Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
SARA, I OFTEN WONDER ABOUT THE ISSUE OF IS IT FOR ME OR THEM THAT I AM DOING THIS. I ALSO WAS CONFRONTED WITH THAT QUESTION WITH MY FATHER. HE WANTED TO DO ALL WE COULD DO, BUT AT THE END OF 2 YEARS OF GETTING WORSE RATHER THAN BETTER, HE ALSO MADE THE DECISION AND JUST GAVE UP. HE PASSED AWAY WHILE I WAS WASHING HIS FACE. I THINK THAT FOR THE LAST YEAR, HE WAS TRYING FOR ME MORE THAN HIMSELF. HE ASKED ME IF I WASN'T GETTING TIRED OF CARING FOR HIM JUST A FEW DAYS BEFORE HE PASSED. I REALIZE NOW THAT HE WAS TRYING TO TELL ME THAT HE WAS TIRED OF IT. IF ONLY OUR CATS COULD COMMUNICATE WITH US, I THINK THAT THEY MIGHT FEEL THE SAME WAY. WE WANT SO MUCH FOR THEM TO STAY WITH US THAT WE SOMETIMES FORGET TO ASK THEM WHAT THEY WANT. Sara Kasteleyn skastel...@cicresearch.com wrote: Tracey, I am so sorry to hear this. Each of us needs to make our own decisions about this, so I'll share our story. Last July (2009), my husband and I adopted two beautiful Bengal kittens, brother and sister. They were extremely unsocialized, so we worked with them for several months before they would let us handle them at all. When they reached six months of age, we took them in to be spayed/neutered, and at that time it was discovered that they were both FeLV+. One of the first things I did was to search for this list and thank heaven, you all are here. Taj, the male and 18 months old, started having difficulty breathing in mid-July 2010. We took him into the vet for tests, and discovered a massive tumor pressing into his lungs. We were give the option of chemo and other treatments, but opted to let him go, as he was in obvious distress. Several weeks later, we took his sister Rani in for an exam. I had felt a lump in her lower abdomen, and although she was showing no signs of weight loss or a decline in appetite or energy level at that time, we wanted to check it out as quickly as possible. She also has developed lymphoma, this time affecting her kidneys. They are about 1.5 times the size they should be. Again, we were offered the option of chemo, but decided to go with palliative care. She has been on 5mg of pred twice a day for three weeks now. It is likely this sweet girl will join all our other precious babies at the Bridge very soon. Given the FeLV+ status, we can't justify putting her through the trauma. We had taken another cat (no FeLV issues) through chemo for a stomach tumor several years ago, and it took such a toll on her, on us, on our financeswe bought her perhaps 6 months of diminished quality of life. In retrospect, we did it for ourselves, and not for her. I do know that some cats respond very well to chemo, so please be open to others' advice on this issue. It's just that our experience has not been so positive, and you're climbing a pretty big hill with the FeLV+ issues. There are so many on this list that will know specific questions to ask regarding the specifics of her blood work and other chemical levels that might work in Vixen's favor. I hope so. I'm also happy for her that she's had 10 years, hopefully most of them with you. My heart goes out to you as you face this difficult decision, Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 3:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs. The most likely scenario is now lymphoma. She has always been very robust and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten. Now, this. She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still likes to be around me and the other cats, but... I have an apptmt with the oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply pallative care. I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer cats did not have FeLV. So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc., that folks might have. She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious diseases. She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 5390 (20100823) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
IS SHE A FIGHTER? YOU HAVE TO WATCH HER AND FIND OUT WHAT SHE WANTS. I AM SO FORTUNATE THAT MY 2 FELV BABIES ARE STRONG AND HEALTHY. WHAT IS HER QUALITY OF LIFE? IT IS SO HARD TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS I WISH THEY COULD TALK AND TELL US WHAT THEY WANT. NO ANSWER FOR YOU, JUST SOME THOUGHTS. Tracy Weese trwe...@earthlink.net wrote: My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs. The most likely scenario is now lymphoma. She has always been very robust and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten. Now, this. She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still likes to be around me and the other cats, but... I have an apptmt with the oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply pallative care. I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer cats did not have FeLV. So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc., that folks might have. She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious diseases. She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
THE FROTHING COULD VERY WELL BE CAUSED BY CHAPPERRAL. I TRIED TAKING A TEA OF IT YEARS BACK AND IT HAS THE MOST BITTER, HORRIBLE TASTE. ABOUT THE NEEM - I HAVE USED THIS TO KILL INSECT PESTS ON PLANTS. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PLANT? Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Might you consider making and administering an herbal tonic/tea made of Graviola, Chaparral, Andreographis, and Neem? In a Google group, which is really for people who are interested in alternative cancer treatments, many have been using the tonic internally and a black salve externally on tumors (or both), even terminal squamous cell on a cat's face and jaw right now, many have been using it on their animals: Horses, dogs, cats, rabbits for all types if cancer, often very successfully. Even when combined with traditional things like chemo, it still helps and makes the quality of life and death a lot better! If interested, you can join the group and while treating the animal, advice is given by all membersCats do not tolerate it well because one of the herbs causes them to froth at the mouth, however, I have discovered a food mixture which a cat that I treated recently, absolutely devoured! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs. The most likely scenario is now lymphoma. She has always been very robust and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten. Now, this. She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still likes to be around me and the other cats, but... I have an apptmt with the oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply pallative care. I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer cats did not have FeLV. So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc., that folks might have. She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious diseases. She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
Vixen is pretty tough and until now, had never had any sickness despite being FeLV positive. She is still eating good, but she tires easily. She is still very pink and her attitude is good -- our apptmt is next Wednesday and I am debating whether to go forward or not. I am trying to take a clue from her -- trying to gage if she is depressed and just wants to rest foreverbut she seems to want to keep going so far... but all that could change in a minute. Thanks. -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Aug 25, 2010 6:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Tracy Weese trwe...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. IS SHE A FIGHTER? YOU HAVE TO WATCH HER AND FIND OUT WHAT SHE WANTS. I AM SO FORTUNATE THAT MY 2 FELV BABIES ARE STRONG AND HEALTHY. WHAT IS HER QUALITY OF LIFE? IT IS SO HARD TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS I WISH THEY COULD TALK AND TELL US WHAT THEY WANT. NO ANSWER FOR YOU, JUST SOME THOUGHTS. Tracy Weese trwe...@earthlink.net wrote: My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs. The most likely scenario is now lymphoma. She has always been very robust and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten. Now, this. She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still likes to be around me and the other cats, but... I have an apptmt with the oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply pallative care. I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer cats did not have FeLV. So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc., that folks might have. She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious diseases. She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
talk to her, and let her know that she doesn't have to stay here for you. people and critters do, i believe, often stay longer than they might ordinarily, to try to protect us. i always tell mine that it's okay if their job here is complete, that they can cross the bridge, and mommy will be alright. (of course, five minutes later, i'm crying in their fur saying, mommy's not ready! but they understand my human frailty.) if they know it's okay for them to leave when it's their time, they WILL let you know. i think that every one of us has allowed a beloved one to stay longer, to be treated longer, than was optimum for the traveller: and most of us have learned to feel the difference between, is this for me, or for them? ask her to tell you when it's her time, and listen with her heart, not yours. it's the last thanks we can give them, the gift of a loving farewell. i can't remember the quote exactly, but i found it many years ago, and it's stayed with me: that it's better to send them home one day too soon, than five minutes too late. (i, of course, talk to them about the cloak room at the bridge where there are racks and racks of new, healthy bodies, in every breed and color and pattern and mixture--that they can pick out a new body where everything works, and exchange it anytime they want) MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
I mix the Vetri DMG and the C-Caps in his food then squirt the fish oil (they're gel caps) and the Mushroom blend (it's a liquid too) in his mouth. At first he didn't like me squirting stuff in his mouth but now I think he has accepted it and it doesn't seem to bother him at all. He doesn't have any food allergies that I have been aware of. The only spot that is bad on him is spot on his nose, no where else. His lymph nodes all over his body are huge though. He actually was the neighbors outdoor only cat until he 'chose' us. He spent 10 years outsite and we live in FL so I imagine the sun hasn't helped. Plus he was a fighter with the neighborhood strays (even though neutered) so yeah...lets just say we are doing the best with what we have been given in his little orange furry package. The skin is definitely inflamed. I really don't want to put him on steroids at this point since he's eating well and doesn't seem to be in pain (and I have had bad exp. with steroids when not life and death) so I was hoping for something topical. The only thing is that he does rub at his nose so he'd probably rub anything off that I put on there. It's just so frustrating. Michelle Brockman It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be remembered Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:56:39 -0700 From: mr_mok...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. Hey Michelle, does he have any other health problems? food allergies can show themselves in the skin and it might be more than just the squamous cell. is any of the lesion simply irritated skin around the cancer? If so, i would probably go with something like eucerin creme original or eucerin calming creme (has oatmeal) around the edges [my derm recommends it and it's got fewer ingredients and works really well - very mild] does he medicate easily? is any of that in his food or applied topically (thinking the oil for soothing)? with that many things in the mix, i'd be hesitant to add more. if you do try something else, think about stopping something he's currently getting. I went through this and did tons of research and spent money I shouldn't have in order throw anything that sounded good at Ninja. She was seizure free her last 2 months, but she ended up having intestinal lymphoma and there's not much you can do except palliative care. I think that all of us need to step back once in a while and think about how we're treating/dealing with our ill companions and how much is actually for them, to ease pain and prolong quality of life, as opposed to for us because we can't bear to lose them. i'm on the lower end numbers-wise and have only had to make the decision twice as an adult (family pets when i was a kid were mom's decisions) and each time i've learned more about the grace our friends walk in and how they have NO baggage about death and dying - it simply is - and how much i still have to learn. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 1:12:25 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. Natalie, what is this group and how do you find out how to make this tea/balm? One of my cats has squamous cell on his nose. I give him C-Caps herbal cancer pills, Vetri DMG, Reishi mushroom blend and fish oil capsules everyday. The inflamation seems to be getting better but his nose is a bloody scabby mess. =( Michelle Brockman It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be remembered Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:34:28 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. Might you consider making and administering an herbal tonic/tea made of Graviola, Chaparral, Andreographis, and Neem? In a Google group, which is really for people who are interested in alternative cancer treatments, many have been using the tonic internally and a black salve externally on tumors (or both), even terminal squamous cell on a cat's face and jaw right now, many have been using it on their animals: Horses, dogs, cats, rabbits for all types if cancer, often very successfully. Even when combined with traditional things like chemo, it still helps and makes the quality of life and death a lot better! If interested, you can join the group and while treating the animal, advice is given by all membersCats do not tolerate it well because one of the herbs causes them to froth at the mouth, however, I have discovered a food mixture which a cat that I treated recently
Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
I'd like to juts add that prednisone shouldn't be stopped cold Turkey, it should be tapered or weaned offPlease consider the tonic! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 10:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. Tracy, I am so sorry. Personally, I agree with Natalie. I have been involved with that group as well and have been impressed with what can be done with the tonic (and salve for that matter). I do not believe it has been used specifically to treat felv but you never know, neem especially has a wide range of therapeutic uses. I, or Natalie I am sure, could provide you with the specifics of preparing the tonic. It is not exceptionally expensive and with minimal side effects. An additional possibility is high dose intravenous vitamin C. I believe that one of the things that responds well to this treatment is lymphoma. I know Sally would hook you up with whatever you needed if you opted for it. This is more invasive than the tonic as it requires an IV line and daily infusions, but effective none the less - there are papers to support its use in lymphoma. A single word of warning with prednisone. I have read a lot of papers about the treatment of felv, many use prednisone. It may improve symptoms but has never been shown to extend life and has sometimes been shown to shorten it. So if you are aiming for cure or long term treatment, I would be very cautious about deciding to use prednisone. Many alternative med docs would decidely steer you away from its use as they believe it negates anything positive you are achieving with alternative treatments. That's all I can offer at this point as although the LTCI shots and acemannan seem to help sometimes if you start it early, it doesn't seem to be able to stop things very well once they've started to go down that slippery slope - at least not that I've seen. Others may disagree. Good luck and God bless you both. You are in my prayers. Jenny On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Tracy Weese trwe...@earthlink.net wrote: My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs. The most likely scenario is now lymphoma. She has always been very robust and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten. Now, this. She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still likes to be around me and the other cats, but... I have an apptmt with the oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply pallative care. I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer cats did not have FeLV. So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc., that folks might have. She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious diseases. She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
Natalie, what is this group and how do you find out how to make this tea/balm? One of my cats has squamous cell on his nose. I give him C-Caps herbal cancer pills, Vetri DMG, Reishi mushroom blend and fish oil capsules everyday. The inflamation seems to be getting better but his nose is a bloody scabby mess. =( Michelle Brockman It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be remembered Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:34:28 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. Might you consider making and administering an herbal tonic/tea made of Graviola, Chaparral, Andreographis, and Neem? In a Google group, which is really for people who are interested in alternative cancer treatments, many have been using the tonic internally and a black salve externally on tumors (or both), even terminal squamous cell on a cat's face and jaw right now, many have been using it on their animals: Horses, dogs, cats, rabbits for all types if cancer, often very successfully. Even when combined with traditional things like chemo, it still helps and makes the quality of life and death a lot better! If interested, you can join the group and while treating the animal, advice is given by all membersCats do not tolerate it well because one of the herbs causes them to froth at the mouth, however, I have discovered a food mixture which a cat that I treated recently, absolutely devoured! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs. The most likely scenario is now lymphoma. She has always been very robust and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten. Now, this. She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still likes to be around me and the other cats, but... I have an apptmt with the oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply pallative care. I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer cats did not have FeLV. So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc., that folks might have. She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious diseases. She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc.
Hey Michelle, does he have any other health problems? food allergies can show themselves in the skin and it might be more than just the squamous cell. is any of the lesion simply irritated skin around the cancer? If so, i would probably go with something like eucerin creme original or eucerin calming creme (has oatmeal) around the edges [my derm recommends it and it's got fewer ingredients and works really well - very mild] does he medicate easily? is any of that in his food or applied topically (thinking the oil for soothing)? with that many things in the mix, i'd be hesitant to add more. if you do try something else, think about stopping something he's currently getting. I went through this and did tons of research and spent money I shouldn't have in order throw anything that sounded good at Ninja. She was seizure free her last 2 months, but she ended up having intestinal lymphoma and there's not much you can do except palliative care. I think that all of us need to step back once in a while and think about how we're treating/dealing with our ill companions and how much is actually for them, to ease pain and prolong quality of life, as opposed to for us because we can't bear to lose them. i'm on the lower end numbers-wise and have only had to make the decision twice as an adult (family pets when i was a kid were mom's decisions) and each time i've learned more about the grace our friends walk in and how they have NO baggage about death and dying - it simply is - and how much i still have to learn. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 1:12:25 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. Natalie, what is this group and how do you find out how to make this tea/balm? One of my cats has squamous cell on his nose. I give him C-Caps herbal cancer pills, Vetri DMG, Reishi mushroom blend and fish oil capsules everyday. The inflamation seems to be getting better but his nose is a bloody scabby mess. =( Michelle Brockman It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be remembered Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:34:28 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. Might you consider making and administering an herbal tonic/tea made of Graviola, Chaparral, Andreographis, and Neem? In a Google group, which is really for people who are interested in alternative cancer treatments, many have been using the tonic internally and a black salve externally on tumors (or both), even terminal squamous cell on a cat's face and jaw right now, many have been using it on their animals: Horses, dogs, cats, rabbits for all types if cancer, often very successfully. Even when combined with traditional things like chemo, it still helps and makes the quality of life and death a lot better! If interested, you can join the group and while treating the animal, advice is given by all membersCats do not tolerate it well because one of the herbs causes them to froth at the mouth, however, I have discovered a food mixture which a cat that I treated recently, absolutely devoured! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs. The most likely scenario is now lymphoma. She has always been very robust and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten. Now, this. She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still likes to be around me and the other cats, but... I have an apptmt with the oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply pallative care. I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer cats did not have FeLV. So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc., that folks might have. She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious diseases. She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org
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Michelle, If you have a cat with SCC, I would highly highly recommend doing the salve. If you join the group (I can send you an email from the group and you can join it) the woman who runs it generally makes the salve and you can get it from her. It's not expensive. I have seen it work miracles in the time I have been in the group. In fact we recently used it for a tumor mass on my dog's tails - within two weeks the tumor had dissolved. Everyone sends pictures and you can see the progress - it is amazing. I'll send you an email from the group. Jenny On 8/24/10, Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Michelle, does he have any other health problems? food allergies can show themselves in the skin and it might be more than just the squamous cell. is any of the lesion simply irritated skin around the cancer? If so, i would probably go with something like eucerin creme original or eucerin calming creme (has oatmeal) around the edges [my derm recommends it and it's got fewer ingredients and works really well - very mild] does he medicate easily? is any of that in his food or applied topically (thinking the oil for soothing)? with that many things in the mix, i'd be hesitant to add more. if you do try something else, think about stopping something he's currently getting. I went through this and did tons of research and spent money I shouldn't have in order throw anything that sounded good at Ninja. She was seizure free her last 2 months, but she ended up having intestinal lymphoma and there's not much you can do except palliative care. I think that all of us need to step back once in a while and think about how we're treating/dealing with our ill companions and how much is actually for them, to ease pain and prolong quality of life, as opposed to for us because we can't bear to lose them. i'm on the lower end numbers-wise and have only had to make the decision twice as an adult (family pets when i was a kid were mom's decisions) and each time i've learned more about the grace our friends walk in and how they have NO baggage about death and dying - it simply is - and how much i still have to learn. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 1:12:25 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. Natalie, what is this group and how do you find out how to make this tea/balm? One of my cats has squamous cell on his nose. I give him C-Caps herbal cancer pills, Vetri DMG, Reishi mushroom blend and fish oil capsules everyday. The inflamation seems to be getting better but his nose is a bloody scabby mess. =( Michelle Brockman It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be remembered Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:34:28 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. Might you consider making and administering an herbal tonic/tea made of Graviola, Chaparral, Andreographis, and Neem? In a Google group, which is really for people who are interested in alternative cancer treatments, many have been using the tonic internally and a black salve externally on tumors (or both), even terminal squamous cell on a cat's face and jaw right now, many have been using it on their animals: Horses, dogs, cats, rabbits for all types if cancer, often very successfully. Even when combined with traditional things like chemo, it still helps and makes the quality of life and death a lot better! If interested, you can join the group and while treating the animal, advice is given by all membersCats do not tolerate it well because one of the herbs causes them to froth at the mouth, however, I have discovered a food mixture which a cat that I treated recently, absolutely devoured! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs. The most likely scenario is now lymphoma. She has always been very robust and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten. Now, this. She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still likes to be around me and the other cats, but... I have an apptmt with the oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply pallative care. I
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I'd be interested in more info about this too Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 4:08:34 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. Michelle, If you have a cat with SCC, I would highly highly recommend doing the salve. If you join the group (I can send you an email from the group and you can join it) the woman who runs it generally makes the salve and you can get it from her. It's not expensive. I have seen it work miracles in the time I have been in the group. In fact we recently used it for a tumor mass on my dog's tails - within two weeks the tumor had dissolved. Everyone sends pictures and you can see the progress - it is amazing. I'll send you an email from the group. Jenny On 8/24/10, Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Michelle, does he have any other health problems? food allergies can show themselves in the skin and it might be more than just the squamous cell. is any of the lesion simply irritated skin around the cancer? If so, i would probably go with something like eucerin creme original or eucerin calming creme (has oatmeal) around the edges [my derm recommends it and it's got fewer ingredients and works really well - very mild] does he medicate easily? is any of that in his food or applied topically (thinking the oil for soothing)? with that many things in the mix, i'd be hesitant to add more. if you do try something else, think about stopping something he's currently getting. I went through this and did tons of research and spent money I shouldn't have in order throw anything that sounded good at Ninja. She was seizure free her last 2 months, but she ended up having intestinal lymphoma and there's not much you can do except palliative care. I think that all of us need to step back once in a while and think about how we're treating/dealing with our ill companions and how much is actually for them, to ease pain and prolong quality of life, as opposed to for us because we can't bear to lose them. i'm on the lower end numbers-wise and have only had to make the decision twice as an adult (family pets when i was a kid were mom's decisions) and each time i've learned more about the grace our friends walk in and how they have NO baggage about death and dying - it simply is - and how much i still have to learn. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 1:12:25 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. Natalie, what is this group and how do you find out how to make this tea/balm? One of my cats has squamous cell on his nose. I give him C-Caps herbal cancer pills, Vetri DMG, Reishi mushroom blend and fish oil capsules everyday. The inflamation seems to be getting better but his nose is a bloody scabby mess. =( Michelle Brockman It is when we forget ourselves that we do the things which will be remembered Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 20:34:28 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. Might you consider making and administering an herbal tonic/tea made of Graviola, Chaparral, Andreographis, and Neem? In a Google group, which is really for people who are interested in alternative cancer treatments, many have been using the tonic internally and a black salve externally on tumors (or both), even terminal squamous cell on a cat's face and jaw right now, many have been using it on their animals: Horses, dogs, cats, rabbits for all types if cancer, often very successfully. Even when combined with traditional things like chemo, it still helps and makes the quality of life and death a lot better! If interested, you can join the group and while treating the animal, advice is given by all membersCats do not tolerate it well because one of the herbs causes them to froth at the mouth, however, I have discovered a food mixture which a cat that I treated recently, absolutely devoured! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination
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Tracey, I am so sorry to hear this. Each of us needs to make our own decisions about this, so I'll share our story. Last July (2009), my husband and I adopted two beautiful Bengal kittens, brother and sister. They were extremely unsocialized, so we worked with them for several months before they would let us handle them at all. When they reached six months of age, we took them in to be spayed/neutered, and at that time it was discovered that they were both FeLV+. One of the first things I did was to search for this list and thank heaven, you all are here. Taj, the male and 18 months old, started having difficulty breathing in mid-July 2010. We took him into the vet for tests, and discovered a massive tumor pressing into his lungs. We were give the option of chemo and other treatments, but opted to let him go, as he was in obvious distress. Several weeks later, we took his sister Rani in for an exam. I had felt a lump in her lower abdomen, and although she was showing no signs of weight loss or a decline in appetite or energy level at that time, we wanted to check it out as quickly as possible. She also has developed lymphoma, this time affecting her kidneys. They are about 1.5 times the size they should be. Again, we were offered the option of chemo, but decided to go with palliative care. She has been on 5mg of pred twice a day for three weeks now. It is likely this sweet girl will join all our other precious babies at the Bridge very soon. Given the FeLV+ status, we can't justify putting her through the trauma. We had taken another cat (no FeLV issues) through chemo for a stomach tumor several years ago, and it took such a toll on her, on us, on our financeswe bought her perhaps 6 months of diminished quality of life. In retrospect, we did it for ourselves, and not for her. I do know that some cats respond very well to chemo, so please be open to others' advice on this issue. It's just that our experience has not been so positive, and you're climbing a pretty big hill with the FeLV+ issues. There are so many on this list that will know specific questions to ask regarding the specifics of her blood work and other chemical levels that might work in Vixen's favor. I hope so. I'm also happy for her that she's had 10 years, hopefully most of them with you. My heart goes out to you as you face this difficult decision, Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 3:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs. The most likely scenario is now lymphoma. She has always been very robust and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten. Now, this. She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still likes to be around me and the other cats, but... I have an apptmt with the oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply pallative care. I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer cats did not have FeLV. So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc., that folks might have. She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious diseases. She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 5390 (20100823) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Might you consider making and administering an herbal tonic/tea made of Graviola, Chaparral, Andreographis, and Neem? In a Google group, which is really for people who are interested in alternative cancer treatments, many have been using the tonic internally and a black salve externally on tumors (or both), even terminal squamous cell on a cat's face and jaw right now, many have been using it on their animals: Horses, dogs, cats, rabbits for all types if cancer, often very successfully. Even when combined with traditional things like chemo, it still helps and makes the quality of life and death a lot better! If interested, you can join the group and while treating the animal, advice is given by all membersCats do not tolerate it well because one of the herbs causes them to froth at the mouth, however, I have discovered a food mixture which a cat that I treated recently, absolutely devoured! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma/Brain Inflammation, etc. My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs. The most likely scenario is now lymphoma. She has always been very robust and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten. Now, this. She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still likes to be around me and the other cats, but... I have an apptmt with the oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply pallative care. I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer cats did not have FeLV. So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc., that folks might have. She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious diseases. She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Tracy, I am so sorry. Personally, I agree with Natalie. I have been involved with that group as well and have been impressed with what can be done with the tonic (and salve for that matter). I do not believe it has been used specifically to treat felv but you never know, neem especially has a wide range of therapeutic uses. I, or Natalie I am sure, could provide you with the specifics of preparing the tonic. It is not exceptionally expensive and with minimal side effects. An additional possibility is high dose intravenous vitamin C. I believe that one of the things that responds well to this treatment is lymphoma. I know Sally would hook you up with whatever you needed if you opted for it. This is more invasive than the tonic as it requires an IV line and daily infusions, but effective none the less - there are papers to support its use in lymphoma. A single word of warning with prednisone. I have read a lot of papers about the treatment of felv, many use prednisone. It may improve symptoms but has never been shown to extend life and has sometimes been shown to shorten it. So if you are aiming for cure or long term treatment, I would be very cautious about deciding to use prednisone. Many alternative med docs would decidely steer you away from its use as they believe it negates anything positive you are achieving with alternative treatments. That's all I can offer at this point as although the LTCI shots and acemannan seem to help sometimes if you start it early, it doesn't seem to be able to stop things very well once they've started to go down that slippery slope - at least not that I've seen. Others may disagree. Good luck and God bless you both. You are in my prayers. Jenny On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Tracy Weese trwe...@earthlink.net wrote: My 10+ yo cat, Vixen, now has FeLV+ spinal fluid and brain inflammation which is causing head bobbing and weakness/uncoordination in the back legs. The most likely scenario is now lymphoma. She has always been very robust and healthy (and pink) even though being diagnosed with FeLV as a kitten. Now, this. She is still eating good although she has lost a little weight -- she still likes to be around me and the other cats, but... I have an apptmt with the oncologist next week, and just don't know whether to treat or to do simply pallative care. I know cats can respond well to chemo, but my other cancer cats did not have FeLV. So I was looking for any ideas, suggestions, etc., that folks might have. She is still on some antibiotics while we wait for final reports on several infectious diseases but the prelim reports have showed no infectious diseases. She is also taking an anti-inflammatory dose of pred. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org