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Question, Laurie, How much food (size of bag) did you put into the tupperware, and how fast was it getting used? And was it just the Wellness that had a problem, or I guess there is no way to tell that. Right now I do a "mix" on my dry foods, I dump it all into a "kitty meals on wheels" that holds about 45 lbs of food. These are the big pet bins that you can buy @ the Container Store. I put in 12.5 of Wellness Core (largest size bag they have), 16 lbs. of Innova Evo, and the rest is either Wellness Chicken or the Salmon, Innova in the "red" bag, Eukanuba, Blue Star or sometimes Nutro if it is on sale / have coupons. I try to steer clear of grains, especially corn, since I have a few cats that react to them. Their main diet is the Core & Evo though, and sometimes they get 2 bags of Wellness Core because the bags are so small. (This procedure is for my non felv+ cats, however, the felv+ cats only get Core & Evo). Anyway, house cats eat / go through about 5 lbs per day I figure, so, every 9 to 10 days I refill. So, I wonder @ what point timewise is too long for the food to be out of the bag? I "rotate out" my 2 bins, when one is emptied, I refill it but use it after I use the food in the "other" full bin, make sense? I do this for my ferals, also, they get a mix of Purina One dry, Purina Cat Chow, Kirkland's & Friskies, plus moist Friskies every morning. (Funny story, this morning I was in the feral bin refilling my little tote bucket for my car, and I spilled some of their mix onto the floor. You should have seen how fast my housecats started to eat it. It was like they were children getting "junk food". I quickly grabbed the broom and swept it up, did not want them to eat it then puke it... They were disappointed, of course :( ) Also, the food is kept in a fairly "dark" spot, it is under a large kitchen table in the "cat room", not much light @ all. On top of the table are 2 of their food bowls & 2 Drinkwells. Anyway, one more question, Laurie, what were the symptoms for Coco's muscular problems? Just curious. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent ----- Original Message - From: "laurieskatz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:37 PM Subject: Re: treats and supplement questions... Susan, YES mine love the Solid Gold canned tuna. I forgot about that. I am feeding mostly Petguard right now but they all love the SG tuna. We used to feed Turkey and Salmon Wellness! And you probably saw what I just posted about dry EVO. We had a bad experience with the Wellness dry...Coco's muscles were dying. It was attributed to a selenium and vitamin (I forget if its was D or E) deficiency. At that time she ate only Wellness dry. We switched to Wellness canned at that time and she is still with me. The problem could have been with ME as I poured the bag into a Tupperware container. The vet said that was too much air for the food ~ oxygen depletes the food of the selenium and Vitamin. She told me to keep dry food in the original bag, keep it sealed and throw out uneaten food once or twice daily. L
Re: treats and supplement questions...
Susan, YES mine love the Solid Gold canned tuna. I forgot about that. I am feeding mostly Petguard right now but they all love the SG tuna. We used to feed Turkey and Salmon Wellness! And you probably saw what I just posted about dry EVO. We had a bad experience with the Wellness dry...Coco's muscles were dying. It was attributed to a selenium and vitamin (I forget if its was D or E) deficiency. At that time she ate only Wellness dry. We switched to Wellness canned at that time and she is still with me. The problem could have been with ME as I poured the bag into a Tupperware container. The vet said that was too much air for the food ~ oxygen depletes the food of the selenium and Vitamin. She told me to keep dry food in the original bag, keep it sealed and throw out uneaten food once or twice daily. L - Original Message - From: "Susan Dubose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 8:15 PM Subject: Re: treats and supplement questions... Try to find the "Solid Gold" Gourmet Tuna for cats. it's formulated for cats, but is a good quality. Pretty nasty looking stuff, has a thick gooey gravey that chunks of tuna swim in.. it's also pretty expensive. I pay about $1.50 for a 6oz can. Only my felv+ cats get it (due to price) and my 15 year old. The rest of the hooligans have to suffer w/ either Wellness, Pet Guard or Innova moist :( The Wellness Core is a great dry food, as is the Innova Evo. I go to a pet specialty store for these items, and since the food scare, they can hardly keep the better foods on the shelves. I am glad people are finally waking up feeding their pets better, to say the least. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: "glenda Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:34 PM Subject: Re: treats and supplement questions... Yes, that is one reason I have not even tried making my own pet food yet. Even if I did, I would always want to have a good quality dry food back up , just to cover all the bases. I do leave dry food out for my cats all day... If there were a good recipe, that perhaps consisted of a few vegetables and rice , organ meat, of this kind or that, that my cats would really like, it would certainly make me feel like I were doing a good thing for them. I have never felt that comfortable about canned cat food. I guess that is why I have just fed dry and figured out things for treats. At times I have added different types of canned to their diet for treats...Some they have liked and some they have not...I have wasted a lot of food as my guys are picky... Of course, after the pet food scare and all the negative things people started saying about our pet foods, I am even more creeped out. I do appreciate the feedback I'm getting on tuna. I guess I always thought the pure, human grade tuna was a better deal...and at least it was tuna...not tuna guts or worse, but I better realize there is a lot I need to learn. Thanks, Glenda --- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Try to find the "Solid Gold" Gourmet Tuna for cats. it's formulated for cats, but is a good quality. Pretty nasty looking stuff, has a thick gooey gravey that chunks of tuna swim in.. it's also pretty expensive. I pay about $1.50 for a 6oz can. Only my felv+ cats get it (due to price) and my 15 year old. The rest of the hooligans have to suffer w/ either Wellness, Pet Guard or Innova moist :( The Wellness Core is a great dry food, as is the Innova Evo. I go to a pet specialty store for these items, and since the food scare, they can hardly keep the better foods on the shelves. I am glad people are finally waking up feeding their pets better, to say the least. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: "glenda Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:34 PM Subject: Re: treats and supplement questions... Yes, that is one reason I have not even tried making my own pet food yet. Even if I did, I would always want to have a good quality dry food back up , just to cover all the bases. I do leave dry food out for my cats all day... If there were a good recipe, that perhaps consisted of a few vegetables and rice , organ meat, of this kind or that, that my cats would really like, it would certainly make me feel like I were doing a good thing for them. I have never felt that comfortable about canned cat food. I guess that is why I have just fed dry and figured out things for treats. At times I have added different types of canned to their diet for treats...Some they have liked and some they have not...I have wasted a lot of food as my guys are picky... Of course, after the pet food scare and all the negative things people started saying about our pet foods, I am even more creeped out. I do appreciate the feedback I'm getting on tuna. I guess I always thought the pure, human grade tuna was a better deal...and at least it was tuna...not tuna guts or worse, but I better realize there is a lot I need to learn. Thanks, Glenda --- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Try Primal Raw. It comes in little cubes and is great. At least Dixie likes it. Especially mixed with veggies and whatever else I have around. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: "glenda Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:34 PM Subject: Re: treats and supplement questions... Yes, that is one reason I have not even tried making my own pet food yet. Even if I did, I would always want to have a good quality dry food back up , just to cover all the bases. I do leave dry food out for my cats all day... If there were a good recipe, that perhaps consisted of a few vegetables and rice , organ meat, of this kind or that, that my cats would really like, it would certainly make me feel like I were doing a good thing for them. I have never felt that comfortable about canned cat food. I guess that is why I have just fed dry and figured out things for treats. At times I have added different types of canned to their diet for treats...Some they have liked and some they have not...I have wasted a lot of food as my guys are picky... Of course, after the pet food scare and all the negative things people started saying about our pet foods, I am even more creeped out. I do appreciate the feedback I'm getting on tuna. I guess I always thought the pure, human grade tuna was a better deal...and at least it was tuna...not tuna guts or worse, but I better realize there is a lot I need to learn. Thanks, Glenda --- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The only I will say about making your own cat food is that you really, really, really need to know what you are doing, or you could cause a nutrition deficit in your cat. I would just do LOTS of research, and talk to a vet that you trust. As far as Lysine, if you can give it to all of your cats, it can only help boost their immune systems. It certainly wouldn't hurt. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: "glenda Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: Re: treats and supplement questions... Wendy, Thanks for getting back to me on this. I checked the other ingredients: Cellulose(plant origen), Silica, Vegetable Magnesium Stearate. It looks like I'm safe...Well, it sure is nice being just a few clicks away from getting answers to my questions... I'll probably get my next bottle at the local health food store, but I think anything there, will be pretty equal to what I have? By the way, for anyone who has never bought Lysine, it is very inexpensive. I think this huge bottle was under $8.00. I can certainly afford to give it to all of my cats and I think I will, at least a few times per week. Eventually, I seriously want to start making my own cat food for them, if only as an additional food, to keep everyone healthy. It is so easy to just buy a bag of dry food, but I really do not think any commercial food could be better than a very carefully thought out homemade recipe.Does anyone here make their own cat food? It is just a matter of finding the time, right? I'm also open to other supplements to boost Gracie's system...someone said vitamin C was good. I do not want to get too carried away and know I need to watch out to not over do it... THANK YOU BUNCHES! Glenda --- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz
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Yes, that is one reason I have not even tried making my own pet food yet. Even if I did, I would always want to have a good quality dry food back up , just to cover all the bases. I do leave dry food out for my cats all day... If there were a good recipe, that perhaps consisted of a few vegetables and rice , organ meat, of this kind or that, that my cats would really like, it would certainly make me feel like I were doing a good thing for them. I have never felt that comfortable about canned cat food. I guess that is why I have just fed dry and figured out things for treats. At times I have added different types of canned to their diet for treats...Some they have liked and some they have not...I have wasted a lot of food as my guys are picky... Of course, after the pet food scare and all the negative things people started saying about our pet foods, I am even more creeped out. I do appreciate the feedback I'm getting on tuna. I guess I always thought the pure, human grade tuna was a better deal...and at least it was tuna...not tuna guts or worse, but I better realize there is a lot I need to learn. Thanks, Glenda --- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The only I will say about making your own cat food > is that you really, > really, really need to know what you are doing, or > you could cause a > nutrition deficit in your cat. > > I would just do LOTS of research, and talk to a vet > that you trust. > > > As far as Lysine, if you can give it to all of your > cats, it can only help > boost their immune systems. > > It certainly wouldn't hurt. > > Susan J. DuBose >^..^< > www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com > www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org > www.shadowcats.net > "As Cleopatra lay > in state, >Faithful Bast at > her side did wait, >Purring welcomes > of soft applause, >Ever guarding > with sharpened claws." > Trajan > Tennent > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "glenda Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 1:50 PM > Subject: Re: treats and supplement questions... > > > Wendy, Thanks for getting back to me on this. > I checked the other ingredients: Cellulose(plant > origen), Silica, Vegetable Magnesium Stearate. It > looks like I'm safe...Well, it sure is nice being > just > a few clicks away from getting answers to my > questions... > I'll probably get my next bottle at the local health > food store, but I think anything there, will be > pretty > equal to what I have? > By the way, for anyone who has never bought Lysine, > it > is very inexpensive. I think this huge bottle was > under $8.00. I can certainly afford to give it to > all > of my cats and I think I will, at least a few times > per week. > Eventually, I seriously want to start making my own > cat food for them, if only as an additional food, to > keep everyone healthy. > It is so easy to just buy a bag of dry food, but I > really do not think any commercial food could be > better than a very carefully thought out homemade > recipe.Does anyone here make their own cat food? > It is just a matter of finding the time, right? I'm > also open to other supplements to boost Gracie's > system...someone said vitamin C was good. I do not > want to get too carried away and know I need to > watch > out to not over do it... > THANK YOU BUNCHES! > Glenda > --- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz
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The only I will say about making your own cat food is that you really, really, really need to know what you are doing, or you could cause a nutrition deficit in your cat. I would just do LOTS of research, and talk to a vet that you trust. As far as Lysine, if you can give it to all of your cats, it can only help boost their immune systems. It certainly wouldn't hurt. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: "glenda Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 1:50 PM Subject: Re: treats and supplement questions... Wendy, Thanks for getting back to me on this. I checked the other ingredients: Cellulose(plant origen), Silica, Vegetable Magnesium Stearate. It looks like I'm safe...Well, it sure is nice being just a few clicks away from getting answers to my questions... I'll probably get my next bottle at the local health food store, but I think anything there, will be pretty equal to what I have? By the way, for anyone who has never bought Lysine, it is very inexpensive. I think this huge bottle was under $8.00. I can certainly afford to give it to all of my cats and I think I will, at least a few times per week. Eventually, I seriously want to start making my own cat food for them, if only as an additional food, to keep everyone healthy. It is so easy to just buy a bag of dry food, but I really do not think any commercial food could be better than a very carefully thought out homemade recipe.Does anyone here make their own cat food? It is just a matter of finding the time, right? I'm also open to other supplements to boost Gracie's system...someone said vitamin C was good. I do not want to get too carried away and know I need to watch out to not over do it... THANK YOU BUNCHES! Glenda --- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Wendy, Thanks for getting back to me on this. I checked the other ingredients: Cellulose(plant origen), Silica, Vegetable Magnesium Stearate. It looks like I'm safe...Well, it sure is nice being just a few clicks away from getting answers to my questions... I'll probably get my next bottle at the local health food store, but I think anything there, will be pretty equal to what I have? By the way, for anyone who has never bought Lysine, it is very inexpensive. I think this huge bottle was under $8.00. I can certainly afford to give it to all of my cats and I think I will, at least a few times per week. Eventually, I seriously want to start making my own cat food for them, if only as an additional food, to keep everyone healthy. It is so easy to just buy a bag of dry food, but I really do not think any commercial food could be better than a very carefully thought out homemade recipe.Does anyone here make their own cat food? It is just a matter of finding the time, right? I'm also open to other supplements to boost Gracie's system...someone said vitamin C was good. I do not want to get too carried away and know I need to watch out to not over do it... THANK YOU BUNCHES! Glenda --- wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Glenda, > > Does the lysine have any additives? Specifically, > does it contain propynol glycol; if so, DO NOT give > it to your furbabies. It would save you time if you > had caplets you could open and empty the lysine > powder out of them. But I don't think there's any > problem with tablets;only that they are probably too > big give to kittens uncrushed. Giving lysine is > great to FeLV+ kitties as it's an immune system > booster. Good call Glenda. I gave 500 mg. 2x per > day to my Smookie who was about 6-8 months old at > the time and a good weight for her corneal ulcer; > cleared it right up when nothing else would work for > her (stuff from the vet). So 500 mg. 1x per day > should be fine, unless Gracie is really, really > young. I don't supplement my healthy kitties, but > if you would like to, I really don't think it would > hurt anything. Hope this info. helps. > > :) > Wendy > > > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful > committed citizens can change the world - indeed it > is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade > ~~~ > > > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. > Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
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Hey Glenda, Does the lysine have any additives? Specifically, does it contain propynol glycol; if so, DO NOT give it to your furbabies. It would save you time if you had caplets you could open and empty the lysine powder out of them. But I don't think there's any problem with tablets;only that they are probably too big give to kittens uncrushed. Giving lysine is great to FeLV+ kitties as it's an immune system booster. Good call Glenda. I gave 500 mg. 2x per day to my Smookie who was about 6-8 months old at the time and a good weight for her corneal ulcer; cleared it right up when nothing else would work for her (stuff from the vet). So 500 mg. 1x per day should be fine, unless Gracie is really, really young. I don't supplement my healthy kitties, but if you would like to, I really don't think it would hurt anything. Hope this info. helps. :) Wendy "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
treats and supplement questions...
Since I do have much to learn about treating my FeLv+ kitten I am open to all suggestions and ideas and advice from you guys who have been dealing with these issues a long time... >From the start, I have been told Lysine was a good supplement. I first heard of giving lysine from a receptionist at my vet's office when I told her I had a couple new kittens that were sneezing , like about every 15-minutes, but had no other signs of sickness. I thought it might just be dust. Well, she said, give them 250 mg of lysine twice a day. OK, so I went to Walmart and got a large bottle of 250 tablets of 500 mg lysine. The label says L-Lysine 500 mg. Am I on track here? Is this what I can give my cats? Well, my little guys really are fine, the sneezing was probably dust, so that is not what I am using the lysine for. What I feel I should use it for is my quarantined FeLV+ kitten ,Gracie. I have read many times, by you guys, on this list, lysine is a good supplement to give our FeLV+ cats. I crushed and dissolved a large 500 mg tablet in a few tablespoons of water and poured this mixture over a large, crushed sardine and put it in front of Gracie...She ate the whole thing, fast! She loved it! Now, on the subject of Treats: For a while now, I had been giving my cats sardines for treats. You can get these packed in spring water,no salt added, from walmart. They are only .50 a can. It is a rectangular, flat can...I think it is a great deal. The entire can of sardines supplies 18 grams of protein, which is good for our FeLv + kitties too. I have always given my cats tuna, packed in water as a treat, but there is just too much mercury in tuna these days. I always feel guilty and worried about giving them tuna. The problem is my cats do have me trained and they often lead me to the kitchen and just demand their tuna. I will open a can ,but just give them a small pinch, as compared to how I used to indulge them. I'm trying to switch them over to liking the sardines, because it hardly has any mercury, being low on the food chain...However, with kittens and cats, who have NOT been spoiled by tuna, they automatically just love sardines! Gracie, who is almost 5-months old now and my two 3-month old kittens are crazy for sardines! These guys had never beed exposed to tuna... my four older cats who have developed this taste for tuna are kind of trying to hold out and acting disgusted when they see sardines on their plate instead of tuna...Do not worry I do feed a good quality dry food, these are just treats, but they get treated once or twice a day... I wanted to share all this with you guys and I need to get some input from you guys about if 500mg of lysine is what I should give Gracie, My FeLV+ kitty every day? The sardine trick with her makes it very easy. I can get the whole tablet down her at once if I need to, but maybe 250mg, twice a day, is better? I, also, would like some feedback on if it is a good idea, to give all my kitties at least 250mg of lysine a day, just for their immune systems? Thank you! Glenda Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
