Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400

It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just discussing 
it with my feline asthma group.
Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems.  I have a cat fence 
up so all my cats go in the backyard.  That is making things ten times worse.  
I've been using Revolution for several years now with no problems.  Like you, I 
work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog size and split it up 
between the cats.  I don't know if the Revolution isn't working this year or if 
it's just an especially bad year for fleas.  If you say Advantage isn't working 
then maybe it's just an especially bad year.  Some people in the other group 
were talking about how sometimes switching products can help because either the 
fleas have built up a tolerance to the current flea meds or maybe the cat's 
system is processing the flea stuff differently because they've had it on them 
for so long.  Who knows.  If you've been using Advantage maybe you should try 
Revolution or Frontline Plus.  I believe Frontline Plus kills fleas and larvae 
so it kills and breaks the life cycle so that might be a good one too.  I hate 
using all these chemicals on my cats but there's no way around it for me 
because I've got so many plus a few ferals that live here that I can't touch.
I've never sprayed my yard but since this year is so bad I've got to do 
something.  I'm trying to go natural first because like everyone else is saying 
all these chemicals for yards say "don't get on skin, don't get in eyes, don't 
inhale, etc. etc. and keep pets and children off until it dries" and that 
really scares me.  If my cats didn't go out I'd spray the yard with every 
poison I could find because I hate the fleas so bad.  But since they do, for 
now I'm trying the beneficial nematodes and I just bought the food grade 
diatomaceous earth.  I've been using Flea Stoppers in the house which is a 
borax type of product.  Well, I just sprayed the nematodes last week so I can't 
tell if they're working yet because they just eat larvae so they don't kill 
adult fleas so it'll take a while to make a difference.  But if anyone wants to 
try them I got them at Pike's nursery for $39.95.  I think you can order them 
online also.  I don't remember if the nematodes do anything for ticks.
The diatomaceous earth I got from a local feed store.  It's the food grade and 
a lot cheaper than ordering online, so if any of you are thinking of trying it 
check your feed stores first.  I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and this stuff will 
last forever.  I can't believe how little it takes.  I didn't need a bag that 
big but that's all she had.  I'm using it outside to try to hopefully kill the 
adult fleas and putting a little in my cat's coats.  It's very very very dusty 
so you definitely need a mask on when messing wtih it.  I am hesistant about 
using it in the house because it is so so dusty.  That's why I went with the 
borax inside in the carpets.  I did put the diatomaceous earth on the cat trees 
and their bedding though.  The DE is the consistency of flour.  Feels just like 
it and is dusty just like it.  I put some on some of my cats and when they 
shake you can see a dust cloud around them.  So for now I'm glad I didn't put 
it everywhere in the house.  I think the Flea Stoppers with the borox has 
helped but I'm also vacuuming every couple of days which makes a big 
difference.  I've put the diatomaceous earth on several of my cat's then 
checked them when they come in from outside.  They are still coming in with 
fleas but I don't think it is as many.  The DE doesn't kill the fleas right 
away either.  It just cuts them and the fleas dehydrate and die so I'm thinking 
it will take a week or more before it really starts cutting down the flea 
population.  If anyone puts it on their cat I'll just warn you that it does 
make the coat dry feeling.  Still better than fleas if you ask me.  Of course 
the cats are going to clean themselves and injest the DE so it's very important 
to get the food grade stuff.  They use it in other forms, like in swimming 
pools, and it's very toxic.
I haven't put the DE in my cats' food yet but a woman in my feline asthma group 
swears by it and she uses it and puts it in her cats' food and has for years 
and says they always test negative for worms.  She puts it in her coffee and 
says she can see differences since she started using it.  
Well, just thought I'd share the things I'm trying.  I'm still putting 
Revolution on the cats because I've got a lot of it but if I don't start seeing 
a difference soon I'll probably switch to either Frontline Plus or Advantage.  
Nothing has made a big difference so far, except the borax and the vaccuming, 
but I think that's because there are so many fleas outside that every time the 
cats go out they pick up 100 more fleas and it takes time for all those fleas 
to bite the cats and die.  I don't know.  I would think the flea products would 
kill the fleas that get on them pretty quick but honestly it's not.  I'm hoping 
once I get the yard under control that will bring the flea population down 
tremendously.  Well, I'm off now to go finish spreading more DE in the yard.  
I'll let you guys know if it makes a difference.

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