Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
I'm with antianxiety meds too. It might also help with his aggression with your other cat. I have 2 on prozac for peeing issues. One of them also challenges my alpha cat. Putting him on prozac really just took the edge off of him. He still plays with his buddy cats, but he has stopped spraying and he doesn't go after my alpha nearly as often. Merlin > > From: Susan Hoffman > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; > Mari ; > tlstick...@yahoo.com > Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 11:50:58 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in > cat? > > If the pheremones don't work then talk to your vet about > antianxiety meds, either prozac or elavil, at least for > awhile till he begins to get over whatever is in his past. > (I had one cat on prozac for years. It made all the > difference in the world.) > > --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Barb Moermond > wrote: > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
Haven't heard that one before, thanks Christinane --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Chris wrote: From: Chris Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 6:01 PM Don't know if it's the same thing-but my Little Boy has these episodes when he's sound asleep where he's start twiching and bolts in the air usually throwing himself off the bed or chair or whatever he's on. He's sound asleep when it happens & poor thing is all perplexed when he suddenly wakes up on the floor or wherever he landed. I took him to my vet & a neurologist but nobody seems to be able to tell me what it is. Could be mild seizures-he's always been a bit clutzy & when I brought him in, my vet thought he clutzyness might have been related to his mother maybe having had distemper. The signs were real weak so no special care needed. Sometimes, Little Boy scares me cause he really likes to get up high & I worry about him hurting himself when he falls. Christiane Biagi -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? Hello all, This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer for me. I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago. Had him neutered and vetted. He had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder additive to his food. He used to be very aggressive towards other cats (something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes himself to be a dog. He has no fear at ALL of people, cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!). But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household: he has night terrors. Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm not home & at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep with us. Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard enough to wake him up. Then he sits all hunched up and blinking for a few minutes. If I go to him he immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen times. I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something. All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may have hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area. She doesn't think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell something of the first year or two of his life. I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes. As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat and dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a chain reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!). (Not to mentionI've gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or more of the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors. Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going? Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time? (He's been an indoor only cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting lessat the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-) Thanks, Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R
I would lean more towards Elavil, I think. But a lot depends on why the cat is doing this, whether it is physical or psychological. --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Sharyl wrote: > From: Sharyl > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 3:36 PM > Tamara, you've gotten a lot of > advise. I've had a lot of cats do strange things but > nothing like Mica's night terrors. If you tried the > Feliway diffusers and it didn't help I'm not sure what else > you can do. A low dose of Prozac before bedtime might > be the answer. > Sharyl > > > > On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:47 PM, tamara stickler wrote: > > > > > "survivor" - yes..."Little" - HA! if ONLY! ;-) > > > > > > Unfortunately, no, I can't arrange so he gets > quality > > time at night. The dog, also a rescue, suffers from > > separation anxietyif I were to lock him out of the > room > > - he'd howl all night and pee on everything! (much as > he > > does ALL DAY when I'm at work!) plus both > Tobias-Rat > > (the dog) & Coebieo (the other cat) have > > IBDstressful situations, changes in routine > triggers an > > attack.Micatullyvhim is my "healthy" one! > > > > > > And lastly...when he boltshe does so > > blindly. I've been scratched in the eyeball from > one > > of his back claws as he fled across my face, slammed > in the > > head by his head as he bolted from the couch (I was > sitting > > in front of it on the floor). I'd like not to go to > > bed having to wear a helmet and pads! > > > > > > The good thing is, I suppose, that he doesn't > seem to > > "NEED" me to get comfortable or to sleep or feel > safe. > > That has come from his independant nature to begin > with and > > from the last three years of having his own room at > > night. It's only been the last year and a half > where > > I've let him into the rest of the condo ALL DAY when > I'm > > home. But his aggression with Coebeio (a much older > > and smaller - only 7-8 pounds compared to his 18lb. > frame) > > is improvingalthough I can't wait for the day when > he > > FINALLY STOPS being a pain in the arse with her! > The > > "tully" part of his name comes from the nerdy > character > > played by Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters who used to > annoy > > Sigorny Weaver's character...(and just like that > character, > > Mica used to open doors constantly, only to lock > himself on > > the wrong side!). Much of the night those first few > > months was spent "rescuing" him from closets and > cabinets > > that he had managed to get into only to have them > close > > back > > > on him locking him insidewhere of course he'd > mew > > in that tiny cat voice of his CONTINUOUSLY like some > kind of > > cat variation of Chinese water torture, until I came > to free > > him! I finally had to put child-proof locks on > > everything! > > > > > > Thanks for the imput tho! > > > T > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Diane Rosenfeldt > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com > > > > > > Wow, what a little survivor Mica is! > > > is there a way > > > that you could sleep with just Mica for a while? > Maybe > > being with you would > > > calm his terrors a little, and if it's just you > and > > him you won't have that > > > chain reaction. > > > Diane R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R
Tamara, you've gotten a lot of advise. I've had a lot of cats do strange things but nothing like Mica's night terrors. If you tried the Feliway diffusers and it didn't help I'm not sure what else you can do. A low dose of Prozac before bedtime might be the answer. Sharyl > On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:47 PM, tamara stickler wrote: > > > "survivor" - yes..."Little" - HA! if ONLY! ;-) > > > > Unfortunately, no, I can't arrange so he gets quality > time at night. The dog, also a rescue, suffers from > separation anxietyif I were to lock him out of the room > - he'd howl all night and pee on everything! (much as he > does ALL DAY when I'm at work!) plus both Tobias-Rat > (the dog) & Coebieo (the other cat) have > IBDstressful situations, changes in routine triggers an > attack.Micatullyvhim is my "healthy" one! > > > > And lastly...when he boltshe does so > blindly. I've been scratched in the eyeball from one > of his back claws as he fled across my face, slammed in the > head by his head as he bolted from the couch (I was sitting > in front of it on the floor). I'd like not to go to > bed having to wear a helmet and pads! > > > > The good thing is, I suppose, that he doesn't seem to > "NEED" me to get comfortable or to sleep or feel safe. > That has come from his independant nature to begin with and > from the last three years of having his own room at > night. It's only been the last year and a half where > I've let him into the rest of the condo ALL DAY when I'm > home. But his aggression with Coebeio (a much older > and smaller - only 7-8 pounds compared to his 18lb. frame) > is improvingalthough I can't wait for the day when he > FINALLY STOPS being a pain in the arse with her! The > "tully" part of his name comes from the nerdy character > played by Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters who used to annoy > Sigorny Weaver's character...(and just like that character, > Mica used to open doors constantly, only to lock himself on > the wrong side!). Much of the night those first few > months was spent "rescuing" him from closets and cabinets > that he had managed to get into only to have them close > back > > on him locking him insidewhere of course he'd mew > in that tiny cat voice of his CONTINUOUSLY like some kind of > cat variation of Chinese water torture, until I came to free > him! I finally had to put child-proof locks on > everything! > > > > Thanks for the imput tho! > > T > > > > > > --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Diane Rosenfeldt > wrote: > > > > From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com > > > > Wow, what a little survivor Mica is! > > is there a way > > that you could sleep with just Mica for a while? Maybe > being with you would > > calm his terrors a little, and if it's just you and > him you won't have that > > chain reaction. > > Diane R. > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
Don't know if it's the same thing-but my Little Boy has these episodes when he's sound asleep where he's start twiching and bolts in the air usually throwing himself off the bed or chair or whatever he's on. He's sound asleep when it happens & poor thing is all perplexed when he suddenly wakes up on the floor or wherever he landed. I took him to my vet & a neurologist but nobody seems to be able to tell me what it is. Could be mild seizures-he's always been a bit clutzy & when I brought him in, my vet thought he clutzyness might have been related to his mother maybe having had distemper. The signs were real weak so no special care needed. Sometimes, Little Boy scares me cause he really likes to get up high & I worry about him hurting himself when he falls. Christiane Biagi -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? Hello all, This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer for me. I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago. Had him neutered and vetted. He had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder additive to his food. He used to be very aggressive towards other cats (something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes himself to be a dog. He has no fear at ALL of people, cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!). But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household: he has night terrors. Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm not home & at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep with us. Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard enough to wake him up. Then he sits all hunched up and blinking for a few minutes. If I go to him he immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen times. I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something. All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may have hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area. She doesn't think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell something of the first year or two of his life. I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes. As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat and dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a chain reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!). (Not to mentionI've gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or more of the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors. Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going? Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time? (He's been an indoor only cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting lessat the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-) Thanks, Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
Thanks Janine, Tried the cypro...WOW what a MISTAKE! Mica mewed CONSTANTLY while on it...-no exaggeration - with EVERY exhale he'd meow. Luckily he has a very soft voice, but still I thought I was going to go BATTY! The only time he shut up was when he slept...and he had the night terrors even then. Plus he gained like 7 lbs over the course of three months. I think that's the main reason I'm so worried about mood elevators with him. He was on cypro for his asthma. Now I just give steriods whenever he has a bad bout and he has to deal with it otherwise. I had a BIG fall-out with the one vet over taking him off cypro. It was only when I let her keep him for 10 hrs. one day did she "get it". Tell Whitey he's not alone! Poor guy. thx! --- On Mon, 12/7/09, janine paton wrote: From: janine paton Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 5:11 PM Jeepers. I'm so sorry for this cat! I have a FIV+ named Whitey who'd been hit by a car a few winters ago. Disappeared for a week, feeders thought he was dead. Long story short, he now lives in my bedroom (only because he doesn't play nice with others) but oh boy, does he love us. Broken jaw and paralysis on one side of his face. Can not open his mouth more than a quarter of an inch. He is physically a little akward, too. For two years at least, he startled awake out of a sound sleep when hearing a loud car or truck. NOT jumping as high as your kitty, and he doesn't have beebees in him, but now he is starting to relax more, and sleep through loud motor noises. There's a drug called cyproheptadine (maybe used for allergies?) we use sometimes to relax just a little, maybe at night would be a good time. Also increases appetite, sort of useful for cancer patients. Also, Bach flower rememdies come in more than rescue rememdy, although rescue rememdy might do it. If you go to a health food store, or online, you can pick out a few to use in his water that may fit his issues. Janine From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Mari ; tlstick...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 11:50:58 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? If the pheremones don't work then talk to your vet about antianxiety meds, either prozac or elavil, at least for awhile till he begins to get over whatever is in his past. (I had one cat on prozac for years. It made all the difference in the world.) --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Barb Moermond wrote: > From: Barb Moermond > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, "Mari" , > tlstick...@yahoo.com > Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 8:42 AM > Tamara, > I'm forwarding this individually to Mari as I know she has > experience with this. She's on the list, but I think > on digest and I want to make sure she sees this. > Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito > > > "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should > impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases > him, and making me smile." > - Anonymous > > > > > > From: tamara stickler > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:37:33 AM > Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in > cat? > > Hello all, > > This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured > with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the > people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer > for me. > > I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago. Had him > neutered and vetted. He had/has many issues including > being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think > we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder > additive to his food. He used to be very aggressive > towards other cats (something for which my other cat still > hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes > himself to be a dog. He has no fear at ALL of people, > cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and > will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something > even my DOG REFUSES to do!). But..there is one major > obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household: > he has night terrors. > > Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own > room whenever I'm not home & at night, but I have been > trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep > with us. Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares > where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 > feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits > som
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
Jeepers. I'm so sorry for this cat! I have a FIV+ named Whitey who'd been hit by a car a few winters ago. Disappeared for a week, feeders thought he was dead. Long story short, he now lives in my bedroom (only because he doesn't play nice with others) but oh boy, does he love us. Broken jaw and paralysis on one side of his face. Can not open his mouth more than a quarter of an inch. He is physically a little akward, too. For two years at least, he startled awake out of a sound sleep when hearing a loud car or truck. NOT jumping as high as your kitty, and he doesn't have beebees in him, but now he is starting to relax more, and sleep through loud motor noises. There's a drug called cyproheptadine (maybe used for allergies?) we use sometimes to relax just a little, maybe at night would be a good time. Also increases appetite, sort of useful for cancer patients. Also, Bach flower rememdies come in more than rescue rememdy, although rescue rememdy might do it.If you go to a health food store, or online, you can pick out a few to use in his water that may fit his issues. Janine From: Susan Hoffman To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Mari ; tlstick...@yahoo.com Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 11:50:58 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? If the pheremones don't work then talk to your vet about antianxiety meds, either prozac or elavil, at least for awhile till he begins to get over whatever is in his past. (I had one cat on prozac for years. It made all the difference in the world.) --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Barb Moermond wrote: > From: Barb Moermond > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, "Mari" , > tlstick...@yahoo.com > Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 8:42 AM > Tamara, > I'm forwarding this individually to Mari as I know she has > experience with this. She's on the list, but I think > on digest and I want to make sure she sees this. > Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito > > > "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should > impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases > him, and making me smile." > - Anonymous > > > > > > From: tamara stickler > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:37:33 AM > Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in > cat? > > Hello all, > > This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured > with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the > people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer > for me. > > I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago. Had him > neutered and vetted. He had/has many issues including > being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think > we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder > additive to his food. He used to be very aggressive > towards other cats (something for which my other cat still > hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes > himself to be a dog. He has no fear at ALL of people, > cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and > will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something > even my DOG REFUSES to do!). But..there is one major > obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household: > he has night terrors. > > Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own > room whenever I'm not home & at night, but I have been > trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep > with us. Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares > where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 > feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits > something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard > enough to wake him up. Then he sits all hunched up and > blinking for a few minutes. If I go to him he > immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a belly rub - > only after head-butting me a few dozen times. > > I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful > spasms or something. All she could find were old > injuries that looked like a car accident may have hit him in > the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to > be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder > area. She doesn't think they would be the cause of > pain now...but both injuries tell something of the first > year or two of his life. > > I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the > episodes. > > As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at > night, while the cat and dog and I share a bedwhen he > freaks out at night-
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R
I may get jeered at but.have you tried an animal communicator? On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:47 PM, tamara stickler wrote: "survivor" - yes..."Little" - HA! if ONLY! ;-) Unfortunately, no, I can't arrange so he gets quality time at night. The dog, also a rescue, suffers from separation anxietyif I were to lock him out of the room - he'd howl all night and pee on everything! (much as he does ALL DAY when I'm at work!) plus both Tobias-Rat (the dog) & Coebieo (the other cat) have IBDstressful situations, changes in routine triggers an attack.Micatullyvhim is my "healthy" one! And lastly...when he boltshe does so blindly. I've been scratched in the eyeball from one of his back claws as he fled across my face, slammed in the head by his head as he bolted from the couch (I was sitting in front of it on the floor). I'd like not to go to bed having to wear a helmet and pads! The good thing is, I suppose, that he doesn't seem to "NEED" me to get comfortable or to sleep or feel safe. That has come from his independant nature to begin with and from the last three years of having his own room at night. It's only been the last year and a half where I've let him into the rest of the condo ALL DAY when I'm home. But his aggression with Coebeio (a much older and smaller - only 7-8 pounds compared to his 18lb. frame) is improvingalthough I can't wait for the day when he FINALLY STOPS being a pain in the arse with her! The "tully" part of his name comes from the nerdy character played by Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters who used to annoy Sigorny Weaver's character...(and just like that character, Mica used to open doors constantly, only to lock himself on the wrong side!). Much of the night those first few months was spent "rescuing" him from closets and cabinets that he had managed to get into only to have them close back on him locking him insidewhere of course he'd mew in that tiny cat voice of his CONTINUOUSLY like some kind of cat variation of Chinese water torture, until I came to free him! I finally had to put child-proof locks on everything! Thanks for the imput tho! T --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Wow, what a little survivor Mica is! is there a way that you could sleep with just Mica for a while? Maybe being with you would calm his terrors a little, and if it's just you and him you won't have that chain reaction. Diane R. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
I know there is a sleeping disorder with people where their bodies fail to properly paralize them while they dream -which results in sleepwalking. I wonder if this could be what is happening in Mica's case...?? --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Susan Hoffman wrote: From: Susan Hoffman Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 3:33 PM Seizures only when the cat is sleeping would seem unlikely. I had an epileptic cat and her seizures were always when she was awake. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R
"survivor" - yes..."Little" - HA! if ONLY! ;-) Unfortunately, no, I can't arrange so he gets quality time at night. The dog, also a rescue, suffers from separation anxietyif I were to lock him out of the room - he'd howl all night and pee on everything! (much as he does ALL DAY when I'm at work!) plus both Tobias-Rat (the dog) & Coebieo (the other cat) have IBDstressful situations, changes in routine triggers an attack.Micatullyvhim is my "healthy" one! And lastly...when he boltshe does so blindly. I've been scratched in the eyeball from one of his back claws as he fled across my face, slammed in the head by his head as he bolted from the couch (I was sitting in front of it on the floor). I'd like not to go to bed having to wear a helmet and pads! The good thing is, I suppose, that he doesn't seem to "NEED" me to get comfortable or to sleep or feel safe. That has come from his independant nature to begin with and from the last three years of having his own room at night. It's only been the last year and a half where I've let him into the rest of the condo ALL DAY when I'm home. But his aggression with Coebeio (a much older and smaller - only 7-8 pounds compared to his 18lb. frame) is improvingalthough I can't wait for the day when he FINALLY STOPS being a pain in the arse with her! The "tully" part of his name comes from the nerdy character played by Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters who used to annoy Sigorny Weaver's character...(and just like that character, Mica used to open doors constantly, only to lock himself on the wrong side!). Much of the night those first few months was spent "rescuing" him from closets and cabinets that he had managed to get into only to have them close back on him locking him insidewhere of course he'd mew in that tiny cat voice of his CONTINUOUSLY like some kind of cat variation of Chinese water torture, until I came to free him! I finally had to put child-proof locks on everything! Thanks for the imput tho! T --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Wow, what a little survivor Mica is! is there a way that you could sleep with just Mica for a while? Maybe being with you would calm his terrors a little, and if it's just you and him you won't have that chain reaction. Diane R. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
Seizures only when the cat is sleeping would seem unlikely. I had an epileptic cat and her seizures were always when she was awake. --- On Mon, 12/7/09, tamara stickler wrote: > From: tamara stickler > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 12:19 PM > ok... I suppose I will have to > research the possiblity of seizures more closely. thx. > > --- On Mon, 12/7/09, MaryChristine > wrote: > > > From: MaryChristine > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in > cat? > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 2:39 PM > > > i'm with the folks suggesting prozac/elavil--tho the other > thing i'm > wondering about is whether it could be a seizure disorder. > another inactive > member of this list has a CH (cerebellar hypoplasia) kitty > who has seizures > in her sleep. > > the other thing, tho with it happening in sleep isn't as > likely, would be > some sort of hyperesthesia syndrome resulting from the > early trauma: there's > a kitty who was set on fire when he was young, and his > burns were never > treated, and he has to be on depomedrol, or he turns into a > mainely-coonie > fiend if he is touched at all--it's almost as if the nerve > pathways were > knocked way out of whack, and didn't get rewired > correctly. > > MC > > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > MaryChristine > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue > (www.purebredcats.org) > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
ok... I suppose I will have to research the possiblity of seizures more closely. thx. --- On Mon, 12/7/09, MaryChristine wrote: From: MaryChristine Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 2:39 PM i'm with the folks suggesting prozac/elavil--tho the other thing i'm wondering about is whether it could be a seizure disorder. another inactive member of this list has a CH (cerebellar hypoplasia) kitty who has seizures in her sleep. the other thing, tho with it happening in sleep isn't as likely, would be some sort of hyperesthesia syndrome resulting from the early trauma: there's a kitty who was set on fire when he was young, and his burns were never treated, and he has to be on depomedrol, or he turns into a mainely-coonie fiend if he is touched at all--it's almost as if the nerve pathways were knocked way out of whack, and didn't get rewired correctly. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
i'm with the folks suggesting prozac/elavil--tho the other thing i'm wondering about is whether it could be a seizure disorder. another inactive member of this list has a CH (cerebellar hypoplasia) kitty who has seizures in her sleep. the other thing, tho with it happening in sleep isn't as likely, would be some sort of hyperesthesia syndrome resulting from the early trauma: there's a kitty who was set on fire when he was young, and his burns were never treated, and he has to be on depomedrol, or he turns into a mainely-coonie fiend if he is touched at all--it's almost as if the nerve pathways were knocked way out of whack, and didn't get rewired correctly. MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
Wow, what a little survivor Mica is! Aside from the kitty Prozac, which sounds like a good idea, is there a way that you could sleep with just Mica for a while? Maybe being with you would calm his terrors a little, and if it's just you and him you won't have that chain reaction. The goal, of course, being you can all sleep together eventually, but taking baby steps. Or maybe this along with the tranks... I've never had this happen with a cat, but this would be my first instinct. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 10:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? Hello all, ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
If the pheremones don't work then talk to your vet about antianxiety meds, either prozac or elavil, at least for awhile till he begins to get over whatever is in his past. (I had one cat on prozac for years. It made all the difference in the world.) --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Barb Moermond wrote: > From: Barb Moermond > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, "Mari" , > tlstick...@yahoo.com > Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 8:42 AM > Tamara, > I'm forwarding this individually to Mari as I know she has > experience with this. She's on the list, but I think > on digest and I want to make sure she sees this. > Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito > > > "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should > impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases > him, and making me smile." > - Anonymous > > > > > > From: tamara stickler > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:37:33 AM > Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in > cat? > > Hello all, > > This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured > with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the > people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer > for me. > > I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago. Had him > neutered and vetted. He had/has many issues including > being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think > we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder > additive to his food. He used to be very aggressive > towards other cats (something for which my other cat still > hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes > himself to be a dog. He has no fear at ALL of people, > cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and > will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something > even my DOG REFUSES to do!). But..there is one major > obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household: > he has night terrors. > > Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own > room whenever I'm not home & at night, but I have been > trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep > with us. Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares > where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 > feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits > something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard > enough to wake him up. Then he sits all hunched up and > blinking for a few minutes. If I go to him he > immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a belly rub - > only after head-butting me a few dozen times. > > I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful > spasms or something. All she could find were old > injuries that looked like a car accident may have hit him in > the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to > be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder > area. She doesn't think they would be the cause of > pain now...but both injuries tell something of the first > year or two of his life. > > I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the > episodes. > > As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at > night, while the cat and dog and I share a bedwhen he > freaks out at night- it sets off a chain reaction of the > other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and > chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up > and calms down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't > complained yet!). (Not to mentionI've gotten > kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or more of > the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors. > > Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's > on-going? > > Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time? > (He's been an indoor only cat for 3 years nowand while > the dreams do seem to be getting lessat the current > rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they > are gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-) > > Thanks, > Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim > (grey tabby) > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
Tamara, I've never seen it in cats...but I HAVE seen it in peopleyou feel totally helpless to help, I'm sure. How about something like amytriptaline before bedtime? You can have it compounded into a transdemal application (where you just rub the prescribed amount into the inside of the ear so it's not as traumatic as pilling. I will be anxiously awaiting input here from others...poor little fellow Debbie (COL) "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle" Philo > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:37:33 -0800 > From: tlstick...@yahoo.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? > > Hello all, > > This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat > care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone > would have an answer for me. > > I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago. Had him neutered and vetted. He > had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections > -which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder > additive to his food. He used to be very aggressive towards other cats > (something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for) > and he truly believes himself to be a dog. He has no fear at ALL of people, > cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into his > crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!). > But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the > household: he has night terrors. > > Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm > not home & at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can > be allowed to sleep with us. Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares > where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH) from a > dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of > furniture- hard enough to wake him up. Then he sits all hunched up and > blinking for a few minutes. If I go to him he immediately starts to purr and > rolls over for a belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen times. > > I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something. > All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may have > hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to be 3 > bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area. She doesn't > think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell something > of the first year or two of his life. > > I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes. > > As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat > and dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a chain > reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and > chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms down > (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!). (Not to > mentionI've gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or > more of the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors. > > Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going? > > Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time? (He's been an indoor only > cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting lessat > the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are > gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-) > > Thanks, > Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby) > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/see-it-in-action/social-network-basics.aspx?ocid=PID23461::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-xm:SI_SB_1:092010 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
Tamara, I'm forwarding this individually to Mari as I know she has experience with this. She's on the list, but I think on digest and I want to make sure she sees this. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous From: tamara stickler To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:37:33 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat? Hello all, This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer for me. I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago. Had him neutered and vetted. He had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder additive to his food. He used to be very aggressive towards other cats (something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes himself to be a dog. He has no fear at ALL of people, cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!). But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household: he has night terrors. Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm not home & at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep with us. Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard enough to wake him up. Then he sits all hunched up and blinking for a few minutes. If I go to him he immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen times. I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something. All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may have hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area. She doesn't think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell something of the first year or two of his life. I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes. As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat and dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a chain reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!). (Not to mentionI've gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or more of the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors. Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going? Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time? (He's been an indoor only cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting lessat the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-) Thanks, Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
