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Seems to me when I've had to give Drontal it was given 2 weeks apart twice after the initial dose, so first dose, 2 weeks later second dose and then 2 weeks later final dose. I think it was given for both round worm and tape worm. It's been awhile but that's what I remember. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
any suggestions
It has been one week since MeMe's diagnosis and yesterday I thought we were making progress. Her swollen glands are noticeably diminished, her sneezing has all but stopped and her bad breath from stomatitis is very much improved. Her appetite has been great and I have been able to get her to finish the daily dose of FortiFlora (probiotic) which my vet is so hopeful about. We are also giving her the Maitake-DMG twice each day. All was fine until the Drontal tablets arrived. My vet prescribed two tablets daily (the canine variety) for 5 days to treat her Giardia. She had consulted with Bayer before prescribing it. The Metroniidazole that she had been on did not work. Last night her right eye became very runny and she threw up a good bit of what looked like clear liquid. This morning she refused food (I tried everything I could think of) and I resorted to putting a blob of Nuti-cal on her paw. I suspect the Drontal is upsetting her stomach. I cannot reach my vet until Monday and cannot give her supplements on an empty stomach. She is so sweet and so vulnerable. I wish I could get her to a place where she has a fighting chance. Thanks for listening. Jane
Re: any suggestions
Jane, This is just my personal opinion, but I would stop the Drontal, at least until you can talk to your vet. The fact that she was improving and that it is highly suspect that the Drontal put her off her food and (may have stressed her enough to bring back the runny eye symptom), makes me think that a step backward might be in order. When I looked into treating Giardia with Drontal, I neglected to also check for dosages. I don't know the mg dosage you are giving her but 2x daily for 5 days seems excessive to me. Worming meds, by their very nature are toxic. She may be refusing to eat because she's nauseous, give her some time to settle her stomach before you start to worry too much. Nina Jane Lyons wrote: It has been one week since MeMe's diagnosis and yesterday I thought we were making progress. Her swollen glands are noticeably diminished, her sneezing has all but stopped and her bad breath from stomatitis is very much improved. Her appetite has been great and I have been able to get her to finish the daily dose of FortiFlora (probiotic) which my vet is so hopeful about. We are also giving her the Maitake-DMG twice each day. All was fine until the Drontal tablets arrived. My vet prescribed two tablets daily (the canine variety) for 5 days to treat her Giardia. She had consulted with Bayer before prescribing it. The Metroniidazole that she had been on did not work. Last night her right eye became very runny and she threw up a good bit of what looked like clear liquid. This morning she refused food (I tried everything I could think of) and I resorted to putting a blob of Nuti-cal on her paw. I suspect the Drontal is upsetting her stomach. I cannot reach my vet until Monday and cannot give her supplements on an empty stomach. She is so sweet and so vulnerable. I wish I could get her to a place where she has a fighting chance. Thanks for listening. Jane
Re: any suggestions
I trust Nina's opinion, Jane. I hope so much that MeMe will rally soon. Please give her kitty kisses from us. Elizabeth, Phelix, Antonio, Tiffany, Lexie, Shakiti, Tori, Othello On 6/2/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jane, This is just my personal opinion, but I would stop the Drontal, at least until you can talk to your vet. The fact that she was improving and that it is highly suspect that the Drontal put her off her food and (may have stressed her enough to bring back the runny eye symptom), makes me think that a step backward might be in order. When I looked into treating Giardia with Drontal, I neglected to also check for dosages. I don't know the mg dosage you are giving her but 2x daily for 5 days seems excessive to me. Worming meds, by their very nature are toxic. She may be refusing to eat because she's nauseous, give her some time to settle her stomach before you start to worry too much. Nina Jane Lyons wrote: It has been one week since MeMe's diagnosis and yesterday I thought we were making progress. Her swollen glands are noticeably diminished, her sneezing has all but stopped and her bad breath from stomatitis is very much improved. Her appetite has been great and I have been able to get her to finish the daily dose of FortiFlora (probiotic) which my vet is so hopeful about. We are also giving her the Maitake-DMG twice each day. All was fine until the Drontal tablets arrived. My vet prescribed two tablets daily (the canine variety) for 5 days to treat her Giardia. She had consulted with Bayer before prescribing it. The Metroniidazole that she had been on did not work. Last night her right eye became very runny and she threw up a good bit of what looked like clear liquid. This morning she refused food (I tried everything I could think of) and I resorted to putting a blob of Nuti-cal on her paw. I suspect the Drontal is upsetting her stomach. I cannot reach my vet until Monday and cannot give her supplements on an empty stomach. She is so sweet and so vulnerable. I wish I could get her to a place where she has a fighting chance. Thanks for listening. Jane
Re: any suggestions
It does sound like maybe you should stop the Drontal until you can consult with your vet. You have to go with your gut feelings on these I think. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: any suggestions It has been one week since MeMe's diagnosis and yesterday I thought we were making progress. Her swollen glands are noticeably diminished, her sneezing has all but stopped and her bad breath from stomatitis is very much improved. Her appetite has been great and I have been able to get her to finish the daily dose of FortiFlora (probiotic) which my vet is so hopeful about. We are also giving her the Maitake-DMG twice each day. All was fine until the Drontal tablets arrived. My vet prescribed two tablets daily (the canine variety) for 5 days to treat her Giardia. She had consulted with Bayer before prescribing it. The Metroniidazole that she had been on did not work. Last night her right eye became very runny and she threw up a good bit of what looked like clear liquid. This morning she refused food (I tried everything I could think of) and I resorted to putting a blob of Nuti-cal on her paw. I suspect the Drontal is upsetting her stomach. I cannot reach my vet until Monday and cannot give her supplements on an empty stomach. She is so sweet and so vulnerable. I wish I could get her to a place where she has a fighting chance. Thanks for listening. Jane -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
Re: any suggestions
I agree with Nina too. You might start researching Drontal + cats on the web and see what you come up with. It might be an overdose as said. Stopping the Drontal is probably a good idea. Does anyone know if Jane can give Metamucil over the weekend to help with the dairrhea from the giardia or does MeMe's health stop this from being an option? :) Wendy --- Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has been one week since MeMe's diagnosis and yesterday I thought we were making progress. Her swollen glands are noticeably diminished, her sneezing has all but stopped and her bad breath from stomatitis is very much improved. Her appetite has been great and I have been able to get her to finish the daily dose of FortiFlora (probiotic) which my vet is so hopeful about. We are also giving her the Maitake-DMG twice each day. All was fine until the Drontal tablets arrived. My vet prescribed two tablets daily (the canine variety) for 5 days to treat her Giardia. She had consulted with Bayer before prescribing it. The Metroniidazole that she had been on did not work. Last night her right eye became very runny and she threw up a good bit of what looked like clear liquid. This morning she refused food (I tried everything I could think of) and I resorted to putting a blob of Nuti-cal on her paw. I suspect the Drontal is upsetting her stomach. I cannot reach my vet until Monday and cannot give her supplements on an empty stomach. She is so sweet and so vulnerable. I wish I could get her to a place where she has a fighting chance. Thanks for listening. Jane Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
Re: To Cassandra: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
I'm not sure if you are outting Lysine in his food, but I know someone who gets a chicken flavor powder from their vet for feline herpes. She says the cats love it. Beth C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the kind thoughts. Tomi has been on the Doxy for 3.5 weeks, since March 9. I can see if the vet would give me some more, though she said I don't need to give it any longer. I believe she's off work until Monday though, so I would have to speak with another vet. I'm trying to give him the supplements every day, but now he's turning up his nose at eating the baby food with the powder in it (he doesn't like wet food very much, only dry). I might have to use the syringe to get all those supplements into him, and I know he's not going to like that. I've got lots of pictures of him, but its hard to live each day, not knowing how long he is going to be with us. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: To Cassandra: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down,any suggestions? Hey Cassandra, Since the doxy is so important in treating the hemobart, how long was Tomi on it? It doesn't seem like he's had enought time on the doxy, especially if he did test positive for hemobart. Here is a good article on treating hemobartonella, but it says three weeks for the doxy. I concur with Phaewryn that the doxy might need to be given longer to work with the surpressed immune system, but I can't verify this over the Internet from the limited pages I have seen. All pages say three weeks. Keep doing all your supplements though, especially the lysine. Make sure your lysine has no additives, especially propylene glycol, which causes blood issues in cats. I don't have any advice on trying the Epogen (can't remember the name you wrote; it was something similar). You might talk to an internal veterinarian about this. I know it's hard Cassandra to deal with this on a day to day basis. Just try to make every day you do have the best so that you don't regret anything if Tomi does leave you. And take pictures. They are invaluable. It sounds like you are doing everything you can for Tomi. I will pray for his regained health, and for peace for you. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/745 - Release Date: 4/3/2007 12:48 PM - Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.
Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
Yes, RBC and PCV values are difflerent. A 2.59 PCV would not be a living cat. 15-17 PCV is severly anemic. This site explains the values a little better than I could. http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/labreports.html Beth C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm I think we must be talking about different blood values. The chart on that site says normal RBC is about 5-10, so that is maybe where Joey is measuring a 2.59. Tomi is measuring 17, where the normal range is 24-34, so that must be the PCV. I am not really sure what the difference is though, as they both measure red blood cells from what I gather. How is Joey doing, is he active at all, eating well? Tomi isn't as active as normal, but he is eating, though sometimes he needs some encouragement. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 9:23 AM Subject: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions? That is an awesome site. Thank you! Joey's RBC is 2.59. So if 15-17 is considered severely anemic...what is 2.59 considered? On 4/3/07, Gussies mom wrote: 15-17 is considered severly anemic. That's about where my foster Stamp is right now. This is a great web page for cat Hemotology at different stages of life: http://www.cathelp-online.com/health/glossary2.php Beth Kelley Saveika wrote: I wish I could be of more help. Joey is on the same regimen and his rbc was below 3 last he went to the doctor. It makes me think 17 is really good:(. On 4/2/07, C J wrote: Just by way of background info: March 9, I took Tomi to the vet and found out he had Hemobartonella, Feline Leukemia, and a red blood count of 9. The did a transfusion, bringing his count up to 13. He started taking Doxycycline, and Prednisone, 2 pills per day. One week later, his red blood cells were up to 17, and his Prednisone was dropped to 1 pill per day. In another week, his red blood cells were 19, and the vet stopped giving him the Prednisone. I've noticed since he stopped the Prednisone that he became a little less active, and when he went to the vet today, his red blood cells had dropped to 17. The vet gave me another bottle of Prednisone, and I am supposed to continue giving him 1 per day. Giving him this drug scares me, because I am afraid it will weaken his immune system too much. I am also giving him Interferon (1cc per day), 1/4 tsp Mega C Plus, 1 Transfer Factor capsule, and about 1/2 capsule of L-lysine. I've been giving these for 1-2 weeks in baby food. I asked the vet about Erythopotein, and she didn't think it would be of much help since she didn't think Tomi's bone marrow was healthy enough to respond to it. I could probably insist that we try it though if it might help. The vet thinks that the FeLV is responsible for destroying the blood cells in Tomi's bone marrow. I was really hoping that once we got rid of the Hemobartonella, that Tomi's red blood count would get back to normal, but it looks like that may not be the case. This is so hard to deal with on a daily basis, never knowing if he's going to get better, or if these are the last days I will get to spend with him. Each kitty on this list that passes away brings tears to my eyes, and I can't help but wonder if my little boy might be next. If anyone has a suggestion of what else I might be able to do to help him, I would be greaty appreciative. Cassandra -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/744 - Release Date: 4/3/2007 5:32 AM - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
I'm waiting on this week's blood values now. I did get his weight - up another 4, almost 5 ounces, from his last visit. So he has regained 7 ounces out of 3 lbs lost. On 4/4/07, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, RBC and PCV values are difflerent. A 2.59 PCV would not be a living cat. 15-17 PCV is severly anemic. This site explains the values a little better than I could. http://www.sniksnak.com/cathealth/labreports.html Beth C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm I think we must be talking about different blood values. The chart on that site says normal RBC is about 5-10, so that is maybe where Joey is measuring a 2.59. Tomi is measuring 17, where the normal range is 24-34, so that must be the PCV. I am not really sure what the difference is though, as they both measure red blood cells from what I gather. How is Joey doing, is he active at all, eating well? Tomi isn't as active as normal, but he is eating, though sometimes he needs some encouragement. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 9:23 AM Subject: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions? That is an awesome site. Thank you! Joey's RBC is 2.59. So if 15-17 is considered severely anemic...what is 2.59 considered? On 4/3/07, Gussies mom wrote: 15-17 is considered severly anemic. That's about where my foster Stamp is right now. This is a great web page for cat Hemotology at different stages of life: http://www.cathelp-online.com/health/glossary2.php Beth Kelley Saveika wrote: I wish I could be of more help. Joey is on the same regimen and his rbc was below 3 last he went to the doctor. It makes me think 17 is really good:(. On 4/2/07, C J wrote: Just by way of background info: March 9, I took Tomi to the vet and found out he had Hemobartonella, Feline Leukemia, and a red blood count of 9. The did a transfusion, bringing his count up to 13. He started taking Doxycycline, and Prednisone, 2 pills per day. One week later, his red blood cells were up to 17, and his Prednisone was dropped to 1 pill per day. In another week, his red blood cells were 19, and the vet stopped giving him the Prednisone. I've noticed since he stopped the Prednisone that he became a little less active, and when he went to the vet today, his red blood cells had dropped to 17. The vet gave me another bottle of Prednisone, and I am supposed to continue giving him 1 per day. Giving him this drug scares me, because I am afraid it will weaken his immune system too much. I am also giving him Interferon (1cc per day), 1/4 tsp Mega C Plus, 1 Transfer Factor capsule, and about 1/2 capsule of L-lysine. I've been giving these for 1-2 weeks in baby food. I asked the vet about Erythopotein, and she didn't think it would be of much help since she didn't think Tomi's bone marrow was healthy enough to respond to it. I could probably insist that we try it though if it might help. The vet thinks that the FeLV is responsible for destroying the blood cells in Tomi's bone marrow. I was really hoping that once we got rid of the Hemobartonella, that Tomi's red blood count would get back to normal, but it looks like that may not be the case. This is so hard to deal with on a daily basis, never knowing if he's going to get better, or if these are the last days I will get to spend with him. Each kitty on this list that passes away brings tears to my eyes, and I can't help but wonder if my little boy might be next. If anyone has a suggestion of what else I might be able to do to help him, I would be greaty appreciative. Cassandra -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/744 - Release Date: 4/3/2007 5:32 AM Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
Most positive cats may require a little more time to get over any illness that a non positive cat needs. Giving the doxy for an extra week or two is better than having to start all over not to mention that Tomi is going to feel like crap that much longer. I just went through this with Fred, he isn't FeLV+ but he is CRF and has had an infection for 6 weeks. He still isn't eating and we are really struggling getting enough food into him, he is very traumatized by syringe feeding and we can't get another feeding tube for atleast another week or two. I won't even weight him because it will only freak me out. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
To Cassandra: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
Hey Cassandra, Since the doxy is so important in treating the hemobart, how long was Tomi on it? It doesn't seem like he's had enought time on the doxy, especially if he did test positive for hemobart. Here is a good article on treating hemobartonella, but it says three weeks for the doxy. I concur with Phaewryn that the doxy might need to be given longer to work with the surpressed immune system, but I can't verify this over the Internet from the limited pages I have seen. All pages say three weeks. Keep doing all your supplements though, especially the lysine. Make sure your lysine has no additives, especially propylene glycol, which causes blood issues in cats. I don't have any advice on trying the Epogen (can't remember the name you wrote; it was something similar). You might talk to an internal veterinarian about this. I know it's hard Cassandra to deal with this on a day to day basis. Just try to make every day you do have the best so that you don't regret anything if Tomi does leave you. And take pictures. They are invaluable. It sounds like you are doing everything you can for Tomi. I will pray for his regained health, and for peace for you. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
Re: To Cassandra: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
Hey Cassandra. What Tomi's going through sounds very similar to what Slinky went through (though his numbers were MUCH lower and his transfusion really didn't help him any). I would probably keep him on the doxy...I don't think that would hurt. Re: Epogen (Erythropoetin)...I don't know how much you know, but I'll share my limited knowledge and experience. Epogen is the hormone the kidneys produce that stimulates the bone marrow to produce red blood cells. It's typically given for kidney failure...which makes sense since it's there to replace the hormone the kidneys aren't producing. Some people on this list said they have seen it work for cats with felv who are anemic. It didn't really help Slinky at all. The vet was willing to try it but didn't think it would do much since she said (like yours) that his kidneys were probably producing it like crazy but his bone marrow couldn't respond. You can give Epogen at home yourself if you can get a scrip for it (it's given sub-q). One thing to note, since it's a human drug, they can develop antibodies to it. The numbers I've seen are that about 30-40% of cats will develop antibodies. Most of what you'll see online will say that it's given about 3 times a week (sometimes more for severe anemia). However, my vet (who I love and trust completely) did her own research and said that most people only give it once a week for felv cats. The reasoning is that a) cats with felv tend to develop the antibodies more quickly (so if it was going to work, it won't once the antibodies are developed) and b) because the kidneys are probably producing the hormone, by giving an additional dose 3 times a week you can actually overload the bone marrow and make matters worse rather than better. Just some things to keep in mind. Have you looked into anything like Interferon (alpha is the human drug, omega is for cats but is expensive and has to be ordered from another country) or Immuno Regulin? I tried IR with Slinky, but it didn't help. But it may have been that we started it too late. I don't know. There's some good info in the archives about both IR and Interferon. Someone also mentioned Dexamethasone to me for Slinky. It's a stronger steroid that may help stop the body from destroying the RBC's...and could even help him develop more. But since it's stronger, it can also further suppress the immmune system. I dont know much about dex though, so you'd have to look into it first. That's all I know. I hope you can sort everything out and find an effective way to treat Tomi. I'll be praying for you both that he will get better!! Hang in there. *hugs* MJ and Angel Slinky wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Cassandra, Since the doxy is so important in treating the hemobart, how long was Tomi on it? It doesn't seem like he's had enought time on the doxy, especially if he did test positive for hemobart. Here is a good article on treating hemobartonella, but it says three weeks for the doxy. I concur with Phaewryn that the doxy might need to be given longer to work with the surpressed immune system, but I can't verify this over the Internet from the limited pages I have seen. All pages say three weeks. Keep doing all your supplements though, especially the lysine. Make sure your lysine has no additives, especially propylene glycol, which causes blood issues in cats. I don't have any advice on trying the Epogen (can't remember the name you wrote; it was something similar). You might talk to an internal veterinarian about this. I know it's hard Cassandra to deal with this on a day to day basis. Just try to make every day you do have the best so that you don't regret anything if Tomi does leave you. And take pictures. They are invaluable. It sounds like you are doing everything you can for Tomi. I will pray for his regained health, and for peace for you. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears, one destroys. --Chief Dan George I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) - Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.
Re: To Cassandra: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
Thank you for the kind thoughts. Tomi has been on the Doxy for 3.5 weeks, since March 9. I can see if the vet would give me some more, though she said I don't need to give it any longer. I believe she's off work until Monday though, so I would have to speak with another vet. I'm trying to give him the supplements every day, but now he's turning up his nose at eating the baby food with the powder in it (he doesn't like wet food very much, only dry). I might have to use the syringe to get all those supplements into him, and I know he's not going to like that. I've got lots of pictures of him, but its hard to live each day, not knowing how long he is going to be with us. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: To Cassandra: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down,any suggestions? Hey Cassandra, Since the doxy is so important in treating the hemobart, how long was Tomi on it? It doesn't seem like he's had enought time on the doxy, especially if he did test positive for hemobart. Here is a good article on treating hemobartonella, but it says three weeks for the doxy. I concur with Phaewryn that the doxy might need to be given longer to work with the surpressed immune system, but I can't verify this over the Internet from the limited pages I have seen. All pages say three weeks. Keep doing all your supplements though, especially the lysine. Make sure your lysine has no additives, especially propylene glycol, which causes blood issues in cats. I don't have any advice on trying the Epogen (can't remember the name you wrote; it was something similar). You might talk to an internal veterinarian about this. I know it's hard Cassandra to deal with this on a day to day basis. Just try to make every day you do have the best so that you don't regret anything if Tomi does leave you. And take pictures. They are invaluable. It sounds like you are doing everything you can for Tomi. I will pray for his regained health, and for peace for you. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/745 - Release Date: 4/3/2007 12:48 PM
Re: To Cassandra: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
Thank you. Yes I am giving Interferon Alpha, but haven't looked at Immuno regulin or Dexamethasone. I'm not sure if I should be giving him even more than he is already on right now. I'll have to check into those though, if the Prednisone doesn't help. Tomi has been acting a little bit odd yesterday and today. He seems a bit restless, looking around like he is searching for something. It could be he's just looking for some more dirt to eat, since I got rid of all the clay cat litter. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Marissa Johnson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:00 AM Subject: Re: To Cassandra: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down,any suggestions? Hey Cassandra. What Tomi's going through sounds very similar to what Slinky went through (though his numbers were MUCH lower and his transfusion really didn't help him any). I would probably keep him on the doxy...I don't think that would hurt. Re: Epogen (Erythropoetin)...I don't know how much you know, but I'll share my limited knowledge and experience. Epogen is the hormone the kidneys produce that stimulates the bone marrow to produce red blood cells. It's typically given for kidney failure...which makes sense since it's there to replace the hormone the kidneys aren't producing. Some people on this list said they have seen it work for cats with felv who are anemic. It didn't really help Slinky at all. The vet was willing to try it but didn't think it would do much since she said (like yours) that his kidneys were probably producing it like crazy but his bone marrow couldn't respond. You can give Epogen at home yourself if you can get a scrip for it (it's given sub-q). One thing to note, since it's a human drug, they can develop antibodies to it. The numbers I've seen are that about 30-40% of cats will develop antibodies. Most of what you'll see online will say that it's given about 3 times a week (sometimes more for severe anemia). However, my vet (who I love and trust completely) did her own research and said that most people only give it once a week for felv cats. The reasoning is that a) cats with felv tend to develop the antibodies more quickly (so if it was going to work, it won't once the antibodies are developed) and b) because the kidneys are probably producing the hormone, by giving an additional dose 3 times a week you can actually overload the bone marrow and make matters worse rather than better. Just some things to keep in mind. Have you looked into anything like Interferon (alpha is the human drug, omega is for cats but is expensive and has to be ordered from another country) or Immuno Regulin? I tried IR with Slinky, but it didn't help. But it may have been that we started it too late. I don't know. There's some good info in the archives about both IR and Interferon. Someone also mentioned Dexamethasone to me for Slinky. It's a stronger steroid that may help stop the body from destroying the RBC's...and could even help him develop more. But since it's stronger, it can also further suppress the immmune system. I dont know much about dex though, so you'd have to look into it first. That's all I know. I hope you can sort everything out and find an effective way to treat Tomi. I'll be praying for you both that he will get better!! Hang in there. *hugs* MJ and Angel Slinky wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Cassandra, Since the doxy is so important in treating the hemobart, how long was Tomi on it? It doesn't seem like he's had enought time on the doxy, especially if he did test positive for hemobart. Here is a good article on treating hemobartonella, but it says three weeks for the doxy. I concur with Phaewryn that the doxy might need to be given longer to work with the surpressed immune system, but I can't verify this over the Internet from the limited pages I have seen. All pages say three weeks. Keep doing all your supplements though, especially the lysine. Make sure your lysine has no additives, especially propylene glycol, which causes blood issues in cats. I don't have any advice on trying the Epogen (can't remember the name you wrote; it was something similar). You might talk to an internal veterinarian about this. I know it's hard Cassandra to deal with this on a day to day basis. Just try to make every day you do have the best so that you don't regret anything if Tomi does leave you. And take pictures. They are invaluable. It sounds like you are doing everything you can for Tomi. I will pray for his regained health, and for peace for you. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
I t can take up to 6 weeks to rid the body of the Hemobartonella he should be on the doxy for a minimum of 4 weeks and longer if the HCT isn't normal after that. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
Tomi has been on the Doxy for about 3 and a half weeks, so the vet said that is enough time and didn't give me any more Doxy pills. I hope that is enough timeI was thinking 4 weeks also, but she said it wasn't necessary. If Hemobartonella comes back, will it take awhile to return, or can it return quickly? I would at least like to get him through this present anemic crisis before I have to deal with Hemobart if it came back again. - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 2:00 AM Subject: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions? I t can take up to 6 weeks to rid the body of the Hemobartonella he should be on the doxy for a minimum of 4 weeks and longer if the HCT isn't normal after that. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/744 - Release Date: 4/3/2007 5:32 AM
Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
15-17 is considered severly anemic. That's about where my foster Stamp is right now. This is a great web page for cat Hemotology at different stages of life: http://www.cathelp-online.com/health/glossary2.php Beth Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish I could be of more help. Joey is on the same regimen and his rbc was below 3 last he went to the doctor. It makes me think 17 is really good:(. On 4/2/07, C J wrote: Just by way of background info: March 9, I took Tomi to the vet and found out he had Hemobartonella, Feline Leukemia, and a red blood count of 9. The did a transfusion, bringing his count up to 13. He started taking Doxycycline, and Prednisone, 2 pills per day. One week later, his red blood cells were up to 17, and his Prednisone was dropped to 1 pill per day. In another week, his red blood cells were 19, and the vet stopped giving him the Prednisone. I've noticed since he stopped the Prednisone that he became a little less active, and when he went to the vet today, his red blood cells had dropped to 17. The vet gave me another bottle of Prednisone, and I am supposed to continue giving him 1 per day. Giving him this drug scares me, because I am afraid it will weaken his immune system too much. I am also giving him Interferon (1cc per day), 1/4 tsp Mega C Plus, 1 Transfer Factor capsule, and about 1/2 capsule of L-lysine. I've been giving these for 1-2 weeks in baby food. I asked the vet about Erythopotein, and she didn't think it would be of much help since she didn't think Tomi's bone marrow was healthy enough to respond to it. I could probably insist that we try it though if it might help. The vet thinks that the FeLV is responsible for destroying the blood cells in Tomi's bone marrow. I was really hoping that once we got rid of the Hemobartonella, that Tomi's red blood count would get back to normal, but it looks like that may not be the case. This is so hard to deal with on a daily basis, never knowing if he's going to get better, or if these are the last days I will get to spend with him. Each kitty on this list that passes away brings tears to my eyes, and I can't help but wonder if my little boy might be next. If anyone has a suggestion of what else I might be able to do to help him, I would be greaty appreciative. Cassandra -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
That is an awesome site. Thank you! Joey's RBC is 2.59. So if 15-17 is considered severely anemic...what is 2.59 considered? On 4/3/07, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 15-17 is considered severly anemic. That's about where my foster Stamp is right now. This is a great web page for cat Hemotology at different stages of life: http://www.cathelp-online.com/health/glossary2.php Beth Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish I could be of more help. Joey is on the same regimen and his rbc was below 3 last he went to the doctor. It makes me think 17 is really good:(. On 4/2/07, C J wrote: Just by way of background info: March 9, I took Tomi to the vet and found out he had Hemobartonella, Feline Leukemia, and a red blood count of 9. The did a transfusion, bringing his count up to 13. He started taking Doxycycline, and Prednisone, 2 pills per day. One week later, his red blood cells were up to 17, and his Prednisone was dropped to 1 pill per day. In another week, his red blood cells were 19, and the vet stopped giving him the Prednisone. I've noticed since he stopped the Prednisone that he became a little less active, and when he went to the vet today, his red blood cells had dropped to 17. The vet gave me another bottle of Prednisone, and I am supposed to continue giving him 1 per day. Giving him this drug scares me, because I am afraid it will weaken his immune system too much. I am also giving him Interferon (1cc per day), 1/4 tsp Mega C Plus, 1 Transfer Factor capsule, and about 1/2 capsule of L-lysine. I've been giving these for 1-2 weeks in baby food. I asked the vet about Erythopotein, and she didn't think it would be of much help since she didn't think Tomi's bone marrow was healthy enough to respond to it. I could probably insist that we try it though if it might help. The vet thinks that the FeLV is responsible for destroying the blood cells in Tomi's bone marrow. I was really hoping that once we got rid of the Hemobartonella, that Tomi's red blood count would get back to normal, but it looks like that may not be the case. This is so hard to deal with on a daily basis, never knowing if he's going to get better, or if these are the last days I will get to spend with him. Each kitty on this list that passes away brings tears to my eyes, and I can't help but wonder if my little boy might be next. If anyone has a suggestion of what else I might be able to do to help him, I would be greaty appreciative. Cassandra -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
Hmm I think we must be talking about different blood values. The chart on that site says normal RBC is about 5-10, so that is maybe where Joey is measuring a 2.59. Tomi is measuring 17, where the normal range is 24-34, so that must be the PCV. I am not really sure what the difference is though, as they both measure red blood cells from what I gather. How is Joey doing, is he active at all, eating well? Tomi isn't as active as normal, but he is eating, though sometimes he needs some encouragement. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 9:23 AM Subject: Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions? That is an awesome site. Thank you! Joey's RBC is 2.59. So if 15-17 is considered severely anemic...what is 2.59 considered? On 4/3/07, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 15-17 is considered severly anemic. That's about where my foster Stamp is right now. This is a great web page for cat Hemotology at different stages of life: http://www.cathelp-online.com/health/glossary2.php Beth Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish I could be of more help. Joey is on the same regimen and his rbc was below 3 last he went to the doctor. It makes me think 17 is really good:(. On 4/2/07, C J wrote: Just by way of background info: March 9, I took Tomi to the vet and found out he had Hemobartonella, Feline Leukemia, and a red blood count of 9. The did a transfusion, bringing his count up to 13. He started taking Doxycycline, and Prednisone, 2 pills per day. One week later, his red blood cells were up to 17, and his Prednisone was dropped to 1 pill per day. In another week, his red blood cells were 19, and the vet stopped giving him the Prednisone. I've noticed since he stopped the Prednisone that he became a little less active, and when he went to the vet today, his red blood cells had dropped to 17. The vet gave me another bottle of Prednisone, and I am supposed to continue giving him 1 per day. Giving him this drug scares me, because I am afraid it will weaken his immune system too much. I am also giving him Interferon (1cc per day), 1/4 tsp Mega C Plus, 1 Transfer Factor capsule, and about 1/2 capsule of L-lysine. I've been giving these for 1-2 weeks in baby food. I asked the vet about Erythopotein, and she didn't think it would be of much help since she didn't think Tomi's bone marrow was healthy enough to respond to it. I could probably insist that we try it though if it might help. The vet thinks that the FeLV is responsible for destroying the blood cells in Tomi's bone marrow. I was really hoping that once we got rid of the Hemobartonella, that Tomi's red blood count would get back to normal, but it looks like that may not be the case. This is so hard to deal with on a daily basis, never knowing if he's going to get better, or if these are the last days I will get to spend with him. Each kitty on this list that passes away brings tears to my eyes, and I can't help but wonder if my little boy might be next. If anyone has a suggestion of what else I might be able to do to help him, I would be greaty appreciative. Cassandra -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.25/744 - Release Date: 4/3/2007 5:32 AM
Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
Your vet is wrong. It COMMONLY take 6 weeks. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
Just by way of background info: March 9, I took Tomi to the vet and found out he had Hemobartonella, Feline Leukemia, and a red blood count of 9. The did a transfusion, bringing his count up to 13. He started taking Doxycycline, and Prednisone, 2 pills per day. One week later, his red blood cells were up to 17, and his Prednisone was dropped to 1 pill per day. In another week, his red blood cells were 19, and the vet stopped giving him the Prednisone. I've noticed since he stopped the Prednisone that he became a little less active, and when he went to the vet today, his red blood cells had dropped to 17. The vet gave me another bottle of Prednisone, and I am supposed to continue giving him 1 per day. Giving him this drug scares me, because I am afraid it will weaken his immune system too much. I am also giving him Interferon (1cc per day), 1/4 tsp Mega C Plus, 1 Transfer Factor capsule, and about 1/2 capsule of L-lysine. I've been giving these for 1-2 weeks in baby food. I asked the vet about Erythopotein, and she didn't think it would be of much help since she didn't think Tomi's bone marrow was healthy enough to respond to it. I could probably insist that we try it though if it might help. The vet thinks that the FeLV is responsible for destroying the blood cells in Tomi's bone marrow. I was really hoping that once we got rid of the Hemobartonella, that Tomi's red blood count would get back to normal, but it looks like that may not be the case. This is so hard to deal with on a daily basis, never knowing if he's going to get better, or if these are the last days I will get to spend with him. Each kitty on this list that passes away brings tears to my eyes, and I can't help but wonder if my little boy might be next. If anyone has a suggestion of what else I might be able to do to help him, I would be greaty appreciative. Cassandra
Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
I wish I could be of more help. Joey is on the same regimen and his rbc was below 3 last he went to the doctor. It makes me think 17 is really good:(. On 4/2/07, C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just by way of background info: March 9, I took Tomi to the vet and found out he had Hemobartonella, Feline Leukemia, and a red blood count of 9. The did a transfusion, bringing his count up to 13. He started taking Doxycycline, and Prednisone, 2 pills per day. One week later, his red blood cells were up to 17, and his Prednisone was dropped to 1 pill per day. In another week, his red blood cells were 19, and the vet stopped giving him the Prednisone. I've noticed since he stopped the Prednisone that he became a little less active, and when he went to the vet today, his red blood cells had dropped to 17. The vet gave me another bottle of Prednisone, and I am supposed to continue giving him 1 per day. Giving him this drug scares me, because I am afraid it will weaken his immune system too much. I am also giving him Interferon (1cc per day), 1/4 tsp Mega C Plus, 1 Transfer Factor capsule, and about 1/2 capsule of L-lysine. I've been giving these for 1-2 weeks in baby food. I asked the vet about Erythopotein, and she didn't think it would be of much help since she didn't think Tomi's bone marrow was healthy enough to respond to it. I could probably insist that we try it though if it might help. The vet thinks that the FeLV is responsible for destroying the blood cells in Tomi's bone marrow. I was really hoping that once we got rid of the Hemobartonella, that Tomi's red blood count would get back to normal, but it looks like that may not be the case. This is so hard to deal with on a daily basis, never knowing if he's going to get better, or if these are the last days I will get to spend with him. Each kitty on this list that passes away brings tears to my eyes, and I can't help but wonder if my little boy might be next. If anyone has a suggestion of what else I might be able to do to help him, I would be greaty appreciative. Cassandra -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
At 04:43 PM 4/2/2007, you wrote: In this case I would sure continue the prednisone. or ask about prednisolone,If his blood drops further than everything else is a mute point Kelly Just by way of background info: March 9, I took Tomi to the vet and found out he had Hemobartonella, Feline Leukemia, and a red blood count of 9. The did a transfusion, bringing his count up to 13. He started taking Doxycycline, and Prednisone, 2 pills per day. One week later, his red blood cells were up to 17, and his Prednisone was dropped to 1 pill per day. In another week, his red blood cells were 19, and the vet stopped giving him the Prednisone. I've noticed since he stopped the Prednisone that he became a little less active, and when he went to the vet today, his red blood cells had dropped to 17. The vet gave me another bottle of Prednisone, and I am supposed to continue giving him 1 per day. Giving him this drug scares me, because I am afraid it will weaken his immune system too much. I am also giving him Interferon (1cc per day), 1/4 tsp Mega C Plus, 1 Transfer Factor capsule, and about 1/2 capsule of L-lysine. I've been giving these for 1-2 weeks in baby food. I asked the vet about Erythopotein, and she didn't think it would be of much help since she didn't think Tomi's bone marrow was healthy enough to respond to it. I could probably insist that we try it though if it might help. The vet thinks that the FeLV is responsible for destroying the blood cells in Tomi's bone marrow. I was really hoping that once we got rid of the Hemobartonella, that Tomi's red blood count would get back to normal, but it looks like that may not be the case. This is so hard to deal with on a daily basis, never knowing if he's going to get better, or if these are the last days I will get to spend with him. Each kitty on this list that passes away brings tears to my eyes, and I can't help but wonder if my little boy might be next. If anyone has a suggestion of what else I might be able to do to help him, I would be greaty appreciative. Cassandra No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.24/742 - Release Date: 4/1/2007
Re: Tomi's red blood cell count going down, any suggestions?
Two points isn't really a big deal during treatment (17 is low, but not dangerously low), especially since you stopped the pred right before that test. Most hemobart cases DO respond, sometimes it just takes a month or so to see the number go up. Have patience and faith (and it wouldn't hurt to keep your fingers crossed either). Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: anyone have any room or any suggestions?
First of all I would ask if Mustache's FeLV status has been confirmed with an IFA test which would indicate whether or not he is l ikely to remain persistently viremic. Secondly, I would adavise the person who is caring for Mustache NOT to give him any vaccinations...this will only be an assault on his immune system that he may not be able to withstand. Repeated vaccination with combo vaccines is not good for healthy cats and there is no point in giving vaccines to a cat who is immunocompromised. The best thing to do for cats who have a compromised immune system it to keep them indoors and away from cats who may go outside and bring pathogens in to threaten their immune system, keep all types of stress to a minmimum and feed them a healthy diet with immune support. Unless the shelter allows the cats to run freely in groups, the other cats at the shelter are at no risk due to Mustache, while he would be at risk from exposure to them. The FeLV virus is not airborne and transmission other than from repeated, direct contact wirh a cat in stage 4-6 who is actively shedding the virus is highly unlikely as long as reasonably good hygiene (washing hands, food bowls, etc.) is practiced. It seems that whoever is caring for Mustache needs to learn more about FeLV and caring for a cat who is immunocompromised so that he/she can better advice potential adopters. Is there anyone on this list in their area who might be able to help in that regard. If people were better educated about FeLV, it might be easier to find foster homes and/or people willing to adopt them. Sally in San Jose
Re: anyone have any room or any suggestions?
no room here but, I ask around CherieBarbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 874379- Cat:Domestic short hair grey whiteMiddletown,NY 845-434-1456 Helen Heater [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03-10-2005 Name: MustacheAge:3 yearsSex:MSize:MDelete Is there a saving grace for Mustache? Mustache is a 3 year old DSH grey white male cat with feline leukemia. He was a stray that was saved from dying in the street. He has an extremely amiable personality. He is great with other cats but due to his virus he must be with only other leukemia cats or an only cat. Given proper care Mustache could live his remaining time out peacefully. Please we really love him and need a home for him. He can not go to the shelter because his virus is contagious to other cats. Mustaches Dad will pay for his neuter surgery he will have his current vaccines befor placement. He currently is in an isolation unit at the local vet office. My name is Helen and I can be reached at:845-733-4350 on the days of Wed.,Thurs., Fri-all day or 845-434-1456 on the days of Sat.-Tues after 6pm or Fridays after 8pm or at my job on the days of Sat.-Tues 8am-5pm.Please leave message on machine at work because we may be in kennel not answering.
Re: anyone have any room or any suggestions?
thanks. between dopey still spraying whenever we spring her from isolation room adn now my allergies really acting up, I just can't take in anymore at this time. we've even put our search for a 2nd dog on hold til figure out the why of the allergies. I did tell her to get on waiting list at angel's gate also. also interesting note, the rescue i sometimes work for, had a casino night, took in 16 thousand which pays for a week and a half of expenses. omigod i need to win a really big lotterylike megamillions big. barbara - Original Message - From: Cherie A Gabbert To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 1:23 PM Subject: Re: anyone have any room or any suggestions? no room here but, I ask around CherieBarbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 874379- Cat:Domestic short hair grey whiteMiddletown,NY 845-434-1456 Helen Heater [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03-10-2005 Name: MustacheAge:3 yearsSex:MSize:MDelete Is there a saving grace for Mustache? Mustache is a 3 year old DSH grey white male cat with feline leukemia. He was a stray that was saved from dying in the street. He has an extremely amiable personality. He is great with other cats but due to his virus he must be with only other leukemia cats or an only cat. Given proper care Mustache could live his remaining time out peacefully. Please we really love him and need a home for him. He can not go to the shelter because his virus is contagious to other cats. Mustaches Dad will pay for his neuter surgery he will have his current vaccines befor placement. He currently is in an isolation unit at the local vet office. My name is Helen and I can be reached at:845-733-4350 on the days of Wed.,Thurs., Fri-all day or 845-434-1456 on the days of Sat.-Tues after 6pm or Fridays after 8pm or at my job on the days of Sat.-Tues 8am-5pm.Please leave message on machine at work because we may be in kennel not answering.
