Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

2011-08-29 Thread Maureen Olvey

From the subject line I think we already talked about diatomaceous 
earth.  It's good stuff too.  I used it in conjunction with the 
nematodes and all of it together made a big difference.

Oh, nematodes can't handle the sun so put them in shady areas.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 22:55:36 -0500
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
 CC: molvey...@hotmail.com
 
 gOT TO TRY SOJE OF THOSE LITTLE GUYS!  With all the critters I have roaming 
 around my place, I need something.  Come to think of it, all the deer, 
 raccoons, possumn, etc. will prbably apprecite them too, also.  At least they 
 would not be dropping them off to get on my guys.
 
 
  Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: 
  
  They are just called beneficial nematodes and you can get them at some 
  nurseries.  I got some at Pike this year.  You can also order them from 
  online.  I ordered some from Amazon.  I haven't put those out yet so I can 
  testify to them.  I'm a little worried they didn't survive the trip through 
  the mail because they have to be kept cool and when I got the order in the 
  mail the ice bag was hot so they weren't kept cool the whole time they were 
  in the shipping process.  I'm going to put them out this weekend but I'm a 
  little leary.  But the first batch I got from Pike Nurseries in late spring 
  worked great.  Man did it cut down on the fleas and I didn't have those 
  little black ants coming in either.  I think I'll be putting them down 
  every year from now on.
  
  I'm not sure if they work on ticks.  Seems like they would if ticks spend a 
  lot of time on the ground.
  
  “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
  profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
  unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
  sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
  Twain
  
   From: ho...@sonic.net
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:15:53 -0700
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
   
   Wow, now I have to ask...Friendly Nematodes?
   What are they called  where do you get them!
   ~Bonnie
   
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
   Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:38 AM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
   
   No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly 
   nematodes around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the 
   cats.
   
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
   dlg...@windstream.net
   Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
   
   I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES.  
   
   It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place.  I had 
   been using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff 
   over a river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I 
   took Homey to vet for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood 
   also.  Vet gave her a long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to 
   her normal self, but they called and said she was loaded with seed ticks. 
I check them every time they come in and I never noticed any s now 
   everyone got a dose of tick treament.  I have since found a lot of them 
   on myself, seed and regular ticks.  Anyone else haeing a big problem with 
   them?
   
    Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: 
I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for 
dogs on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember 
watching an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal 
Planet where a cat died because someone used a flea product intended 
for dogs on it. So
*please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet 
first about adjusting the dosage.

Cindy  Angel Jackpot

From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400




It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just 
discussing it with my feline asthma group.

Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems.  I

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

2011-08-28 Thread dlgegg
gOT TO TRY SOJE OF THOSE LITTLE GUYS!  With all the critters I have roaming 
around my place, I need something.  Come to think of it, all the deer, 
raccoons, possumn, etc. will prbably apprecite them too, also.  At least they 
would not be dropping them off to get on my guys.


 Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 They are just called beneficial nematodes and you can get them at some 
 nurseries.  I got some at Pike this year.  You can also order them from 
 online.  I ordered some from Amazon.  I haven't put those out yet so I can 
 testify to them.  I'm a little worried they didn't survive the trip through 
 the mail because they have to be kept cool and when I got the order in the 
 mail the ice bag was hot so they weren't kept cool the whole time they were 
 in the shipping process.  I'm going to put them out this weekend but I'm a 
 little leary.  But the first batch I got from Pike Nurseries in late spring 
 worked great.  Man did it cut down on the fleas and I didn't have those 
 little black ants coming in either.  I think I'll be putting them down every 
 year from now on.
 
 I'm not sure if they work on ticks.  Seems like they would if ticks spend a 
 lot of time on the ground.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
  From: ho...@sonic.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:15:53 -0700
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
  
  Wow, now I have to ask...Friendly Nematodes?
  What are they called  where do you get them!
  ~Bonnie
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
  Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:38 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
  
  No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly nematodes 
  around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the cats.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
  dlg...@windstream.net
  Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
  
  I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES.  
  
  It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place.  I had 
  been using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over 
  a river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took 
  Homey to vet for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also.  
  Vet gave her a long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her 
  normal self, but they called and said she was loaded with seed ticks.  I 
  check them every time they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone 
  got a dose of tick treament.  I have since found a lot of them on myself, 
  seed and regular ticks.  Anyone else haeing a big problem with them?
  
   Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: 
   I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for 
   dogs on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember 
   watching an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal 
   Planet where a cat died because someone used a flea product intended 
   for dogs on it. So
   *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet 
   first about adjusting the dosage.
   
   Cindy  Angel Jackpot
   
   From: molvey...@hotmail.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
   Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400
   
   
   
   
   It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just 
   discussing it with my feline asthma group.
   
   Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems.  I have a 
   cat fence up so all my cats go in the backyard.  That is making things 
   ten times worse.  I've been using Revolution for several years now with 
   no problems.
   Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog 
   size and split it up between the cats.  I don't know if the Revolution 
   isn't working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for 
   fleas.  If you say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an 
   especially bad year.
   Some people in the other group were talking about how sometimes 
   switching products can help because either the fleas have built up a 
   tolerance to the current flea meds or maybe the cat's system is 
   processing the flea stuff differently because they've had it on them 
   for so long.  Who knows.  If you've been using Advantage maybe you 
   should

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

2011-08-26 Thread Natalie
I'll send the site where we order these little nematodes - but if a nursery
has them, great!  We used to get them from Dr. Goodpet.not sure, where we
get them now.  We are busily preparing for the hurricane.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

 

They are just called beneficial nematodes and you can get them at some
nurseries.  I got some at Pike this year.  You can also order them from
online.  I ordered some from Amazon.  I haven't put those out yet so I can
testify to them.  I'm a little worried they didn't survive the trip through
the mail because they have to be kept cool and when I got the order in the
mail the ice bag was hot so they weren't kept cool the whole time they were
in the shipping process.  I'm going to put them out this weekend but I'm a
little leary.  But the first batch I got from Pike Nurseries in late spring
worked great.  Man did it cut down on the fleas and I didn't have those
little black ants coming in either.  I think I'll be putting them down every
year from now on.

I'm not sure if they work on ticks.  Seems like they would if ticks spend a
lot of time on the ground.

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain

 From: ho...@sonic.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:15:53 -0700
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
 
 Wow, now I have to ask...Friendly Nematodes?
 What are they called  where do you get them!
 ~Bonnie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:38 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
 
 No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly nematodes
around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the cats.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
 
 I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES. 
 
 It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place. I had
been using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over
a river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took
Homey to vet for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also.
Vet gave her a long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal
self, but they called and said she was loaded with seed ticks. I check them
every time they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of
tick treament. I have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular
ticks. Anyone else haeing a big problem with them?
 
  Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: 
  I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for 
  dogs on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember 
  watching an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal 
  Planet where a cat died because someone used a flea product intended 
  for dogs on it. So
  *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet 
  first about adjusting the dosage.
  
  Cindy  Angel Jackpot
  
  From: molvey...@hotmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400
  
  
  
  
  It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just 
  discussing it with my feline asthma group.
  
  Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems. I have a 
  cat fence up so all my cats go in the backyard. That is making things 
  ten times worse. I've been using Revolution for several years now with
no problems.
  Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog 
  size and split it up between the cats. I don't know if the Revolution 
  isn't working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for 
  fleas. If you say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an
especially bad year.
  Some people in the other group were talking about how sometimes 
  switching products can help because either the fleas have built up a 
  tolerance to the current flea meds or maybe the cat's system is 
  processing the flea stuff differently because they've had it on them 
  for so long. Who knows. If you've been using Advantage maybe you 
  should try Revolution or Frontline

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

2011-08-26 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Natalie

Good luck with the hurricane!  I hope there is no damage and no frightened
cats!

~Bonnie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

 

I'll send the site where we order these little nematodes - but if a nursery
has them, great!  We used to get them from Dr. Goodpet.not sure, where we
get them now.  We are busily preparing for the hurricane.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

 

They are just called beneficial nematodes and you can get them at some
nurseries.  I got some at Pike this year.  You can also order them from
online.  I ordered some from Amazon.  I haven't put those out yet so I can
testify to them.  I'm a little worried they didn't survive the trip through
the mail because they have to be kept cool and when I got the order in the
mail the ice bag was hot so they weren't kept cool the whole time they were
in the shipping process.  I'm going to put them out this weekend but I'm a
little leary.  But the first batch I got from Pike Nurseries in late spring
worked great.  Man did it cut down on the fleas and I didn't have those
little black ants coming in either.  I think I'll be putting them down every
year from now on.

I'm not sure if they work on ticks.  Seems like they would if ticks spend a
lot of time on the ground.

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain

 From: ho...@sonic.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:15:53 -0700
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
 
 Wow, now I have to ask...Friendly Nematodes?
 What are they called  where do you get them!
 ~Bonnie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:38 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
 
 No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly nematodes
around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the cats.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
 
 I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES. 
 
 It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place. I had
been using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over
a river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took
Homey to vet for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also.
Vet gave her a long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal
self, but they called and said she was loaded with seed ticks. I check them
every time they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of
tick treament. I have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular
ticks. Anyone else haeing a big problem with them?
 
  Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: 
  I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for 
  dogs on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember 
  watching an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal 
  Planet where a cat died because someone used a flea product intended 
  for dogs on it. So
  *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet 
  first about adjusting the dosage.
  
  Cindy  Angel Jackpot
  
  From: molvey...@hotmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400
  
  
  
  
  It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just 
  discussing it with my feline asthma group.
  
  Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems. I have a 
  cat fence up so all my cats go in the backyard. That is making things 
  ten times worse. I've been using Revolution for several years now with
no problems.
  Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog 
  size and split it up between the cats. I don't know if the Revolution 
  isn't working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for 
  fleas. If you say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an
especially bad year.
  Some people in the other group were

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

2011-08-25 Thread dlgegg
I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES.  

It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place.  I had been 
using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over a river 
and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took Homey to vet 
for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also.  Vet gave her a 
long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but they 
called and said she was loaded with seed ticks.  I check them every time they 
come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of tick treament.  I 
have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular ticks.  Anyone else 
haeing a big problem with them?

 Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: 
 I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for dogs 
 on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember watching 
 an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal Planet where a 
 cat died because someone used a flea product intended for dogs on it. So 
 *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet first 
 about adjusting the dosage.
 
 Cindy  Angel Jackpot
 
 From: molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400
 
 
 
 
 It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just 
 discussing it with my feline asthma group.
 
 Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems.  I have a cat 
 fence up so all my cats go in the backyard.  That is making things ten times 
 worse.  I've been using Revolution for several years now with no problems. 
 Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog size 
 and split it up between the cats.  I don't know if the Revolution isn't 
 working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for fleas.  If you 
 say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an especially bad year. 
 Some people in the other group were talking about how sometimes switching 
 products can help because either the fleas have built up a tolerance to the 
 current flea meds or maybe the cat's system is processing the flea stuff 
 differently because they've had it on them for so long.  Who knows.  If 
 you've been using Advantage maybe you should try Revolution or Frontline 
 Plus.  I believe Frontline Plus kills fleas and larvae so it kills and 
 breaks the life cycle so that might be a good one too.  I hate using all 
 these chemicals on my cats but there's no way around it for me because I've 
 got so many plus a few ferals that live here that I can't touch.
 
 I've never sprayed my yard but since this year is so bad I've got to do 
 something.  I'm trying to go natural first because like everyone else is 
 saying all these chemicals for yards say don't get on skin, don't get in 
 eyes, don't inhale, etc. etc. and keep pets and children off until it dries 
 and that really scares me.  If my cats didn't go out I'd spray the yard with 
 every poison I could find because I hate the fleas so bad.  But since they 
 do, for now I'm trying the beneficial nematodes and I just bought the food 
 grade diatomaceous earth.  I've been using Flea Stoppers in the house which 
 is a borax type of product.  Well, I just sprayed the nematodes last week so 
 I can't tell if they're working yet because they just eat larvae so they 
 don't kill adult fleas so it'll take a while to make a difference.  But if 
 anyone wants to try them I got them at Pike's nursery for $39.95.  I think 
 you can order them online also.  I don't remember if the nematodes do 
 anything for ticks.
 
 The diatomaceous earth I got from a local feed store.  It's the food grade 
 and a lot cheaper than ordering online, so if any of you are thinking of 
 trying it check your feed stores first.  I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and 
 this stuff will last forever.  I can't believe how little it takes.  I 
 didn't need a bag that big but that's all she had.  I'm using it outside to 
 try to hopefully kill the adult fleas and putting a little in my cat's 
 coats.  It's very very very dusty so you definitely need a mask on when 
 messing wtih it.  I am hesistant about using it in the house because it is 
 so so dusty.  That's why I went with the borax inside in the carpets.  I did 
 put the diatomaceous earth on the cat trees and their bedding though.  The 
 DE is the consistency of flour.  Feels just like it and is dusty just like 
 it.  I put some on some of my cats and when they shake you can see a dust 
 cloud around them.  So for now I'm glad I didn't put it everywhere in the 
 house.  I think the Flea Stoppers with the borox has helped but I'm also 
 vacuuming every couple of days which makes a big difference.  I've put the 
 diatomaceous earth on several of my cat's then checked them when they come 
 in from outside.  They are still coming in with fleas but I don't think it 
 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

2011-08-25 Thread Natalie
No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly nematodes 
around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the cats.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES.  

It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place.  I had been 
using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over a river 
and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took Homey to vet 
for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also.  Vet gave her a 
long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but they 
called and said she was loaded with seed ticks.  I check them every time they 
come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of tick treament.  I 
have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular ticks.  Anyone else 
haeing a big problem with them?

 Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: 
 I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for dogs 
 on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember watching 
 an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal Planet where a 
 cat died because someone used a flea product intended for dogs on it. So 
 *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet first 
 about adjusting the dosage.
 
 Cindy  Angel Jackpot
 
 From: molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400
 
 
 
 
 It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just 
 discussing it with my feline asthma group.
 
 Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems.  I have a cat 
 fence up so all my cats go in the backyard.  That is making things ten times 
 worse.  I've been using Revolution for several years now with no problems. 
 Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog size 
 and split it up between the cats.  I don't know if the Revolution isn't 
 working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for fleas.  If you 
 say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an especially bad year. 
 Some people in the other group were talking about how sometimes switching 
 products can help because either the fleas have built up a tolerance to the 
 current flea meds or maybe the cat's system is processing the flea stuff 
 differently because they've had it on them for so long.  Who knows.  If 
 you've been using Advantage maybe you should try Revolution or Frontline 
 Plus.  I believe Frontline Plus kills fleas and larvae so it kills and 
 breaks the life cycle so that might be a good one too.  I hate using all 
 these chemicals on my cats but there's no way around it for me because I've 
 got so many plus a few ferals that live here that I can't touch.
 
 I've never sprayed my yard but since this year is so bad I've got to do 
 something.  I'm trying to go natural first because like everyone else is 
 saying all these chemicals for yards say don't get on skin, don't get in 
 eyes, don't inhale, etc. etc. and keep pets and children off until it dries 
 and that really scares me.  If my cats didn't go out I'd spray the yard with 
 every poison I could find because I hate the fleas so bad.  But since they 
 do, for now I'm trying the beneficial nematodes and I just bought the food 
 grade diatomaceous earth.  I've been using Flea Stoppers in the house which 
 is a borax type of product.  Well, I just sprayed the nematodes last week so 
 I can't tell if they're working yet because they just eat larvae so they 
 don't kill adult fleas so it'll take a while to make a difference.  But if 
 anyone wants to try them I got them at Pike's nursery for $39.95.  I think 
 you can order them online also.  I don't remember if the nematodes do 
 anything for ticks.
 
 The diatomaceous earth I got from a local feed store.  It's the food grade 
 and a lot cheaper than ordering online, so if any of you are thinking of 
 trying it check your feed stores first.  I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and 
 this stuff will last forever.  I can't believe how little it takes.  I 
 didn't need a bag that big but that's all she had.  I'm using it outside to 
 try to hopefully kill the adult fleas and putting a little in my cat's 
 coats.  It's very very very dusty so you definitely need a mask on when 
 messing wtih it.  I am hesistant about using it in the house because it is 
 so so dusty.  That's why I went with the borax inside in the carpets.  I did 
 put the diatomaceous earth on the cat trees and their bedding though.  The 
 DE is the consistency of flour.  Feels just like it and is dusty just like 
 it.  I put some on some of my

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

2011-08-25 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Wow, now I have to ask...Friendly Nematodes?
What are they called  where do you get them!
~Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly nematodes 
around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the cats.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES.  

It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place.  I had been 
using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over a river 
and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took Homey to vet 
for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also.  Vet gave her a 
long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but they 
called and said she was loaded with seed ticks.  I check them every time they 
come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of tick treament.  I 
have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular ticks.  Anyone else 
haeing a big problem with them?

 Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: 
 I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for 
 dogs on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember 
 watching an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal 
 Planet where a cat died because someone used a flea product intended 
 for dogs on it. So
 *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet 
 first about adjusting the dosage.
 
 Cindy  Angel Jackpot
 
 From: molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
 Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400
 
 
 
 
 It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just 
 discussing it with my feline asthma group.
 
 Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems.  I have a 
 cat fence up so all my cats go in the backyard.  That is making things 
 ten times worse.  I've been using Revolution for several years now with no 
 problems.
 Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog 
 size and split it up between the cats.  I don't know if the Revolution 
 isn't working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for 
 fleas.  If you say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an especially 
 bad year.
 Some people in the other group were talking about how sometimes 
 switching products can help because either the fleas have built up a 
 tolerance to the current flea meds or maybe the cat's system is 
 processing the flea stuff differently because they've had it on them 
 for so long.  Who knows.  If you've been using Advantage maybe you 
 should try Revolution or Frontline Plus.  I believe Frontline Plus 
 kills fleas and larvae so it kills and breaks the life cycle so that 
 might be a good one too.  I hate using all these chemicals on my cats 
 but there's no way around it for me because I've got so many plus a few 
 ferals that live here that I can't touch.
 
 I've never sprayed my yard but since this year is so bad I've got to 
 do something.  I'm trying to go natural first because like everyone 
 else is saying all these chemicals for yards say don't get on skin, 
 don't get in eyes, don't inhale, etc. etc. and keep pets and children off 
 until it dries
 and that really scares me.  If my cats didn't go out I'd spray the 
 yard with every poison I could find because I hate the fleas so bad.  
 But since they do, for now I'm trying the beneficial nematodes and I 
 just bought the food grade diatomaceous earth.  I've been using Flea 
 Stoppers in the house which is a borax type of product.  Well, I just 
 sprayed the nematodes last week so I can't tell if they're working yet 
 because they just eat larvae so they don't kill adult fleas so it'll 
 take a while to make a difference.  But if anyone wants to try them I 
 got them at Pike's nursery for $39.95.  I think you can order them 
 online also.  I don't remember if the nematodes do anything for ticks.
 
 The diatomaceous earth I got from a local feed store.  It's the food 
 grade and a lot cheaper than ordering online, so if any of you are 
 thinking of trying it check your feed stores first.  I got a 50 lb bag 
 for $39.95 and this stuff will last forever.  I can't believe how 
 little it takes.  I didn't need a bag that big but that's all she had.  
 I'm using it outside to try to hopefully kill the adult fleas and 
 putting a little in my cat's coats.  It's very very very dusty so you

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

2011-08-25 Thread Maureen Olvey

They are just called beneficial nematodes and you can get them at some 
nurseries.  I got some at Pike this year.  You can also order them from online. 
 I ordered some from Amazon.  I haven't put those out yet so I can testify to 
them.  I'm a little worried they didn't survive the trip through the mail 
because they have to be kept cool and when I got the order in the mail the ice 
bag was hot so they weren't kept cool the whole time they were in the shipping 
process.  I'm going to put them out this weekend but I'm a little leary.  But 
the first batch I got from Pike Nurseries in late spring worked great.  Man did 
it cut down on the fleas and I didn't have those little black ants coming in 
either.  I think I'll be putting them down every year from now on.

I'm not sure if they work on ticks.  Seems like they would if ticks spend a lot 
of time on the ground.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 From: ho...@sonic.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:15:53 -0700
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
 
 Wow, now I have to ask...Friendly Nematodes?
 What are they called  where do you get them!
 ~Bonnie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:38 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
 
 No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly nematodes 
 around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the cats.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
 
 I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES.  
 
 It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place.  I had been 
 using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over a 
 river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took Homey 
 to vet for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also.  Vet gave 
 her a long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but 
 they called and said she was loaded with seed ticks.  I check them every time 
 they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of tick 
 treament.  I have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular 
 ticks.  Anyone else haeing a big problem with them?
 
  Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: 
  I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for 
  dogs on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember 
  watching an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal 
  Planet where a cat died because someone used a flea product intended 
  for dogs on it. So
  *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet 
  first about adjusting the dosage.
  
  Cindy  Angel Jackpot
  
  From: molvey...@hotmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
  Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400
  
  
  
  
  It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just 
  discussing it with my feline asthma group.
  
  Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems.  I have a 
  cat fence up so all my cats go in the backyard.  That is making things 
  ten times worse.  I've been using Revolution for several years now with no 
  problems.
  Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog 
  size and split it up between the cats.  I don't know if the Revolution 
  isn't working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for 
  fleas.  If you say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an 
  especially bad year.
  Some people in the other group were talking about how sometimes 
  switching products can help because either the fleas have built up a 
  tolerance to the current flea meds or maybe the cat's system is 
  processing the flea stuff differently because they've had it on them 
  for so long.  Who knows.  If you've been using Advantage maybe you 
  should try Revolution or Frontline Plus.  I believe Frontline Plus 
  kills fleas and larvae so it kills and breaks the life cycle so that 
  might be a good one too.  I hate using all these chemicals on my cats 
  but there's no way around it for me because I've got so many plus a few 
  ferals that live here that I can't touch.
  
  I've never sprayed my yard but since this year is so bad I've got to 
  do something.  I'm

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

2011-06-01 Thread Sharyl
That is why it is so important to do your own research.  I look up each product 
on line and compare the ingredients just to verify the formula is the same.  
Some are not and are indeed harmful to cats.   I would look up the ingredients 
for Pet Armor and compare them to Frontline Plus just to be sure.
 
Sharyl

From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for dogs on 
their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember watching an 
episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal Planet where a cat 
died because someone used a flea product intended for dogs on it. So *please* 
be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet first about 
adjusting the dosage.

Cindy  Angel Jackpot
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

2011-06-01 Thread molveywda
Yeah, Revolution for dogs uses the same insecticide as Revolution for cats.  
The only thing is that you have to do the math carefully because the 
insecticide is more concentrated in the dog formulation.  For example, one ml 
of the dog Revolution has more of the insecticide than one ml of the cat 
formulation.  So even though the amount of liquid is the same, the formulations 
are different.  There are more milligrams of the chemical per ml for the dog 
stuff than the cat.

It can all be rather confusing so you definitely have to do your research 
before taking chances with flea meds since some are toxic.  Like Biospot for 
instance.  It's fine for dogs I think but even the cat version has one of the 
same insecticides as the dog formulation and that particular chemical is toxic 
to cats.  It's pyrethrins (sp?).  I don't know why they won't change the 
formulation for cats so it's safe.  So in that case both formulations, dog and 
cat, are toxic to cats.  It's crazy

I've got a cat that occasionally gets a bald spot from the Revolution too.  Not 
every time I give it to him but sometimes so I started giving him Frontline.


sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC

- Reply message -
From: Beth Noren maxgoodb...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, Jun 1, 2011 1:21 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Many dog products are extremely dangerous for cats, but at least the
last time that I ordered, Revolution used the same formula for both
dogs and cats.  I have used the large dog tube many times on my cats.
Like Lynda, I have a couple of cats that lose their fur at the
application site, so I usually don't give it to them.  The Revolution
website claims that hair loss is due to the cat over grooming the
area, which is baloney, IMHO, as I place it in a pretty difficult to
reach spot on the neck, and I have never seen them or any other cat
licking those spots.  It looks more like a crusted over burn to me.

Beth N.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:
 The Revolution that I have is 15mg for puppies or kittens 5 lbs or less. It
 works quick and is effective. However, one of my cats loses his fur at the
 site of application so I have discontinued it. It did work well enough that
 he nor the house has fleas.

 Lynda
 - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth


 I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for dogs
 on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember watching
 an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal Planet where a
 cat died because someone used a flea product intended for dogs on it. So
 *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet first
 about adjusting the dosage.

 Cindy  Angel Jackpot

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[Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

2011-05-31 Thread Maureen Olvey



 




From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400




It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just discussing 
it with my feline asthma group.
 
Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems.  I have a cat fence 
up so all my cats go in the backyard.  That is making things ten times worse.  
I've been using Revolution for several years now with no problems.  Like you, I 
work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog size and split it up 
between the cats.  I don't know if the Revolution isn't working this year or if 
it's just an especially bad year for fleas.  If you say Advantage isn't working 
then maybe it's just an especially bad year.  Some people in the other group 
were talking about how sometimes switching products can help because either the 
fleas have built up a tolerance to the current flea meds or maybe the cat's 
system is processing the flea stuff differently because they've had it on them 
for so long.  Who knows.  If you've been using Advantage maybe you should try 
Revolution or Frontline Plus.  I believe Frontline Plus kills fleas and larvae 
so it kills and breaks the life cycle so that might be a good one too.  I hate 
using all these chemicals on my cats but there's no way around it for me 
because I've got so many plus a few ferals that live here that I can't touch.
 
I've never sprayed my yard but since this year is so bad I've got to do 
something.  I'm trying to go natural first because like everyone else is saying 
all these chemicals for yards say don't get on skin, don't get in eyes, don't 
inhale, etc. etc. and keep pets and children off until it dries and that 
really scares me.  If my cats didn't go out I'd spray the yard with every 
poison I could find because I hate the fleas so bad.  But since they do, for 
now I'm trying the beneficial nematodes and I just bought the food grade 
diatomaceous earth.  I've been using Flea Stoppers in the house which is a 
borax type of product.  Well, I just sprayed the nematodes last week so I can't 
tell if they're working yet because they just eat larvae so they don't kill 
adult fleas so it'll take a while to make a difference.  But if anyone wants to 
try them I got them at Pike's nursery for $39.95.  I think you can order them 
online also.  I don't remember if the nematodes do anything for ticks.
 
The diatomaceous earth I got from a local feed store.  It's the food grade and 
a lot cheaper than ordering online, so if any of you are thinking of trying it 
check your feed stores first.  I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and this stuff will 
last forever.  I can't believe how little it takes.  I didn't need a bag that 
big but that's all she had.  I'm using it outside to try to hopefully kill the 
adult fleas and putting a little in my cat's coats.  It's very very very dusty 
so you definitely need a mask on when messing wtih it.  I am hesistant about 
using it in the house because it is so so dusty.  That's why I went with the 
borax inside in the carpets.  I did put the diatomaceous earth on the cat trees 
and their bedding though.  The DE is the consistency of flour.  Feels just like 
it and is dusty just like it.  I put some on some of my cats and when they 
shake you can see a dust cloud around them.  So for now I'm glad I didn't put 
it everywhere in the house.  I think the Flea Stoppers with the borox has 
helped but I'm also vacuuming every couple of days which makes a big 
difference.  I've put the diatomaceous earth on several of my cat's then 
checked them when they come in from outside.  They are still coming in with 
fleas but I don't think it is as many.  The DE doesn't kill the fleas right 
away either.  It just cuts them and the fleas dehydrate and die so I'm thinking 
it will take a week or more before it really starts cutting down the flea 
population.  If anyone puts it on their cat I'll just warn you that it does 
make the coat dry feeling.  Still better than fleas if you ask me.  Of course 
the cats are going to clean themselves and injest the DE so it's very important 
to get the food grade stuff.  They use it in other forms, like in swimming 
pools, and it's very toxic.
 
I haven't put the DE in my cats' food yet but a woman in my feline asthma group 
swears by it and she uses it and puts it in her cats' food and has for years 
and says they always test negative for worms.  She puts it in her coffee and 
says she can see differences since she started using it.  
 
Well, just thought I'd share the things I'm trying.  I'm still putting 
Revolution on the cats because I've got a lot of it but if I don't start seeing 
a difference soon I'll probably switch to either Frontline Plus or Advantage.  
Nothing has made a big difference so far, except the borax and the vaccuming, 
but I think that's because there are so many fleas outside that every time the 
cats go out they pick up 100 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

2011-05-31 Thread Cindy McHugh
I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for dogs 
on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember watching 
an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal Planet where a 
cat died because someone used a flea product intended for dogs on it. So 
*please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet first 
about adjusting the dosage.


Cindy  Angel Jackpot

From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400




It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just 
discussing it with my feline asthma group.


Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems.  I have a cat 
fence up so all my cats go in the backyard.  That is making things ten times 
worse.  I've been using Revolution for several years now with no problems. 
Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog size 
and split it up between the cats.  I don't know if the Revolution isn't 
working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for fleas.  If you 
say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an especially bad year. 
Some people in the other group were talking about how sometimes switching 
products can help because either the fleas have built up a tolerance to the 
current flea meds or maybe the cat's system is processing the flea stuff 
differently because they've had it on them for so long.  Who knows.  If 
you've been using Advantage maybe you should try Revolution or Frontline 
Plus.  I believe Frontline Plus kills fleas and larvae so it kills and 
breaks the life cycle so that might be a good one too.  I hate using all 
these chemicals on my cats but there's no way around it for me because I've 
got so many plus a few ferals that live here that I can't touch.


I've never sprayed my yard but since this year is so bad I've got to do 
something.  I'm trying to go natural first because like everyone else is 
saying all these chemicals for yards say don't get on skin, don't get in 
eyes, don't inhale, etc. etc. and keep pets and children off until it dries 
and that really scares me.  If my cats didn't go out I'd spray the yard with 
every poison I could find because I hate the fleas so bad.  But since they 
do, for now I'm trying the beneficial nematodes and I just bought the food 
grade diatomaceous earth.  I've been using Flea Stoppers in the house which 
is a borax type of product.  Well, I just sprayed the nematodes last week so 
I can't tell if they're working yet because they just eat larvae so they 
don't kill adult fleas so it'll take a while to make a difference.  But if 
anyone wants to try them I got them at Pike's nursery for $39.95.  I think 
you can order them online also.  I don't remember if the nematodes do 
anything for ticks.


The diatomaceous earth I got from a local feed store.  It's the food grade 
and a lot cheaper than ordering online, so if any of you are thinking of 
trying it check your feed stores first.  I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and 
this stuff will last forever.  I can't believe how little it takes.  I 
didn't need a bag that big but that's all she had.  I'm using it outside to 
try to hopefully kill the adult fleas and putting a little in my cat's 
coats.  It's very very very dusty so you definitely need a mask on when 
messing wtih it.  I am hesistant about using it in the house because it is 
so so dusty.  That's why I went with the borax inside in the carpets.  I did 
put the diatomaceous earth on the cat trees and their bedding though.  The 
DE is the consistency of flour.  Feels just like it and is dusty just like 
it.  I put some on some of my cats and when they shake you can see a dust 
cloud around them.  So for now I'm glad I didn't put it everywhere in the 
house.  I think the Flea Stoppers with the borox has helped but I'm also 
vacuuming every couple of days which makes a big difference.  I've put the 
diatomaceous earth on several of my cat's then checked them when they come 
in from outside.  They are still coming in with fleas but I don't think it 
is as many.  The DE doesn't kill the fleas right away either.  It just cuts 
them and the fleas dehydrate and die so I'm thinking it will take a week or 
more before it really starts cutting down the flea population.  If anyone 
puts it on their cat I'll just warn you that it does make the coat dry 
feeling.  Still better than fleas if you ask me.  Of course the cats are 
going to clean themselves and injest the DE so it's very important to get 
the food grade stuff.  They use it in other forms, like in swimming pools, 
and it's very toxic.


I haven't put the DE in my cats' food yet but a woman in my feline asthma 
group swears by it and she uses it and puts it in her cats' food and has for 
years and says they always test negative for worms.  She puts it in her 
coffee and says she can see differences since she started using it.



Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

2011-05-31 Thread Lynda Wilson
The Revolution that I have is 15mg for puppies or kittens 5 lbs or less. It 
works quick and is effective. However, one of my cats loses his fur at the 
site of application so I have discontinued it. It did work well enough that 
he nor the house has fleas.


Lynda
- Original Message - 
From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth


I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for dogs
on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember watching
an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal Planet where a
cat died because someone used a flea product intended for dogs on it. So
*please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet first
about adjusting the dosage.

Cindy  Angel Jackpot

From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400




It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just
discussing it with my feline asthma group.

Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems.  I have a cat
fence up so all my cats go in the backyard.  That is making things ten times
worse.  I've been using Revolution for several years now with no problems.
Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog size
and split it up between the cats.  I don't know if the Revolution isn't
working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for fleas.  If you
say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an especially bad year.
Some people in the other group were talking about how sometimes switching
products can help because either the fleas have built up a tolerance to the
current flea meds or maybe the cat's system is processing the flea stuff
differently because they've had it on them for so long.  Who knows.  If
you've been using Advantage maybe you should try Revolution or Frontline
Plus.  I believe Frontline Plus kills fleas and larvae so it kills and
breaks the life cycle so that might be a good one too.  I hate using all
these chemicals on my cats but there's no way around it for me because I've
got so many plus a few ferals that live here that I can't touch.

I've never sprayed my yard but since this year is so bad I've got to do
something.  I'm trying to go natural first because like everyone else is
saying all these chemicals for yards say don't get on skin, don't get in
eyes, don't inhale, etc. etc. and keep pets and children off until it dries
and that really scares me.  If my cats didn't go out I'd spray the yard with
every poison I could find because I hate the fleas so bad.  But since they
do, for now I'm trying the beneficial nematodes and I just bought the food
grade diatomaceous earth.  I've been using Flea Stoppers in the house which
is a borax type of product.  Well, I just sprayed the nematodes last week so
I can't tell if they're working yet because they just eat larvae so they
don't kill adult fleas so it'll take a while to make a difference.  But if
anyone wants to try them I got them at Pike's nursery for $39.95.  I think
you can order them online also.  I don't remember if the nematodes do
anything for ticks.

The diatomaceous earth I got from a local feed store.  It's the food grade
and a lot cheaper than ordering online, so if any of you are thinking of
trying it check your feed stores first.  I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and
this stuff will last forever.  I can't believe how little it takes.  I
didn't need a bag that big but that's all she had.  I'm using it outside to
try to hopefully kill the adult fleas and putting a little in my cat's
coats.  It's very very very dusty so you definitely need a mask on when
messing wtih it.  I am hesistant about using it in the house because it is
so so dusty.  That's why I went with the borax inside in the carpets.  I did
put the diatomaceous earth on the cat trees and their bedding though.  The
DE is the consistency of flour.  Feels just like it and is dusty just like
it.  I put some on some of my cats and when they shake you can see a dust
cloud around them.  So for now I'm glad I didn't put it everywhere in the
house.  I think the Flea Stoppers with the borox has helped but I'm also
vacuuming every couple of days which makes a big difference.  I've put the
diatomaceous earth on several of my cat's then checked them when they come
in from outside.  They are still coming in with fleas but I don't think it
is as many.  The DE doesn't kill the fleas right away either.  It just cuts
them and the fleas dehydrate and die so I'm thinking it will take a week or
more before it really starts cutting down the flea population.  If anyone
puts it on their cat I'll just warn you that it does make the coat dry
feeling.  Still better than fleas if you ask me.  Of course the cats are
going to clean themselves and injest the DE so it's very important

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

2011-05-31 Thread Beth Noren
Many dog products are extremely dangerous for cats, but at least the
last time that I ordered, Revolution used the same formula for both
dogs and cats.  I have used the large dog tube many times on my cats.
Like Lynda, I have a couple of cats that lose their fur at the
application site, so I usually don't give it to them.  The Revolution
website claims that hair loss is due to the cat over grooming the
area, which is baloney, IMHO, as I place it in a pretty difficult to
reach spot on the neck, and I have never seen them or any other cat
licking those spots.  It looks more like a crusted over burn to me.

Beth N.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:
 The Revolution that I have is 15mg for puppies or kittens 5 lbs or less. It
 works quick and is effective. However, one of my cats loses his fur at the
 site of application so I have discontinued it. It did work well enough that
 he nor the house has fleas.

 Lynda
 - Original Message - From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth


 I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for dogs
 on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember watching
 an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal Planet where a
 cat died because someone used a flea product intended for dogs on it. So
 *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet first
 about adjusting the dosage.

 Cindy  Angel Jackpot

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