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I
received this this morning, send any inquires to Roberta at
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- Original Message -
From:
Roberta Moore 
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 11:31 AM
Subject: Adoptor alert



Hello
I am emailing you all to caution you
about Shelley Scott, currently lives in Jackson, CA. She has applied
to adopt a ragdoll kitten from me, also has applied to CASR for a
ragdoll they have. 

On her app she used her new vet in
Jackson. In out conversation, I found out she used a vet in Paradise
and asked her for their name and number. Shelley had a cat that died
of leukemia. When I called the vet for reference, they said they would
not recommend placing a cat with Shelley. 

Shelley also mentioned she had a
breeder turn her down for a kitten as they did not want to place a
kitten with a young child (4 yo). 

I have declined her application. I
thought you all might want to know this information if she comes your
direction. 

Roberta
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life spans of positives

If it is not too hard, could people let me know the ages of their positives 
now, and the ages of positives who have passed? I keep being told that I was 
being unrealistic in my hope that Simon, and my others, would live longer than 
they did. I had heard of positives living as long as 14.  My Jo died at age 3, 
Buddy at age 18 months, and Simon was around 4.  My largest grief right now is 
about his suffering and what he went through, but I am also so grief-stricken 
at how short his life was. And it was short, very short, at 4 years old, when 
cats can live to 20. But I also feel like it was short for a positive, like I 
should have been able to help him live longer than that. I am trying to 
assess my expectations of this, regarding my remaining positives as well, and 
so 
just want to know what the age spans really are for positives who are well 
cared-for, so maybe I can be more honest with myself about what truly can be 
expected.
Thanks,
Michelle

So sorry about Simon

2005-02-08 Thread Barbara Lowe




Dear Michelle,
I am really sorry Simon died. 
It's taken me awhile to let you know because who 
among us hasn't been there, done that, second guessed up to twenty times 
wondering if we were doing the right thing, everything we could do for our 
beloved cats infected with this horrible virus. In the end, it comes down to we 
do the best we can. We do more than those miserable awful people one sees on 
television or in news articles about starving their pets-deliberately ignoring a 
dying animal that for some mysterious reason they decided in the first place to 
bring home and call their own. This past week while "clean sweeping" my office, 
I came across all the photos of my felv+ cats who have passed away and missed 
them all--all over again. But just like Simon, if you had not found him to 
love,all would have died so many years ago without having any chance 
at catnip mouses, feather toys, red dot lazer pointers, all they can eat food 
dishes, maid service at the litter box and warm comfy laps to rule their 
kingdoms from. He always sounded like such a wonderful cat in your emails and 
I'm sure that courageous little loving soul railed against the disease racking 
his body but never never against the people who loved him. 

Barbara who misses Jelly Roll, Lenny, Skippy 

(but just knows those little demonic angels are 
sneaking up on their dog buddy Maddy topounce on her sensitive toes so 
she'll jump up and leave that nice warm spot in the grass for them to snooze 
on)

RE: life spans of positives

2005-02-08 Thread Chris

My Tucson is going to be 7 years old; she tested neg as a young kitten  pos
last year.  She was indoor only since 3 months old  her major problems
during the last year have been a couple of UTI's and low white blood count.
Big Boy is about 4 (or 5?)--he is a stray I was feeding for a couple of
years until I brought him in last year.  That's when I found out he was pos.
I've never seen any sort of medical problem  vet pronounced him in good
health during last visit.  I don't think you really can predict; maybe it
has to do with the particular strain of the virus; or maybe its just
luck I don't think anyone could have done any more than you did for
Simon-

Chris
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Subject: life spans of positives

If it is not too hard, could people let me know the ages of their positives 
now, and the ages of positives who have passed? I keep being told that I was

being unrealistic in my hope that Simon, and my others, would live longer
than 
they did. I had heard of positives living as long as 14.  My Jo died at age
3, 
Buddy at age 18 months, and Simon was around 4.  My largest grief right now
is 
about his suffering and what he went through, but I am also so
grief-stricken 
at how short his life was. And it was short, very short, at 4 years old,
when 
cats can live to 20. But I also feel like it was short for a positive, like
I 
should have been able to help him live longer than that. I am trying to 
assess my expectations of this, regarding my remaining positives as well,
and so 
just want to know what the age spans really are for positives who are well 
cared-for, so maybe I can be more honest with myself about what truly can be

expected.
Thanks,
Michelle

Re: life spans of positives

2005-02-08 Thread Del Daniels




How terrible for little Melissa. It is always 
hard but really is extrasad for the tiny ones to lose their lives so 
early. And it must have horrible to see her bleeding like that. 

Hugs, Del

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Linda 
  Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@vlists.net 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:01 
  AM
  Subject: Re: life spans of 
positives
  Michelle,I'm so sorry to hear about Simon. He 
  sounds like aspecial little guy. Take comfort in the fact that 
  yougave him so much love  care in his short life.I had 4 
  positives, all from the same litter. Two ofthem passed on at ages 5 
   6 - about 1 year apart. Mylittle Joey developed kidney failure 
   lasted about 2months after the diagnosis. Bethie died of 
  FIP. Amy Megan are still with me (they were named after 
  thechildren from Little Women), but they too suffer fromdisorders 
  related to their feline leukemia. Megan hasasthma, which has 
  developed into pulmonary fibrosis Amy has periodic infections. 
  They are around 9 yearsold now  I hope to have them with me for many 
  moreyears, but I know their life spans are limited bytheir 
  disease.Last summer I had an 8 week old stray kitten (Melissa)who 
  tested positive for feline leukemia. I found herwhen she was about 
  4-6 weeks old. She had a terribleupper respirtory infection, which 
  responded well toantibiotics. She seemed fine after the URI 
  clearedup, but, unfortunately, she died about a month later. One day 
  when I came home from work I found herbleeding from her ears. I 
  rushed her to the vet they determined that her blood wasn't clotting 
   shewas anemic  advised me to take her to the emergencyvet 
  clinic for a transfusion. The vet at the ERtested her blood  
  determined that her levels (redblood, etc.) were extremely low  she 
  wasn't makingmore cells, etc.  she had blood in her 
  stool,indicating she was also bleeding internally due to herinability 
  to clot - he told me the effects of thetransfusion wouldn't last more than 
  a day or so  shewould probably die within the next 24 hours, so I 
  heldher in my arms while he put her to sleep. I've hadmany 
  animals pass away over the years, but her deathhit me very hard. 
  It's so sad to see an animal livesuch a short life.Have a good day 
   God bless,Linda __ 
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Re: This is a test..

   Got your email Cherie.
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Re: life spans of positives

2005-02-08 Thread Sheila208

My cat Lucky was 18 and positive when he died. My cat Tiger who looks like Simon is 15 and My cat Bubba 16 are still with me though they seem to be showing signs of deteriorating health both are pos. My Charlie Brown is 15 and healthy. The Vet wanted me to put him down 2 years ago said he had full blown felv and wouldn't make it through the week. I have other pos kitties ranging from 1yr to 15 yrs. I have lost many over the yrs to this terrible disease young and old. We never know what to expect. I have never regretted loving and being owned by them. I'm still praying for you and your family. I know that when you are ready another special cat will help fill the void left by your dear Simon. I know and so does Simon that you did everything in your power to save him. Please don't be so hard on yourself. Love, Sheila
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Re: This is a test..



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Re: Feline leukemia in Florida Panthers

I understood FeLV was first discovered in wild cats, many, many 
years ago, will have to ask my vet about this one??

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Re: This is a test..

2005-02-08 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

I got this one, but no others from the list at allis there anything going on on the list today?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Re: Feline leukemia in Florida Panthers

2005-02-08 Thread Faye Lewis

I think is still found in panthers--although I think Florida panthers are 
now extinct.  I had a vet who used to call Simba a Florida Panther. LOL

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Re: Simon passed away

Thank you Kathy, and everyone else who has written. I have been offline for a 
few days, in bed with grief mostly.

It actually was hard to medicate Simon and give him fluids and syringe feed 
him sometimes, and he did try to get away from me. That is why I stopped doing 
it the first time I thought he was dying. When he felt ok, it wasn't so bad, 
but when he felt bad he hated it and took a while to forgive me each time. I 
tried to limit how often I did it. I just wish this last time I had limited it 
more as well, in terms of vet visits, etc.

I know that I must sound insane to you with all this self-blame, but I also 
know that many of you must have felt this as well. I am the queen of 
what-ifs. What if I had kept him on steroid shots instead of going back to 
pred pills. 
Would that have prevented an auto-immune reaction? What if I had kept him on 
CCNU instead of letting the oncologist try Adriamycin? What if, instead of 
taking him to the vet, I had done what I did the last time and just given him 
the 
same amount of steroids and held him close until he either died or recovered? 
These are not answerable questions, but they swirl around me at all times.  
And the biggest one: What if I had noticed his jaundice and his decreased 
appetite when it started, rather than when he was neon yellow (I did not even 
notice it then but just took him in because he did not want his baby food!)? 
Most 
cats on the feline lymphoma list serve do not have it in their bone marrow, 
which he did, and which is Stage V.  The day I brought him to the local vet, 
his 
hematocrit was normal. That was a friday. By the time he saw the oncologist on 
Monday it was 17.  The lymphoma clearly spread into his bone marrow over 
those few days, and if I had brought him in earlier it might never have done 
so.  
I was not paying much attention to him or spending much time with him or the 
others because my dog Nubi had just died of cancer.  I did then what I am doing 
to my other animals now-- stayed in bed, did only the minimal care, did not 
pay much attention.  If I could be better in my grief about the others I 
probably would have caught that he was eating less and was turning yellow. I 
remember thinking that there was more wet food left than usual, but I thought 
all 
four of them were eating less because I had run out of their favorites, so I 
did 
not think anything of it until I saw him not finish his morning baby food two 
days in a row.  I was not staying to watch them eat. I am just so incapable of 
doing anything in grief, and I was grieving then too. And I think that 
influenced the way things went with him.

Anyway, thanks for listening. His absence in the house is so strong.  There 
was never a moment, in the last month when he was in the main part of the house 
with me, that I did not know where he was or what he was doing.  He made it 
known at all times, and was the center of all attention.  I have this image of 
the first time I fed him sour cream in bed. I had bought it the night before 
to see if he would eat it because he was eating very little, weeks ago, and he 
loved it. The next morning he came to cuddle in bed as always, and was laying 
on his back with his legs in air, snuggled in the blankets. I was rubbing his 
belly and he had his eyes squeezed tight and was purring. I went and got sour 
cream and fed it to him off my fingers in bed, and he stayed like that, on his 
back and purring, while eating the sour cream an getting it all over his 
face.  At that moment he was so blissed out, and so thought he had won the 
lottery, so i try to think of him like that. It became a routine after that 
that 
after morning cuddles I would get his sour cream and feed him some and then we 
would get up. In the last week, he stopped wanting it, or eating anything in 
the 
morning, which I guess I should have known was a sign of something. But he was 
crazy energetic an eating and night and actually gaining weight, so I did not 
know what to think.

Sorry for going on and on.
Thanks for all your support,
Michelle


In a message dated 2/7/05 10:53:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I know these things because you  never said it was 
hard to medicate him, that he would run from you whenever  you approached 
him, or 
that he was indifferent to you.

Re: life spans of positives (forward from Cherie)





In a message dated 2/8/2005 9:32:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I hope that they are wrong, my girl Amber tested positive, and I could not bear loosing her, she is my angel, she came to me sick and weak wanting tons of lovin' and she tested negative at that time, I fattened her up gave her tons of attention and now just recently she tested positive. I never thought about it but she always can be heard when she breathes does that mean it is in her lungs? I hope they can come up with a cure, I do not like to hear about kitties that pass.
Cherie


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Re: life spans of positives

2005-02-08 Thread Barbara Lowe

Lenny almost made it to her first birthday--but she was always a very thin
undersized cat. I rescued her along with Jelly roll and his two sisters from
a local pound where they were very sick. Jelly Roll died last Nov at 2 1/2.
(other sister died suddenly at 3 months from ?). Princess who is negative is
still with me.
Skippy was around 8 months old -developed fip.
I wish I could have had them as long as four years or 9 or 13. I'm just glad
I did get to know them.
There were 3 kittens a local rescue asked me to take in who all were already
showing signs of jaundice by the time I was notified-so 3 different times
had kittens die before 3 months old.
barbara

Re: Simon passed away (From Cherie) I'm cross posting for her.

In a message dated 2/8/2005 9:53:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Michelle,
I am so sorry for your loss, I loved hearing about your morning routine thank you for sharing I feel as though I knewyou and him through your emails, and I weptfor him alsoit may sound weird but I have an empty spot foryou and Simon as well.

As far as the "what-ifs" go we all go through that stage I had too many to count with Snowball, I have to tell you thoughit has been a little over a month and I miss him terribly still, each cat has their own routine and influence in our lives when one passes we feel it intensly. It will get better, it always doesbut until then it is pure hell.

This group helped me alot through my pain and grief with Snowball I hope we can be of the same comfort for you.

Again Michelle, I am so sorryfor your loss.
Huggs
Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 2/8/2005 9:39:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thank you Kathy, and everyone else who has written. I have been offline for a few days, in bed with grief mostly.It actually was hard to medicate Simon and give him fluids and syringe feed him sometimes, and he did try to get away from me. That is why I stopped doing it the first time I thought he was dying. When he felt ok, it wasn't so bad, but when he felt bad he hated it and took a while to forgive me each time. I tried to limit how often I did it. I just wish this last time I had limited it more as well, in terms of vet visits, etc.I know that I must sound insane to you with all this self-blame, but I also know that many of you must have felt this as well. I am the queen of "what-ifs." What if I had kept him on steroid shots instead of going back to pred pills. Would that have prevented an auto-immune reaction? What if I had kept him on CCNU instead of letting the oncologist try Adriamycin? What if, instead of taking him to the vet, I had done what I did the last time and just given him the same amount of steroids and held him close until he either died or recovered? These are not answerable questions, but they swirl around me at all times. And the biggest one: What if I had noticed his jaundice and his decreased appetite when it started, rather than when he was neon yellow (I did not even notice it then but just took him in because he did not want his baby food!)? Most cats on the feline lymphoma list serve do not have it in their bone marrow, which he did, and which is Stage V. The day I brought him to the local vet, his hematocrit was normal. That was a friday. By the time he saw the oncologist on Monday it was 17. The lymphoma clearly spread into his bone marrow over those few days, and if I had brought him in earlier it might never have done so. I was not paying much attention to him or spending much time with him or the others because my dog Nubi had just died of cancer. I did then what I am doing to my other animals now-- stayed in bed, did only the minimal care, did not pay much attention. If I could be better in my grief about the others I probably would have caught that he was eating less and was turning yellow. I remember thinking that there was more wet food left than usual, but I thought all four of them were eating less because I had run out of their favorites, so I did not think anything of it until I saw him not finish his morning baby food two days in a row. I was not staying to watch them eat. I am just so incapable of doing anything in grief, and I was grieving then too. And I think that influenced the way things went with him.Anyway, thanks for listening. His absence in the house is so strong. There was never a moment, in the last month when he was in the main part of the house with me, that I did not know where he was or what he was doing. He made it known at all times, and was the center of all attention. I have this image of the first time I fed him sour cream in bed. I had bought it the night before to see if he would eat it because he was eating very little, weeks ago, and he loved it. The next morning he came to cuddle in bed as always, and was laying on his back with his legs in air, snuggled in the blankets. I was rubbing his belly and he had his eyes squeezed tight and was purring. I went and got sour cream and fed it to him off my fingers in bed, and he stayed like that, on his back and purring, while eating the sour cream an getting it all over his face. At that moment he was so blissed out, and so thought he had won the lottery, so i try to think of him like that. It became a routine after that that after morning cuddles I would get his sour cream and feed him some and then we would get up. In the last week, he stopped wanting it, or eating anything in the morning, which I guess I should have known was a sign of something. But he was crazy energetic an eating and night and actually gaining weight, so I did not know what to think.Sorry for going on and on.Thanks for all your support,MichelleIn a message

in memory of Simon

2005-02-08 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Dear Michelle
I love the image of you feeding Simon the sour cream (and by the way,
it's thanks to you that Levi was able to get to enjoy the taste of sour
cream in his last days--I would never have thought of it--he lapped it
up, and it was all he wanted).
Please keep thinking of the good times with Simon. Don't torment
yourself with what-ifs. Easy for me to say, I know (and if you're the
Queen of what-ifs then I'm your lady-in-waiting) but I hate to see you
beat yourself up. 
Your recent time with Simon was so intense, caring as you were for him
every minute of every day, it's no wonder that you are grief-stricken
and totally drained. I think for people like you and me death hits even
harder because we're not at all sure there is anything beyond.  (Forgive
me if I got that wrong---my memory plays tricks all the time.) And death
is inevitable. That's why it's so important for you to remember you did
the best job you could while Simon was physically with you--no one could
have loved or cared for him more than you. No one.
I really do believe Simon is in a better place now wherever that may be,
simply because he's no longer suffering. 
So please be kind, caring and loving to yourself, Michelle. Allow
yourself to grieve, of course, but give yourself a break too. Think of
the good times with Simon. Enjoy your other little furballs. Remember
that you have a wonderfully supportive partner in Gray. Remember that
you're only human. Remember that you are also a wonderfully
compassionate human, who every second you're alive on this planet makes
the world a better place. If everyone was cast from your mold, Michelle,
what a different and better world this would be.
Hell, I'm in tears now! (Luckily I have a wonderful co-worker, who puts
up with things like hearing me call up the crematorium to find out where
my pet's ashes are, and listens patiently time after time when I regale
him with the latest antics of Mickey or Flavia.)
You're always in my thoughts,
much love and big hugs, Kerry


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Thank you Kathy, and everyone else who has written. I have been offline
for a 
few days, in bed with grief mostly.

It actually was hard to medicate Simon and give him fluids and syringe
feed 
him sometimes, and he did try to get away from me. That is why I stopped
doing 
it the first time I thought he was dying. When he felt ok, it wasn't so
bad, 
but when he felt bad he hated it and took a while to forgive me each
time. I 
tried to limit how often I did it. I just wish this last time I had
limited it 
more as well, in terms of vet visits, etc.

I know that I must sound insane to you with all this self-blame, but I
also 
know that many of you must have felt this as well. I am the queen of 
what-ifs. What if I had kept him on steroid shots instead of going
back to pred pills. 
Would that have prevented an auto-immune reaction? What if I had kept
him on 
CCNU instead of letting the oncologist try Adriamycin? What if, instead
of 
taking him to the vet, I had done what I did the last time and just
given him the 
same amount of steroids and held him close until he either died or
recovered? 
These are not answerable questions, but they swirl around me at all
times.  
And the biggest one: What if I had noticed his jaundice and his
decreased 
appetite when it started, rather than when he was neon yellow (I did not
even 
notice it then but just took him in because he did not want his baby
food!)? Most 
cats on the feline lymphoma list serve do not have it in their bone
marrow, 
which he did, and which is Stage V.  The day I brought him to the local
vet, his 
hematocrit was normal. That was a friday. By the time he saw the
oncologist on 
Monday it was 17.  The lymphoma clearly spread into his bone marrow over

those few days, and if I had brought him in earlier it might never have
done so.  
I was not paying much attention to him or spending much time with him or
the 
others because my dog Nubi had just died of cancer.  I did then what I
am doing 
to my other animals now-- stayed in bed, did only the minimal care, did
not 
pay much attention.  If I could be better in my grief about the others I

probably would have caught that he was eating less and was turning
yellow. I 
remember thinking that there was more wet food left than usual, but I
thought all 
four of them were eating less because I had run out of their favorites,
so I did 
not think anything of it until I saw him not finish his morning baby
food two 
days in a row.  I was not staying to watch them eat. I am just so
incapable of 
doing anything in grief, and I was grieving then too. And I think that 
influenced the way things went with him.

Anyway, thanks for listening. His absence in the house is so strong.
There 
was never a moment, in the last month when he was in the main

For Michelle; Simon

2005-02-08 Thread Julie Johnson

Dear Michelle,

I feel there are no words to comfort you; the experience of life and death that you and Simon shared was so incredibly profound. I am thrilled that he was able to mount a rally and stay with you for a bit longer. 

I'm afraid I am not a very avid student of things spiritual, but I remember many years ago a friend describing the philosophy of a gentleman she had gone to for a past-life reading. One part that struck me particularly was his feeling (and I don't know if this is from any sort of organized 'religion' or his own view) was that we all come back surrounded closely by the same energy from past lives; this can mean that conflicts do not resolve but also that love spans lifetimes.I have felt many times that I've 'known' people from other times; I can only believe that you and Simon are an example of this phenomenon, too.

I know he lives on in your heart and I know you will meet again.

Take care of yourself.

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Re: Feline leukemia in Florida Panthers

2005-02-08 Thread Julie Johnson

Hi Belinda,

I remember reading that FIV is a disease of all cats (big and small) but never heard that FeLV had been found in bigger cats; I'll be interested in what your vet has to say!

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Re: Metronidazole




We too have used the compounding method w/ 
flavoring.

If it's being used just to control IBD, my holistic 
vet prescribed a homeopthic remedy, Arsenicum Album 30X. They are tiny tablets 
that dissolve very easy when food. I have great success using it when my old man 
has flare ups.

Re: life spans of positives




Life spans can vary so much...

But in regard to the shelter Felv+ cats, we have had some that 
have lived long  healthy lives. Which, in itself is amazing since studies 
show that "shelter" animals have shorter life spans than owned 
pets.

We had one who was diagnosed as a kitten. All her littermates 
succombed to the disease during their first year. However, JellyBean, who 
repeatedly tested positive, never became symptomatic. In fact, a previous 
volunteer at the shelter came back to visit a couple of years ago and was amazed 
that JellyBean was still there. She adopted her.JellyBean was 8 at the time. 
She is still doing very well.

And then there's "George", the Felv mascot for the shelter. He 
has to be 14 now.
Snappy lived to be 11. Another lifelong resident.(He was also 
FIV+)
And JohnBoy just passed in November. He was 
14...

You just never know. I lost my Ethan when he was only 18 
months

I don't know why some can go on to live long lives. It's just 
a miracle. And it does give one hope.

Patti

Re: Feline leukemia in Florida Panthers




Felv was discovered many years ago in many of the wild 
breeds...lions, tigers, pumas, leopards etc.
There was a show on Animal Planet about it a long time 
ago.
The vets doing this study in the animal preserves put tracking 
collars on the positive cats to keep updated of their progress. Sadly, the 
disease is taking its' toll on the wild cats and the vets doing the study fear 
that unless a "cure" can be found, the disease will eventually lead to 
extinction of some of the breeds.
Some of the vets believe that Felv possibly originated in the 
big cats..
I guess I should do some more research and see if the studies 
are still being conducted, and what, if any, "successes" have been 
accomplished.

Patti

treatment for anemia

2005-02-08 Thread Jill Poe

Gary is not doing very well.  She is hanging out alone
(normally she follows from room to room) and still
only eating a few bites.  She goes to the vet for her
PCV and temp check tomorrow afternoon.

My b/f called the vet who said she didn't check her
for anemia when she was in recently for a fever and
the last time she had blood drawn (a couple months
ago) her hematocrit was at 31, which was normal enough
that they didn't mention anything.  I am a little
upset she didn't suggest we get another test when Gary
was just in.

I'm pretty sure Gary has anemia.  What kinds of
treatment have your cats had for anemia (beyond the
initial blood transfusion)?  Is there anything that
they give a cat for chronic anemia or do you just have
to transfuse regularly?  Apparently we have to be the
ones in charge of knowing what to do and what to ask
for from the vet so I'd like to be prepared for
tomorrow.

Thanks,
Jill



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Re: Feline leukemia in Florida Panthers

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Re: Feline leukemia in Florida Panthers

   Thank you Patti, that must be where I got this notion, I remembered 
seeing it on TV or reading about and since I haven't had time to read 
for years it must be from TV.

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RE: life spans of positives

2005-02-08 Thread Steve Williams

Michelle,

You feel 4 years was short for a positive?? It's still all too fresh with
me. It is sooo hard to loose kittens, especially my Leeloo, who was sweet
beyond description. But, let me tell you how lucky you are to have had your
positives for so long!!

Of the litter of 4...
Leeloo: 8 months 1 day
Abby:   7 months
Milo:   4 1/2 months

Loki, at 8 1/2 months, is still healthy and going strong.


Steve
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If it is not too hard, could people let me know the ages of their positives
now, and the ages of positives who have passed? I keep being told that I was
being unrealistic in my hope that Simon, and my others, would live longer
than
they did. I had heard of positives living as long as 14.  My Jo died at age
3,
Buddy at age 18 months, and Simon was around 4.  My largest grief right now
is
about his suffering and what he went through, but I am also so
grief-stricken
at how short his life was. And it was short, very short, at 4 years old,
when
cats can live to 20. But I also feel like it was short for a positive, like
I
should have been able to help him live longer than that. I am trying to
assess my expectations of this, regarding my remaining positives as well,
and so
just want to know what the age spans really are for positives who are well
cared-for, so maybe I can be more honest with myself about what truly can be
expected.
Thanks,
Michelle

Re: treatment for anemia




Jill,
We have treated our anemic cats w/ BComplex vitamins. 
Some were on a daily regime og SubQ Lactated Ringers infused w/ the 
vitamins.
And as I said in an earlier post, many are treated w/ 
epogen shots. But this has to be closely monitored by a 
vet.
We also supplemented w/ a homeopathic tissue salt - 
but right now I'm drawing a blank. It'll come to me 
eventually.
Anyone familiar w/ the name

Patti

Re: Feline leukemia in Florida Panthers

2005-02-08 Thread Faye Lewis

I recently saw a journal citation about feline leukemia and panthers.  If 
you do a pubmed.com search or perhaps a medline, you might be able to find 
it.  That is where I do most of my search. If get a chance I will try to 
find the citations I saw. I did not see the actual articles.  However, the 
citations indicated that FeLV had indeed been found in panthers but I was 
thinking they were South American panthers that had it.

I did check, Florida Panthers are not extinct--Yet.
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Re: Feline leukemia in Florida Panthers




I'm just surprised that there hasn't been more said about it 
in recent years
That show was on quite awhile ago.
Time to do some searching
Patti

Re: treatment for anemia




Jill,
It is "Bioplasma" manufactured by Hylands, avaialable 
at natural food stores.
Patti

RE: treatment for anemia

2005-02-08 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.

Dear Jill
You will get lots of replies from others much more knowledgeable than
me.
My 2 cents worth: there's been a lot of feedback from members on anemia
recently and it is VERY important to get treatment ASAP. I didn't
realize it was so serious.
My FeLV pos Levi, who was PTS on 1/25, had anemia; the housecall vet
(whose skill I have questions about now) wasn't overly concerned about
him on 1/21 when she confirmed anemia. But he stopped eating altogether
on the morning of 1/24 and by the time I took him to an emergency vet in
the evening of 1/25 his hematocrit level had dropped to a shocking 7.5.
His mouth was also full of ulcers, I was told.
The last thing I want to do is alarm you unnecessarily, Jill, but that's
my experience with anemia. You may want to consider taking Gary to your
vet today/tonight on an emergency basis.
I hope Gary is eating well and romping with her buddies again soon.
Kerry

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Gary is not doing very well.  She is hanging out alone
(normally she follows from room to room) and still
only eating a few bites.  She goes to the vet for her
PCV and temp check tomorrow afternoon.

My b/f called the vet who said she didn't check her
for anemia when she was in recently for a fever and
the last time she had blood drawn (a couple months
ago) her hematocrit was at 31, which was normal enough
that they didn't mention anything.  I am a little
upset she didn't suggest we get another test when Gary
was just in.

I'm pretty sure Gary has anemia.  What kinds of
treatment have your cats had for anemia (beyond the
initial blood transfusion)?  Is there anything that
they give a cat for chronic anemia or do you just have
to transfuse regularly?  Apparently we have to be the
ones in charge of knowing what to do and what to ask
for from the vet so I'd like to be prepared for
tomorrow.

Thanks,
Jill



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Re: life spans of positives

2005-02-08 Thread Joan Doljan

Puff came to me at about 2 years old and tested positive for both feline leukemia and aids. It was a while ago, and the only medicine available for her was Baypamum (which I had sent via a traveller from Germany) and DMG. When she became anemic (all of a sudden) she went to see Dr. Goldstein who had some success treating Feline Leukemia. She died at about 4 years of age.

Joan[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it is not too hard, could people let me know the ages of their positives now, and the ages of positives who have passed? I keep being told that I was being unrealistic in my hope that Simon, and my others, would live longer than they did. I had heard of positives living as long as 14. My Jo died at age 3, Buddy at age 18 months, and Simon was around 4. My largest grief right now is about his suffering and what he went through, but I am also so grief-stricken at how short his life was. And it was short, very short, at 4 years old, when cats can live to 20. But I also feel like it was short for a positive, like I should have been able to help him live longer than that. I am trying to assess my expectations of this, regarding my remaining positives as well, and so just want to know what the age spans really are for positives who are well
 cared-for, so maybe I can be more honest with myself about what truly can be expected.Thanks,Michelle

Re: life spans of positives





Michelle.

 My positive, Peridot, is at least 9 years old. I have had him for
over 7 years. He was positive on the Elisa and IFA (Dr. Hardy said it
was replicating in his bone marrow). He has never had any symptoms of
illness except he plugged a couple of years ago (struvite crystals) and
some gingivitis. He is on a medication for the crystals and Wysong
Uretic food. He also gets vitamin c, Cosequin for Cats (helps with
bladder crystals also although vets don't know why) and Co Q 10 (30 Mg)
for his teeth/gums.

 After checking with this intelligent, informative group of
individuals on this List and doing my own research, there apparently is
no correlation between struvite crystals and Peri being positive.

 Just think, Michelle, Simon wouldn't have had four years or any
years if you hadn't adopted him, taken such good, loving care of him
and given him a wonderful forever home.


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Re: treatment for anemia

It depends on the cause.  It could be a bacterial infection called 
hemobartanella (sp?) which is treated with antibiotics. Or an auto-immune 
response, 
treated with steroids. Or lymphoma, which can be treated with chemo and 
steroids.  
Or kidney-related, treated with Epogen. Or leukemia-related.  And it can be 
fatal if not treated, no matter the cause, if it gets serious enough. It has 
taken the lives of many of the cats on this list serve. Simon died from anemia, 
caused either by his lymphoma or, the oncologist thinks more likely, a sudden 
auto-immune response to the lymphoma in which he started killing off his own 
red blood cells.  You need to take him to a knowledgeable vet. I would not 
trust this kind of diagnosis to a run of the mill country vet like we have out 
here.
Michelle

OT: Lynx Point Himalayan Female + Needs Home





Hi All

 If anybody has room for this beautiful girl, please contact Dale Thompson below.  I do have a picture of Merry if anyone wants to see her.  Permission to crosspost wherever.

 Thank you.


Hey Brenda,

I was just wondering if you could do me a favor and post 
this girl, Merry, on your Feline Leukemia message 
board/group.  Merry is a 1-2 yr old Lynx point Himalayan 
female that is Feline Leukemia positive.  Word got out about 
the placement of Lovey, and now I have people emailing me 
asking me to pass the word along about other FELV+ kitties.  
She is beautiful though!   I'm attaching a picture to this 
email.  She's located in the Atlanta, GA area and she had 
two FELV+ kittens that they have already found wonderful 
homes for, but now little Merry is left.  They say Merry is 
VERY sweet!!  If you could post her, that would be great! 
The contact info for her is:

Dale Thompson
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Thanks Brenda, I appreciate all your help.  
jenny
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Re: life spans of positives

I wonder if it depends on the strain. Some of you have had all your positives 
live past 5, some of you have had them all die young. One person had 4 from 
the same litter with one living to 5, one to 6, and the others are still ok at 
9 (knock on wood).  Of Leeloo's litter, the longest-lived so far is 8 1/2 
months (may he live a long time).  Do you think it has to do with the strain at 
all? I have never followed the threads or research on strains because I did not 
see why it mattered to know such things. But maybe that is an explanation. I 
have thought the explanation is that I have done things to stress my cats, or 
not done everything right, etc. But I do not think that of Steve, and in fact 
the kittens from leeloo's litter have lives with different people.  Though I 
have heard that the first 18 months are the most touch and go, that so many die 
before that but those that make it that long can often live a while. Does 
anyone have any thoughts?

I don't know why I am obsessing about this. Either way, if can not bring 
Simon back, or Leeloo, or any of them.  But I am just having so much trouble 
accepting that they have such short lives, even now when I have lost 3 of them 
(or 
4, depending how you count, as one I had as a foster in the beginning for 2 
weeks and he was euthanized without my knowledge when I left him back at the 
shelter for a few days when I had to go away and they said he plummeted).   
Gray 
says to think of Simon as a meteor, fast and furious and intense. he lived a 
short life but was so much happier and funnier and more intense than other cats 
are that he crammed a lot of life into those 4 years.
Michelle


In a message dated 2/8/05 4:11:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Michelle,


You feel 4 years was short for a positive?? It's still all too fresh with

me. It is sooo hard to loose kittens, especially my Leeloo, who was sweet

beyond description. But, let me tell you how lucky you are to have had your

positives for so long!!


Of the litter of 4...

Leeloo: 8 months 1 day

Abby:   7 months

Milo:   4 1/2 months


Loki, at 8 1/2 months, is still healthy and going strong.



Steve

Re: treatment for anemia

I wrote a response without reading your posting, based on other people's 
responses. Now I have read it...  31 is hardly low at all, and at some labs is 
actually considered low normal. If you do not have prior blood work on her, it 
is 
hard to know if that signifies anemia.  It certainly is not a 
tranfusion-needing level-- they generally only do that if it is below 13.  

However, Gary does sound sick, which could mean anemia or could mean 
something else. I would take the info about anemia we have sent you and take 
her to 
the best vet you can find, which may or may not mean a board-certified 
internist 
at a large veterinary hospital.

Symptoms of anemia do include lethargy and inappetance, but can also, at more 
serious levels, include licking at strange things like concrete, stone, or 
dirt or ash, or even ice, and at very severe levels shortness of breath.  Their 
gums and paw pads get pale, and if you raise their upper eyelid to look at the 
white area above the eye, you will not see any pink blood vessels like on 
other cats, or they will be paler pink.

Michelle

In a message dated 2/8/05 3:12:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Gary is not doing very well.  She is hanging out alone
(normally she follows from room to room) and still
only eating a few bites.  She goes to the vet for her
PCV and temp check tomorrow afternoon.

My b/f called the vet who said she didn't check her
for anemia when she was in recently for a fever and
the last time she had blood drawn (a couple months
ago) her hematocrit was at 31, which was normal enough
that they didn't mention anything.  I am a little
upset she didn't suggest we get another test when Gary
was just in.

I'm pretty sure Gary has anemia.  What kinds of
treatment have your cats had for anemia (beyond the
initial blood transfusion)?  Is there anything that
they give a cat for chronic anemia or do you just have
to transfuse regularly?  Apparently we have to be the
ones in charge of knowing what to do and what to ask
for from the vet so I'd like to be prepared for
tomorrow.

Thanks,
Jill

Re: life spans of positives (forward from Cherie)

2005-02-08 Thread Nina

Cherie,
I always watch and listen to my kitties very closely.  Instigator, (6 
year old neg), sometimes has audible breathing and he down right snores 
when he sleeps.  Whenever I hear one of my positives snoring, I think of 
Insty and it calms me down.  That being said, positives need extra care 
and attention to stay healthy.  Whenever there's a problem I jump on it, 
giving them extra Lysine and Vita C.  Sally uses something called 
Transfer Factors that she thinks helps with URIs.  There have been many 
times that a symptom appears that with a negative cat I'd take a 
wait-and-see approach.  You can't do that with a positive.  I'm sure 
your vet has listened to Amber's lungs, what does he say?  Is she 
sneezing, or snorting at all?  Are her nose or eyes runny?  She could 
have allergies, or if it's been windy perhaps dust is giving her 
problems.  If you're concerned you might want to take her in for a checkup.

Nina
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 2/8/2005 9:32:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I hope that they are wrong, my girl Amber tested positive, and I
could not bear loosing her, she is my angel, she came to me sick
and weak wanting tons of lovin' and she tested negative at that
time, I fattened her up gave her tons of attention and now just
recently she tested positive. I never thought about it but she
always can be heard when she breathes does that mean it is in her
lungs? I hope they can come up with a cure, I do not like to hear
about kitties that pass.
Cherie
 

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trying to decide whether to ultrasound Lucy

My cat Lucy has UTI symptoms, which i wrote about earlier-- straining and 
some blood.  She was on baytril for 2 days with no changes, and has been on 
clavamox for 5 days and seems to be urinating less frequently but still has 
some 
blood.  The local vet wants to ultrasound her for possible bladder stones. I 
fear possible lymphoma.  She is eating fine and playing and purring, though, 
and 
does not seem to have any pain or discomfort.  She hates car rides but is not 
so bad at the vet's once I get her out of the carrier and love her up a bit. I 
try everything--rescue remedy, felliway, letting her out of the carrier in 
the car (she tried to ride on the dashboard right in front of the steering 
wheel 
so i could not see, still screaming).  She has never been out of my hands at 
the vet, which would be necessary for an ultrasound. If she has lymphoma, I 
would do steroids at least and probably try chemo, though the local vet does 
not 
seem to think she has this. Bladder stones apparently require surgery, which 
I do not think I would do unless she gets pain or it is life-threatening, 
since anesthesia can trigger the virus.  I am wondering if maybe she is just 
taking longer to respond to antibiotics because she is positive?

Have any of you had experience with these symptoms not responding right away 
to antibiotics but, in fact, just being a UTI? The vet got a small urine 
sample last time by scraping it off the pad in her carrier, and said there were 
no 
crystals. But it was a small sample, so maybe she just has those...

To tell the truth, and i know this is not a reason to make decisions by, I am 
a bit horrified by having her belly shaved so soon after losing Simon. I feel 
like I will have PTSD every time I look at her.

Michelle

Re: life spans of positives

Actually, he was living at a shelter that keeps positives. I adopted him only 
a little over 2.5 years ago. I am sure he preferred living here, but it is 
not true that he would not have  had any time if I had not adopted him.
Michelle


In a message dated 2/8/05 5:06:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   Just think, Michelle, Simon wouldn't have had four years or any 
years if you hadn't adopted him, taken such good, loving care of him and 
given him a wonderful forever home.

Re: Metronidazole

2005-02-08 Thread Nina





Thank you Patti,
I'm always looking for alternatives that might help Gypsy. I told my
vet about Penicillin G instead of the Flagil, she thought it was a good
idea and prescribed it. Now I'm a bit sorry because it means
injections for 14 days straight. I'll ask her about the Arsenicum
Album.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  We too have used the compounding method
w/ flavoring.
  
  If it's being used just to control IBD,
my holistic vet prescribed a homeopthic remedy, Arsenicum Album 30X.
They are tiny tablets that dissolve very easy when food. I have great
success using it when my old man has flare ups.

Re: treatment for anemia (Terrie's Cross Post from Cherie)





In a message dated 2/8/2005 1:47:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Is Gary pale? Have you tried the Liver shake?
Cherie


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Re: life spans of positives (Cherie's cross post)





In a message dated 2/8/2005 1:55:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Steve,
I feel for you, but 4 years, 4 months, 4 days, it is all hard and they are all with us for entirely too short of a time span.
Cherie


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Re: life spans of positives

2005-02-08 Thread BONNIE J KALMBACH

My little Henry Lee, who originally tested a false negative, died 
before he was two years old. His virus was activated, the vet thought, 
by the stress of anesthesia when he had a dental. After the virus 
activated, three other kitties (Katyushka, Phillipe, and Claudette) 
were infected. They both lived two more years; Their health was pretty 
good the first year after testing positive which gave me hope, but they 
began to decline during the second year. A third kitty, my fat little 
tabby Claudette, through off the virus and tested negative a month or 
so after testing positive. She was three years old at the time. 
Katyushka was a beautiful pale gold Angora who passed at 16 years and  
Phillipe, Claudette's brother, passed at age five. I was told that most 
kitties live two years after being infected.

Bonnie 

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2005 7:59 am
Subject: life spans of positives

 If it is not too hard, could people let me know the ages of their 
 positives 
 now, and the ages of positives who have passed? I keep being told 
 that I was 
 being unrealistic in my hope that Simon, and my others, would live 
 longer than 
 they did. I had heard of positives living as long as 14.  My Jo 
 died at age 3, 
 Buddy at age 18 months, and Simon was around 4.  My largest grief 
 right now is 
 about his suffering and what he went through, but I am also so 
 grief-stricken 
 at how short his life was. And it was short, very short, at 4 
 years old, when 
 cats can live to 20. But I also feel like it was short for a 
 positive, like I 
 should have been able to help him live longer than that. I am 
 trying to 
 assess my expectations of this, regarding my remaining positives 
 as well, and so 
 just want to know what the age spans really are for positives who 
 are well 
 cared-for, so maybe I can be more honest with myself about what 
 truly can be 
 expected.
 Thanks,
 Michelle

Re: life spans of positives

2005-02-08 Thread Nina

My positives all came from the same litter rescued at 2/12 weeks.  We're 
pretty sure they were born with it, or were exposed in the short time 
before they were rescued.  Flash died suddenly at 8 mos., his sister 
Molly, about 2 months later, they were both placed in the same home to 
very loving, caring guardians.  The remaining kittens are now 16 
months.  Lucky is still going strong in another home and has never shown 
any symptoms; he hasn't been tested for FeLV.  Tim has tested negative 
and has never been sick either.  You know about Jazz and Grace.  I'm 
sure I would have lost both of them by now, if I hadn't been on top of 
it every time they got sick.  I am also convinced that VO, Dox, (or the 
combination) has saved Grace on more than one occasion, and Jazz 
recovered with just the VO at least once.  I'm constantly holding my 
breath with both of them.
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it is not too hard, could people let me know the ages of their positives 
now, and the ages of positives who have passed? I keep being told that I was 
being unrealistic in my hope that Simon, and my others, would live longer than 
they did. I had heard of positives living as long as 14.  My Jo died at age 3, 
Buddy at age 18 months, and Simon was around 4.  My largest grief right now is 
about his suffering and what he went through, but I am also so grief-stricken 
at how short his life was. And it was short, very short, at 4 years old, when 
cats can live to 20. But I also feel like it was short for a positive, like I 
should have been able to help him live longer than that. I am trying to 
assess my expectations of this, regarding my remaining positives as well, and so 
just want to know what the age spans really are for positives who are well 
cared-for, so maybe I can be more honest with myself about what truly can be 
expected.
Thanks,
Michelle

Re: Metronidazole




Nina,
I too am always looking at 
alternatives...
Have come across some that have really been helpful. 
Like Felix, I NEVER thought we'd be able to control his IBD. And although he's 
not a positive, he's 19 and so frail. The tablets work like a charm and he 
doesn't even realize he's being medicated...they dissolve in his wet food. And 
he may be old  frail, but a real pistol to try to medicate! I'm always 
afraid I'm going to injure him, he puts up such a fight. And the old boy doesn't 
need the added stress.

Another GREAT tissue salt is NUX VOMICA, it's listed 
as being helpful in treating many disorders.
Two years ago I pulled a senior sheltie from a shelter 
in Ohio and he developed horrible kennel cough. I had found a wonderful 
placement for him, but the people had a 16 year old sheltie and were very 
cautious about over-vaccinating at her age. I didn't want Mickey to have to stay 
@ the shelter, for fear of spreading the kennel cough, even though all dogs are 
given the bordatella vaccine, it takes time to be effective, and sometimes 
requires a second vx. Since my dogs were all UTD I decided to "foster" Mickey 
until he got over the kennel cough and could go on to his furever home. Working 
w/ my regular vet, we tried everything! Poor Mickey wasn't responding to 
any AB's  I was really getting concerned. After doing alot of research 
 talking w/ my holistic vet we decided to try the Nux Vomica, I did have my 
doubts
But after only three days Mickey had gotten over the 
kennel cough and got a clean bill of health and was able to go 
"home".
After that experience, we treated dogs w/ kennel cough 
w/ the Nux Vomica rather than going the AB routine.

We also used the Bioplasma for anemia and as a 
supplement for our Felv+ residents.

When you think about it, these were the types of 
things used before pharmaceuticals came into the picture.
Sometimes I think we do more harm than good by using 
these modern drugs.

Good Luck,
Patti

Re: trying to decide whether to ultrasound Lucy

2005-02-08 Thread Julie Johnson

Hi Michelle,

I understand completely that any sort physical reminder of treatment so soon after losing Simon is going to be horrible. I'm trying to remember my last ultrasound (of a cat!) and I can't remember if they even shaved the belly. They could give her a shot of Ketamine while you are holding her, she will fall asleep within minutes, then they could do the ultrasound and she'd be back in your arms before she woke up.

Little Evie did not have UTI problems, but she did have bouts of URI's and being FeLV+, I always felt that she took longer to respond to treatment. In some cats, they just flat out take a long time to respond to treatment for a UTI; those miserable bacteria can be really stubborn.

What is Lucy drinking for water? A course of distilled water (as opposed to even spring water) might be helpful in trying to flush her out.

I know it's a tough decision; maybe just try her on antibiotics a bit longer?

Julie

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My cat Lucy has UTI symptoms, which i wrote about earlier-- straining and some blood. She was on baytril for 2 days with no changes, and has been on clavamox for 5 days and seems to be urinating less frequently but still has some blood. The local vet wants to ultrasound her for possible bladder stones. I fear possible lymphoma. She is eating fine and playing and purring, though, and does not seem to have any pain or discomfort. She hates car rides but is not so bad at the vet's once I get her out of the carrier and love her up a bit. I try everything--rescue remedy, felliway, letting her out of the carrier in the car (she tried to ride on the dashboard right in front of the steering wheel so i could not see, still screaming). She has never been out of my hands at the vet, which would be necessary for an ultrasound. If she has lymphoma, I
would do steroids at least and probably try chemo, though the local vet does not seem to think she has this. Bladder stones apparently require surgery, which I do not think I would do unless she gets pain or it is life-threatening, since anesthesia can trigger the virus. I am wondering if maybe she is just taking longer to respond to antibiotics because she is positive?Have any of you had experience with these symptoms not responding right away to antibiotics but, in fact, just being a UTI? The vet got a small urine sample last time by scraping it off the pad in her carrier, and said there were no crystals. But it was a small sample, so maybe she just has those...To tell the truth, and i know this is not a reason to make decisions by, I am a bit horrified by having her belly shaved so soon after losing Simon. I feel like I will have PTSD every time I look at her.Michelle"I hold that!
, the
more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'

RE: trying to decide whether to ultrasound Lucy

2005-02-08 Thread Jen Meyer

Title: Message



You 
may be right about the shaving part, Julie! Our Burboy (FeLV+) had a heart 
ultrasound done and they didn't shave...it only took them about2 or3 
minutes to do the ultrasound, too! :)

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Julie JohnsonSent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:38 
  PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Re: trying to decide 
  whether to ultrasound Lucy
  Hi Michelle,
  
  I understand completely that any sort physical reminder of treatment so 
  soon after losing Simon is going to be horrible. I'm trying to remember 
  my last ultrasound (of a cat!) and I can't remember if they even shaved the 
  belly. They could give her a shot of Ketamine while you are holding her, 
  she will fall asleep within minutes, then they could do the ultrasound and 
  she'd be back in your arms before she woke up.
  
  Little Evie did not have UTI problems, but she did have bouts of URI's 
  and being FeLV+, I always felt that she took longer to respond to 
  treatment. In some cats, they just flat out take a long time to respond 
  to treatment for a UTI; those miserable bacteria can be really stubborn. 
  
  
  What is Lucy drinking for water? A course of distilled water (as 
  opposed to even spring water) might be helpful in trying to flush her 
  out.
  
  I know it's a tough decision; maybe just try her on antibiotics a bit 
  longer?
  
  Julie 
  
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  My 
cat Lucy has UTI symptoms, which i wrote about earlier-- straining and 
some blood. She was on baytril for 2 days with no changes, and has been 
on clavamox for 5 days and seems to be urinating less frequently but 
still has some blood. The local vet wants to ultrasound her for possible 
bladder stones. I fear possible lymphoma. She is eating fine and playing 
and purring, though, and does not seem to have any pain or discomfort. 
She hates car rides but is not so bad at the vet's once I get her out of 
the carrier and love her up a bit. I try everything--rescue remedy, 
felliway, letting her out of the carrier in the car (she tried to ride 
on the dashboard right in front of the steering wheel so i could not 
see, still screaming). She has never been out of my hands at the vet, 
which would be necessary for an ultrasound. If she has lymphoma, I would 
do steroids at least and probably try chemo, though the local vet does not 
seem to think she has this. Bladder stones apparently require surgery, 
which I do not think I would do unless she gets pain or it is 
life-threatening, since anesthesia can trigger the virus. I am wondering 
if maybe she is just taking longer to respond to antibiotics because she 
is positive?Have any of you had experience with these symptoms not 
responding right away to antibiotics but, in fact, just being a UTI? The 
vet got a small urine sample last time by scraping it off the pad in her 
carrier, and said there were no crystals. But it was a small sample, so 
maybe she just has those...To tell the truth, and i know this is not 
a reason to make decisions by, I am a bit horrified by having her belly 
shaved so soon after losing Simon. I feel like I will have PTSD every 
time I look at her.Michelle"I hold that! 
  , the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it isto protection by 
  man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its 
  moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are 
  treated."Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH 
  Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to 
  re-think your decision to acquire a pet.
  
  
  Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Search presents - Jib 
  Jab's 'Second Term'

OT: Trader Joe's cat food!

2005-02-08 Thread Jen Meyer

Title: Message



Hey 
Guys!

I just wanted to 
metion a great canned cat food that I stumbled upon while I was in D.C. for a 
few weeks! Thereis a chain of grocery stores (kinda like a "Whole 
Foods" or "Central Market") called Trader Joe's...unfortunately, the stores can 
only be found in about 15-20 states (none here in Texas... :( ), but 
if you're lucky enough to have one nearby, they've got a great canned cat food 
(tuna seems to be the best) whose ingredients are on par with those found in 
Innova, California Natural, etc. BUT Trader Joe's food costs about half as 
much! I picked up just 3 cans of the tuna (shoulda gotten more!) at only 
$0.45 a can!

Oh! And Trader 
Joe's *human* food is pretty excellent as well...AND inexpensive! 
:)

Jen


But if you tame me, then we shallneed 
each other.
To me, you will be unique in all the 
world...
To you, I shall be unique in all the 
world...
You become responsible, forever, for what 
you have tamed...
-Antoine de Saint Exupery

RE: Wellness - is it any good anymore?

2005-02-08 Thread Sue Feldbusch

I'm still using wet wellness food.
From: BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net
To: felvtalk@vlists.net, felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Wellness - is it any good anymore?
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:36:50 -0600
I have two large cans of Wellness and I'm afraid to use them after
reading some posts here. Last week, I gave a little to my 18 year-old
Fu, along with other food - a little bit of A/D, a little of Nutro,
and a tad of Fancy Feast (I usually put several kinds on my finicky
eaters' dishes) - and he had diarrhea for a couple of days. Fu has
been in remission from intestinal cancer for nearly three years.
Should I throw out those two new cans of Wellness, feed them to my
other kitties, is anyone else still feeding Wellness???
puzzled in Wisconsin,
Bonnie

RE: Wellness - is it any good anymore?

2005-02-08 Thread Jen Meyer

I found this on a cat-owner's website:

November 17, 2003. Warning on Wellness canned food: The customer
service department at Wellness has confirmed that the company has been
adding brown rice to their canned foods without changing the label or
their website to reflect this difference.  Although they say that this
only occurred with a test batch of Beef  Chicken flavor, I have seen
reports that all flavors have been affected, and the problem is
geographically widespread in the USA.  People who do not want to feed
grain to their cats, or whose cats are objecting to the altered formula,
should avoid purchasing any cans with a batch number beginning with
GW.   UPDATE, mid-December: Wellness has seen the error of their ways
and has told people that they will be returning to the original formula.
Cans with the GW label with an expiration date after December, 2005
should be okay.  Some people are reporting that their cat does not care
for the food made at this plant; others have no problem.

Here's a link to the website!
http://www.sugarcats.net/sites/jmpeerson/canfood.html




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sue Feldbusch
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:14 PM
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: RE: Wellness - is it any good anymore?


I'm still using wet wellness food.

From: BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@vlists.net
To: felvtalk@vlists.net, felvtalk@vlists.net
Subject: Wellness - is it any good anymore?
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 02:36:50 -0600

I have two large cans of Wellness and I'm afraid to use them after 
reading some posts here. Last week, I gave a little to my 18 year-old 
Fu, along with other food - a little bit of A/D, a little of Nutro, and

a tad of Fancy Feast (I usually put several kinds on my finicky eaters'

dishes) - and he had diarrhea for a couple of days. Fu has been in 
remission from intestinal cancer for nearly three years.

Should I throw out those two new cans of Wellness, feed them to my 
other kitties, is anyone else still feeding Wellness???

puzzled in Wisconsin,
Bonnie

Re: Lysine question

2005-02-08 Thread Kerry MacKenzie

Trader Joe sells L-Lysine for approx $2.50 for 100 x 500mg tablets.

- Original Message -
From: TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@vlists.net
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: Lysine question

 ya think? i have to tell you, tho, that i got so used to walking into
 rooms with 100+, that i couldn't see it from anyone else's point of
 view had friends come to visit, and watched their eyes glaze over,
 and had to ask what it looked like to THEM! hee hee.

 MC

 Gloria B. Lane wrote:

  MC, that's a lot of cats!   Gloria

  At 10:05 PM 2/5/2005, you wrote:

  well, we were dosing 600 cats, remember, so we just figured out
  how many tablespoons-full a day, and distributed it amongst the water
  bowls clearly we couldn't give everyone their personal dose, nor
  really monitor the intake, but it worked, so...

  MC

  Nina wrote:

  Do you remember what the mixing ratio was?
  Nina

  TenHouseCats wrote:

  i know i read a batch of articles that said that it WAS impossible
  to have too high a dosage because it's an essential amino acid, but
  since i never tried to overdose anyone, i can't guarantee that...

  there IS some debate over whether it's okay to give it in water or
  not--people on the list might know more about that aspect of it. i
  know that no one told us NOT to, and i know of vets who have given
  it mixed in a syrup form (at $22.50 for a
  smaller-than-cough-medicine bottle!), so i think that it's probably
  fine mixed with liquid.

  you can go on-line and find lower prices by the pound than the
  $14.99 (that's the NOW brand, and their national retail price); we
  were paying $8.99/pound from an online store, but you'd have to add
  in shipping then--but if you get enough, it might be worth it.

  MC

  Nina wrote:

  MC,
  Thanks for this post!  I had no idea L-Lysine could be bought by
  the pound.  If that price is right, it's s much cheaper.  I
  love the idea of mixing it in their water supply.  We have a lot
  of animals, drinking a lot of water around here, but I don't think
  it's possible to OD on Lysine.  I'll have to check with my vet,
  but I love this idea!  Could you please give us some details about
  how much Lysine per gallon, whether it dissolves in cold water,
etc.?
  Nina

  TenHouseCats wrote:

  noticing that everyone is talking about capsules and stuff--go to
  your nearest health food store and buy it by the pound! it's
  $14.99 retail for something like 500 doses at the 250mg level. a
  lot of stores don't carry the powder, but can order it easily.
  (if you've got LOTS of money, or if someone wants to start up a
  small business, you can buy it by the 55# barrel, too )

  and tho i've lost all my emails, addresses, resource links etc.
  and can't cite this, i recall someone posting awhile back that
  the california state vet association (i think) had mentioned at
  their annual meeting that ALL cats should get lysine, positive or
  not.

  at the sanctuary, we gave it once daily--originally in their
  daily wet food, then we switched over to dissolving it in their
  water because not everyone ate the wet food--and saw an almost
  immediate reduction in symptoms.

  MC

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have been giving Simon 250 mg (hal a tablet) of Lysine twice a
  day for a few weeks with his pred, and it has seemed to help him
  (he was sneezing a lot before that).  I ran out and got more
  from the health food store, the only bottle they had left, and
  got home to find out it is 500 mg capsules-- rather large and
  obviously can't be split like a pill. he will not eat it in
  anything, and in fact is not eating at all this morning and I am
  wondering if it could possibly have to do with not getting any
  Lysine last night.
  My question is do you think it is ok to give him 500 mg at one
  time, once a day, rather than 250 twice a day? And if you think
  it is ok to pill him with what seems like a fairly large
  capsule.  I have pilled him with half a tablet, fairly big but
  not as big as the capsule, just fine by covering it with
  Nutrical.  Thanks,
  Michelle

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RE: Simon passed away

2005-02-08 Thread catatonya

Michelle,

My response must have got lost in the list snafu. I know there's nothing I can say to help your pain right now. I'm so sorry for your loss. But Simon is at peace now. You need try to be at peace with your decisions as well. You did everything you possibly could for him. Don't try to second guess your decisions. Try not to do that to yourself. Simon wouldn't want that either, and you know he's watching over you now.

Take care of yourself,
TonyaChris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Michelle,I am so sorry for your loss. But Michelle, Simon has NOTHING to forgive youabout! You did the very best for him and I know that he knew that to theend...Chris[EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On BehalfOf [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 4:48 PMTo: felvtalk@vlists.netSubject: Simon passed awayI had given him 1/2 dose of the tranquilizer I had here about 3 hours earlier, maybe more. It was only supposed to last one hour, even at fulldose. I think he was unconscious the whole time, though it was hard to tell becausehis eyes were open but they can be under this tranquilizer. About 1/2 hour ago,while waiting for Gray to get home with more steroids, which I had decidedto try as !
a last
resort since getting his blood test results from Thursday and finding out that he likely was having an auto-immune response and killinghis own red blood cells. he had already gotten large doses of steroids, but there was a disagreement as to whether he should get 1/2 cc or 1 cc of depo and hehad gotten only 1/2. So gray went and got another 1/2 cc from someone I knowwho had it. when he got back, Simon still seemed unconscious. I suggested Igive him the dep and then we turn him over. I gave him the depo shot sub-q. hedid not move, but a second later his stomach mildly convulsed twice and he stopped breathing and was gone. While gray was gone, after reading an email about this, I put my hands on Simon and told him it was ok to go if he needed to. That was probably about10 minutes before he went.It was very peaceful and fast, but also kind of shocking as I would have thought he would have cried!
or had
open-mouthed breathing before passingaway, and he did not. I guess because he was tranquilized. I do not see how a sub q shot of steroids could have had any medical effect within a second or two,but it is hard not to think that my poking him with the shot made him pass away,as he did so immediately afterwards. I was trying to help him, but I was giving him more than the oncologist had recommended (I had done so a monthago also, and figured if I had not disobeyed instructions then he would not haverebounded) and it is hard not to feel it pushed him over the edge. Harderthan that, though, is the thought that the last thing I did before he died wasstick him with a needle. And that he had not crashed until I took him to the veton Thursday, and crashed even more after his ordeal at the oncologist's onFriday. Had I known he really was going to die, I would never have put him through that. I had co!
nsidered
not going to the oncologist and just giving himsteroids at home, and wish that I had. The oncologist had said there might be something they could do, that maybe a transfusion would help him or he mighthave a bleed that could be stopped, but all I did was torture him. His leg is all bruised from the vet on Thursday not being able to draw his blood, and Iknow he fought catheterization for the transfusion we tried to give him so hard thathe needed to be given oxygen. I will never forgive myself for that. If he is somewhere, I hope that he forgives me.Thank you for all your prayers and support. if you believe Simon still is somewhere (I myself do not know), please pray that he is ok and happy. Ihave had a lot of cats, but he was possibly the most special. We called him ourdog-cat, because he acted so much like a dog, but with a naughty cat's naughtiness. I will miss him so much and can not believe he is
gone.Michelle

OT: Transporting Adopted Cat from GA to WI??





Hi All

 I remember seeing a few emails quite awhile ago about organizations
who transport cats across the country. I have adopted a felv+ cat from
Athens, GA to be a companion for my positive, Peri. Peri's good buddy
of seven years, Mikey, suddenly passed on this past September and Peri
misses him terribly. They would groom each other and play together.

 Anyway, if any of you have information about volunteer
transportation or ones that charge, I would appreciate hearing about
them. The cat whom I have adopted needs to get out of the vet clinic
fast so I need to move on this.

 Thanks so much.


-- 

 Brenda.

 http://www.whiskersandwicks.com
 http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith 
  	
"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette

Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven.  Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.

Re: life spans of positives

2005-02-08 Thread catatonya

Michelle,

My first positive lived until she was 6 or 7. My current positive is about 6 or 7 (we think). However, my negatives that have died of various diseases, kidney, hyper-t, fatty liver, stroke, etc...were only 10-12. Not that much older really.

t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it is not too hard, could people let me know the ages of their positives now, and the ages of positives who have passed? I keep being told that I was being unrealistic in my hope that Simon, and my others, would live longer than they did. I had heard of positives living as long as 14. My Jo died at age 3, Buddy at age 18 months, and Simon was around 4. My largest grief right now is about his suffering and what he went through, but I am also so grief-stricken at how short his life was. And it was short, very short, at 4 years old, when cats can live to 20. But I also feel like it was short for a positive, like I should have been able to help him live longer than that. I am trying to assess my expectations of this, regarding my remaining positives as well, and so just want to know what the age spans really are for positives who are well
 cared-for, so maybe I can be more honest with myself about what truly can be expected.Thanks,Michelle

Re: life spans of positives

2005-02-08 Thread Kathy Koutsis

Michelle,
I have a positive named Killian who is 11 years old and still asymptomatic. I know that we are very lucky and pray to God that she will continue to stay healthy. We really don't know when she got leukemia but just found out that she is positive last June. It was devastating and shocking. That being said, we have done NOTHING different than love her to pieces! She has not been on any medications or anything like that. Please don't think that Simon could have lived longer if you had done something differently. You did so much for him! What in the world else could you have done? I think cats just have different strains of the virus, some more sever than others and there is nothing that you can do to change that! I guess it's just the luck of the draw. You can't say it's the cats that are well cared for that lived longer. Why has Killian made it to 11? I treat !
her like
I would a negative cat and always have. If she became symptamatic of course I would have to do things differently just as you did for Simon. NO, it's obvious that you did so much for him. I can only hope that if Killian ever got so sick I would have the strength and knowledge to do as well as you!
Kathy[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it is not too hard, could people let me know the ages of their positives now, and the ages of positives who have passed? I keep being told that I was being unrealistic in my hope that Simon, and my others, would live longer than they did. I had heard of positives living as long as 14. My Jo died at age 3, Buddy at age 18 months, and Simon was around 4. My largest grief right now is about his suffering and what he went through, but I am also so grief-stricken at how short his life was. And it was short, very short, at 4 years old, when cats can live to 20. But I also feel like it was short for a positive, like I should have been able to help him live longer than that. I am trying to assess my expectations of this, regarding my remaining positives as well, and so just want to know what the age spans really are for positives who are well
cared-for, so maybe I can be more honest with myself about what truly can be expected.Thanks,Michelle

Re: life spans of positives

2005-02-08 Thread Cherie A Gabbert

I hope this goes through...
Michelle,
Not many other people that would have adopted him would have gone to the lenghts you did, so your love and the love of Gray, made his life that much fuller and happier no one could have cared or loved him more.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, he was living at a shelter that keeps positives. I adopted him only a little over 2.5 years ago. I am sure he preferred living here, but it is not true that he would not have had any time if I had not adopted him.MichelleIn a message dated 2/8/05 5:06:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just think, Michelle, Simon wouldn't have had four years or any years if you hadn't adopted him, taken such good, loving care of him and given him a wonderful forever home.

Re: life spans of positives

2005-02-08 Thread Amy Wilkins

Michelle,

I had one family - mom and 3 kittens.  mom is going on
4 years old but doesn't have much time left.  she is
no longer producing red blood cells and her hematocrit
is falling.  her son hannibal is 3 years.  he has had
it since birth and his hematocrit is 10.  he probably
has only days left.  her other kittens died at 9
months and 11 months, one from anemia and one from
lymphoma.  I also had another cat die at a bit over 1
(anemia) and i have 2 adults 2-3 that are still doing
well.

I don't think many people see how anemic these cats
get.  I do blood work on all mine every 3 months so i
can see how they are doing.  almost all of mine have
died from the anemia.  has anybody figured out a way
to stop this?  my vet has researched it over and over
again.  people have told me to do the liver shake, use
pet tinic or iron supplements, etc.  i don't do any of
this because my vet tells me you can give the cat all
the iron you want but if the bone marrow can't make
the cells, it doesn't help.  I don't want to keep
giving my cats meds that don't help.  if anybody has
reversed the anemia, please let me know.  I've
considered transfusions but my vet says after 1 or 2
transfusions, you get too much cross-reactivity.  

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If it is not too hard, could people let me know the
 ages of their positives 
 now, and the ages of positives who have passed? I
 keep being told that I was 
 being unrealistic in my hope that Simon, and my
 others, would live longer than 
 they did. I had heard of positives living as long as
 14.  My Jo died at age 3, 
 Buddy at age 18 months, and Simon was around 4.  My
 largest grief right now is 
 about his suffering and what he went through, but I
 am also so grief-stricken 
 at how short his life was. And it was short, very
 short, at 4 years old, when 
 cats can live to 20. But I also feel like it was
 short for a positive, like I 
 should have been able to help him live longer than
 that. I am trying to 
 assess my expectations of this, regarding my
 remaining positives as well, and so 
 just want to know what the age spans really are for
 positives who are well 
 cared-for, so maybe I can be more honest with myself
 about what truly can be 
 expected.
 Thanks,
 Michelle
 
 


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Re: OT: Transporting Adopted Cat from GA to WI??

2005-02-08 Thread TenHouseCats





brenda, there is a vast network of transporters all over the country,
tho not all will do cats, and many of those won't do FeLVs. but go to
yahoogroups.com and search for them. also, most states have a transport
groups, too--look for the name of the states the transport would go
through.

Brenda K. Smith wrote:

  
  
  Hi All
  
 I remember seeing a few emails quite awhile ago about organizations
who transport cats across the country. I have adopted a felv+ cat from
Athens, GA to be a companion for my positive, Peri. Peri's good buddy
of seven years, Mikey, suddenly passed on this past September and Peri
misses him terribly. They would groom each other and play together.
  
 Anyway, if any of you have information about volunteer
transportation or ones that charge, I would appreciate hearing about
them. The cat whom I have adopted needs to get out of the vet clinic
fast so I need to move on this.
  
 Thanks so much.
  
  
  -- 

 Brenda.

 http://www.whiskersandwicks.com
 http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith 
  	
"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette

Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven.  Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.
  

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Re: OT: Transporting Adopted Cat from GA to WI??

2005-02-08 Thread Del Daniels




I do volunteertransports and will happily 
help any kitty who comes through my territory of southern Illinois. I 
usually take 100+ mile leg. 

Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  TenHouseCats 
  To: felvtalk@vlists.net 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 8:40 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT: Transporting Adopted Cat 
  from GA to WI??
  brenda, there is a vast network of transporters all over the 
  country, tho not all will do cats, and many of those won't do FeLVs. but go to 
  yahoogroups.com and search for them. also, most states have a transport 
  groups, too--look for the name of the states the transport would go 
  through.Brenda K. Smith wrote: 
  Hi 
All I remember seeing a few emails quite 
awhile ago about organizations who transport cats across the country. 
I have adopted a felv+ cat from Athens, GA to be a companion for my 
positive, Peri. Peri's good buddy of seven years, Mikey, suddenly 
passed on this past September and Peri misses him terribly. They would 
groom each other and play together. Anyway, if any 
of you have information about volunteer transportation or ones that charge, 
I would appreciate hearing about them. The cat whom I have adopted 
needs to get out of the vet clinic fast so I need to move on 
this. Thanks so much.-- 

 Brenda.

 http://www.whiskersandwicks.com
 http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith 
  	
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Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven.  Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.
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Re: OT: Transporting Adopted Cat from GA to WI??





Del

 Thank you so much. I am printing your email out to keep track of
who might be able to drive a leg of time. I'm still researching for
auto transporting because I don't want him put in a cargo hold on a
plane. :( 

 Thank you again.


-- 

 Brenda.

 http://www.whiskersandwicks.com
 http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith 
  	
"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette

Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven.  Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.


Del Daniels wrote:






I do volunteertransports and will happily 
help any kitty who comes through my territory of southern Illinois. I 
usually take 100+ mile leg. 

Del

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  TenHouseCats 
  
Brenda K. Smith wrote: 
  Hi 
All

 I remember seeing a few emails quite 
awhile ago about organizations who transport cats across the country. 
I have adopted a felv+ cat from Athens, GA to be a companion for my 
positive, Peri. Peri's good buddy of seven years, Mikey, suddenly 
passed on this past September and Peri misses him terribly. They would 
groom each other and play together.

 Anyway, if any 
of you have information about volunteer transportation or ones that charge, 
I would appreciate hearing about them. The cat whom I have adopted 
needs to get out of the vet clinic fast so I need to move on 
this.

 Thanks so much.

-- 

 Brenda.

 http://www.whiskersandwicks.com
 http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith 
  	
"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette

Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven.  Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.

Re: OT: Transporting Adopted Cat from GA to WI??





 Thank you very much. I have been spending the evening
researching, googling, etc. I want Lovey's journey to be as stress
free as possible.

 Thank you again.


-- 

 Brenda.

 http://www.whiskersandwicks.com
 http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith 
  	
"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette

Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven.  Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.


TenHouseCats wrote:



  

brenda, there is a vast network of transporters all over the country,
tho not all will do cats, and many of those won't do FeLVs. but go to
yahoogroups.com and search for them. also, most states have a transport
groups, too--look for the name of the states the transport would go
through.



Brenda K. Smith wrote:

  
  
  Hi All

  

 I remember seeing a few emails quite awhile ago about organizations
who transport cats across the country. I have adopted a felv+ cat from
Athens, GA to be a companion for my positive, Peri. Peri's good buddy
of seven years, Mikey, suddenly passed on this past September and Peri
misses him terribly. They would groom each other and play together.

  

 Anyway, if any of you have information about volunteer
transportation or ones that charge, I would appreciate hearing about
them. The cat whom I have adopted needs to get out of the vet clinic
fast so I need to move on this.

  

 Thanks so much.

  

  
  -- 

 Brenda.

 http://www.whiskersandwicks.com
 http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith 
  	
"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette

Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven.  Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.

Re: life spans of positives-- anemia

Have they been tested for hemobartanella, a bacterial infection that causes 
anemia and needs antibiotics?  and have you tried steroids-- someone on this 
list has a positive who became anemic from destroyign her own red blood cells 
with an auto-immune reaction (which the oncologist thinks simon did as well) 
and 
shots of depomedrol for 6 months helped her cat reverse that condition and 
stop destroying her red blood cells.   And then there is epogen/procrit if it 
is 
a kidney-related issue.  And possibly most important, it is possible that the 
feline interferon that has to be imported from Europe will stop the anemia 
caused directly by the FeLV virus.

I have lost 2 to anemia, Simon whose anemia was lymphoma-related and Buddy 
whose anemia was either related to lymphoma or FIP (he never got a definitive 
diagnosis).

Michelle 


In a message dated 2/8/05 9:12:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Michelle,

I had one family - mom and 3 kittens.  mom is going on
4 years old but doesn't have much time left.  she is
no longer producing red blood cells and her hematocrit
is falling.  her son hannibal is 3 years.  he has had
it since birth and his hematocrit is 10.  he probably
has only days left.  her other kittens died at 9
months and 11 months, one from anemia and one from
lymphoma.  I also had another cat die at a bit over 1
(anemia) and i have 2 adults 2-3 that are still doing
well.

I don't think many people see how anemic these cats
get.  I do blood work on all mine every 3 months so i
can see how they are doing.  almost all of mine have
died from the anemia.  has anybody figured out a way
to stop this?  my vet has researched it over and over
again.  people have told me to do the liver shake, use
pet tinic or iron supplements, etc.  i don't do any of
this because my vet tells me you can give the cat all
the iron you want but if the bone marrow can't make
the cells, it doesn't help.  I don't want to keep
giving my cats meds that don't help.  if anybody has
reversed the anemia, please let me know.  I've
considered transfusions but my vet says after 1 or 2
transfusions, you get too much cross-reactivity.

Re: life spans of positives

2005-02-08 Thread anzajaguar




Akira is about 2.5 yrs old..and as far as I can tell she was not born 
with it...but contracted it VEY early...first 6 monthsprobally sooner than 
thatI say she contracted it b/c when I had found her...something had 
obviously attacked her..I am assumming it was a larger cat...who was 
positive

Lisaand 
fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar 
Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired 
dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel 
crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal 
parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)

Re: Feline leukemia in Florida Panthers--ask Dr Susan

2005-02-08 Thread anzajaguar





what does Dr susan have to sya about this? was it found in Big cats 
first.or is this just recent..
Lisaand 
fur-bratsAkira--FeLV miracle baby www.geocities.com/anzajaguar 
Indy-- Truley Indian Jones as a cat..FEARLESSLance- Mini wire haired 
dashchundBow-Tie- 2yr old (sss he doesnt know he is 15 :) ) jack russel 
crossBennie Bird-- Vampire cockatielAnza-- sexist Senegal 
parrot..deffinantly a ladies bird :)

Re: OT: Transporting Adopted Cat from GA to WI??




The Yahoo group I have worked w/ when I pulled from 
Spalding Co. A.C. is called Billyboard. (Named after the first Spalding 
rescue)

The group focuses on Spalding  its' animals, but 
also does work w/ Athens  other Ga. shelters.

There is a database that lists people willing to do 
transports.And yes, they do transport cats.
There's help available w/ either land or air 
transport.
Also a local recsuer who will board for a very 
reasonable price while transport is arranged.

My sweet Ethan, Felv+furangel was rescued from 
Spalding.

Patti

Re: OT: Transporting Adopted Cat from GA to WI??





In a message dated 2/8/2005 10:23:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm 
  still researching for auto transporting because I don't want him put in a 
  cargo hold on a plane. :( 

Just wanted to add, that Delta airlines has it's base 
in Atlanta and you might be able to find a Delta employee that is willing to fly 
the pet directly to you.. They fly free and when I used that option the cost 
for the cat to fly was about $50.00. This way they are in the cabin w/ the 
person and not in cargo. I flew four of my rescues up using that 
option.
And now is a very bad time of the year for using 
cargo I think they have restrictions on that for a few more 
months.
Unfortunately, the woman that was doing the Delta 
transports has given it up. But there are others doing it, I just don't have 
names.
You can also try posting for transport help on the 
Acme Pet Board

Patti

Re: OT: Transporting Adopted Cat from GA to WI??

2005-02-08 Thread catatonya

Hey Brenda!

That's the cat I posted about a few weeks ago! Congratulations!

FYI to anyone interested, Jennifer now has another positive. It is a white female, persian.

t"Brenda K. Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Del Thank you so much. I am printing your email out to keep track of who might be able to drive a leg of time. I'm still researching for auto transporting because I don't want him put in a cargo hold on a plane. :( Thank you again.--

Brenda.

http://www.whiskersandwicks.com
http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith

"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette

Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.

Del Daniels wrote:

I do volunteertransports and will happily
help any kitty who comes through my territory of southern Illinois. I
usually take 100+ mile leg.

Del

- Original Message -
From:
TenHouseCats

Brenda K. Smith wrote:
Hi
All

I remember seeing a few emails quite
awhile ago about organizations who transport cats across the country.
I have adopted a felv+ cat from Athens, GA to be a companion for my
positive, Peri. Peri's good buddy of seven years, Mikey, suddenly
passed on this past September and Peri misses him terribly. They would
groom each other and play together.

Anyway, if any
of you have information about volunteer transportation or ones that charge,
I would appreciate hearing about them. The cat whom I have adopted
needs to get out of the vet clinic fast so I need to move on
this.

Thanks so much.

Brenda.

http://www.whiskersandwicks.com
http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith

"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette

Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.

Re: OT: Transporting Adopted Cat from GA to WI??





Patti.

 Wow, thank you so much for all the information. I will check out
the Billyboard on Yahoo. Is the person who boards for a reasonable
price on that board? If not, do you know how I can contact her. We
need to get Lovey out of the vet clinic fast. He has been in an
abusive home. I was going to adopt him about three weeks ago. He had
been rescued by a person who works for the humane society. She found
him under her car in the parking lot in a bad thunderstorm crying like
crazy. She put up signs, etc. In the meantime, his story was posted
on here. He was unneutered and FELV+. Plans were started to finalize
the adoption and I got an email about a week ago that his owners had
called and described him. They told the woman about the wonderful home
in Cat Heaven, WI that had been found for him and that the person
adopting had a felv+ cat and knew how to properly care for him, but
they wanted him back.

 They promised they would have him neutered and wouldn't let him out
of the house again. He is about a year old. A couple of days ago, the
same lady who rescued him the first time was having dinner at her
boyfriend's house when they heard crying outside his door. There was
Lovey (I had already named him) standing at the door meowing his heart
out (how he ever found her again is a true miracle). The lady grabbed
him and saw that he was still unneutered and had a large bloody wound
on his neck. :( She rushed him to the vet clinic and had a tech who
works with her email me that he was mine if I still wanted him. I
emailed back - Oh h*** yes, I want him. My grown daughter and I were
shouting with joy. I just had a feeling that he would be back.

 Anyway, they want him out of the clinic asap in case the owners
come back there looking for him. By law they have to give him back,
but he needs to be in an inside, loving, forever home like mine. :)
So, I have to get him out of there to stay somewhere until transport
can be arranged.

 Unfortunately, I have to be gone all day tomorrow until evening
with tons of tests at the hospital. I am a heart transplant patient
and this is my yearly testing. So if I can get in contact with the
lady who boards, that would put my mind at rest until transport is
arranged.

 Thanks so much again.


-- 

 Brenda.

 http://www.whiskersandwicks.com
 http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith 
  	
"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette

Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven.  Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




The Yahoo group I have worked w/ when I pulled from 
Spalding Co. A.C. is called Billyboard. (Named after the first Spalding 
rescue)

The group focuses on Spalding  its' animals, but 
also does work w/ Athens  other Ga. shelters.

There is a database that lists people willing to do 
transports.And yes, they do transport cats.
There's help available w/ either land or air 
transport.
Also a local recsuer who will board for a very 
reasonable price while transport is arranged.

My sweet Ethan, Felv+furangel was rescued from 
Spalding.

Patti

Re: life spans of positives (forward from Cherie)





In a message dated 2/8/2005 5:56:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Nina,
I have had major problems with the FeLV list, but Terrie is helping me god bless her. My vet has looked at her lungs and say that there is no upper respitory infection it is just an effect of the feluke, which I am not sure I buy right now, since we are not really sure what Snowball passed from. When I first got Amber she sneezed alot and could not swallow very well, and when she sneezed brown liquid came out, but that has not been for quite awhile now. Maybe I am just being paranoid again, I just hope she lives to be a ripe old age of 24, that would make me very happyI know wishfull thinking, we can always hope.
Cherie


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Re: OT: Transporting Adopted Cat from GA to WI??





Patti

 Thank you for that information also. I will look into that too. :)


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





In a message dated 2/8/2005 10:23:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm 
  still researching for auto transporting because I don't want him put in a 
  cargo hold on a plane. :( 


Just wanted to add, that Delta airlines has it's base 
in Atlanta and you might be able to find a Delta employee that is willing to fly 
the pet directly to you.. They fly free and when I used that option the cost 
for the cat to fly was about $50.00. This way they are in the cabin w/ the 
person and not in cargo. I flew four of my rescues up using that 
option.
And now is a very bad time of the year for using 
cargo I think they have restrictions on that for a few more 
months.
Unfortunately, the woman that was doing the Delta 
transports has given it up. But there are others doing it, I just don't have 
names.
You can also try posting for transport help on the 
Acme Pet Board

Patti

Re: OT: Lynx Point Himalayan Female + Needs Home





In a message dated 2/8/2005 5:41:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sorry, I have now four more coming to me, 2 silver persian, one blue / white persian and one white...that makes nine...argh what to do.


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In a message dated 2/8/2005 5:38:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I hope this goes through...
Michelle,
Not many other people that would have adopted him would have gone to the lenghts you did, so your love and the love of Gray, made his life that much fuller and happier no one could have cared or loved him more.


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Re: OT: Transporting Adopted Cat from GA to WI??




Brenda,
OMG, what a heartwrenching story! That poor 
baby.. Lovey certainly deserves to get out of there and into your 
"loving" home.
The woman who does pulling  boarding is Christine 
Greene. I can vouch for her because she has helped coordinate all my rescues 
dating back to when she was working for a local vet and hadn't started her own 
rescue work. Due to the tremendous response that the Spalding animals have 
gotten from so many out of state rescues, there was a need for reasonable 
accomadations for them while awaiting transports.
She does post on the Billyboard, LivingProof Rescue, 
is her name.
If you want more specifics, e-mail me off list and I'm 
sure I'll be able to dig up her e-mail and phone #'s from my 
files
And good luck tomorrow with your 
tests!!
I'll be praying for you and 
Lovey!!

Patti

Re: OT: Transporting Adopted Cat from GA to WI??





Tonya.

 Yes, that's the one. He's a seal point Himalayan and is a
beautiful boy and very loving, so I named him Lovey. :) 

 The only problem with getting all of these 'need a home' emails is
that I want them all. :) 

 Jenny is a delight. It's been so nice working with her to adopt
Lovey.


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 http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith 
  	
"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette

Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven.  Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.


catatonya wrote:
Hey Brenda!

That's the cat I posted about a few weeks ago! Congratulations!

FYI to anyone interested, Jennifer now has another positive. It is a white female, persian.

t

Re: OT: Lynx Point Himalayan Female + Needs Home