[Felvtalk] Intravenous vitamin C in Pennsylvania
Some people on this board had asked me if I knew of a veterinarian in Pennsylvania who was using intravenous vitamin C in his/her practice and I have located the name of the following practitioner: Rose DiLeva, DVM, Animal Wellness Center, www.altpetdoc.com http://www.altpetdoc.com/ . FYI. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Intravenous vitamin C in Pennsylvania
Some people on this board had asked me if I knew of a veterinarian in Pennsylvania who was using intravenous vitamin C in his/her practice and I have located the name of the following practitioner: Rose DiLeva, DVM, Animal Wellness Center, www.altpetdoc.com http://www.altpetdoc.com/ . FYI. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Vitamin C research
By the way, I am not against vitamin therapy. I take a handful of vitamins and minerals several times a day. I do think Vitamin C along with other things has helped reduce the number and severity of colds I get. But I don't believe it can cure feline leukemia or FIP. Show me if you can. Merlin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vitamin C research
C and colds is a sure thing if i get it started in time. 3 hours tops and the cold sysmtoms are gone. May not cure felv, but it could help boost the immune system. i did vitamins (27 - 3 times a day) while on chemo and i know it kept me feeling better during that time. that and prayer got me into remission. chemo's did no good at all per my oncologist. mary (merlin) marshall merlinmarsh...@yahoo.com wrote: By the way, I am not against vitamin therapy. I take a handful of vitamins and minerals several times a day. I do think Vitamin C along with other things has helped reduce the number and severity of colds I get. But I don't believe it can cure feline leukemia or FIP. Show me if you can. Merlin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Vitamin C
Hello everyone, Does anyone have a good source for powdered vitamin C for cats. The shelter I volunteer for is looking to add vitamin C with the lysine and we are looking for a source that is tried and true. Thank you, Sue (katlover1300) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vitamin C
Well, you might check out Dr. Belfield's vitamin C - http://www.belfield.com/ Gloria On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Hello everyone, Does anyone have a good source for powdered vitamin C for cats. The shelter I volunteer for is looking to add vitamin C with the lysine and we are looking for a source that is tried and true. Thank you, Sue (katlover1300) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vitamin C
I have Sammie on MEGA C PLUS from Belfield website. I have been sprinkling this and AC-11 onto his food two times a day. I have been doing this since May so I don't know if it is working or not. Sammie is very healthy (as of today) but I'm trying to keep his immune system healthy. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vitamin C Well, you might check out Dr. Belfield's vitamin C - http://www.belfield.com/ Gloria On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Sue Frank Koren wrote: Hello everyone, Does anyone have a good source for powdered vitamin C for cats. The shelter I volunteer for is looking to add vitamin C with the lysine and we are looking for a source that is tried and true. Thank you, Sue (katlover1300) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vitamin C
I have used http://iherb.com for a long time and have been very happy with their prices and customer service. http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=vitamin%20c http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=lysine -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Possibly Very Important for FeLV kitties: IV Vitamin C being given for human cancer patients; FDA has recently approved
Hi guys, I have a friend who's husband just went through chemo for thyroid cancer (neck area). He's in his late twenties/early thirties. He is cancer-free now, thank the good Lord. She is a pharmaceutical rep. We were talking Sunday about Vitamin C and how it helped me to stop getting sick so much after I first started teaching, and somehow we got on the topic of cats and vitamin C being used to strengthen their immune systems. She told me through her research while her husband was sick, that she found recently that Vitamin C is now being given intraveneously to cancer patients who have lymphoma and breast cancer, as well as other cancers, and that they are responding to it very well. She said that the vitamin C once injected into the bloodstream either turns into or produces hydrogen peroxide, which travels through the blood stream, completely annihiliates the cancer cells and strengthens the good cells. As I understand it, cancer cells themselves are weak cells so they are easy to destroy; the problem with them is that they multiply easily, which is why cutting into cancer cells to remove them backfires often because the whole cancer cell(s) isn't always removed and new cancer cells grow from them. The bad thing about chemo is that yes, it does destroy cancer cells but it also destroys many of the good cells too. I think the numbers she quoted were with chemo, 85%+ of the bad cells can be destroyed, but 20-85% of the good cells are destroyed too. With Vitamin C, the studies are showing a better destruction rate of the cancer cells, and no destruction of the good cells. She said that the FDA has recently approved trials using the IV Vitamin C. Here is an article on that: http://www.physorg.com/news87833644.html I thought this was so important and wanted to share it with you guys, not only for our furbabies with leukemia, but also for those of you who have family members or friends who have or have had cancer. I have no idea how a cat's body would react to having Vitamin C injected into it's blood stream, but I would be VERY interested if the veterinary colleges have done any studies on this and what the outcome was. I did read that intraveneous vitamin c is given, along with other things, to treat acetaminophen toxicity in animals. (www.manhattancats.com/Articles/toxic_tragediesl.html) I also found this quote: Ascorbate when used at the proper high levels is a non-toxic, non-specific, therapeutic virucidal agent (Stone, 1972) in this website/article on : http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/197x/belfield-w-j_int_assn_prev_med-1978-v2-n3-p10.htm The article is from 1975 in a veterinary medicine journal and written by two vets. I also read this paragraph in that article: One of us (one of the two vets who wrote the article) has been using megascorbic veterinary therapy in the viral diseases for the past eight years although the rationale was not too clear in the early treatments. All that was known was that it worked and gave successful results where other treatments failed. We now know that we are merely duplicating and aiding a normal mammalian protective mechanism against disease stress by providing enough ascorbate to maintain biochemical homeostasis. This normally is the function of the mammalian liver but for some reason the liver enzymes do not seem to produce enough ascorbate, fast enough during disease stress in these small mammals. This successful therapy may be regarded as an application of veterinary orthomolecular medicine. And this paragraph: The intravenous use of ascorbate is especially valuable in the therapy of the viral diseases as it appears to be an effective, non-specific, non-toxic virucidal agent. We have not seen any viral disease that did not respond to this treatment. Successful therapy appears to depend on using it in sufficiently large doses. Also, as I was reading through the vitamin C Foundation's website, I did a search for feline, and found the article linked below. It says that hyper-oxygenation was found to 'get rid of' feline leukemia. The article stated that the two basic types of oxygen therapy are ozone blood infusion, and absorption of oxygen water (hydrogen peroxide) at very low concentrations. There's that hydrogen peroxide again! http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/oxygen.htm It's about 2/3 down the way of the very long article under Veterinary and Agricultural Applications. I just went under Edit, Find, and typed in 'feline', and it took me straight to the paragraph. Has anyone heard about this? Is this another crack pot cure? What do you think about all this???! Thanks, :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir
Best way to give Vitamin C?
The vet gave me some liquid Vitamin C to give Tomi, but it's horrible tasting stuff (I tried it). Very acidic/sour and chemical tasting. He absolutely hates it, and even gags afterwards, though he hasn't actually vomited anything up yet. I tried buying Vitamin C powder to see if he would eat it in baby food, but he knows its there and won't touch the food (he will eat the food with Lysine in it). Is there anything I could mix the powder with to reduce the acidic/sour taste that I could still administer with a syringe? Thanks, Cassandra
Re: Best way to give Vitamin C?
Hey. I've been trying to get Slinky to take his C and Lysine as well. I was mixing the powders with a little water and some dried chicken powder (I used to have somme Halo Dinner Party Chicken and Herbs food enhancer) and syringe feeding it. That went down fairly well...he LOVES that chicken taste. Tonight I mixed it in with a little chicken baby food, adding some water to thin it out, and syringe feeding that. He took that really well. Just some ideas...that's what I've done. I'd love to know if anyone has suggestions for ways to kill the taste though. Thanks! MJ C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The vet gave me some liquid Vitamin C to give Tomi, but it's horrible tasting stuff (I tried it). Very acidic/sour and chemical tasting. He absolutely hates it, and even gags afterwards, though he hasn't actually vomited anything up yet. I tried buying Vitamin C powder to see if he would eat it in baby food, but he knows its there and won't touch the food (he will eat the food with Lysine in it). Is there anything I could mix the powder with to reduce the acidic/sour taste that I could still administer with a syringe? Thanks, Cassandra - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center.
vitamin c?
ok hope this doesn't sound silly but where do i get vitamin c? like a health store and how much do i give?
Re: vitamin c?
Hi Kayte, Yes, you can get several different varieties of Vit C at the health food store. You can even find them at most pharmacies and even some supermarkets now. It's for people, and the doses listed on the bottles are *generally* geared towards people weighing about 120 to 150 lbs - so if your kitty only weighs 12-15 lbs, divide by 10. Start on the low side and work your way up slowly to tolerance - too much too fast will cause diarrhea. Also, as far as vets go - Terri (one of our listmembers) swears by Dr. Emily Jarvis at the Carnegie Cat Clinic in Princeton, NJ. Michelle is also on this list and says her mom uses Martinsville Animal Clinic. She completely loves one of the three vets there, the only woman, Dr. Caille (pronounced kay-lee?). And this link will give you the AAFP list of cat-specific vets in NJ http://www.aafponline.org/find_results.php?name=city=Anystate=NJcountry=USAzipcode=Submit=Submit (you can searh again with your zip code to narrow things down a bit) Kat (Mew Jersey) On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 08:50:47 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: vitamin c? ok hope this doesn't sound silly but where do i get vitamin c? like a health store and how much do i give?
Interferon dosing and vitamin C
Hi again, I met with my vet and she put Loca on interferon, vitamin C and vitamin E. My neighbor who works at a vet clinic was able to point me to where I could buy the interferon and I got it today. Reading the document wendy sent me it sounds like I should be giving her 30 IU a day. The bottle says 30 IU per ml, so that should be easy to figure out. Unfortunately, she is a tough one to give medicine to. I know the idea is for it to absorb into the membranes of her mouth an throat. Does anyone have tips on thebest way to do this? I have also read that some people give the interferon continuously and others do7 days on, 7 days off. Any opinions on what I should do? Loca is about 5 months, I just found out she tested positive for FeLV, but she is not showing any symptoms at this point. Thanks.
Re: Interferon dosing and vitamin C
The interferon leaves the body very quickly so I see no reason to do 7 on 7 off. I use it everyday. Karen
Re: Interferon dosing and vitamin C
I do daily interferon. I'm told that for FELV cats, one theory is that they don't produce enough interferon. So doesn't make sense to do the on and off. Just what I've heard and practiced, there's so much that we really don't know about FELV. Gloria On May 23, 2006, at 2:51 PM, Noelle Ehrenkaufer wrote: Hi again, I met with my vet and she put Loca on interferon, vitamin C and vitamin E. My neighbor who works at a vet clinic was able to point me to where I could buy the interferon and I got it today. Reading the document wendy sent me it sounds like I should be giving her 30 IU a day. The bottle says 30 IU per ml, so that should be easy to figure out. Unfortunately, she is a tough one to give medicine to. I know the idea is for it to absorb into the membranes of her mouth an throat. Does anyone have tips on the best way to do this? I have also read that some people give the interferon continuously and others do 7 days on, 7 days off. Any opinions on what I should do? Loca is about 5 months, I just found out she tested positive for FeLV, but she is not showing any symptoms at this point. Thanks.
Re: is vitamin C out?
I've also spoken with a women who had 10 positives and in a 2 year period using the Mega C they are all now negative and have been for some time, so it is not only Dr Belfield that claims this. To me it is worth it to try it and I will continue to give it to my non negatives as an immune booster. In the past even on this list I have heard a couple people claim to have used it on their positive and have their cat test negative when later tested (using IFA test), I guess we'll never know if the cat fought the virus off itself or if the Mega C helped, but I don't see any ingredient in the mixture that would cause harm so why not try it? This is many years ago though and these people are no longer on the list. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: is vitamin C out?
PS. I personally have not noticed any difference using interferon, so I guess every cat is different, what works for one, may not necessarily work for all. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: is vitamin C out?
In humans regular vitamin C can help to boost the immune system (this is why it is often taken at the first sign of a cold, etc. because the virus often lasts a shorter time and is less severe). Again, not sure how well this transfers to cats, but as long as it is not harmful to the cat, I would say why not try it- itmay help! Dosage would certainly be a concern as I'm certain it is different among cats and humans. Vitamin C can cause GI distress at high doses, so this is another reason I would make sure the dose is correct. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I think there has always been a debate about this. Cats apparently, unlike humans, make vitamin c themselves, so many vets say it is totally unnecessary to supplement and just asking for GI problems. Others say it helps. I have no idea, myself. I have given it when it has been included in other formulas, but don't right now because of Lucy's IBD and Patches recently had a bout with soft stool as well (not from vitamin c, but don't want to bring it on either). MichelleIn a message dated 5/8/2006 10:58:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I don't thing megaC 'cures' or reverses felv. Just my opinion.My homeopathic vet put my positive on a 'regular' dose of vitamin c along with lots of other vitamins and things and my regular vet said 'it couldn't hurt' so I used it.That was years ago though. I believe vitamin c is in most 'cat vitamins' so it must have some value for them as for humans.. I don't think it's any kind of cure though.t Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1/min.
Re: is vitamin C out?
I used aloe vera for gum problems with fiv cats back in the day but never heard of it helping felv itself Karen
Re: is vitamin C out?
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Re: is vitamin C out?
Lance, excellent questions and I am interested in the reply's from the list. I ordered the mega C my self but have not gotten the info to my vet. Karen
Re: is vitamin C out?
I don't thing megaC 'cures' or reverses felv. Just my opinion.My homeopathic vet put my positive on a 'regular' dose of vitamin c along with lots of other vitamins and things and my regular vet said 'it couldn't hurt' so I used it.That was years ago though. I believe vitamin c is in most 'cat vitamins' so it must have some value for them as for humans.. I don't think it's any kind of cure though.tLance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The last time I went by my vet's to pick up Ember's interferon, I dropped off some info I printed from Dr. Belfield's site regarding Mega C and FeLV. As you all know, Dr. Belfield says that he has reversed a number of FeLV cases using his own vitamin C mixture, Mega C.Today, my mom took her kitten, Callie, in for booster shots. The vet mentioned to my mom that he would not condone the use of vitamin C, saying that he had tried it in the office for various things and not found any success with it. This is the same vet who put Ember on interferon as soon as she tested positive. He also referred us to a homeopathic vet, and is looking into getting feline interferon for us. In other words, he's not the standard PTS vet, or the "just take care of her and bring her back in six months" vet. He is willing to try things, to be proactive and to recommend the homeopathic vet for treatments outside of his experience.This leads me to wonder why, if Mega C works fairly well, it hasn't caught on in the treatment of FeLV? Despite a lack of scientific study, it would seem that a number of anecdotal successes would lead to vitamin C or Mega C being the de facto standard for treating and possibly curing an FeLV+ cat. Your thoughts?Lance
Re: is vitamin C out?
I think there has always been a debate about this. Cats apparently, unlike humans, make vitamin c themselves, so many vets say it is totally unnecessary to supplement and just asking for GI problems. Others say it helps. I have no idea, myself. I have given it when it has been included in other formulas, but don't right now because of Lucy's IBD and Patches recently had a bout with soft stool as well (not from vitamin c, but don't want to bring it on either). Michelle In a message dated 5/8/2006 10:58:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't thing megaC 'cures' or reverses felv. Just my opinion. My homeopathic vet put my positive on a 'regular' dose of vitamin c along with lots of other vitamins and things and my regular vet said 'it couldn't hurt' so I used it. That was years ago though. I believe vitamin c is in most 'cat vitamins' so it must have some value for them as for humans.. I don't think it's any kind of cure though. t
Re: vitamin c
I am interested too in dosage for Vitamin C.I am going to buy the Truly Natural powder that someone on this list mentioned, but am curious what dosage to give, how to administer, etc. I had Jake on the liquid form and was giving him way too much. I think it irritated his stomach and caused diarrhea so you definitely want to be careful. Marissa On 1/24/06, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lots of people give vitamin c. It can only help. If you give too much it can cause diarrhea.Other people on the list can give you amounts. I'm not giving it right now so I don't remember. One doctor recommends 'mega' doses of vitamin c. There was just a post about a research paper on vitamin c and positives earlier this week right before you joined. I haven't read it yet. When I get to it (this weekend) I can resend it to the list for you if you'd like. tl.j. crabtree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUWAHHH!!! from minnie!!! thanks ladies for this wonderful info!!! i will see what i can do independently and also check with the vet.. would giving vit c interfere with this? has anyone ever used goldenseal extract ( in glycerine) or is it sorta sketchy for cat kids with that whole herbal thing going on that doesn't seem to mesh with them)? i want minnie to be flying around the room with her wonderwoman suit on!!! actually to be more serious, i just want to do all i can to boost her immunity... is there anything that helps to boost their t-cells? i am a worrisome goober ( from va...we grow 'em here to tonya!! hehehe) much love and respect... LJ
Re: vitamin c
My vet said does too high could cause liver failure. Karen
vitamin c
Lots of people give vitamin c. It can only help. If you give too much it can cause diarrhea.Other people on the list can give you amounts. I'm not giving it right now so I don't remember. One doctor recommends 'mega' doses of vitamin c. There was just a post about a research paper on vitamin c and positives earlier this week right before you joined. I haven't read it yet. When I get to it (this weekend) I can resend it to the list for you if you'd like.t"l.j. crabtree" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:MUWAHHH!!! from minnie!!! thanks ladies for this wonderful info!!! i will see what i can do independently and also check with the vet..would giving vit c interfere with this?has anyone ever used goldenseal extract ( in glycerine) or is it sorta sketchy for cat kids with that whole herbal thing going on that doesn't seem to mesh with them)?i want minnie to be flying around the room with her wonderwoman suit on!!! actually to be more serious, i just want to do all i can to boost her immunity... is there anything that helps to boost their t-cells?i am a worrisome goober ( from va...we grow 'em here to tonya!! hehehe)much love and respect... LJ
Re: vitamin c
Hey LJ - I use Goldenseal all the time, but only externally. I know it can be used internally, and have taken it myself, but it can make changes to your blood sugar, or blood pressure, or something (least with me it did - I started feeling weird and like I might faint and needed to walk around). So I'm cautious about it. When I was treating Lucy for URI a few years ago, I read to try 250 mg Lysine and 250 mg Vit C twice a day, and I tried that. She was an old cat w/ hard stools, and diarrhea never happened with her, it only was a benefit. I think the type of Vitamin C that you choose can be important - Some are buffered, so easier on the tummy. Then there are other variations I think. I personally am a big believer in Vit C - I take anywhere from 2 to 10 grams daily. It's great. You might check into Dr. Wendell Belfield's site re vitamin C for pets: www.belfield.com Best of luck, Gloria At 08:43 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote: Lots of people give vitamin c. It can only help. If you give too much it can cause diarrhea. Other people on the list can give you amounts. I'm not giving it right now so I don't remember. One doctor recommends 'mega' doses of vitamin c. There was just a post about a research paper on vitamin c and positives earlier this week right before you joined. I haven't read it yet. When I get to it (this weekend) I can resend it to the list for you if you'd like. t l.j. crabtree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUWAHHH!!! from minnie!!! thanks ladies for this wonderful info!!! i will see what i can do independently and also check with the vet.. would giving vit c interfere with this? has anyone ever used goldenseal extract ( in glycerine) or is it sorta sketchy for cat kids with that whole herbal thing going on that doesn't seem to mesh with them)? i want minnie to be flying around the room with her wonderwoman suit on!!! actually to be more serious, i just want to do all i can to boost her immunity... is there anything that helps to boost their t-cells? i am a worrisome goober ( from va...we grow 'em here to tonya!! hehehe) much love and respect... LJ
Re: Vitamin C for leukemia?
Unlike with humans, most anemia in cats is not related to poor iron absorption. Most cats with anemia are absorbing enough iron but having trouble with their bone marrow or their kidneys or their spleen. While feeding some liver should not hurt (though be careful because cats can get vitamin A poisoning from too much liver), I do not think it will help the anemia itself. If the anemia is from cancer in the bone marrow, probably only steroids and/or chemo will help. If it is from kidney disfunction, you probably need to use Epogen. If it is bacteria,an antibiotic. If you are looking for natural solutions, look at the articles on Immuno-Regulin on this group's website. It is a bacteria that gets injected IV and stimulates the immune system. Some of us on the group have used it and found it very effective at helping cats get over respiratory infections and boosting low white blood cell counts. While none of us have used it for anemia yet, the articles suggest it is helpful sometimes with positive cats who are anemic. You can order it online without a prescription if your vet does not carry it,from Revival Animal Health, but a vet or vet tech has to give it because it needs to be given intravenously (though one person on this list said she had success giving it subcutaneously). Michelle In a message dated 1/8/2006 12:55:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: elizabeth, I'm going on what i've always thought to be true about anemia. The best is boost the oxygen-carrying capacity, so coked liver is good or iron and B vitamins. Be careful with the vitamins though a little goes a long way. Defective production of red blood cells by the bone marrow may lead to tumors, which sounds like Tiggies problem. How long has she been anemic? I would feed her one ounce of liver a day for one or two weeks. Hope that helps..Erin
Re: Vitamin C for leukemia?
Hi, My Bandy has anemia...and is Felv and FIV+. I have given him alot of things since Aug..so I don't really know what is working...I know something must be though. I really try to make sure he gets Co Q10 once a day..10mg..and for sure on all meals bovine colostrum. It is a very good immune stimulant that someone told me about at the FIV group...The CoQ10 helps with oxygen utilization as my heart kitty needs this too...I buy supplement from onlynaturalpet.com...they have some really good ones that have met most of Bandy's needs.. I give him folic acid which I bought at the health food store..800mcg...I sprinkle it on his food...so 1 capsule will last all day...You don't want to over do it so I figure since 2 other kitties eat with Bandy, they are all getting some...His PCV was up this last time. He had been on folic acid about 2 weeks prior to his last blood work.. I am going to start him on DMG tablets next week...to see if that won't help, too..I forget who told me about it. It supports the immune system, promotes oxygen utilization, improves cardio function, supports liver function and supports ocular health...Since I have a heart kitty, too...I try to keep the supplements that will benefit both of them...They are best buddies (eat and sleep together) I had Little Rascal checked, too when I found out about Bandy's 2 viruses and Lil Rascal is negative for both...So who knows about all that either... Hope this helps some, Good luck with your kitty, kerry and bandy Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP.
Vitamin C for leukemia?
I´m trying to find natural treatments for our Tiggie´s anemia. She was diagnosed FELV + about a month ago, was dying with an anal tumor, was started on Transfer Factor Plus and Seacure, operated on at the last minute, and has pulled through miraculously. She seems pretty much back to normal now, although we count each day as a blessing. She is still anemic, and I´d really like to find something natural that might help that. I´ve heard good things about Vitamin C...any ideas at all would be really appreciated. Thanks in advance, Elizabeth Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.
Re: Vitamin C for leukemia?
Hi Elizabeth, Congratulations on Tiggie's miraculous recovery! I'm sure you'll get responses from the others on the group, (we're slow on weekends usually), but I wanted to say hello and welcome you. Since you and Tiggie have already been through so much, and the fact that you have found TF, tells me you've been doing your homework and are probably already familiar with alot of the meds used to battle anemia. You don't state what the root cause of the anemia is, (which of course determines treatment options), and of course the word "natural" changes things too! :) I had been supplementing my felv kitties with Vita C, I use one from "Healthforce Nutritionals" called "Truly Natural". It's in powder form and doesn't have a strong taste, or smell. On the label it claims, "naturally occurring, truly natural, absorbable, non-toxic from whole food extract of acerola berry. Most of us supplement with Interferon A which you can get from your vet, L-lysine, some folks use Co-Q10, etc. A homeopathic remedy for all around body boosting is BioPlasma. You can check your health food store for that. I don't know if you are familiar with homeopathics, but you can put a tab, (don't touch it with your fingers), of BioP in a 4oz amber dropper bottle, success 5 times (smack the bottom of the bottle against your palm), and add a half of a dropper to her water dishes, or to some goats milk, (you can mix homeopathics with dairy products, but you should wait 15 minutes before feeding anything else. You can add it to a communal water dish too. Give us some more details about Tiggie's condition and how you guys came to be together! Nina elizabeth holtermann wrote: Im trying to find natural treatments for our Tiggies anemia. She was diagnosed FELV + about a month ago, was dying with an anal tumor, was started on Transfer Factor Plus and Seacure, operated on at the last minute, and has pulled through miraculously. She seems pretty much back to normal now, although we count each day as a blessing. She is still anemic, and Id really like to find something natural that might help that. Ive heard good things about Vitamin C...any ideas at all would be really appreciated. Thanks in advance, Elizabeth Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.
Re: Vitamin C for leukemia?
Look in the archives for recent postings about anemia from kerry who has Bandy. She has used a combination of medications and natural supplements to help him, pretty successfully so far. Folic acid (I think 800 mcg a day-- that's micrograms, not miligrams) was one of them, but there were a lot others. If you can not find these posts, let me know and I will look for them and send them to you. I do not think that Vitamin C will help with anemia. I have never heard of helping with anemia, anyway. Michelle In a message dated 1/7/2006 7:35:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I´m trying to find natural treatments for our Tiggie´s anemia. She was diagnosed FELV + about a month ago, was dying with an anal tumor, was started on Transfer Factor Plus and Seacure, operated on at the last minute, and has pulled through miraculously. She seems pretty much back to normal now, although we count each day as a blessing. She is still anemic, and I´d really like to find something natural that might help that. I´ve heard good things about Vitamin C...any ideas at all would be really appreciated. Thanks in advance, Elizabeth
Re: Vitamin C for leukemia?
elizabeth, I'm going on what i've always thought to be true about anemia. The best is boost the oxygen-carrying capacity, so coked liver is good or iron and B vitamins. Be careful with the vitamins though a little goes a long way. Defective production of red blood cells by the bone marrow may lead to tumors, which sounds like Tiggies problem. How long has she been anemic? I would feed her one ounce of liver a day for one or two weeks. Hope that helps..Erin
Re: Vitamin C questions - Gloria
Did you begin with 250 mg Vitamin C without kitty having diarrhea? Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Vitamin C questions Hey there Del! Good point - absolutely, it can cause diarrhea in animals and in people. If so, you back off of the quantity a little, and keep doing that till no diarrhea.I take it regularly too, not Belfields though, I take Rainbow Light Powder. The bottle of Belfields Vit C has directions - but they're downstairs, and I can't remember what it says. But in general, I've always used about 200-500mg daily (if I can get disciplined enough to do daily). Start low, even lower than that if you wish, and build up.Dr. Belfield is the vet who says that he's had FELV+ cats go negative after several months of the Vit C therapy. Well my # of cats increased, and my discipline decreased, so I stopped the vitamin C to adjust myself for a while. Have to start it back up.Seems like it was Dr. Pitcairn's book that said, for upper respiratory infections, to give 250 mg Vit C, plus 250mg Lysine twice daily. I used to do that for Lucy, and it worked well - she died in 2001, I think.GloriaOn Jun 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Del Daniels wrote: I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats ... what is a starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and how gradual can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during an URI? Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Supplements - Grace Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html and click on the "magazine" link. He has links for "products" and that's where they are. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote: Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid was really unpleasant tasting? I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in. I do have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does. Can I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search on the Drs' names? Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote:I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of C with other nutrients. And ordered his B complex liquid- initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done that. I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it. Also ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis (sp). Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus lysine. Something helped, he got better. Gloria At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: What did you order, and what is it suppose to help with? N Gloria B. Lane wrote: Right, those are the sups I use, except I've ordered some laterly from Dr. Belfield. It gets hard to give lots of supplements, sometimes. Gloria At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria, Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis. I used to give it every day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10. Now I just add supplements periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom. Everyone's been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, stress formula. I'm out of Interferon A, I usually put them on that when they have symptoms too. I do have some VO in the box, I may start her on that. Nina
Re: Vitamin C questions - Gloria
Yes, that's usually what I do - no problems that I can recall... Gloria On Jun 13, 2005, at 9:51 AM, Del Daniels wrote: Did you begin with 250 mg Vitamin C without kitty having diarrhea? Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Vitamin C questions Hey there Del! Good point - absolutely, it can cause diarrhea in animals and in people. If so, you back off of the quantity a little, and keep doing that till no diarrhea. I take it regularly too, not Belfields though, I take Rainbow Light Powder. The bottle of Belfields Vit C has directions - but they're downstairs, and I can't remember what it says. But in general, I've always used about 200-500mg daily (if I can get disciplined enough to do daily). Start low, even lower than that if you wish, and build up. Dr. Belfield is the vet who says that he's had FELV+ cats go negative after several months of the Vit C therapy. Well my # of cats increased, and my discipline decreased, so I stopped the vitamin C to adjust myself for a while. Have to start it back up. Seems like it was Dr. Pitcairn's book that said, for upper respiratory infections, to give 250 mg Vit C, plus 250mg Lysine twice daily. I used to do that for Lucy, and it worked well - she died in 2001, I think. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Del Daniels wrote: I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats ... what is a starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and how gradual can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during an URI? Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Supplements - Grace Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html and click on the magazine link. He has links for products and that's where they are. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote: Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid was really unpleasant tasting? I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in. I do have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does. Can I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search on the Drs' names? Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of C with other nutrients. And ordered his B complex liquid- initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done that. I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it. Also ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis (sp). Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus lysine. Something helped, he got better. Gloria At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: What did you order, and what is it suppose to help with? N Gloria B. Lane wrote: Right, those are the sups I use, except I've ordered some laterly from Dr. Belfield. It gets hard to give lots of supplements, sometimes. Gloria At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria, Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis. I used to give it every day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10. Now I just add supplements periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom. Everyone's been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, stress formula. I'm out of Interferon A, I usually put them on that when they have symptoms too. I do have some VO in the box, I may start her on that. Nina
Re: Vitamin C questions (taste)
I tried to use powdered Vit C, it's the Extra-C brand: http://store.yahoo.com/healthforyourpet/xtinviccopob.html But it tastes HORRIBLE, and I can barely make myself eat it without gagging... and was never able to get much inside a cat either. Do they all taste this bad? Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.9 - Release Date: 6/11/2005
RE: Vitamin C questions (taste)
Try sodium ascorbate form of V-C this is the only format that my cats will eat with the food it doesnt taste bad at all I sprinkle on their dry food and they eat with no problem, which is excellent is impossible to do with other type of V-C they all taste awful! You used to see this form of V-C at every health store now its very hard to find I usually get it on line heres the link http://www.iherb.com/cpowdersn.html From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Vitamin C questions (taste) I tried to use powdered Vit C, it's the Extra-C brand: http://store.yahoo.com/healthforyourpet/xtinviccopob.html But it tastes HORRIBLE, and I can barely make myself eat it without gagging... and was never able to get much inside a cat either. Do they all taste this bad? Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!
Re: Vitamin C questions
Hey there Del! Good point - absolutely, it can cause diarrhea in animals and in people. If so, you back off of the quantity a little, and keep doing that till no diarrhea. I take it regularly too, not Belfields though, I take Rainbow Light Powder. The bottle of Belfields Vit C has directions - but they're downstairs, and I can't remember what it says. But in general, I've always used about 200-500mg daily (if I can get disciplined enough to do daily). Start low, even lower than that if you wish, and build up. Dr. Belfield is the vet who says that he's had FELV+ cats go negative after several months of the Vit C therapy. Well my # of cats increased, and my discipline decreased, so I stopped the vitamin C to adjust myself for a while. Have to start it back up. Seems like it was Dr. Pitcairn's book that said, for upper respiratory infections, to give 250 mg Vit C, plus 250mg Lysine twice daily. I used to do that for Lucy, and it worked well - she died in 2001, I think. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Del Daniels wrote: I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats ... what is a starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and how gradual can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during an URI? Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Supplements - Grace Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html and click on the magazine link. He has links for products and that's where they are. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote: Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid was really unpleasant tasting? I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in. I do have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does. Can I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search on the Drs' names? Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of C with other nutrients. And ordered his B complex liquid- initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done that. I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it. Also ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis (sp). Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus lysine. Something helped, he got better. Gloria At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: What did you order, and what is it suppose to help with? N Gloria B. Lane wrote: Right, those are the sups I use, except I've ordered some laterly from Dr. Belfield. It gets hard to give lots of supplements, sometimes. Gloria At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria, Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis. I used to give it every day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10. Now I just add supplements periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom. Everyone's been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, stress formula. I'm out of Interferon A, I usually put them on that when they have symptoms too. I do have some VO in the box, I may start her on that. Nina
Re: Vitamin C questions
Right - the stuff from Dr. Belfield is powder. The Vit C that I order is Rainbow Light Vit C Powder, I've been ordering it from Betterlife.com, online. Gloria On Jun 12, 2005, at 8:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not to butt in here but you can get Vitamin C in powder form? did I read that correctly? And its daily right? Thank you, kristi From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 07:40:47 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Vitamin C questions Hey there Del! Good point - absolutely, it can cause diarrhea in animals and in people. If so, you back off of the quantity a little, and keep doing that till no diarrhea. I take it regularly too, not Belfields though, I take Rainbow Light Powder. The bottle of Belfields Vit C has directions - but they're downstairs, and I can't remember what it says. But in general, I've always used about 200-500mg daily (if I can get disciplined enough to do daily). Start low, even lower than that if you wish, and build up. Dr. Belfield is the vet who says that he's had FELV+ cats go negative after several months of the Vit C therapy. Well my # of cats increased, and my discipline decreased, so I stopped the vitamin C to adjust myself for a while. Have to start it back up. Seems like it was Dr. Pitcairn's book that said, for upper respiratory infections, to give 250 mg Vit C, plus 250mg Lysine twice daily. I used to do that for Lucy, and it worked well - she died in 2001, I think. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Del Daniels wrote: I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats ... what is a starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and how gradual can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during an URI? Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Supplements - Grace Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html and click on the magazine link. He has links for products and that's where they are. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote: Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid was really unpleasant tasting? I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in. I do have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does. Can I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search on the Drs' names? Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of C with other nutrients. And ordered his B complex liquid- initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done that. I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it. Also ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis (sp). Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus lysine. Something helped, he got better. Gloria At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: What did you order, and what is it suppose to help with? N Gloria B. Lane wrote: Right, those are the sups I use, except I've ordered some laterly from Dr. Belfield. It gets hard to give lots of supplements, sometimes. Gloria At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria, Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis. I used to give it every day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10. Now I just add supplements periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom. Everyone's been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, stress formula. I'm out of Interferon A, I usually put them on that when they have symptoms too. I do have some VO in the box, I may start her on that. Nina
Re: Re: Vitamin C questions
belfield's is powder--it's the one i had mr. bean on the postive who is now negative. if you google belfield and mega C plus i believe the company is orthomological or somethiing like that. it's too darn hot to walk back downstairs again. they ship very quickly. barbara
Re: Re: Vitamin C questions
i noticed that he also has a liquid but it says its for weaning kittens, I do not feed canned food on a daily basis, does anyone know if i could use the liquid form instead of the powder? I feel as though I would be better about giving it on a daily basis. If not i will call their help line tomorrow- thanx krisit From: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 10:28:13 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Re: Vitamin C questions belfield's is powder--it's the one i had mr. bean on the postive who is now negative. if you google belfield and mega C plus i believe the company is orthomological or somethiing like that. it's too darn hot to walk back downstairs again. they ship very quickly. barbara
RE: Vitamin C questions
I get mine from vet, brand is RxVitamins for Pets Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 9:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Vitamin C questions not to butt in here but you can get Vitamin C in powder form? did I read that correctly? And its daily right? Thank you, kristi From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/06/12 Sun PM 07:40:47 EDT To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Vitamin C questions Hey there Del! Good point - absolutely, it can cause diarrhea in animals and in people. If so, you back off of the quantity a little, and keep doing that till no diarrhea. I take it regularly too, not Belfields though, I take Rainbow Light Powder. The bottle of Belfields Vit C has directions - but they're downstairs, and I can't remember what it says. But in general, I've always used about 200-500mg daily (if I can get disciplined enough to do daily). Start low, even lower than that if you wish, and build up. Dr. Belfield is the vet who says that he's had FELV+ cats go negative after several months of the Vit C therapy. Well my # of cats increased, and my discipline decreased, so I stopped the vitamin C to adjust myself for a while. Have to start it back up. Seems like it was Dr. Pitcairn's book that said, for upper respiratory infections, to give 250 mg Vit C, plus 250mg Lysine twice daily. I used to do that for Lucy, and it worked well - she died in 2001, I think. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 8:49 PM, Del Daniels wrote: I understand Vitamin C can cause diarrhea in cats ... what is a starting mg to hopefully avoid that side effect ... and how gradual can it be increased ... and the maximum dose during an URI? Del - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Supplements - Grace Go to http://www.belfield.com/home.html and click on the magazine link. He has links for products and that's where they are. Gloria On Jun 11, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Nina wrote: Thanks Gloria, do you know if the B complex liquid was really unpleasant tasting? I like to sup my IBD cat Gypsy with B and it tastes so awful that she won't eat anything it's mixed in. I do have the injectable, but I hate the shots as much as she does. Can I find the sups your talking about by doing a Goggle search on the Drs' names? Nina Gloria B. Lane wrote: I ordered Belfield's Vitamin C, which is actually a combination of C with other nutrients. And ordered his B complex liquid- initially to try with a friends Diabetic cat, but haven't done that. I use PetTinic, but it has a bunch of sugar in it. Also ordered a liquid supplement form Dr. elfield, and used it with a cat (Harry, who's with Susan now) that had stomatitis (sp). Actually, gave him that, plus interferon, plus lysine. Something helped, he got better. Gloria At 10:44 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: What did you order, and what is it suppose to help with? N Gloria B. Lane wrote: Right, those are the sups I use, except I've ordered some laterly from Dr. Belfield. It gets hard to give lots of supplements, sometimes. Gloria At 10:01 AM 6/11/2005, you wrote: Hi Gloria, Yes, I use Lysine on a regular basis. I used to give it every day, along with Vita C, and Co-Q10. Now I just add supplements periodically, or when there's a hint of a symptom. Everyone's been getting sups lately, along with Transfer Factor, stress formula. I'm out of Interferon A, I usually put them on that when they have symptoms too. I do have some VO in the box, I may start her on that. Nina
