Re: [Felvtalk] Frosty Paws will be PTS tomorrow
I don't understand why people don't tell you the full story. I run into that all the time in rescue. She may have just been afraid you wouldn't take him. I wish you the best tomorrow. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:07:28 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Frosty Paws will be PTS tomorrow Well, I just got off the phone with the woman who rescued him, and she told me some things I hadn't known about. First of all, she said he'd frequently been sick: lethargic, lifeless, with labored breathing. She didn't know he was positive at the time. And I thought she'd had him for just a little while, but in fact he'd lived with her since last April. I'm not sure when he was tested. So this guy has been symptomatic for some time, now. I wish I'd known this. I would have still taken him in - but I'd have begun some sort of treatment a month ago. She's a reiki practicioner, and when he had these episodes of illness she'd work on him and he'd recover. She's driving an hour from Newnan tomorrow to meet me at the vet, and we'll take things from there. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] intro
Shannon- I've had many FeLV cats over the last 10 years. I've never separated them from my negative cats. One of my FeLV negative cats was FIV positive. I vaccinated for FeLV every 6 months on the advice of my vet - won't mention her name, but she is now a nationally known vet. They all shared food, water, etc. None of my negative cats ever got the FeLV. Not even my FIV cat. There have been others on this list in the past who mixed their cats as well. On the subject of giving the FVRCP vaccines I can tell you I do not ever give it to my FeLV cats anymore. The last time I did the cat immediately got sick never recovered. She died within a few weeks of getting the vaccine. I know others who don't give it to their FeLV cats either - for the same reason. You would not give a sick cat a vaccine FeLV cats already have a depressed immune system. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:09:28 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] intro hi, I just joined this group - not sure how active it is, but I was thrilled to find the site. I've been taking care of a feral turned 'could be housecat' for 6 months. Finally I was able to trap Whimsy and got him fixed, etc. He turned out to be FeLV positive, but seemingly asymptomatic. We did not do a blood work as initially this was to be a TNR. He is approx 1 1/2 yrs old. I have other inside kitties, so after hearing the FeLV news it wasn't an option to bring him in, but I also refused to put him down. He does still live outside, but won't stay in the numerous shelters I have put out for him any longer due to possums moving into them. He hangs out in the yard most of the time, despite the cold Midwest weather, and is fed twice a day. Since his fixing 4 wks ago, he's become even sweeter, almost babyish and refuses to get off my lap when it's time for me to go inside. He's a real climber, jumper, I often see him on roofs and in trees. He was popcorning all over the place at the vet's - though I got him to walk into the carrier, he had to be sedated once there after a near escape. my question: I have a sun room that I could put him in, if my partner agrees, but what risk is there to my other kitties, a few with their own issues (FIV, HCM, CRF, lung issues, allergies). I am not super concerned about FeLV being spread since they'd be separated(unlikely) but other things Whimsy might have - like Panleuk. I have never been able to get a stool sample from him. what other scary things are possible? how do I ensure he won't have them? I did confirm the ELISA with an IFA, and it was positive. This is 'stage 5 or 6', then? His health issues have been: bouts of no appetitite in Dec coinciding with a runny eye and wound on chest. I got him on antibiotics and it took a good 2 wks, but the eye cleared and his appetite was back. He's had some not eating issues lately, but seems more concerned I coax him and sit with him while he eats. Pepcid helps slightly. He's also been on an immune booster for a month. He used to be a dodgy feral and now tries to rub his face on mine - he's come such a long way. I would love to hear any opinions or stories. thanks, Shannon ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Foster mom of FeLV+ cat
Hi Trish! I mix my FeVL Cats with my negative cats. I have for years with no problem. I simply vaccinate my negatives every 6 months. I am so happy to know your group has decided to give this kitty a chance. So many rescues simply euthanize them. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Trish Sebben trishseb...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:18:59 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Foster mom of FeLV+ cat Hi, My foster kitty, Zelda, has been diagnosed FeLV+ (snap test and IFA). I am seeking advice on the best way to care for Zelda, who is about a year old and has no symptoms, and also looking for resources and ideas for adoption. She has had extensive bloodwork, and our vet says she is an otherwise healthy girl. Any advice, particularly regarding adoption resources for FeLV+ cats, would be greatly appreciated. She has a home here as long as she needs it, and I will move mountains if necessary to find an adoptive home for her. She currently has her own room at my house, but I can tell she is a social girl, and she deserves a home of her own. I have four FeLV negative cats of my own, and don't want her to spend her life in a small room by herself. I am observing normal sanitary protocols - she is separate from my cats with no contact, and I thoroughly wash up when entering and leaving her room. Right now she is being treated for bartonella, which all of the cats from the colony she came from have tested positive for, and is two weeks into her three week treatment. We also treated her for coccydia. She's been spayed and vaccinated. Is there anything else I should be doing for her besides providing a warm, quiet environment and lots of love? Thanks for any info you can provide - this is my rescue's first FeLV case. It was suggested that I send her to sanctuary, but I see that option as a last resort, and don't want to turn my back so quickly on this sweet girl who has put her trust in me. Thanks! Trish ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive
I'm so sorry to hear this. I've always mixed mine with no transmission. But that was a personal choice. I know some people on this list have successfully treated anemia. It depends on what is the underlying cause. They give Doxy in the hopes it is Hemobart. I hope for the best for you and Casper. Beth --Original Message-- From: Frank Sue Koren Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org To: FeLV talk ReplyTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive Sent: Mar 4, 2010 7:47 PM My poor sweet Casper is FeLV+. So by making the decision to mix I have condemned him. He is anemic and he is going on Doxycyclne and Prednosolone. Has anyone ever heard of a cat that has anemia living longer then a few months? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] MeMe 2006-3-32010
Jane - What a wonderful tribute to an extraordinary cat. And it sounds like she had extraordinary owners. All my FeLV cats have brought something special to my life I have never regretted keeping any of them, no matter how much heartbreak I have had to go through. One day your memories of her will only make you smile. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jane Lyons j.ly...@mindspring.com Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:11:52 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] MeMe 2006-3-32010 I sent this message yesterday with a photo of MeMe but it did not go through the list. There are two photos of her on my photo webpage. The one on the bottom right is the best of the two (if anyone wants to see her face) Say two of the grieving process is not any better. Jane photos http://digitalimagecafe.com/member_profile.asp?member=memex2 Last night the vet came at 10:00 to put MeMe to sleep. I had her for three years and two days and I am grateful for each and everyone of those days. She was an extraordinary cat. She was highly symptomatic with Felv when we adopted her but we managed to get her to a place of almost normalcy for almost three years and up until the last few months she lived a full and happy life. She had been in steady decline since mid December and the quality of her life had diminished drastically. She stopped eating three days ago and yesterday morning she could not jump down from the kitchen countertop. It was at that moment that I knew I had to make the call. Four weeks ago she had a complete blood work up which turned out to be completely normal. The vet was astonished when he called me with her report. He said he had been afraid to read it because he didn't want to call me with , what he was sure, would be a bad report. I knew, despite the numbers that she was not well. We had given her a round of Clavamox to help her stomatitis and she developed diarrhea that I could not get rid of despite homeopathy and Forti-Flora that had worked before. We did an ultra sound of her digestive tract which proved to be inconclusive'' and yet she continued to get sicker. Yesterday my husband found a mass behind her right ear that was enormous. It had not been there a few weeks ago but I suspect her lymphatic system has been under assault since mid December when I began to see changes in her coat and her energy and then her behavior. Through it all, she continued to seek us out to sit in our laps and to sleep in our bed. She never hid or indicated that she wanted to be alone. This weekend I walked into the front hall to find her lying between our two Scotties in a pool of sunlight. As sick and as vulnerable as she was, she trusted them and us. She was a strong and trusting and courageous animal who could scale 40' trees with more agility than a squirrel. She was fearless and when we discovered that she was positive and could not go out she adapted to her cat jacket and spent all her days outside or going for walks with the dogs. She led the pack with her tail straight up and an occasional detour to climb a tree (with her 20' retractable leash). I could go on forever. She was just too wonderful. I have one positive thing to report. She had stomatitis (inflamed and sore gums) which we treated with antibiotics and homeopathy and a topical spray. Nothing worked for long. I discovered over this past month that the pro-biotic I was using for her diarrhea helped her mouth enormously. I was mixing Forti-Flora in her food twice a day for weeks and last week I noticed that her mouth was almost normal. For anyone dealing with stomatitis you might try a probiotic. So dear friends I think that all of us who are loving these endearing, loving creatures can learn a lot from their nobility and grace. MeMe was a gift and a life lesson to me. She has taught me so much and while she is not sitting in my lap as I type (and cry) she is deeply imbedded in my heart and will always be. Bless all of you who are living and learning from these very special beings love Jane ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed
I'm so sorry you lost her, so soon after Frosty Paws. At least she didn't suffer for a long time. I'm hoping your house stays healthy for a while now. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:28:45 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed Baby Girl died tonight around 7:30. It feels so strange to write that; I've had her for two years, she's been symptom-free for two yearsand then it happened. She declined quickly. I knew she was not going to make it, so we had a vet appointment for tomorrow morning for her to be PTS. Even a couple of days ago she was purring a bit and looking for chin scratches and head rubs, but by the time I left for work this morning I think she hardly knew I was there. When I arrived home this evening she was lying on her side, barely breathing. I held her on my lap for about 45 minutes, just waiting, then she shuddered, my lights flickered and she was gone. She will join Duncan, Charlotte, Chutney and Frosty Paws at the bridge. Now Celery is the last remaining cat of my original FeLV group. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] The Heavens Cried for Max Today
He sounds like he was a very special little boy. They all have their own personalities each touches us in their own way. You are so wonderful to have given them love. Beth --Original Message-- From: Sharyl Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk ReplyTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] The Heavens Cried for Max Today Sent: Mar 29, 2010 4:50 PM I just mentioned my dear sweet Maxwell in a post. I had adopted him and his sister last yr from a rescue as FeLV+ kittens. I lost Molly Brown to wet FIP earlier this yr. Today I lost Max to wet FIP. I'm guessing their little immune suppressed bodies were more susceptible. It was raining as I drove Max to the vet this morning to have him PTS. He passed on the way. He is now at the crematory and his ashes will join Molly's and all my Angels. He was a real lover. Was happiest cuddled on my shoulder. He'd follow me around the house and always beat me to the kitchen where he begged for his favorite Temptation treats. Please add Max to the CLS. Sadly Sharyl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Positive Young Mom Cat Babies
I don't know anything about this, so forgive me if this is an ignorant question, but isn't Aloe Vera toxic to cats? I know our rescue adopted out a cat that got very ill from munching on her new owner's Aloe Vera Plant. Beth --Original Message-- From: jbero tds.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ReplyTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Positive Young Mom Cat Babies Sent: Mar 28, 2010 7:51 PM Gary, You ask a loaded question. Technically oral 'acemannan' is not yet available. What I was referring to was the oral form of sugars that are an extract from the aloe vera plant. The best product would be an organic all natural aloe vera juice preparation. There are a few good ones out there. With respect to specific papers supporting it's efficacy. Well, this is convoluted. Largely because felv is so unpredictable and it's hard to say whether any of these treatments are really doing anything anyway. Having said that, there are many papers written about the value of aloe vera poly- and mono-saccharides in viral infections and immune support. In reference to felv specifically most studies have been done around the IP injection. There is a paper comparing the use of IP injection and oral preparation in fiv cats - comparable results in each group. I don't have access to pub meb from this computer, but can get it from work and send you the abstract. To me the big issue is whether or not things are absorbed through the oral preparation - the fiv paper supports that it does and most of what I know about intestinal absorption supports easy passive and active diffusion of the sugars. Additionally any IP injection would also require absorption into the vascular system. To the best of my knowledge no specific research has yet been done or at least published to answer your exact question. Although it always nice to have evidence to support actions, sometimes the data just isn't there. I still believe in the value of acemannan and believe it can be used orally if only as a support measure in assisting the immune system. I have recently, however, spoken with a number of holistic vets who have better success with a oral supplement known as Moducare - it is a plant sterol derivative known to modulate the immune system. Some of them have also expressed support of the Standard Process feline immune support supplement. Who knows. I wish there was a straight forward easy answer to this disease. I really do, but I haven't found it yet. I will keep searching and I hope that if you find anything of value that you share it with me. Thanks and I will send you the paper when I can. Jenny On 3/26/10, Gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: I would be very interested in the source of the oral product and the protocol for FeLV cats. Also, any articles or studies relating to the use of oral Acemannan. Thanks, Gary jbero tds.net wrote: Minnie, 3. Acemannan - a supplement known to help fight off the virus. I would get them on an oral dose of this daily. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccine
Many vets don't recommend them for indoor cats because of the problem with vaccine-site sarcomas. I think you should always get them at least their 1st vaccine booster. Beth --Original Message-- From: Lorrie Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ReplyTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccine Sent: Mar 27, 2010 8:51 AM A friend who lives in the Wash. DC area just told me her vet no longer recommends vaccines for FelV. In her case, she had a cat she adopted who was FelV pos. and he died at 18 months of age. She had her other two cats vaccinated last year when she found out he was pos. and when she went to get their annual FelV boosters she was told they don't recommend them. I'm not sure if this means just the boosters or any FelV shots. Have any of you heard anything about this? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PS Whimsy - twitching/jerking
Is there no rescue near you that can help him? Do you have any animal friendly friends? Get him in a carrier into a vet ASAP, PLEASE! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:22:21 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] PS Whimsy - twitching/jerking I should also mention that he seems frantic too, and runs in bursts, jumps on fences, but nearly falls off. He's been running in circles in the yard. He also just let out a bunch of sneezes. I hope I didn't give him what my guys have, this has been a horrible time. I always touched him w/ gloves, tied my hair back, etc. Is my only option??I was so hoping we'd have him in during the Summer. He's about 1 /12 yrs old. We cannot bring him in, all the extra spots are quarantined and I won't be allowed and I don't own the house and I understand wanted to protect the others (who nearly died this week - needed fluids, temps over 105, and we are still closely watching our FIV/HCM boy and lupus/HCM boy. This seems too cruel. He needs me now to hold him and I can't. I assume he will go down hill quickly? I want to know he doesn't get so confused that he runs off and gets hurt or attacked by a coyote (we had our first in the yard the other day) Coming to grips with the fact that this is the first one I can't do everything for is very difficult. Shannon --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com Subject: Whimsy - twitching/jerking To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 5:57 PM My dear Whimsy, little FeLV positive boy, is still in our yard. You might recall I was trying to work on bringing him to our sunroom. He developed a terrible ringworm (99% sure) which delayed that. On the day I was to bring him in for a check up and treatment for ringworm (he used to be feral but now sits on my lap etc, but still needs sedation at vet) my indoor kitties had a terrible outbreak of calici, and we are still dealing with it. We have immune suppressed kitties inside and to protect Whimsy I had to stop touching him (even w/ my usual gloves). I know it hurt his feelings but I still visited him. He has been energectic, bouncy, hungry, fun, etc. Tonight he showed up, won't eat, is twitching, running, then laying down and twitching and jerking and chewing on his toes. He is coming up to all our windows and meowing (he never did that, he still was a bit cagey). My boyfriend figured I got the calici from him and brought it in, so I can't interact with him. I keep telling him to hang in there and we'll figure it out we just need time. But this twitching? And if he won't eat? Even if I suited up he's not a cat who can be syringe fed. I'm not used to considering 'no options'. Is this the end? :( Shannon ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Goodbye sweet Casper
I am sorry for your loss. What a sweet tribute. While he may have taken a piece of your heart, it sounds like having him in your life added to your heart, too. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 20:28:57 To: FeLV talkfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Goodbye sweet Casper I am heartbroken to say that this afternoon my sweet Casper lost his battle. He was one of the most sweet tempered cats I have ever known. He never ever bit or clawed anyone in anger, not for any reason. He used to come to bed and make bread in the middle of the night right into my stomach until I got in the habit of sleeping while holding his paws gently in my hands. He loved nothing more then to be brushed with an old blue hairbrush. In the middle of the night last night I was spending what I was pretty sure was my last few hours with him brushing him with it. He was still pushing against it with the sides of his face and purring. This morning when I left for work I told him goodbye and thanked him for coming to live with me and being such a special kitty. My mother in law sat with him today and he passed around 2:30. She told me the rest of the cats in the house came and sat in a circle around him, almost like a vigil. Orlando has slept near him for the last several days and through the night. I hope now Casper is in a place where there is no more feline leukemia and he can run free and watch the birds and chipmunks all he wants. Whenever I lose one of these sweet kitties they take a piece of my heart. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy
My one feral loses his hair sometimes then it grows back. One of my FeLV babies took months to grow her hair back where she was shaved when she was spade. I think it is just a result of the depressed immune system. Beth --Original Message-- From: Heather Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ReplyTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy Sent: Apr 16, 2010 9:56 AM This sounds similar to a lot of allergy, or flea allergy, hair loss we've seen in outdoor cats here. Even if there aren't apparent fleas, allergic reactions can be triggered by just oneand of course, it could also be seasonal type allergies. Glad he is doing well! On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.comwrote: yes, and I brought up demodex too, but they said it wasn't that. I brought my gentian violet to show the vet and she said 'why not' - she's a great dr, because she is open to new ideas. he is a survivior :) and it's an honor to care for him:) --- On Thu, 4/15/10, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 6:50 PM This sounds very good. Did the vet ever suggest demodex mite as the cause of the itching and fur loss? My vet says it's almost impossible to test for ringworm. He doesn't even test anymore. He tends to treat small patches with human fungal cream and larger patches with an oral medication. Whimsy sounds like a survivor! Thanks for taking care of him! L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy Whimsy - (the outdoor, used to be feral FeLV little boy who had a scary jerking/twitching episode a few weeks back you might recall) - had his check up and everything was normal. His bloodwork and stool came back normal too. His skin has been his only issue - he was bald on the left side, then the right, now it's down to his tail. This is the 8th week of this, and I had figured it was ringworm. He has no fleas nor mites, and the clinic didn't think it was ringworm, but of course tested him (it's ongoing, for those who aren't familiar - they put it in a jar, and see if it grows) It may have been self limiting and somehow he cleared it. Or, it could be severe allergies. He is a long hair (so hard to be an outside baby with long fur!) and matted so severely in the winter (before I could touch him) that it's also possible this is why there was hair loss. His itching is severe but the skin now is normal (used to have lesions) He hates fish oil, I was hoping he would take it to soothe the inflamation. My vet was surprised that everything was normal, since his IFA was positive, too. Or, can it be that if the immune system is just so out of whack it can't even register in the bloodwork? His heart/lungs/lymph nodes, etc are all normal too. We think he is just under 2 years old. He lost 7 ounces, but that was since the neutering in Jan, and could be normal. He's got a set up in the shed, but likes to sleep right on the patio and back door stoop; I am also showing him the sunroom, and he's slowly checking it out, so I hope he can stay in there. He's no longer terrified of ceilings, but only cautious, and is understanding that 'inside is good'. Every time I take him to the vet, he gets more loving, like he knows we are trying to help him. I guess I will take his results as good news for now, and try to be as preventative as we can. thanks for everyone's help. He's such an adorable character, with a high pitched meeew and jade green eyes. And he knows his daddy now too, and made sure he fell in love with him too (he seemed to know that was the ticket to getting 'in') Shannon ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Just checking in...Murphy and Rosie
You sound like an amazing person, Alice. How wonderful of you to have loved these babies so much. Good luck to you with your upcoming appointment I hope you are blessed with some help with your home. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:45:00 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Just checking in...Murphy and Rosie I've been off boards for a bit-This whole FeLV thing is so sad-reading all the new people's posts desperately seeking information and hope (like me a year and a half ago). Then reading as our sweet little babies lose their battle with this dreaded disease-Like the 4 sibling brothers I had. We have been lucky so far with Murphy and Rosie since starting the Imulan treatments last September (before they had any symptoms). Their bloodwork has been pretty good-both have HCT in the 35-39 range. We got behind in the blood testing and have an appt today because Murphy has developed a sneeze that appears to be allergies, but I cannot take a chance-so we will have them both checked and I may get brave and order another FeLV test-This is so hard financially-in a year and a half-we had the 6 kitties to the vets on numerous occasions-tried one transfusion that didn't help ($1500 for that alone) we are damned if we do and damned if we don't-it rips your heart out-we tried to treat this disease and have spent our savings - got behind and are fighting foreclosure...(over 7500 in vet bills in the past 1 1/2 yrs on the 6 kitties-and that's not the old dogs or horses) it's a disease of the heart-we were so heartbroken and desperate to save this feral litter-we loved them so muchand we weren't even cat people until we rescued them. Their sweet little faces and kitten antics...how could you resist?? Anyway-the last 2 appear to be well so far and we were at 8 weeks apart with the injections-have one dose each left and I've postponed giving it to stretch the dollars. So we are headed to our vet for check ups and blood work today. I just want to say bless you to all of you-this is a battle not won too often, but your support and kind words have helped so many of us! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Tommy is gone
Lisa - I'm sure Tommy was comforted by you holding him. You gave him a good life. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Lisa Borden tuckerandtes...@zoominternet.net Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:40:11 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Tommy is gone Just a note to let you know that Tommy lost his battle with FeLV on Tuesday. I still cannot believe how quickly it took over, and by Tuesday morning he was so weak and his eyes were so empty. It was like his soul had left his little body. He was extremely anemic and his liver enzymes were elevated. I do know that recently, he had ceased to be happy, and that was really bothering me. He passed away Tuesday morning in my arms as he got the medicine that helped him to an eternal sleep. I want to thank everyone for the information on this list, because even though I didn't post often I did read the list frequently. I have to believe that he had a year and a half with me that he might not have had with someone else. I will continue to pray for you and your furbabies. May something be discovered to help these kitties. Much love, Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge
Thank you Shannon. He has already sent me a new FeLV kitty named Napoleon from a friend who does rescue also. Napoleon has been living in a cage in her daughter's bedroom. They were teaching him to walk on a leash. I hope he is happy here with my other 2 FeLV kitties. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:30:55 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge Beth, Oh I am deeply sorry about sweet Dante. I have a feeling he might 'send' you someone special. Thank God you were there to care for Dante before he became an angel with a tail. Shannon --- On Wed, 6/9/10, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 6:12 PM Beth, I'm so sorry Dante passed before you could get to know each other better. I know he knows he was loved. As for being ready, I think you'll probably find that you are when you need to be. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:25 PM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge My FeLV foster kitty Dante passed over the Rainbow Bridge today. I only had him a few months, but loved him dearly. He preferred human company over kitty company, but was tolerant of the other kitties. He was a beautiful grey boy pulled from Animal Control by the rescue I work with. It will be a long time before I stop expecting to see him in his bed. He went downhill fast the last 2 weeks. The X-rays done yesterday indicated he was full of tumors. Luckily he had the lady who originally pulled him from AC to be there with him. Our group never lets animals be euthanized without someone from the shelter being there, for which I am very grateful. It looks like I will be getting a new FeLV kitty from a friend tonight. Not sure I'm ready. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads tohemolytic anemia
We are talking bout a Brown Recluse? Don't they have the violin on their back? I find them all the time will be much more careful from now on! Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:11:10 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads to hemolytic anemia I was bitten by one last November. My wound didn't become necrotic - but the swollen area was about 10 in diameter, it was tremendously painful and I have a discolored noticeable concavity in my leg at the bite site which will probably be permanent. Since that time I have suffered from constant exhaustion along with muscle spasms in the affected leg that are sometimes non-stop. So, I am always on the lookout for them. Interesting - I would love to see the research if you would kindly email it to me. --- On Sat, 7/10/10, Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads to hemolytic anemia To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 11:53 PM Dears, I keep thinking of how fast I lost Beltza, and hence I keep researching. Just to find out that is very weird*, but that the bite of a *Loxosceles reclusa* causes hemolytic anemia. *weird in adults, not that weird in children -- I would say, not that weird in our cats. I don't know if these spiders are common where you live, but please google a pic of them so you can recognize it --and kill it--- when you see one. Please don't expose your kitties to this bug. Best, Ana PS. If someone wants the original scientific papers I've read, let me know, so I can email them ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] cat litter
$10.00 !!!??? I want to live where you are! I pay about $30 for a 17 lb bag at Petsmart in Atlanta. Been buying it for a few years must say it truly is the Worlds Best! Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:50:44 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] cat litter hello everyone, just found a great new litter called World's Best Cat Litter. i found it at Tractor Supply in Troy, Mo., but they are starting to sell through PetsMart and PetCo. it comes in 3 diferent sizes. it is great, a 17 lb bag costs $10.00 and it lasts longer than clay litter. best of all, it is gound up corn so it is biodegradeable, light weight compared to clay, clumps really good (even Dee can't break up the clumps), doesn't smell and lasts longer because you can get out whole clumps and don't waste as much. i called them and they sent me a $3.00 coupon. also sent me to Smart Source.com where i got another $3.00 coupon. they started out in New York area and now are spreading across the country. i live in the country so i just made another compost pile for the cat litter. even if you are in the city and cannot have compost piles, when it gets to the landfil, it will break down and not hurt the environment. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feluk positive kitty
No need to throw anything out. I don't even wash the carriers. These myths infuriate me! Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:06:38 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Feluk positive kitty We just rescued a Feluk + kitty and are fostering him for two weeks until he is past his 14 day quarantine and goes to another foster home. My question is this, we have 28 cats (yep, that's a LOT of cats) and we will keep him in the study during this time. However, I have had several people say oh you need to throw everything away and bleach everything down when he is gone or you will transmit it to your cats and it is my understanding that the virus is fragile when outside it's living host and therefore, I would thinlk that a good cleaning and some time (i.e. a week or two) would be sufficient before letting our cats back into the study. Thoughts? We have wood floors but there is a rug, chair and cat condos in there (which can be removed, of course). Thanks, Edna (713) 882-2011 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Add my Chloe (FELV) to the Bridge list
Chloe had a good number of years lots of love with you. Bless you Chloe, Gloria. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 18:53:21 To: Feline Leukemiafelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Add my Chloe (FELV) to the Bridge list My Chloe died today - she's a gray and white FELV kitty, a lovely and sweet kitty. I got her in Sept 2005, from a lady in Oklahoma named Jennifer. Jennifer had been a vet tech, and had FELV cats, but when her baby developed serious problems and she needed to pass her specia needs cats on to someone else, and I took them. One by one they have passed on. Chloe was the last - she was 15 or 16, claws had grown out, and she was having some kidney problems. Fall is so dry, it seems to be hard on kidney cats. Chloe was a sweetie and had a soft and gentle passing. I kept covering her and trying to keep her hydrated and warm, but she said no mom, I don't want the cover on me. Sleep soft sweet Chloe. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
I use the Viralys too. It is easy to syringe give. I use for my cat with Stomatitis. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:03:49 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction HI, It might have been to much,or not mixed enough. My vet has a tube,Varalys,oral gel for cats.Each 1.25 ml contains 250mg of L-lysineHCI in a highly palatable base. I copied that from the tube.CAthy--- On Mon, 10/11/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 12:47 PM I believe that L-Lysine is available in liquid form.maybe that would work better? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food. Poor guy vomited it right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes! So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab (about 250 mg)? Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine? Ideas? Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas
I use advantage. FeLV cats are very prone to Hemobartonella, which will cause severe anemia comes from fleas. ALL my cats get Advantage every month I have never had a problem. Fleas also cause tape worms which will deprive the cat of nutrients. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Szacherdroid stacy_zac...@yahoo.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:34:49 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas Hi all...I suspect Spanky may have fleas. I found some flea dirt looking dust and a lump under his chin and also have been seeing little red bugs around but no fleas when I comb him. Some were flying so I thought, they couldn't be fleas. I also have a dog and it has been unseasonably warm here in WI this week. Please let me know how you treat an felv kitty with a weak immune system for fleas. I am terrified at the prospect of having to spray my home and treat him. He used to get one of the topicals years ago but vet didn't think that would be good for him now. We have a vet appt tomorrow for ltci injection and bloodwork. I am taking some of the sample bugs I collected for identification. Thanks for your help, Stacy and Spanky ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
Yes, it can be. Stress can also be damaging was a big reason I chose to mix. At this point my negative cats are all 9-10 yrs old have other medical issues which will probably get them way before FeLV or Vaccine sarcomas. Again, it is a personal choice which should not be made lightly. All the Info should be looked at each person has to make the choice they know they can live with. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:31:49 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone remember that. -Original Message- From: Beth Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives 5 positives who shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over the years NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats passed away. I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly reached I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were protected. I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision should be discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week, then let them mix. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not. -Original Message- From: Melinda Kerr Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me. He tested positive in January of 2008. At that time Casper was about 4 years old. I had all my positive cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of 2008. In July I took in another positive and in September still another positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem. I kept all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines. In December of 2009 Casper started sneezing quite a bit. He went through a round of antibiotics and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on meds again. Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I took him to the vet again. That was when they decided to test him for feline leukemia. He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010. I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be checked out. Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive. I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous disease. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want is
Re: [Felvtalk] What to do after they die?
So sorry about your kitty. I never do anything special. Just clean like they had a cold. I wouldn't do anything. Her tree will be fine. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Laura Svoboda lazygra...@yahoo.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:25:23 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] What to do after they die? Hello, I tried sending a post several days ago, but my membership had not gone through yet so my post was rejected. I was asking for suggestions on how to get my FLV cat, Chloe, to eat. Very sadly, she passed away early yesterday morning. I wish I had found this group earlier, but from the time she started feeling droopy to the time she passed away was just three weeks - way too fast. Anyway, can anyone tell me what I need to do, if anything, to her cat tree, cat tunnel, litter box, toys, etc. before I pass them on to another home? I have read that the virus does not live long outside of the body, but have also read that a person should wait 30 days before introducing another cat in the home - leaving me to believe that perhaps her things may still have enough of the virus on them to get other cats sick. That is the last thing I'd want. Does anyone have any suggestions? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy update (happy news)
Aww that is great news! Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:46:04 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Whimsy update (happy news) After a stressful, scary week, Whimsy, aka the Whimzinator, is back and better than ever. I knew all he wanted was to go out, so relunctantly, I took him in the yard with me for an hour in the cold, and he was thrilled. he sniffed, walked around, and then ran back in. He was satisfied, had his fill. He literally came back to life in front of my eyes. He hasn't wanted to go out since, and we don't have any plans to do so. Just to build his enclosure. It was against everything I believe is right, but I felt him telling me it was the only way he'd eat again. I really felt he would die if he didn't get to do this. The pepcid injections helped too - but right after he ran in, he ate again, after barely eating for 6 days. He's now back to where he was calorie wise, and is even more loving and cuddly... go figure... thank you everyone for your help. And thank you for the suggestions on nausea - i think he got a sour tummy from being upset, and created a big problem for himself. your suggestions made me remember i could get pepcid injections (since we can't pill him) and this was great. Shannon and the royal cat Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Xander Aloysious
It sounds like he found his miracle in you :) Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 05:54:11 To: Felvtalkfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org; feline-stomati...@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Xander Aloysious I had to let my beautiful boy Xander go last night. He has been a miracle cat since Dec. 2 when he had his bloodwork done and Dr. Jen said he should NOT have been alive. His blood cells barely existed but yet he was SO full of life still. She sent him home with me and told me to love him to pieces cause she would be amazed if he makes it another week Well he proved to be a miracle cat for 42 days. But when he stopped wanting to eat and stopped giving momma his headbutts that won me over and convinced me to adopt him 4 1/2 years ago ,I knew I had to let him go before he crashed.Very hard night but relieved he is no longer sick.I love you my beautiful boy... Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
My FIV cat lived on and off for 10 years with FeLV cats never got it. Of coarse he was vaccinated. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:18:40 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated. Matter of fact, I have an FIV + cat living with me that hasn't contracted the FeLV. I'm not quite sure how that has happened because he should have gotten it right away. I'm going to have him tested a couple more times over the next few months to be sure. Maybe FeLV isn't as contagious as they say. I'm still shaking my head on that one. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:26:53 -0700 From: jgonza...@pacbell.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated. I realize now that I did not address the concern you posted about. I felt the need to educate you about the testing protocol for FELV because I would hate to see you cage a cat for 3 months that may not even be infected with the virus. You cannot consider a cat persistently viremic until they test positive on the IFA test. If it turns out the cat you rescued is really FELV positive, she is not going to transmit the virus to your other cats through some chance encounter. It would take prolonged contact with your other cats to infect them with the virus. Even if they had prolonged contact, it does not mean your other cats would get the virus. Some cats are able to build an immune response and fight off the virus. I rescued a cat over the summer that tested positive on the combo snap test and the ELISA test but tested negative on the IFA. Thirty days later, he tested negative on the snap test, the ELISA test and continued to test negative on the IFA test. As a precaution, we tested again 30 days later, and he continued to test negative on all three tests. His body built an immune defense and fought off the virus --- On Mon, 3/14/11, Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated. To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 1:50 PM Hello, I rescued a stray two weeks ago. Took her to the vet a week ago and they said she was FELV positive. She was starving when I found her, but she has gained weight and is looking good. Her eyes just glisten and she seems healthy. The vet said she was about a year old. She only weighed six pounds last week. I did not have the heart to euthanize her when she is not suffering. However, I have three healthy cats upstairs and I live in constant fear that they will escape to the basement where this cat we now call Amber is staying. I keep her in a nice cage during most of the time and let her out to get her exercise in the basement about four hours per day. My husband is building her a 8' long x 4' wide x 6' tall cage so she will have more room I do hate keeping her caged up, but don't have a choice. She is very sweet and it is just a sad situation. I tried to find a home for her but no one seems to want a cat with her issues. We are trying to be very cautious regarding the other cats, but it is does make me fearful. I plan to have her rested in three months. I am so new to this situation, so any comments or ideas are much appreciated. Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] How long can FeLV stay dormant?
It should show up in 3 month but I don't feel safe until it's been 6 months. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:27:11 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] How long can FeLV stay dormant? So you think FeLV would show up by 3 months after the first combo test? I'm just wondering what the maximum amount of time it can take to show up on a test once they've been exposed to FeLV. Someone recently said it can take up to a year before the test would indicate that the cat is positive. I wonder if that is true. Yeah, I've have heard that a cat with no symptoms could be a carrier of FeLV. FIV is harder to spread than FeLV according to everything I've read. It can only be spread by a deep bite wound. The saliva carrying the FIV virus has to go directly into the bloodstream. It cannot be spread by mutual grooming or sharing food bowls. So if the cat isn't a biter then there is no danger of him spreading FIV to other cats in the household. That's why I've never separated my FIV cat from the others. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:02:07 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] How long can FeLV stay dormant? Ideally, when a cat is tested for anything, FIV/FeLV, it should be isolated for three months and retested. However, rescue groups cannot do it because of space limitations, especially isolation areas. When a cat tests negative, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's true - the cat may just have been exposed to it, and it would show up 3 months later I've never had a FIV cat living with healthy ones, nor can I do it as a rescue organization. However, we had one cat that tested negative for FIV/FeLV, and many years later, started being illmy vet asked for some blood test at the lab, but they mistakenly tested for FIV - it turned out that she was positive. No one living with her ever became sick, to this day. She died about two years later at age 14/15. However, FIV is not as serious as FeLV, which seems increasingly more mysterious to me after having been reading all the posts about FeLV+ cats living with healthy ones. The two FeLV+ cats we have, are very healthy, exhibit absolutely no signs of any symptoms. I'm not sure what exactly it means when someone says that a FeLV cat with no symptoms could be a carrier; it can't be that the cat is perfectly healthy and can't mean that at some point, will not become symptomatic, does it? I do everything I can to keep them very healthy with supplements, good food, TLC, etc. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] How long can FeLV stay dormant? I've heard from some of the vets that FeLV can hide in the bone marrow for a while before ever showing up on a combo test. How long do you think that can happen before the combo tests shows positive? Anyone have experience with this? If the FeLV + cat and the other cat have been living together for a year and the healthy cat's combo test was negative after a year together with lots of exposure, is there a chance it is still hiding in the healthy cat's bone marrow and not showing up yet? It seems to me that a year would be enough time for the virus to show up in a test. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] facebook or twitter?
I block most of mine too. Just not enough hours in the day to read it all. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: POTT, BEVERLY p...@mailbox.sc.edu Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:47:45 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] facebook or twitter? I block most of mine. ;-) That way, I only get the ones I WANT to see. From: Beth [mailto:create_me_...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thu 3/17/2011 9:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] facebook or twitter? Personally I am already drowning in Facebook posts. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
I have ferals the birds seem smart enough to stay out of my yard. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:56:46 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors Yes, the number one cause of bird extinction is habitat loss, but cats are #2. There's a well-known study that was conducted on a couple of adjacent beaches in California, one with a feral cat population and one without. The beach that is home to feral cats has no birds - remember that most shorebirds are ground nesters - while the cat-free beach supports a healthy bird population. Of course, our birds have natural predators - some raptors such as red-tailed hawks prey mostly on birds. Kingsnakes and rat snakes are known for feasting on eggs and hatchlings. But this is natural predation so things are kept in balance. Throw in a highly efficient predator such as a cat and the balance changes. --- On Tue, 3/22/11, SomeWhere Sam sin...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: SomeWhere Sam sin...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 4:36 PM Sorry but that information is outdated or biased. The number one killer of birds is humans due to habitat loss or construction for same. Humans: The Number One Threat to Birds http://www.alleycat.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=325 SomeWhere Sam From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, March 22, 2011 2:37:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors In the newspaper today: House cats are the #1 predator of wild birds. The American Bird Conservancy estimates up to 500 million birds per year are killed by cats. About 400,000 are killed yearly by wind turbines (less than 20% of the number killed by cats). So now we have another reason to keep our cats indoors -- not only for their own health and safety, but for that of our BIRD population! Save the cats and the birds: Keep Your Cat Indoors! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Yet another question.....
My Bubba was about 5 when he died. He didn't have any problems until the last year of his life. Then we battled periodic high fevers stomatitis. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:56:46 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Yet another question. And I also wonder about adult cats that are FeLV+, and perfectly healthy. I've never had adults with no symptoms, only a kitten that died years ago. Eliot Spitty is about 5 yrs old, and Mr. Tux about 6 yrs old. I wonder how that will work out in the coming years - they get supplements, good food, etc. Has anyone had that experience, and how long did it take, if at all, before the cats started getting symptoms or related cancers? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 4:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Yet another question. One thought process that I've run into is that a healthy adult cat (FELV negative) has a hearty enough immune system to successfully deal with the FELV virus without acquiring it. I can't see that vaccinating them at this point would be of value. Just my 2c Gloria From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com Date: March 21, 2011 12:07:44 PM CDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Yet another question. Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I've mentioned my kitty Two Face earlier because she died two weeks ago and when they did the necropsy they found out she had a huge tumor and was FeLV +. Since then I've had a few of my other kitties tested with the combo/snap test at the vet's office. All have come out negative so far, thank the Lord for that. These other kitties that have tested negative lived with Two Face for over a year. Sharing litterboxes, food bowls and all that stuff. I would think that would mean that they had enough exposure to the virus to get it in their system and that they either extinguished the virus or put it into a dormant status. Is that a reasonable assumption? My main question now is should I give them a FeLV vaccination. If they did get the virus in their system and extinguished it then they're immune for life, right? If so, there's no need for a vaccination. Is it possible with all that exposure that they didn't get enough of the virus into their system to do any harm? If that's the case then I should vaccinate them? I just don't know how they could not have gotten enough exposure since they lived together and shared everything for over a year. Thoughts? I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
