Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
I am NOT talking about THAT salve at all! If anyone would like to know about the one that I am writing about, please contact me privately. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of designercats Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 7:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage The cancer cells that are killed have to be processed through the liver. Neoplasene (black salve) is highly effective but caution must be used. Stacy, if you're considering using it please join that forum. Everyone on there uses it and would be of great help.El Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:38:59 -0500 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage That is NOT the black salve that I'm was referring to - harms nothing other than cancerous cells. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of designercats Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 6:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Hi Stacy,I have used Neoplasene and would never use it on a symptomatic FeLV cat. It is also very hard on the liver as the liver has to process all the toxins. A very informative group where you can get info is - http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheBlackSalveNeoplaseneCancerForum/?yguid =323115008 El Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:21:16 -0800 From: stacy_zac...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Hi Natalie: Thank you for the suggestion. My vet actually told me about the black salve (neoplasene from buck mountain I believe) but his cytology report came back sort of inconclusive and consistent with feline eosinophilic granuloma complex). So I'm not sure if those remedies/treatments would help him if they aren't cancerous. I told my vet I had been willing to try the neoplasene if it was cancer. So I will have to see what the dermatologist says. In the meantime, I'll keep trying him with the salmon oil, transfer factor tri factor plus, interferon, lysine, coq10 etc. that he's on. He is due for an LTCI injection on Saturday also. I am starting to give him fluids once a week also. His skin is so tough though - very hard to get through! Thanks to you and everyone for your help. We are so happy to have a forum like this. Stacy and Spanky Message: 10 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 10:21:43 -0400 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Message-ID: 1cea01cb7dbd$efae4e60$cf0aeb...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This herbal concoction (Chaparral, Neem, Andrographis,Graviola powders brewed like tea and frozen down into a more concentrated tincture) is perfectly good for cats - I used it for a cat with cancer and it is being used on rabbits, dogs, horses so far and originally actually meant for people (still is). There's also a black salve that is used on external cancerous tumors, attacks ONLY cancer cells - doesn't touch normal cells. Being used right now on a cat that had squamous cell cancer on the cheek and jawbone. Unfortunately, it was too late for the cat I used it on because the adopters didn't get him to me in time - they thought he was getting fat (although he was skin and bones, with a huge stomach, which was cancer). However, his remaining time was great quality of life! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I have seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Stacey and Spanky, Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't been tried for that yet. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
Hi Stacy, One of my negative cats has EGC on his belly. He gets raised, red plaques and licks constantly. I had no luck with topical creams, fish oil, or allergy shots. We had him on prednisolone to control it for quite a while, because it worked and it was what we could afford. Unfortunately, it also thinned his bones and he broke his leg last summer. All better now, but all told, the steroid was not so cheap. His brother has food allergies and is on Cyclosporine to control them. It was $90.00 bucks a month for his meds, but our vet found a cheaper supplier ($43.00/month) so we were able to start giving it to our EGC boy as well. It has worked even better for him than for the food allergy boy. He gets a 25mg pill 5-6 days a week, hoping to be able to cut him down to every other day eventually. It is an immune suppressant, so they are not getting vaccinations while on it. Not as big of an issue here as we no longer have any FeLV+ in our group. Kidney function does need to be monitered while they are on it. My vet was more paranoid about this in the beginning, did CBC's before starting it, another a month later, and then one every six months. As it's been used on more cats she's become more confident in its safety and now they will just get a yearly CBC, unless they show any signs of urinary issues. Best of luck, Beth On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: This week I noticed Spanky's nasal passage looked swollen and red. At first I thought it was bleeding. It seemed that it just happened overnight! I took Spanky to the vet on Wed morning and she said it looks like he now has an the eosinophilic granuloma in his nose and it is swollen and half blocking the nasal passage. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
Hi Natalie, Could this tonic work on a cancerous behavior of Felv or just tumors? Peggy 2010/11/6 Natalie at...@optonline.net This herbal concoction (Chaparral, Neem, Andrographis,Graviola powders brewed like tea and frozen down into a more concentrated tincture) is perfectly good for cats - I used it for a cat with cancer and it is being used on rabbits, dogs, horses so far and originally actually meant for people (still is). There's also a black salve that is used on external cancerous tumors, attacks ONLY cancer cells - doesn't touch normal cells. Being used right now on a cat that had squamous cell cancer on the cheek and jawbone. Unfortunately, it was too late for the cat I used it on because the adopters didn't get him to me in time - they thought he was getting fat (although he was skin and bones, with a huge stomach, which was cancer). However, his remaining time was great quality of life! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I have seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Stacey and Spanky, Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't been tried for that yet. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage One of my cats has this on his hind legs. I refused to give him steroids and instead opted for an alternative which is fish oil daily. My cat is fine as long as he gets it daily. I give him Feline Welactin twist caps. Of course not all animals react the same but its worth trying. It took a week or so before I started to see any improvement in my Oscar. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
Hi: I have been giving him unscented salmon oil daily to see if it helps. I am trying to get him into a dermatologist at the ER vet clinic. I have to wait for them to call me back tomorrow. My vet said I should see what they say and then we have to treat him with the steroids or whatever the recommendation is. I don't want to give the steroids - only as a last resort. I will look into the welactin also - I saw it has vit. e as well. Thanks for everyone's help. Stacy Message: 1 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 18:28:27 + From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Message-ID: bay144-ds10aadff54e2fc94f8b06a2c0...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 One of my cats has this on his hind legs. I refused to give him steroids and instead opted for an alternative which is fish oil daily. My cat is fine as long as he gets it daily. I give him Feline Welactin twist caps. Of course not all animals react the same but its worth trying. It took a week or so before I started to see any improvement in my Oscar. -Original Message- From: Stacy Zacher Sent: 11/5/2010 3:59:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage This week I noticed Spanky's nasal passage looked swollen and red. At first I thought it was bleeding. It seemed that it just happened overnight! I took Spanky to the vet on Wed morning and she said it looks like he now has an the eosinophilic granuloma in his nose and it is swollen and half blocking the nasal passage. He has this also between his eyes and in his whiskers so it is migrating to other parts of his face. It started out as a white dot, then as his immune system became more depressed it turned into the granulomas and they keep getting larger. I started him on a topical steroid 3x a day. The cream they gave me to put on the granulomas is called tritop (neomycin sulfate isoflupredone acetate, tetracaine hydrochloride ointment.) However, I'm not sure how long we can wait to see if it works - next steps would be the steroid injection which will be dangerous for him given his lack of an immune system. Not sure if pred pill form should be tried first. I can't have his breathing blocked and do nothing. At this point he can breathe and is eating/drinking. I started him on cyproheptadine for his appetite. He's lost about 1.5 lbs since May and keeps steadily losing though he is eating. Spanky's last blood results were better or the same as before. He's FELV pos and was anemic. I have been giving him Pet-tinic 2x per day and it was able to raise his HCT to 32%. I know there is a risk if I have to give him the oral steroids ultimately on his already non-existent immune system but I have to do something as they can turn into cancer. If anyone gives oral steroids or if your kitty has had these granulomas I'd like to hear how your kitties handle it. Spanky's WBC was only 2400 last test (low of 996). It is all such a delicate balance/juggling act with the FELV/anemia/ beginning of CRF/etc. The standard treatment for the granulomas is steroids (usually the depo steroid injection). I'm just looking for any advice or recommendations - do I see a dermatologist or risk surgery (laser surgery to remove these if I can find a laser surgeon in my area)? Sorry for rambling but I'm so upset that this has to be inside his nose now! Cindi on the anemia list gave me some good links I will send to my vet as well. http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AC=189A=656S=2 http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2002PID=2544 http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2003PID=6694O=Generic Thanks. Stacy and Spanky ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
Hi Natalie: Thank you for the suggestion. My vet actually told me about the black salve (neoplasene from buck mountain I believe) but his cytology report came back sort of inconclusive and consistent with feline eosinophilic granuloma complex). So I'm not sure if those remedies/treatments would help him if they aren't cancerous. I told my vet I had been willing to try the neoplasene if it was cancer. So I will have to see what the dermatologist says. In the meantime, I'll keep trying him with the salmon oil, transfer factor tri factor plus, interferon, lysine, coq10 etc. that he's on. He is due for an LTCI injection on Saturday also. I am starting to give him fluids once a week also. His skin is so tough though - very hard to get through! Thanks to you and everyone for your help. We are so happy to have a forum like this. Stacy and Spanky Message: 10 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 10:21:43 -0400 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Message-ID: 1cea01cb7dbd$efae4e60$cf0aeb...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This herbal concoction (Chaparral, Neem, Andrographis,Graviola powders brewed like tea and frozen down into a more concentrated tincture) is perfectly good for cats - I used it for a cat with cancer and it is being used on rabbits, dogs, horses so far and originally actually meant for people (still is). There's also a black salve that is used on external cancerous tumors, attacks ONLY cancer cells - doesn't touch normal cells. Being used right now on a cat that had squamous cell cancer on the cheek and jawbone. Unfortunately, it was too late for the cat I used it on because the adopters didn't get him to me in time - they thought he was getting fat (although he was skin and bones, with a huge stomach, which was cancer). However, his remaining time was great quality of life! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I have seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Stacey and Spanky, Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't been tried for that yet. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
We don't know - but since Graviola has always been such a well-known anticancer herb, and FeLV could be considered a form of cancer, I suppose, I don't see why it shouldn't. I am going to try it on my two FeLV asymptomatic cats starting in the new year. The salve works on external tumors/skin cancers, or if they are not external, a path to them can be created by a veterinarian, and the tonic is for backup and internal cancers. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Peggy Verdonck Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 10:40 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Hi Natalie, Could this tonic work on a cancerous behavior of Felv or just tumors? Peggy 2010/11/6 Natalie at...@optonline.net This herbal concoction (Chaparral, Neem, Andrographis,Graviola powders brewed like tea and frozen down into a more concentrated tincture) is perfectly good for cats - I used it for a cat with cancer and it is being used on rabbits, dogs, horses so far and originally actually meant for people (still is). There's also a black salve that is used on external cancerous tumors, attacks ONLY cancer cells - doesn't touch normal cells. Being used right now on a cat that had squamous cell cancer on the cheek and jawbone. Unfortunately, it was too late for the cat I used it on because the adopters didn't get him to me in time - they thought he was getting fat (although he was skin and bones, with a huge stomach, which was cancer). However, his remaining time was great quality of life! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I have seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Stacey and Spanky, Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't been tried for that yet. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage One of my cats has this on his hind legs. I refused to give him steroids and instead opted for an alternative which is fish oil daily. My cat is fine as long as he gets it daily. I give him Feline Welactin twist caps. Of course not all animals react the same but its worth trying. It took a week or so before I started to see any improvement in my Oscar. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
The tonic works not only on cancer - it's great for overall health! The black salve would still be a good thing to try, it won't attack any other cells! But I'm not sure about the one you mention, there are so many copies out thereand expensive, too! For tough skin, try a much thinner needle...I have all sizes at home depending on cats' skin toughness. It may take a little longer, but goes in easier than a thick one. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Stacy Zacher Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Hi Natalie: Thank you for the suggestion. My vet actually told me about the black salve (neoplasene from buck mountain I believe) but his cytology report came back sort of inconclusive and consistent with feline eosinophilic granuloma complex). So I'm not sure if those remedies/treatments would help him if they aren't cancerous. I told my vet I had been willing to try the neoplasene if it was cancer. So I will have to see what the dermatologist says. In the meantime, I'll keep trying him with the salmon oil, transfer factor tri factor plus, interferon, lysine, coq10 etc. that he's on. He is due for an LTCI injection on Saturday also. I am starting to give him fluids once a week also. His skin is so tough though - very hard to get through! Thanks to you and everyone for your help. We are so happy to have a forum like this. Stacy and Spanky Message: 10 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 10:21:43 -0400 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Message-ID: 1cea01cb7dbd$efae4e60$cf0aeb...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This herbal concoction (Chaparral, Neem, Andrographis,Graviola powders brewed like tea and frozen down into a more concentrated tincture) is perfectly good for cats - I used it for a cat with cancer and it is being used on rabbits, dogs, horses so far and originally actually meant for people (still is). There's also a black salve that is used on external cancerous tumors, attacks ONLY cancer cells - doesn't touch normal cells. Being used right now on a cat that had squamous cell cancer on the cheek and jawbone. Unfortunately, it was too late for the cat I used it on because the adopters didn't get him to me in time - they thought he was getting fat (although he was skin and bones, with a huge stomach, which was cancer). However, his remaining time was great quality of life! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I have seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Stacey and Spanky, Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't been tried for that yet. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
Just remember too those depo shots can cause diabetes. My can Tabby got diabetes after getting one depo shot for an asthma attack. -Original Message- From: Stacy Zacher Sent: 11/7/2010 4:11:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Hi: I have been giving him unscented salmon oil daily to see if it helps. I am trying to get him into a dermatologist at the ER vet clinic. I have to wait for them to call me back tomorrow. My vet said I should see what they say and then we have to treat him with the steroids or whatever the recommendation is. I don't want to give the steroids - only as a last resort. I will look into the welactin also - I saw it has vit. e as well. Thanks for everyone's help. Stacy Message: 1 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 18:28:27 + From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Message-ID: bay144-ds10aadff54e2fc94f8b06a2c0...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 One of my cats has this on his hind legs. I refused to give him steroids and instead opted for an alternative which is fish oil daily. My cat is fine as long as he gets it daily. I give him Feline Welactin twist caps. Of course not all animals react the same but its worth trying. It took a week or so before I started to see any improvement in my Oscar. -Original Message- From: Stacy Zacher Sent: 11/5/2010 3:59:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage This week I noticed Spanky's nasal passage looked swollen and red. At first I thought it was bleeding. It seemed that it just happened overnight! I took Spanky to the vet on Wed morning and she said it looks like he now has an the eosinophilic granuloma in his nose and it is swollen and half blocking the nasal passage. He has this also between his eyes and in his whiskers so it is migrating to other parts of his face. It started out as a white dot, then as his immune system became more depressed it turned into the granulomas and they keep getting larger. I started him on a topical steroid 3x a day. The cream they gave me to put on the granulomas is called tritop (neomycin sulfate isoflupredone acetate, tetracaine hydrochloride ointment.) However, I'm not sure how long we can wait to see if it works - next steps would be the steroid injection which will be dangerous for him given his lack of an immune system. Not sure if pred pill form should be tried first. I can't have his breathing blocked and do nothing. At this point he can breathe and is eating/drinking. I started him on cyproheptadine for his appetite. He's lost about 1.5 lbs since May and keeps steadily losing though he is eating. Spanky's last blood results were better or the same as before. He's FELV pos and was anemic. I have been giving him Pet-tinic 2x per day and it was able to raise his HCT to 32%. I know there is a risk if I have to give him the oral steroids ultimately on his already non-existent immune system but I have to do something as they can turn into cancer. If anyone gives oral steroids or if your kitty has had these granulomas I'd like to hear how your kitties handle it. Spanky's WBC was only 2400 last test (low of 996). It is all such a delicate balance/juggling act with the FELV/anemia/ beginning of CRF/etc. The standard treatment for the granulomas is steroids (usually the depo steroid injection). I'm just looking for any advice or recommendations - do I see a dermatologist or risk surgery (laser surgery to remove these if I can find a laser surgeon in my area)? Sorry for rambling but I'm so upset that this has to be inside his nose now! Cindi on the anemia list gave me some good links I will send to my vet as well. http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AC=189A=656S=2 http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2002PID=2544 http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2003PID=6694O=Generic Thanks. Stacy and Spanky ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
Hi Stacy,I have used Neoplasene and would never use it on a symptomatic FeLV cat. It is also very hard on the liver as the liver has to process all the toxins. A very informative group where you can get info is - http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheBlackSalveNeoplaseneCancerForum/?yguid=323115008 El Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:21:16 -0800 From: stacy_zac...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Hi Natalie: Thank you for the suggestion. My vet actually told me about the black salve (neoplasene from buck mountain I believe) but his cytology report came back sort of inconclusive and consistent with feline eosinophilic granuloma complex). So I'm not sure if those remedies/treatments would help him if they aren't cancerous. I told my vet I had been willing to try the neoplasene if it was cancer. So I will have to see what the dermatologist says. In the meantime, I'll keep trying him with the salmon oil, transfer factor tri factor plus, interferon, lysine, coq10 etc. that he's on. He is due for an LTCI injection on Saturday also. I am starting to give him fluids once a week also. His skin is so tough though - very hard to get through! Thanks to you and everyone for your help. We are so happy to have a forum like this. Stacy and Spanky Message: 10 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 10:21:43 -0400 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Message-ID: 1cea01cb7dbd$efae4e60$cf0aeb...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This herbal concoction (Chaparral, Neem, Andrographis,Graviola powders brewed like tea and frozen down into a more concentrated tincture) is perfectly good for cats - I used it for a cat with cancer and it is being used on rabbits, dogs, horses so far and originally actually meant for people (still is). There's also a black salve that is used on external cancerous tumors, attacks ONLY cancer cells - doesn't touch normal cells. Being used right now on a cat that had squamous cell cancer on the cheek and jawbone. Unfortunately, it was too late for the cat I used it on because the adopters didn't get him to me in time - they thought he was getting fat (although he was skin and bones, with a huge stomach, which was cancer). However, his remaining time was great quality of life! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I have seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Stacey and Spanky, Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't been tried for that yet. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
That is NOT the black salve that I'm was referring to - harms nothing other than cancerous cells. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of designercats Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 6:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Hi Stacy,I have used Neoplasene and would never use it on a symptomatic FeLV cat. It is also very hard on the liver as the liver has to process all the toxins. A very informative group where you can get info is - http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheBlackSalveNeoplaseneCancerForum/?yguid =323115008 El Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:21:16 -0800 From: stacy_zac...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Hi Natalie: Thank you for the suggestion. My vet actually told me about the black salve (neoplasene from buck mountain I believe) but his cytology report came back sort of inconclusive and consistent with feline eosinophilic granuloma complex). So I'm not sure if those remedies/treatments would help him if they aren't cancerous. I told my vet I had been willing to try the neoplasene if it was cancer. So I will have to see what the dermatologist says. In the meantime, I'll keep trying him with the salmon oil, transfer factor tri factor plus, interferon, lysine, coq10 etc. that he's on. He is due for an LTCI injection on Saturday also. I am starting to give him fluids once a week also. His skin is so tough though - very hard to get through! Thanks to you and everyone for your help. We are so happy to have a forum like this. Stacy and Spanky Message: 10 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 10:21:43 -0400 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Message-ID: 1cea01cb7dbd$efae4e60$cf0aeb...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This herbal concoction (Chaparral, Neem, Andrographis,Graviola powders brewed like tea and frozen down into a more concentrated tincture) is perfectly good for cats - I used it for a cat with cancer and it is being used on rabbits, dogs, horses so far and originally actually meant for people (still is). There's also a black salve that is used on external cancerous tumors, attacks ONLY cancer cells - doesn't touch normal cells. Being used right now on a cat that had squamous cell cancer on the cheek and jawbone. Unfortunately, it was too late for the cat I used it on because the adopters didn't get him to me in time - they thought he was getting fat (although he was skin and bones, with a huge stomach, which was cancer). However, his remaining time was great quality of life! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I have seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Stacey and Spanky, Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't been tried for that yet. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
The cancer cells that are killed have to be processed through the liver. Neoplasene (black salve) is highly effective but caution must be used. Stacy, if you're considering using it please join that forum. Everyone on there uses it and would be of great help.El Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:38:59 -0500 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage That is NOT the black salve that I'm was referring to - harms nothing other than cancerous cells. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of designercats Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 6:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Hi Stacy,I have used Neoplasene and would never use it on a symptomatic FeLV cat. It is also very hard on the liver as the liver has to process all the toxins. A very informative group where you can get info is - http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheBlackSalveNeoplaseneCancerForum/?yguid =323115008 El Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:21:16 -0800 From: stacy_zac...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Hi Natalie: Thank you for the suggestion. My vet actually told me about the black salve (neoplasene from buck mountain I believe) but his cytology report came back sort of inconclusive and consistent with feline eosinophilic granuloma complex). So I'm not sure if those remedies/treatments would help him if they aren't cancerous. I told my vet I had been willing to try the neoplasene if it was cancer. So I will have to see what the dermatologist says. In the meantime, I'll keep trying him with the salmon oil, transfer factor tri factor plus, interferon, lysine, coq10 etc. that he's on. He is due for an LTCI injection on Saturday also. I am starting to give him fluids once a week also. His skin is so tough though - very hard to get through! Thanks to you and everyone for your help. We are so happy to have a forum like this. Stacy and Spanky Message: 10 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 10:21:43 -0400 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Message-ID: 1cea01cb7dbd$efae4e60$cf0aeb...@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This herbal concoction (Chaparral, Neem, Andrographis,Graviola powders brewed like tea and frozen down into a more concentrated tincture) is perfectly good for cats - I used it for a cat with cancer and it is being used on rabbits, dogs, horses so far and originally actually meant for people (still is). There's also a black salve that is used on external cancerous tumors, attacks ONLY cancer cells - doesn't touch normal cells. Being used right now on a cat that had squamous cell cancer on the cheek and jawbone. Unfortunately, it was too late for the cat I used it on because the adopters didn't get him to me in time - they thought he was getting fat (although he was skin and bones, with a huge stomach, which was cancer). However, his remaining time was great quality of life! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I have seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Stacey and Spanky, Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't been tried for that yet. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
This herbal concoction (Chaparral, Neem, Andrographis,Graviola powders brewed like tea and frozen down into a more concentrated tincture) is perfectly good for cats - I used it for a cat with cancer and it is being used on rabbits, dogs, horses so far and originally actually meant for people (still is). There's also a black salve that is used on external cancerous tumors, attacks ONLY cancer cells - doesn't touch normal cells. Being used right now on a cat that had squamous cell cancer on the cheek and jawbone. Unfortunately, it was too late for the cat I used it on because the adopters didn't get him to me in time - they thought he was getting fat (although he was skin and bones, with a huge stomach, which was cancer). However, his remaining time was great quality of life! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I have seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Stacey and Spanky, Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't been tried for that yet. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage One of my cats has this on his hind legs. I refused to give him steroids and instead opted for an alternative which is fish oil daily. My cat is fine as long as he gets it daily. I give him Feline Welactin twist caps. Of course not all animals react the same but its worth trying. It took a week or so before I started to see any improvement in my Oscar. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
This week I noticed Spanky's nasal passage looked swollen and red. At first I thought it was bleeding. It seemed that it just happened overnight! I took Spanky to the vet on Wed morning and she said it looks like he now has an the eosinophilic granuloma in his nose and it is swollen and half blocking the nasal passage. He has this also between his eyes and in his whiskers so it is migrating to other parts of his face. It started out as a white dot, then as his immune system became more depressed it turned into the granulomas and they keep getting larger. I started him on a topical steroid 3x a day. The cream they gave me to put on the granulomas is called tritop (neomycin sulfate isoflupredone acetate, tetracaine hydrochloride ointment.) However, I'm not sure how long we can wait to see if it works - next steps would be the steroid injection which will be dangerous for him given his lack of an immune system. Not sure if pred pill form should be tried first. I can't have his breathing blocked and do nothing. At this point he can breathe and is eating/drinking. I started him on cyproheptadine for his appetite. He's lost about 1.5 lbs since May and keeps steadily losing though he is eating. Spanky's last blood results were better or the same as before. He's FELV pos and was anemic. I have been giving him Pet-tinic 2x per day and it was able to raise his HCT to 32%. I know there is a risk if I have to give him the oral steroids ultimately on his already non-existent immune system but I have to do something as they can turn into cancer. If anyone gives oral steroids or if your kitty has had these granulomas I'd like to hear how your kitties handle it. Spanky's WBC was only 2400 last test (low of 996). It is all such a delicate balance/juggling act with the FELV/anemia/ beginning of CRF/etc. The standard treatment for the granulomas is steroids (usually the depo steroid injection). I'm just looking for any advice or recommendations - do I see a dermatologist or risk surgery (laser surgery to remove these if I can find a laser surgeon in my area)? Sorry for rambling but I'm so upset that this has to be inside his nose now! Cindi on the anemia list gave me some good links I will send to my vet as well. http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AC=189A=656S=2 http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2002PID=2544 http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2003PID=6694O=Generic Thanks. Stacy and Spanky ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
One of my cats has this on his hind legs. I refused to give him steroids and instead opted for an alternative which is fish oil daily. My cat is fine as long as he gets it daily. I give him Feline Welactin twist caps. Of course not all animals react the same but its worth trying. It took a week or so before I started to see any improvement in my Oscar. -Original Message- From: Stacy Zacher Sent: 11/5/2010 3:59:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage This week I noticed Spanky's nasal passage looked swollen and red. At first I thought it was bleeding. It seemed that it just happened overnight! I took Spanky to the vet on Wed morning and she said it looks like he now has an the eosinophilic granuloma in his nose and it is swollen and half blocking the nasal passage. He has this also between his eyes and in his whiskers so it is migrating to other parts of his face. It started out as a white dot, then as his immune system became more depressed it turned into the granulomas and they keep getting larger. I started him on a topical steroid 3x a day. The cream they gave me to put on the granulomas is called tritop (neomycin sulfate isoflupredone acetate, tetracaine hydrochloride ointment.) However, I'm not sure how long we can wait to see if it works - next steps would be the steroid injection which will be dangerous for him given his lack of an immune system. Not sure if pred pill form should be tried first. I can't have his breathing blocked and do nothing. At this point he can breathe and is eating/drinking. I started him on cyproheptadine for his appetite. He's lost about 1.5 lbs since May and keeps steadily losing though he is eating. Spanky's last blood results were better or the same as before. He's FELV pos and was anemic. I have been giving him Pet-tinic 2x per day and it was able to raise his HCT to 32%. I know there is a risk if I have to give him the oral steroids ultimately on his already non-existent immune system but I have to do something as they can turn into cancer. If anyone gives oral steroids or if your kitty has had these granulomas I'd like to hear how your kitties handle it. Spanky's WBC was only 2400 last test (low of 996). It is all such a delicate balance/juggling act with the FELV/anemia/ beginning of CRF/etc. The standard treatment for the granulomas is steroids (usually the depo steroid injection). I'm just looking for any advice or recommendations - do I see a dermatologist or risk surgery (laser surgery to remove these if I can find a laser surgeon in my area)? Sorry for rambling but I'm so upset that this has to be inside his nose now! Cindi on the anemia list gave me some good links I will send to my vet as well. http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AC=189A=656S=2 http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2002PID=2544 http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2003PID=6694O=Generic Thanks. Stacy and Spanky ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
Stacey and Spanky, Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't been tried for that yet. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage One of my cats has this on his hind legs. I refused to give him steroids and instead opted for an alternative which is fish oil daily. My cat is fine as long as he gets it daily. I give him Feline Welactin twist caps. Of course not all animals react the same but its worth trying. It took a week or so before I started to see any improvement in my Oscar. -Original Message- From: Stacy Zacher Sent: 11/5/2010 3:59:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage This week I noticed Spanky's nasal passage looked swollen and red. At first I thought it was bleeding. It seemed that it just happened overnight! I took Spanky to the vet on Wed morning and she said it looks like he now has an the eosinophilic granuloma in his nose and it is swollen and half blocking the nasal passage. He has this also between his eyes and in his whiskers so it is migrating to other parts of his face. It started out as a white dot, then as his immune system became more depressed it turned into the granulomas and they keep getting larger. I started him on a topical steroid 3x a day. The cream they gave me to put on the granulomas is called tritop (neomycin sulfate isoflupredone acetate, tetracaine hydrochloride ointment.) However, I'm not sure how long we can wait to see if it works - next steps would be the steroid injection which will be dangerous for him given his lack of an immune system. Not sure if pred pill form should be tried first. I can't have his breathing blocked and do nothing. At this point he can breathe and is eating/drinking. I started him on cyproheptadine for his appetite. He's lost about 1.5 lbs since May and keeps steadily losing though he is eating. Spanky's last blood results were better or the same as before. He's FELV pos and was anemic. I have been giving him Pet-tinic 2x per day and it was able to raise his HCT to 32%. I know there is a risk if I have to give him the oral steroids ultimately on his already non-existent immune system but I have to do something as they can turn into cancer. If anyone gives oral steroids or if your kitty has had these granulomas I'd like to hear how your kitties handle it. Spanky's WBC was only 2400 last test (low of 996). It is all such a delicate balance/juggling act with the FELV/anemia/ beginning of CRF/etc. The standard treatment for the granulomas is steroids (usually the depo steroid injection). I'm just looking for any advice or recommendations - do I see a dermatologist or risk surgery (laser surgery to remove these if I can find a laser surgeon in my area)? Sorry for rambling but I'm so upset that this has to be inside his nose now! Cindi on the anemia list gave me some good links I will send to my vet as well. http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AC=189A=656S=2 http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2002PID=2544 http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2003PID=6694O=Gene ric Thanks. Stacy and Spanky ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
Just please anyone that uses herbs make sure they are truly cat safe and don't interact with any other medicines the animal may be on already. I have seen some people recommend herbs for pets that are actually toxic. I'm not saying you do this Natalie, just speaking in general. Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 17:52:00 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage Stacey and Spanky, Would you be open to try a tonic made from herbs that doesn't taste great, but can be disguised. It is used for curing cancer, but may just help with this and as a fringe benefit, even help other symptoms of FeLV - it hasn't been tried for that yet. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 2:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage One of my cats has this on his hind legs. I refused to give him steroids and instead opted for an alternative which is fish oil daily. My cat is fine as long as he gets it daily. I give him Feline Welactin twist caps. Of course not all animals react the same but its worth trying. It took a week or so before I started to see any improvement in my Oscar. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage
Stacy, Here's a pathology link from The University of Georgia you might find useful. http://www.vet.uga.edu/VPP/CLERK/Starnes/index.php Give me a call. Karen - Original Message - From: Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:59 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Eosinophilic granuloma in Spanky's nasal passage This week I noticed Spanky's nasal passage looked swollen and red. At first I thought it was bleeding. It seemed that it just happened overnight! I took Spanky to the vet on Wed morning and she said it looks like he now has an the eosinophilic granuloma in his nose and it is swollen and half blocking the nasal passage. He has this also between his eyes and in his whiskers so it is migrating to other parts of his face. It started out as a white dot, then as his immune system became more depressed it turned into the granulomas and they keep getting larger. I started him on a topical steroid 3x a day. The cream they gave me to put on the granulomas is called tritop (neomycin sulfate isoflupredone acetate, tetracaine hydrochloride ointment.) However, I'm not sure how long we can wait to see if it works - next steps would be the steroid injection which will be dangerous for him given his lack of an immune system. Not sure if pred pill form should be tried first. I can't have his breathing blocked and do nothing. At this point he can breathe and is eating/drinking. I started him on cyproheptadine for his appetite. He's lost about 1.5 lbs since May and keeps steadily losing though he is eating. Spanky's last blood results were better or the same as before. He's FELV pos and was anemic. I have been giving him Pet-tinic 2x per day and it was able to raise his HCT to 32%. I know there is a risk if I have to give him the oral steroids ultimately on his already non-existent immune system but I have to do something as they can turn into cancer. If anyone gives oral steroids or if your kitty has had these granulomas I'd like to hear how your kitties handle it. Spanky's WBC was only 2400 last test (low of 996). It is all such a delicate balance/juggling act with the FELV/anemia/ beginning of CRF/etc. The standard treatment for the granulomas is steroids (usually the depo steroid injection). I'm just looking for any advice or recommendations - do I see a dermatologist or risk surgery (laser surgery to remove these if I can find a laser surgeon in my area)? Sorry for rambling but I'm so upset that this has to be inside his nose now! Cindi on the anemia list gave me some good links I will send to my vet as well. http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AC=189A=656S=2 http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2002PID=2544 http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2003PID=6694O=Generic Thanks. Stacy and Spanky ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
