Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
Not sure about cosequin for cats, but it's been around for years helping horses. It's one of the most popular supplements for horses out there.? I use Recover EQ for my horses because they have other issues, but many of my horse friends have used?cosequin for years and swear by it. Kathryn -Original Message- From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:17 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda I think the cosequin is supposed to help with phosphorous or potassium or something like that. Mine are pink and white too.? I dont know what the liver values are, but I listed everything that was out of range.? Bob is eating well and?his weight?is fine, ?but he HATES getting fluids.? He will take his norvasc in a pill pocket but he hates taking the cosequin because it's too big for one of those and I have to pill him. ? I checked out the crf site Beth sent and I'm going to look at methods of giving fluids and see if I can't figure out a better way to give them that will work.? I normally can barely get 50 in him at a time, and quite frankly have given up on them until I felt like he really needed them to get by. :( t Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ??? Hi Tonya, ? Lysine as far as I know isn't going to hurt his kidney's, never heard that Cosquin helps them, Fred gets this for his arthritis too.? He gets the pink and white capsules, my vet said I could go with 1 or 2 a day depending on how Fred's arthritis seemed to be.? He currently get 1 because he gets so much stuff now already, that seems to be enough for him.? They really need to be given everyday though, they take up to 6 weeks to make a difference.? I've never seen a BUN that low if it is correct, what are his liver values like? Blood Urea Nitrogen (BUN) - Urea, which is normally excreted by the kidney, is a by-product of protein metabolism. High levels of BUN may be the result of a high protein diet, dehydration, ulcers in the digestive tract, kidney disease, or blockage of the normal flow of urine (from a crystal or mucus plug, for example). Low BUN levels can result from a low protein diet or liver disease. I wouldn't worry so much about the low protein diet, my vet said she didn't get them on that until the end stages when they were a lot worse than Bob is, Fred doesn't eat that stuff and he does fine.? He eats Fancy Feast, home cooked or baby food with supplements.? He has been CRF for over 2 years now and his last blood work like I said was really good, almost normal.? Mainly you want to keep the phosphorus under 6, mid 4's if good and the potassium solidly in the mid to high 4's.? Low potassium can cause back leg muscle weakness and isn't good for the heart.? I agree that 100cc of fluid a week is not going to do much good.? If Bob is dehydrated I would give him between 50 and 100cc a day, if he isn't he doesn't need any fluids.? Fred even when his numbers are low is dehydrated and needs 100cc a day. Fred has lost pretty much all the muscle in both back legs now, he still gets around OK just can't use them to scratch or anything else.? He is starting to lose a bit of weight so I have to really keep on him to eat, he is getting lazy and if the food is not right there in front of him he will go without, so I have to remember to make sure he has food wherever he is laying. It's almost time for more blood work, kind of afraid of what it is going to say though, it was really good last time, so I hope it is still good. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.comHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.comForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
Hey Belinda, This has been lost in cyberspace several times. I'm hoping it comes through with the new server. Bob's numbers: creatnine 2.5 bun 16 phosphorus 4.5 potassium 4.1 HCT 37.9 Other numbers that were noted as high were: urea nitrogen 40 cholesterol 269 amylase 1440 we have put him on the new science diet kd canned (it has a better consistency and it is the only one out of about 4 we've tried that he will eat.) 100 mL of fluid per week. and yes, he has high blood pressure and we have him on norvasc 2.5 mg daily plus the vet has recommended cosequin for joints and said it actually helps the kidneys (i can't read the dosage it's written so small on the capsules and i can't find the box. i have a hard time getting them down him though so he doesn't take them with much regularity.) how does all of this sound to you. I need to put lysine in the wet food for sneaker's herpes. the vet said this would not hurt bob's kidneys. what do you think about that? tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
Tonya, is that a typo for Bob's BUN value? Just very low for a CRF kitty with a Crea of 2.6. You will want to read and bookmark Tanya's web site. www.felineCRF.org SubQ fluids are usually given to maintain adequate hydration. Weekly fluids probably don't help much on that score. Usually kitties are no longer able to maintain adequate hydration when the Crea value gets to the high 3's but each kitty is different and requires a unique treatment plan. All of Bob's other values look good. The best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phosphorus food he'll eat. Sharyl Sissy Rocket and Daisy's babies --- On Tue, 7/15/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:15 AM Hey Belinda, This has been lost in cyberspace several times. I'm hoping it comes through with the new server. Bob's numbers: creatnine 2.5 bun 16 phosphorus 4.5 potassium 4.1 HCT 37.9 Other numbers that were noted as high were: urea nitrogen 40 cholesterol 269 amylase 1440 we have put him on the new science diet kd canned (it has a better consistency and it is the only one out of about 4 we've tried that he will eat.) 100 mL of fluid per week. and yes, he has high blood pressure and we have him on norvasc 2.5 mg daily plus the vet has recommended cosequin for joints and said it actually helps the kidneys (i can't read the dosage it's written so small on the capsules and i can't find the box. i have a hard time getting them down him though so he doesn't take them with much regularity.) how does all of this sound to you. I need to put lysine in the wet food for sneaker's herpes. the vet said this would not hurt bob's kidneys. what do you think about that? tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
Tonya -- re the cosequin, we've been giving it to our senior guy Luc for several months now -- we get the capsules and sprinkle it into his wet food. He goes for the juicy part first so we try to get the cosequin powder mostly into the juice. He sucks it right up. ;-) Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda Tonya, is that a typo for Bob's BUN value? Just very low for a CRF kitty with a Crea of 2.6. You will want to read and bookmark Tanya's web site. www.felineCRF.org SubQ fluids are usually given to maintain adequate hydration. Weekly fluids probably don't help much on that score. Usually kitties are no longer able to maintain adequate hydration when the Crea value gets to the high 3's but each kitty is different and requires a unique treatment plan. All of Bob's other values look good. The best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phosphorus food he'll eat. Sharyl Sissy Rocket and Daisy's babies --- On Tue, 7/15/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:15 AM Hey Belinda, This has been lost in cyberspace several times. I'm hoping it comes through with the new server. Bob's numbers: creatnine 2.5 bun 16 phosphorus 4.5 potassium 4.1 HCT 37.9 Other numbers that were noted as high were: urea nitrogen 40 cholesterol 269 amylase 1440 we have put him on the new science diet kd canned (it has a better consistency and it is the only one out of about 4 we've tried that he will eat.) 100 mL of fluid per week. and yes, he has high blood pressure and we have him on norvasc 2.5 mg daily plus the vet has recommended cosequin for joints and said it actually helps the kidneys (i can't read the dosage it's written so small on the capsules and i can't find the box. i have a hard time getting them down him though so he doesn't take them with much regularity.) how does all of this sound to you. I need to put lysine in the wet food for sneaker's herpes. the vet said this would not hurt bob's kidneys. what do you think about that? tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
Hi Tonya, Sounds like Bob is having problems very similar to what we are now going through with Will Feral. He began spraying a few weeks ago, blood has been in the urine off and on. X-ray was clear, urinalysis had no crystals, good ph, no blockage. Dx was interstitial cystitis. He did 2 weeks of Clavamox with no improvement. He is now on a glucosamine/chondroitin drug made for cats. It's called Dasuquin, it also has avacado/soybean unsaponifables added to it, probably just something to make it unique and patentable and doubly expensive. I mix 2 capsules with a tablespoon of Fancy Feast every morning and he scarfs it down. Didn't seem to be helping so the vet has added 1 more drug, Elavil (Amitriptyline) 5mg per day by pill popper. It is an anti-depressant but is also supposed to have anti-inflammatory properties. 4 days into it he still had bloody urine, we're at 1 week now, haven't seen any puddles in a couple of days, but he may just be hiding his squatting better. He's still playing fetch with his mouse and eating well. We haven't done the prescription food yet as it is difficult to feed it to just one of 5. I have decreased the amount of dry food they all get and have increased the wet. I also read some good tips somewhere (maybe I got the link here?) on getting them to drink more water. I now leave a bowl on the end table by the couch where he always tries to steal sips from my glass. They all love drinking at that spot now. I put the L-lysine into this water. Here are Will's blood values for comparison: Creatnine - 2.1(0.8-2.4) *HIGH NORMAL Bun - 35 (16-36) *HIGH NORMAL Na - 162 mmol/L (150-165) K - 4 mmol/L (3.5-5.8) Cl - 120 mmol/L (112-129) HCT - 37.4 (30-45) I'll holler if the Elavil, (or anything else) seems to work. Kind regards, Beth, Blue, Moxie. Dash, Scooter, and Will Feral ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
Hi Tonya, Lysine as far as I know isn't going to hurt his kidney's, never heard that Cosquin helps them, Fred gets this for his arthritis too. He gets the pink and white capsules, my vet said I could go with 1 or 2 a day depending on how Fred's arthritis seemed to be. He currently get 1 because he gets so much stuff now already, that seems to be enough for him. They really need to be given everyday though, they take up to 6 weeks to make a difference. I've never seen a BUN that low if it is correct, *what are his liver values like*? * Blood Urea Nitrogen (BUN) - Urea, which is normally excreted by the kidney, is a by-product of protein metabolism. 1. High levels of BUN may be the result of a high protein diet, dehydration, ulcers in the digestive tract, kidney disease, or blockage of the normal flow of urine (from a crystal or mucus plug, for example). 2. Low BUN levels can result from a low protein diet or liver disease. I wouldn't worry so much about the low protein diet, my vet said she didn't get them on that until the end stages when they were a lot worse than Bob is, Fred doesn't eat that stuff and he does fine. He eats Fancy Feast, home cooked or baby food with supplements. He has been CRF for over 2 years now and his last blood work like I said was really good, almost normal. Mainly you want to keep the phosphorus under 6, mid 4's if good and the potassium solidly in the mid to high 4's. Low potassium can cause back leg muscle weakness and isn't good for the heart. I agree that 100cc of fluid a week is not going to do much good. If Bob is dehydrated I would give him between 50 and 100cc a day, if he isn't he doesn't need any fluids. Fred even when his numbers are low is dehydrated and needs 100cc a day. Fred has lost pretty much all the muscle in both back legs now, he still gets around OK just can't use them to scratch or anything else. He is starting to lose a bit of weight so I have to really keep on him to eat, he is getting lazy and if the food is not right there in front of him he will go without, so I have to remember to make sure he has food wherever he is laying. It's almost time for more blood work, kind of afraid of what it is going to say though, it was really good last time, so I hope it is still good. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
The doctor recommended 100 cc twice a week or as much as I could do it. Bob is NOT cooperative at all with the fluids. t Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, is that a typo for Bob's BUN value? Just very low for a CRF kitty with a Crea of 2.6. You will want to read and bookmark Tanya's web site. www.felineCRF.org SubQ fluids are usually given to maintain adequate hydration. Weekly fluids probably don't help much on that score. Usually kitties are no longer able to maintain adequate hydration when the Crea value gets to the high 3's but each kitty is different and requires a unique treatment plan. All of Bob's other values look good. The best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phosphorus food he'll eat. Sharyl Sissy Rocket and Daisy's babies --- On Tue, 7/15/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:15 AM Hey Belinda, This has been lost in cyberspace several times. I'm hoping it comes through with the new server. Bob's numbers: creatnine 2.5 bun 16 phosphorus 4.5 potassium 4.1 HCT 37.9 Other numbers that were noted as high were: urea nitrogen 40 cholesterol 269 amylase 1440 we have put him on the new science diet kd canned (it has a better consistency and it is the only one out of about 4 we've tried that he will eat.) 100 mL of fluid per week. and yes, he has high blood pressure and we have him on norvasc 2.5 mg daily plus the vet has recommended cosequin for joints and said it actually helps the kidneys (i can't read the dosage it's written so small on the capsules and i can't find the box. i have a hard time getting them down him though so he doesn't take them with much regularity.) how does all of this sound to you. I need to put lysine in the wet food for sneaker's herpes. the vet said this would not hurt bob's kidneys. what do you think about that? tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
It says BUN/Creatinine Ratio = 16 creatinine=2.5 no plain ole BUN... also platelet count is 199 (low) and says clumps are detected leading to a lower count than is probably accurate. thanks for link. t Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, is that a typo for Bob's BUN value? Just very low for a CRF kitty with a Crea of 2.6. You will want to read and bookmark Tanya's web site. www.felineCRF.org SubQ fluids are usually given to maintain adequate hydration. Weekly fluids probably don't help much on that score. Usually kitties are no longer able to maintain adequate hydration when the Crea value gets to the high 3's but each kitty is different and requires a unique treatment plan. All of Bob's other values look good. The best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phosphorus food he'll eat. Sharyl Sissy Rocket and Daisy's babies --- On Tue, 7/15/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:15 AM Hey Belinda, This has been lost in cyberspace several times. I'm hoping it comes through with the new server. Bob's numbers: creatnine 2.5 bun 16 phosphorus 4.5 potassium 4.1 HCT 37.9 Other numbers that were noted as high were: urea nitrogen 40 cholesterol 269 amylase 1440 we have put him on the new science diet kd canned (it has a better consistency and it is the only one out of about 4 we've tried that he will eat.) 100 mL of fluid per week. and yes, he has high blood pressure and we have him on norvasc 2.5 mg daily plus the vet has recommended cosequin for joints and said it actually helps the kidneys (i can't read the dosage it's written so small on the capsules and i can't find the box. i have a hard time getting them down him though so he doesn't take them with much regularity.) how does all of this sound to you. I need to put lysine in the wet food for sneaker's herpes. the vet said this would not hurt bob's kidneys. what do you think about that? tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
Bob also had a kidney infection at the time and was put on antibiotics. This has since cleared up. tonya Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, is that a typo for Bob's BUN value? Just very low for a CRF kitty with a Crea of 2.6. You will want to read and bookmark Tanya's web site. www.felineCRF.org SubQ fluids are usually given to maintain adequate hydration. Weekly fluids probably don't help much on that score. Usually kitties are no longer able to maintain adequate hydration when the Crea value gets to the high 3's but each kitty is different and requires a unique treatment plan. All of Bob's other values look good. The best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phosphorus food he'll eat. Sharyl Sissy Rocket and Daisy's babies --- On Tue, 7/15/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:15 AM Hey Belinda, This has been lost in cyberspace several times. I'm hoping it comes through with the new server. Bob's numbers: creatnine 2.5 bun 16 phosphorus 4.5 potassium 4.1 HCT 37.9 Other numbers that were noted as high were: urea nitrogen 40 cholesterol 269 amylase 1440 we have put him on the new science diet kd canned (it has a better consistency and it is the only one out of about 4 we've tried that he will eat.) 100 mL of fluid per week. and yes, he has high blood pressure and we have him on norvasc 2.5 mg daily plus the vet has recommended cosequin for joints and said it actually helps the kidneys (i can't read the dosage it's written so small on the capsules and i can't find the box. i have a hard time getting them down him though so he doesn't take them with much regularity.) how does all of this sound to you. I need to put lysine in the wet food for sneaker's herpes. the vet said this would not hurt bob's kidneys. what do you think about that? tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
Found Bun. It is 40. Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tonya, is that a typo for Bob's BUN value? Just very low for a CRF kitty with a Crea of 2.6. You will want to read and bookmark Tanya's web site. www.felineCRF.org SubQ fluids are usually given to maintain adequate hydration. Weekly fluids probably don't help much on that score. Usually kitties are no longer able to maintain adequate hydration when the Crea value gets to the high 3's but each kitty is different and requires a unique treatment plan. All of Bob's other values look good. The best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phosphorus food he'll eat. Sharyl Sissy Rocket and Daisy's babies --- On Tue, 7/15/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:15 AM Hey Belinda, This has been lost in cyberspace several times. I'm hoping it comes through with the new server. Bob's numbers: creatnine 2.5 bun 16 phosphorus 4.5 potassium 4.1 HCT 37.9 Other numbers that were noted as high were: urea nitrogen 40 cholesterol 269 amylase 1440 we have put him on the new science diet kd canned (it has a better consistency and it is the only one out of about 4 we've tried that he will eat.) 100 mL of fluid per week. and yes, he has high blood pressure and we have him on norvasc 2.5 mg daily plus the vet has recommended cosequin for joints and said it actually helps the kidneys (i can't read the dosage it's written so small on the capsules and i can't find the box. i have a hard time getting them down him though so he doesn't take them with much regularity.) how does all of this sound to you. I need to put lysine in the wet food for sneaker's herpes. the vet said this would not hurt bob's kidneys. what do you think about that? tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
Thanks Beth, Bob has always had problems with his kidneys/bladder. He had surgery for bladder stones at a young age. He tested positive for felv when he was young and then later tested negative. He has constantly had blood in his urine, has had bladder, kidney infections, etc.. his entire life. He's around 15 now. He's my old buddy. We have ALL (up to 15 at times) had to eat prescription diets since Bob had bladderstones. lol. We were all on Royal Canin S/O, but we've recently switched to science diet kd canned and dry (mostly canned). t Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya, Sounds like Bob is having problems very similar to what we are now going through with Will Feral. He began spraying a few weeks ago, blood has been in the urine off and on. X-ray was clear, urinalysis had no crystals, good ph, no blockage. Dx was interstitial cystitis. He did 2 weeks of Clavamox with no improvement. He is now on a glucosamine/chondroitin drug made for cats. It's called Dasuquin, it also has avacado/soybean unsaponifables added to it, probably just something to make it unique and patentable and doubly expensive. I mix 2 capsules with a tablespoon of Fancy Feast every morning and he scarfs it down. Didn't seem to be helping so the vet has added 1 more drug, Elavil (Amitriptyline) 5mg per day by pill popper. It is an anti-depressant but is also supposed to have anti-inflammatory properties. 4 days into it he still had bloody urine, we're at 1 week now, haven't seen any puddles in a couple of days, but he may just be hiding his squatting better. He's still playing fetch with his mouse and eating well. We haven't done the prescription food yet as it is difficult to feed it to just one of 5. I have decreased the amount of dry food they all get and have increased the wet. I also read some good tips somewhere (maybe I got the link here?) on getting them to drink more water. I now leave a bowl on the end table by the couch where he always tries to steal sips from my glass. They all love drinking at that spot now. I put the L-lysine into this water. Here are Will's blood values for comparison: Creatnine - 2.1(0.8-2.4) *HIGH NORMAL Bun - 35 (16-36) *HIGH NORMAL Na - 162 mmol/L (150-165) K - 4 mmol/L (3.5-5.8) Cl - 120 mmol/L (112-129) HCT - 37.4 (30-45) I'll holler if the Elavil, (or anything else) seems to work. Kind regards, Beth, Blue, Moxie. Dash, Scooter, and Will Feral ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda
I think the cosequin is supposed to help with phosphorous or potassium or something like that. Mine are pink and white too. I dont know what the liver values are, but I listed everything that was out of range. Bob is eating well and his weight is fine, but he HATES getting fluids. He will take his norvasc in a pill pocket but he hates taking the cosequin because it's too big for one of those and I have to pill him. I checked out the crf site Beth sent and I'm going to look at methods of giving fluids and see if I can't figure out a better way to give them that will work. I normally can barely get 50 in him at a time, and quite frankly have given up on them until I felt like he really needed them to get by. :( t Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya, Lysine as far as I know isn't going to hurt his kidney's, never heard that Cosquin helps them, Fred gets this for his arthritis too. He gets the pink and white capsules, my vet said I could go with 1 or 2 a day depending on how Fred's arthritis seemed to be. He currently get 1 because he gets so much stuff now already, that seems to be enough for him. They really need to be given everyday though, they take up to 6 weeks to make a difference. I've never seen a BUN that low if it is correct, what are his liver values like? Blood Urea Nitrogen (BUN) - Urea, which is normally excreted by the kidney, is a by-product of protein metabolism. High levels of BUN may be the result of a high protein diet, dehydration, ulcers in the digestive tract, kidney disease, or blockage of the normal flow of urine (from a crystal or mucus plug, for example). Low BUN levels can result from a low protein diet or liver disease. I wouldn't worry so much about the low protein diet, my vet said she didn't get them on that until the end stages when they were a lot worse than Bob is, Fred doesn't eat that stuff and he does fine. He eats Fancy Feast, home cooked or baby food with supplements. He has been CRF for over 2 years now and his last blood work like I said was really good, almost normal. Mainly you want to keep the phosphorus under 6, mid 4's if good and the potassium solidly in the mid to high 4's. Low potassium can cause back leg muscle weakness and isn't good for the heart. I agree that 100cc of fluid a week is not going to do much good. If Bob is dehydrated I would give him between 50 and 100cc a day, if he isn't he doesn't need any fluids. Fred even when his numbers are low is dehydrated and needs 100cc a day. Fred has lost pretty much all the muscle in both back legs now, he still gets around OK just can't use them to scratch or anything else. He is starting to lose a bit of weight so I have to really keep on him to eat, he is getting lazy and if the food is not right there in front of him he will go without, so I have to remember to make sure he has food wherever he is laying. It's almost time for more blood work, kind of afraid of what it is going to say though, it was really good last time, so I hope it is still good. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.comHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.comForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That makes more sense. Here is a link on giving Sub Q fluids that has really helped me. Sophia Gets Her Subcutaneous (Sub Q) Fluids http://www.tinyurl.com/63max Good luck Sharyl --- On Tue, 7/15/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 2:58 PM Found Bun. It is 40. Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, is that a typo for Bob's BUN value? Just very low for a CRF kitty with a Crea of 2.6. You will want to read and bookmark Tanya's web site. www.felineCRF.org SubQ fluids are usually given to maintain adequate hydration. Weekly fluids probably don't help much on that score. Usually kitties are no longer able to maintain adequate hydration when the Crea value gets to the high 3's but each kitty is different and requires a unique treatment plan. All of Bob's other values look good. The best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phosphorus food he'll eat. Sharyl Sissy Rocket and Daisy's babies --- On Tue, 7/15/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] crf-Belinda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:15 AM Hey Belinda, This has been lost in cyberspace several times. I'm hoping it comes through with the new server. Bob's numbers: creatnine 2.5 bun 16 phosphorus 4.5 potassium 4.1 HCT 37.9 Other numbers that were noted as high were: urea nitrogen 40 cholesterol 269 amylase 1440 we have put him on the new science diet kd canned (it has a better consistency and it is the only one out of about 4 we've tried that he will eat.) 100 mL of fluid per week. and yes, he has high blood pressure and we have him on norvasc 2.5 mg daily plus the vet has recommended cosequin for joints and said it actually helps the kidneys (i can't read the dosage it's written so small on the capsules and i can't find the box. i have a hard time getting them down him though so he doesn't take them with much regularity.) how does all of this sound to you. I need to put lysine in the wet food for sneaker's herpes. the vet said this would not hurt bob's kidneys. what do you think about that? tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I took Bob to the vet yesterday, and they are running all his bloodwork again. I go back next week to see results and check blood pressure. He is already on the norvasc and has blood in his urine. This second doctor I saw didn't think his bloodwork showed signs of crf, but wanted to run bloodwork to look for changes since november when it was last run. I will get copies when I go in. He put Bob on amoxy for the blood in his urine and put him on cosequin, which he said can help somehow with either the kidneys or the bladder. I don't recall which. He suggested keeping him on amoxy for a while, because Bob got so sick last time I put him on Baytril. He also suggested probiotics, but wants to wait for all test results first. I will get a copy of the bloodwork from november and from yesterday. Popeye, the last cat I lost was on Norvasc and lost his eyesight. He also had a heart murmur. t Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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I will get a copy of them and send you the numbers. I've got to speak to the new vet tomorrow about Bob's paperwork and get his prescription filled for the blood pressure. t Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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I will get a copy of them and send you the numbers. I've got to speak to the new vet tomorrow about Bob's paperwork and get his prescription filled for the blood pressure. t Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are his numbers, specifically his Creatinine, BUN, Phosphorus, Potassium, and his HCT, these are the important ones that tell you how well or not well he is doing? Get them from your vet, they can fax or give you a copy of his last blood work results, you paid for them they are yours. Tell me what they are and I can tell you what my vet would be doing if Fred had those numbers. Also has his blood pressure been checked, CRF cats are notorious for getting high blood pressure, this can be very dangerous and cause blindness if not caught and treated. Several cats on the CRF list have gone blind been put on amlodipine and regained some if not all of their sight. The retinas detach when the blood pressure gets too high, too high can vary for each individual cat but you really don't want the blood pressure higher than 170 or 180 at the vets. Fred's has been as high as 200 to 240 when he was having the episode that I took him in for right away, thankfully his retinas never detached but I got him in right away when his legs were twitching and he kind of looked spacey and fell over. Get the numbers and send them ... does he still get fluids? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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I don't have a copy of his bloodwork, but it is in very, very, early stages. The vet wanted to try him on something 'new' and sent a test to Michigan State university. I have had to change vets again. :( so I'm hoping this new vet will follow through with that. She has recommended I start him on fluids weekly only at this time, but he will not stand for them. he also has high blood pressure and is on the amlodipine. I was hoping you knew something about the medication that that the previous vet was talking about (that she sent bloodwork to michigan state for) was something you might know about. I don't know how much you've kept up with my vet saga. But I found a really good vet, BUT she wouldn't do ANY procedures in the room. wanted to take Bob back for EVERYTHING. So I switched to the vet who has a child in my class and guess what? he knew that vet and didn't like her. He said the stuff about not allowing people into the back if they wanted to be with their animals was b.s. and had nothing to do with insurance. hinted that this new vet might not be the nicest behind closed doors. so I switched to him... but he's not as 'cutting edge' on things as she was. also have had a dog with a broken foot going on 8 weeks now, plus sneakers' herpes or whatever it is... so I haven't got Bob back in. t Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya, Fred gets, Nutrived which is a liquid for his slight anemia, he gets a potassium supplement (potassium gluconate powder that I put in capsules, he gets 4 a day) and he gets phosphorus binders because his phosphorus was too high, we've got it down again and he gets Marrow Plus (this is for anemia and energy, not sure if this is really doing much, his HCT has stayed at 28%, just low for months so it may be helping) and amlodipine and benazipril for high blood pressure. He just had his last blood work a week ago and all his number were very good, there has been a big improvement. We started him on benazapril in addition to his amlodipine for high blood pressure and his numbers shot up. They are almost normal again and benazapril is known to make the numbers go higher initially when started. He's also been on an antibiotics and eye goop for a urinary tract infection and conguntivitis in his eye this last week. I took him in last week because I could tell he wasn't feeling well. We go in this morning to check on those two things and recheck his blood pressure, forgot last week. My vet is thrilled that his numbers have come down so much. He also gets 150ml of fluid daily. Fred gets pills 5 or 6 times a day and we have it down to a routine now, he is pretty good about it. He doesn't love it but he knows it is going to happen so he just lets me do it, I think he realizes he feels better too, especially after his fluids. Do you have blood work you can send me for your possible CRF kitty? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.comHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.comForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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by the way the previous vet did recommend 150 mL of fluids per week for right now. I've also put him on all wet food. It's a pain not to have someone to call my vet! Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tonya, Fred gets, Nutrived which is a liquid for his slight anemia, he gets a potassium supplement (potassium gluconate powder that I put in capsules, he gets 4 a day) and he gets phosphorus binders because his phosphorus was too high, we've got it down again and he gets Marrow Plus (this is for anemia and energy, not sure if this is really doing much, his HCT has stayed at 28%, just low for months so it may be helping) and amlodipine and benazipril for high blood pressure. He just had his last blood work a week ago and all his number were very good, there has been a big improvement. We started him on benazapril in addition to his amlodipine for high blood pressure and his numbers shot up. They are almost normal again and benazapril is known to make the numbers go higher initially when started. He's also been on an antibiotics and eye goop for a urinary tract infection and conguntivitis in his eye this last week. I took him in last week because I could tell he wasn't feeling well. We go in this morning to check on those two things and recheck his blood pressure, forgot last week. My vet is thrilled that his numbers have come down so much. He also gets 150ml of fluid daily. Fred gets pills 5 or 6 times a day and we have it down to a routine now, he is pretty good about it. He doesn't love it but he knows it is going to happen so he just lets me do it, I think he realizes he feels better too, especially after his fluids. Do you have blood work you can send me for your possible CRF kitty? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.comHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.comForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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Hi Tonya, Fred gets, *Nutrived* which is a liquid for his slight anemia, he gets a potassium supplement (*potassium gluconate powder* that I put in capsules, he gets 4 a day) and he gets *phosphorus binders* because his phosphorus was too high, we've got it down again and he gets *Marrow Plus* (this is for anemia and energy, not sure if this is really doing much, his HCT has stayed at 28%, just low for months so it may be helping) and *amlodipine* and *benazipril* for high blood pressure. He just had his last blood work a week ago and all his number were very good, there has been a big improvement. We started him on benazapril in addition to his amlodipine for high blood pressure and his numbers shot up. They are almost normal again and benazapril is known to make the numbers go higher initially when started. He's also been on an antibiotics and eye goop for a urinary tract infection and conguntivitis in his eye this last week. I took him in last week because I could tell he wasn't feeling well. We go in this morning to check on those two things and recheck his blood pressure, forgot last week. My vet is thrilled that his numbers have come down so much. He also gets 150ml of fluid daily. Fred gets pills 5 or 6 times a day and we have it down to a routine now, he is pretty good about it. He doesn't love it but he knows it is going to happen so he just lets me do it, I think he realizes he feels better too, especially after his fluids. Do you have blood work you can send me for your possible CRF kitty? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
