it's a waste of time. I
know now that what I have to do is finish all my end of evening chores, go to
bed, and put the lights out. Only then--and always then--I hear a
plaintive miaow ("So what took you so long?"), his
little head emerges, and he jumps on the bed. And then I have to
grab him, put the light on, take him to the bathroom etc. Scamp! I guess
he figures it's one satisfying way to pay me back.
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
ChrisSent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:25 AMTo:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: New
addition
And don’t you love it
when you move around a bit too much & they give you that look!! (how
dare you make me move!)
Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:02
AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: New
addition
In a message dated 3/16/2005
6:18:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
p.s. We have a king-sized bed,
too, and they usually give me a little strip to sleep on; as long as I don't
take up too much room. And forget
pillows!
LOL...I have to
make a comment on this. I agree totally!
Boy do I feel
like a pretzel when I wake up but in the same token they are my security
knowing they are there. Have slept with kitties all my life so it feels
awkward when I'm away from home unless I visit my daughter then her cats will
sleep with me.
Does this make
any sense to you guys?
Maybe I'm
weirdlol
Terrie
MohrCheck site for
available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL
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RE: OT/OCD
Title: Message
Erm...Obsessive Compulsive Disorderresult of being weaned too
soon...the meds certainly change him from a shrieking and extremely upset little
cat to a normal feisty one.
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Thursday, March 17, 2005
10:34 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re:
OT/OCD
OCD?"MacKenzie, Kerry N."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
YesI'm afraid payback last night was lots of "presents" for me
thru'out the house AFTER I (finally thought I) had got to bed. Poor
Tiger...he's a very needy little kitty ---he's been diagnosed as OCD---he's on
clamypradine (sp?--but any other suggs very welcome. He gets a lot of
attention, but I don't think he can ever get enough. It's a bottomless pit.
Kerry
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
catatonyaSent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 11:56 PTo:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: New
addition
Ha! I've done the same. Just wait. He'll wise up
to that routine as well!
t"MacKenzie, Kerry N."
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Tiger has to have meds every night. If I'm not smart enough to catch
him unawares and give it to him by, say, 9-ish, he takes off after that time
and hides below the bed, because he knows it's THAT sort of
time.
I've learned now not to try and get him out when he hides--it's a
waste of time. I know now that what I have to do is finish all my end of
evening chores, go to bed, and put the lights out. Only then--and always
then--I hear a plaintive miaow ("So what took you so long?"), his
little head emerges, and he jumps on the bed. And then I have to
grab him, put the light on, take him to the bathroom etc. Scamp! I
guess he figures it's one satisfying way to pay me back.
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
ChrisSent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:25 AMTo:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: New
addition
And don’t you love
it when you move around a bit too much & they give you that look!!
(how dare you make me move!)
Chris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original
Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:02
AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: New
addition
In a message dated 3/16/2005
6:18:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
p.s. We have a
king-sized bed, too, and they usually give me a little strip to sleep on;
as long as I don't take up too much room. And forget
pillows!
LOL...I have
to make a comment on this. I agree
totally!
Boy do I feel
like a pretzel when I wake up but in the same token they are my security
knowing they are there. Have slept with kitties all my life so it feels
awkward when I'm away from home unless I visit my daughter then her cats
will sleep with me.
Does this make
any sense to you guys?
Maybe I'm
weirdlol
Terrie
MohrCheck site
for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.iGive.com/TAZZYShttps://www.paypal.com/TAZZY'S
ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttp://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlTAZZY'S
ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE & COLLIE
RESCUEOwner/DriverPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.orecatay.com/http://www.awca.net/index.htmhttp://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/http://www.meezer.com/http://thesiamesestore.com/http://tx.siameserescue.org/adopt.htmlhttp://ca.siameserescue.org/http://co.siameserescue.org/http://va.siameserescue.org/This
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