Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
Am a bit confused--were the subject cats tested for FIV or FELV prior to the treatment? The symptoms described could be either condition but could also be a host of other issues. How old were the cats? If kittens, then even a pos test for FIV could just be caused by the mom cat being FIV+. And neither condition is "AIDS" as in human. FIV is NOT Aids just like FELV is NOT leukemia. -Original Message- >From: "Gloria B. Lane" >Sent: May 10, 2010 11:53 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv > >Impressive and interesting. > > >On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:53 AM, jbero tds.net wrote: > >> Okay, I am always questioning people that claim a cure, but here is >> a small >> study done that caused a man to patent the treatment concerning >> felv. This >> a group dedicated to looking into any avenue that may help our >> little ones, >> so I'm putting this out there. >> >> I copied and pasted this from the patent: >> >> notes: >> >> 1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a >> control. >> >> 2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg >> DEPOMEDROL >> (antiinflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered >> Nacetyl >> cysteine(NAC), 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET >> TAB/day. >> >> >> 3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus >> positive >> reaction to negative after the treatment. >> >> 4) The symptoms of Champage, Precious, and Missy such as dental >> problems >> bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the >> treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as >> vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed >> after the >> treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum >> infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were >> maintained on >> PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants. >> >> 5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia >> virus >> negative. >> >> 6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated >> (Sampson, >> Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen >> stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retovirus. >> All >> tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign >> of the >> virus. >> >> These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be >> cured in >> an in vivo model. >> >> That's it. If anyone's got any ideas about it or history with it, >> I'd love >> to hear it. >> >> >> Jenny >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > >-- >Donate to FuRR! Help 20 cats in Heber Springs! >http://teamfurr.chipin.com > > > > > > > > > > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
Impressive and interesting. On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:53 AM, jbero tds.net wrote: Okay, I am always questioning people that claim a cure, but here is a small study done that caused a man to patent the treatment concerning felv. This a group dedicated to looking into any avenue that may help our little ones, so I'm putting this out there. I copied and pasted this from the patent: notes: 1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a control. 2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg DEPOMEDROL (antiinflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered Nacetyl cysteine(NAC), 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET TAB/day. 3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus positive reaction to negative after the treatment. 4) The symptoms of Champage, Precious, and Missy such as dental problems bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed after the treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were maintained on PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants. 5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia virus negative. 6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated (Sampson, Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retovirus. All tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign of the virus. These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model. That's it. If anyone's got any ideas about it or history with it, I'd love to hear it. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Donate to FuRR! Help 20 cats in Heber Springs! http://teamfurr.chipin.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
I would wonder, too if these cats were truly positive to begin with. I also wonder how long they treated & how long they waited after they were treated to do the tests. Also, steroids can help alleviate & mask many symptoms. I know my cat with Stomatitis can be drooling & have severely irritated gums, but after a shot of DEPOMEDROL he looks like he's been cured in no time. Unfortunately, after a month the effects wear off. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Fri, 4/16/10, jbero tds.net wrote: From: jbero tds.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 12:53 PM Okay, I am always questioning people that claim a cure, but here is a small study done that caused a man to patent the treatment concerning felv. This a group dedicated to looking into any avenue that may help our little ones, so I'm putting this out there. I copied and pasted this from the patent: notes: 1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a control. 2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg DEPOMEDROL (antiinflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered Nacetyl cysteine(NAC), 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET TAB/day. 3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus positive reaction to negative after the treatment. 4) The symptoms of Champage, Precious, and Missy such as dental problems bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed after the treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were maintained on PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants. 5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia virus negative. 6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated (Sampson, Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retovirus. All tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign of the virus. These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model. That's it. If anyone's got any ideas about it or history with it, I'd love to hear it. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
My cat Charlie would probably scarf it down... :-S -Original Message- From: Gloria B. Lane [mailto:gbl...@aristotle.net] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv Good luck feeding your cats dandelions with cheese and jalapeno sauce... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
ah, but have you ever TRIED hot sauce? calicos (and honorary ones, such as abysinnians and bengals) actually seem to like it! the age-old benefits of dandelions is why i suggested that, rather than, say, pennyroyal, which while it's a great pesticide, is (if i recall correctly) toxic if ingested. (wonderful to throw around the yard, tho, if you have dogs--enough oil to repel the fleas!) -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
Hello This is my first post. 5 of 7 of my inner circle tested positive for feline leukemia using the more reliable test (per the vet). She advised 1 ml of acylovir twice a week plus 1 ml Hy-Vite drops twice a week. The following caught my attention: "I know that they put cats on the HIV/AIDS cocktails of AZT and other drugs they use in humans; and continue to insist that the research that most " researchers have come to accept is wrong. Feline leukmeia is totally new water. An outside feral was highly lethargic progressing into distress for reasons unknown. He tested positive. He had a two week access to a rescue kitten which later became part of my inner circle. I noticed increasing in size "lymph nodes" in her neck in early February. She tested positive. Her decline was precipitous. On March 1, I tested the rest of the inner circle, all adults but one of similar age to ToriRose, deceased - - approx 10 months now. Please comment on acyclovir. I am doing Evo for half of meals supplemented with vitamin C, DHA/EPA, raw egg yolk and raw liver plus the acyclovir and Hy-Vite drops. THANK YOU. m _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
Well actually dandelion has some nice therapeutic benefits. And they MIGHt consent to cheese. But I've never had one consent to hot sauce! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2010, at 11:20 PM, MaryChristine wrote: c'mon, gloria, tell me you wouldn't try it, too, if you thought it'd work! (and my first calico LOVED hot sauce, so who can tell--of course, i'd boil the dandelions first to remove the bitterness.) On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: Good luck feeding your cats dandelions with cheese and jalapeno sauce... -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
c'mon, gloria, tell me you wouldn't try it, too, if you thought it'd work! (and my first calico LOVED hot sauce, so who can tell--of course, i'd boil the dandelions first to remove the bitterness.) On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Gloria B. Lane wrote: > Good luck feeding your cats dandelions with cheese and jalapeno sauce... > > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
Good luck feeding your cats dandelions with cheese and jalapeno sauce... On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:20 PM, MaryChristine wrote: i realize that there are a group of folks who insist that FIV and AIDS are totally analogous; what i've found out is that the major researchers continuing in this line are followers of the folks who first identified the virus as an individual entity in either 86 or 87, during the panic surrounding HIV/AIDS. there was nothing wrong with their thinking (hoping) they'd found an animal model that could help with the human condition, but after awhile, most researchers (and research) showed that FeLV more closely resembles HIV/AIDS than FIV does. however, the name has never been changed, and that in itself continues to kill cats everywhere. i know that they put cats on the HIV/AIDS cocktails of AZT and other drugs they use in humans; and continue to insist that the research that most researchers have come to accept is wrong. the analogy of FIV=HIV/AIDS was a great HYPOTHESIS, but that's how knowledge grows--we hypothesize something, we test it, and if the research doesn't bear it out, we update. it seems that this one group of folks who did identify FIV originally are just too invested in their original hypotheses. thanks for the link, and please do let us know what you find out. i really do want there to be a treatment or cure found, but i want it to be real, and reproducible, and verifiable! i'll feed them dandelions with cheese and jalapeno sauce if it'll work! MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
i realize that there are a group of folks who insist that FIV and AIDS are totally analogous; what i've found out is that the major researchers continuing in this line are followers of the folks who first identified the virus as an individual entity in either 86 or 87, during the panic surrounding HIV/AIDS. there was nothing wrong with their thinking (hoping) they'd found an animal model that could help with the human condition, but after awhile, most researchers (and research) showed that FeLV more closely resembles HIV/AIDS than FIV does. however, the name has never been changed, and that in itself continues to kill cats everywhere. i know that they put cats on the HIV/AIDS cocktails of AZT and other drugs they use in humans; and continue to insist that the research that most researchers have come to accept is wrong. the analogy of FIV=HIV/AIDS was a great HYPOTHESIS, but that's how knowledge grows--we hypothesize something, we test it, and if the research doesn't bear it out, we update. it seems that this one group of folks who did identify FIV originally are just too invested in their original hypotheses. thanks for the link, and please do let us know what you find out. i really do want there to be a treatment or cure found, but i want it to be real, and reproducible, and verifiable! i'll feed them dandelions with cheese and jalapeno sauce if it'll work! MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
I didn't know you could patent a treatment made up of commercially available products. Where did you see this patent? It is certainly interesting. It is unfortunate there isn't more info as it doesn't say if the surviving cats were FeLV+ or FIV+, or both. Also, too bad it was such a small sample, but worth looking into. Would love to see the whole study. Gary -- From: "jbero tds.net" Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:53 AM To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv Okay, I am always questioning people that claim a cure, but here is a small study done that caused a man to patent the treatment concerning felv. This a group dedicated to looking into any avenue that may help our little ones, so I'm putting this out there. I copied and pasted this from the patent: notes: 1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a control. 2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg DEPOMEDROL (antiinflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered Nacetyl cysteine(NAC), 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET TAB/day. 3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus positive reaction to negative after the treatment. 4) The symptoms of Champage, Precious, and Missy such as dental problems bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed after the treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were maintained on PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants. 5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia virus negative. 6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated (Sampson, Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retovirus. All tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign of the virus. These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model. That's it. If anyone's got any ideas about it or history with it, I'd love to hear it. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
I have to be honest, I am skeptical myself. In general, it is a group of individuals looking to find a treatment for AIDS/HIV in people and the cats were a model for disease (I hate that they do this, but if they do I will learn everything I possibly can from it). It is somewhat old so I do not know what, if anything has come of it, but the results are interesting none the less. Here is the website I got this information from, it goes into more detail. http://www2.arkansas.net/~artg/fi7.htm I will email this man Van Dyke and if he responds will keep you updated. Jenny On 4/16/10, MaryChristine wrote: > > first question has to be whether the cats were truly positive to start > with: > an ifa done 120 days after last possible date of exposure. otherwise, > there's no way of knowing that the cats wouldn't throw off the virus > themselves. three to six weeks after treatment, which may or may not have > been started immediately after first test, would well be enough time for > that to happen spontaneously. > > now is this supposedly for FeLV, or FIV? at the end, it states that, "These > cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an > in > vivo model." AIDS is a human disease, it is not a feline one. no veterinary > professional refers to FIV as AIDS--so immediately i'm suspicious, and > again, confused, as it starts out talking about curing FeLV. > > how many times were the cats administered this treatment? if more than > once, > at what interval? > > i think that depo is a wonder drug in many cases, and have used it > successfully for stomatitis for a number of years. so i'm not against the > possibility, just would like more info. i have no idea what NAC is, would > like more info. > > actually, i'd like more info in general. are there clinical trials going > on? > has the guy contacted the main FeLV/FIV researchers to help with that? > > MC > > -- > Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! > Maybe That'll Make The Difference > > MaryChristine > Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org > ) > Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
first question has to be whether the cats were truly positive to start with: an ifa done 120 days after last possible date of exposure. otherwise, there's no way of knowing that the cats wouldn't throw off the virus themselves. three to six weeks after treatment, which may or may not have been started immediately after first test, would well be enough time for that to happen spontaneously. now is this supposedly for FeLV, or FIV? at the end, it states that, "These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model." AIDS is a human disease, it is not a feline one. no veterinary professional refers to FIV as AIDS--so immediately i'm suspicious, and again, confused, as it starts out talking about curing FeLV. how many times were the cats administered this treatment? if more than once, at what interval? i think that depo is a wonder drug in many cases, and have used it successfully for stomatitis for a number of years. so i'm not against the possibility, just would like more info. i have no idea what NAC is, would like more info. actually, i'd like more info in general. are there clinical trials going on? has the guy contacted the main FeLV/FIV researchers to help with that? MC -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Possible therapy for felv
Okay, I am always questioning people that claim a cure, but here is a small study done that caused a man to patent the treatment concerning felv. This a group dedicated to looking into any avenue that may help our little ones, so I'm putting this out there. I copied and pasted this from the patent: notes: 1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a control. 2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg DEPOMEDROL (antiinflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered Nacetyl cysteine(NAC), 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET TAB/day. 3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus positive reaction to negative after the treatment. 4) The symptoms of Champage, Precious, and Missy such as dental problems bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed after the treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were maintained on PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants. 5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia virus negative. 6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated (Sampson, Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retovirus. All tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign of the virus. These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model. That's it. If anyone's got any ideas about it or history with it, I'd love to hear it. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
