Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert...
I have been a foster failure 4 times. Once I saw how well the foster's did with the the other cats and I fell in love, they had to stay :-D. As far as treating shelter pets, I know that at my shelter there is a set amount per pet and anything above that comes from a special account which has been newly set up. We do not have a vet at our shelter, we have to take the cats and dogs to the vet clinic and there really is no shelter discount for medicine or office visits. I can't make decisions for pets based on money alone. My goal is always the quality of life. I wish you and Gilbert all the best in getting him the right meds to keep him pain-free :-D. I love the image of a 15lb kitty snoozing on your chest :). ~~@~@~@~@~@ *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick* On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 5:21 PM, wrote: > They do get under our skin and become a necessary to our lives. I have 3 > 15 pounders who think I am a mattress for them to sleep on. Thank God they > take turns. Does Gilbert like to KNEED a lot? Homey gets into a trance > and digs deeply so I have had to explain to doctors what all those little > red spots are. Do you have to foster, or can you just adopt so you can > give pain treatment as you see fit? > I end up adopting everyone that comes my way. After just a couple of days > I could not let them go. > > ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > > > Amani... > As always... thank you for the advice and all the other references to > research ( Doxy, Cannabinol) that can be helpful down the road... In > the case of Gilbert it is perplexing that they are so withholding re: > drugs. Gilbert is a favorite of everyone and no one wants to see him > hurting I'll keep making suggestions. Starting once again to pay > my own ( larger) medical contributions under medicare I cannot afford to > be taking him to vets on my own ( as well as it being a potential > problem if I do because he is ( technically) the shelters " property as > he is a Foster Right now he is on purefied liquid Venus Fly Trap > per a complementary Vet who is well regarded in the local > community...which she says helped her keep her own cats tumor at bay for > nine months ( This lady is not simply " out there"... but I have not > yet done any looking re: VFT as I was not planning to prolong Gilbies > life.. Just to make him comfortable and keep him out of the shelter > during his final days Now, of course, having gotten so used to and > loving having him with me I am interested in how to keep him painlessly > around with me longer I like watching TV with a 15 lb cat sitting > on my chest with his face inches from my own... snoring.. > > Bob > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert...
They do get under our skin and become a necessary to our lives. I have 3 15 pounders who think I am a mattress for them to sleep on. Thank God they take turns. Does Gilbert like to KNEED a lot? Homey gets into a trance and digs deeply so I have had to explain to doctors what all those little red spots are. Do you have to foster, or can you just adopt so you can give pain treatment as you see fit? I end up adopting everyone that comes my way. After just a couple of days I could not let them go. ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > Amani... As always... thank you for the advice and all the other references to research ( Doxy, Cannabinol) that can be helpful down the road... In the case of Gilbert it is perplexing that they are so withholding re: drugs. Gilbert is a favorite of everyone and no one wants to see him hurting I'll keep making suggestions. Starting once again to pay my own ( larger) medical contributions under medicare I cannot afford to be taking him to vets on my own ( as well as it being a potential problem if I do because he is ( technically) the shelters " property as he is a Foster Right now he is on purefied liquid Venus Fly Trap per a complementary Vet who is well regarded in the local community...which she says helped her keep her own cats tumor at bay for nine months ( This lady is not simply " out there"... but I have not yet done any looking re: VFT as I was not planning to prolong Gilbies life.. Just to make him comfortable and keep him out of the shelter during his final days Now, of course, having gotten so used to and loving having him with me I am interested in how to keep him painlessly around with me longer I like watching TV with a 15 lb cat sitting on my chest with his face inches from my own... snoring.. Bob ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert...
Amani... As always... thank you for the advice and all the other references to research ( Doxy, Cannabinol) that can be helpful down the road... In the case of Gilbert it is perplexing that they are so withholding re: drugs. Gilbert is a favorite of everyone and no one wants to see him hurting I'll keep making suggestions. Starting once again to pay my own ( larger) medical contributions under medicare I cannot afford to be taking him to vets on my own ( as well as it being a potential problem if I do because he is ( technically) the shelters " property as he is a Foster Right now he is on purefied liquid Venus Fly Trap per a complementary Vet who is well regarded in the local community...which she says helped her keep her own cats tumor at bay for nine months ( This lady is not simply " out there"... but I have not yet done any looking re: VFT as I was not planning to prolong Gilbies life.. Just to make him comfortable and keep him out of the shelter during his final days Now, of course, having gotten so used to and loving having him with me I am interested in how to keep him painlessly around with me longer I like watching TV with a 15 lb cat sitting on my chest with his face inches from my own... snoring.. Bob ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
Bob I know you have had trouble with the clinic in terms of offering you medications, but if it were me, I would also want to try dexamethasone by injection if possible. It is much more powerful than the prednisone in reducing swelling and helping in reducing pain and neurological symptoms in brain lesions. Amani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
I am keeping my vet up to date on things that have worked in the past for other FELV kitties so she can add them to her arsenal and study them on her own. I am so glad to have found someone who is willing to work with me and at least check it out for herself. Ardy Robertson wrote: > I am probably a little late responding – I didn’t check my emails for a few > days, but I used buprenorphine on my Tigger also for his pain. One night > during the night he came running and jumped up in bed with us and was showing > signs of pain. I cut the dose in fourths, so I was giving him the smallest > amount that would work, and I gave it to him in a syringe without the needle > part. He seemed to ask for it. It did not make him drowsy, and worked very > fast. > > Ardy > > > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Sheri Burbridge > Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:15 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert > > > > Thank you for loving him so hard during his last days. It will undoubtedly be > difficult to see him go but it's the price we pay to give them the quality of > life they deserve. > > My Mo was on buprenorphine in his last week. It was in little syringes that > went right on the gums/tongue, maybe it would help? It can make them sleepy > but I don't think it put him in a stupor. > > I hope you find something to help him, it's so hard to see them struggle. > > > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017, 1:04 PM <mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> > wrote: > > While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around his > favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs. This way he > could still be free to roam. I hope you will find some meds for him and he > can be close to you when the time comes. As for not getting attached, that > is impossible. Five minutes after they are with you, you have lost. God b e > with you both and give him a peaceful passing. > > ROBERT CHAPEL mailto:bcha...@optonline.net> > > wrote: > > My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous > Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is > beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his > paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off > and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking > motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw > I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the > shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted > to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or > amelioration I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to > have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, > in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day > or exploring a little bit. As predicted I am going to be > heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I > was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but > apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, > gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to > sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the > " ignore" center in his brain : )... The fact that his balance is a > little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the > affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into > his genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about > watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do... Have > any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put > your cats into a stupor I'm worried about my boy because he is > already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... > would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something > and missisng.. Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" > room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter > so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein > for as long as I can. > Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute > > Bob > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
I am probably a little late responding – I didn’t check my emails for a few days, but I used buprenorphine on my Tigger also for his pain. One night during the night he came running and jumped up in bed with us and was showing signs of pain. I cut the dose in fourths, so I was giving him the smallest amount that would work, and I gave it to him in a syringe without the needle part. He seemed to ask for it. It did not make him drowsy, and worked very fast. Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sheri Burbridge Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert Thank you for loving him so hard during his last days. It will undoubtedly be difficult to see him go but it's the price we pay to give them the quality of life they deserve. My Mo was on buprenorphine in his last week. It was in little syringes that went right on the gums/tongue, maybe it would help? It can make them sleepy but I don't think it put him in a stupor. I hope you find something to help him, it's so hard to see them struggle. On Thu, Jun 8, 2017, 1:04 PM mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> > wrote: While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around his favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs. This way he could still be free to roam. I hope you will find some meds for him and he can be close to you when the time comes. As for not getting attached, that is impossible. Five minutes after they are with you, you have lost. God b e with you both and give him a peaceful passing. ROBERT CHAPEL mailto:bcha...@optonline.net> > wrote: > My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or amelioration I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day or exploring a little bit. As predicted I am going to be heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the " ignore" center in his brain : )... The fact that his balance is a little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into his genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do... Have any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put your cats into a stupor I'm worried about my boy because he is already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something and missisng.. Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein for as long as I can. Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute Bob > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
Anything that avoids putting things into their mouths is good by me. Even Annie as sick as she was, she fought like a full grown tiger. It was hard to hold her and administer the meds at the same time and I did not know anyone who was willing to help me. Plus, she was is such a state by the time we finished that I felt guilty for doing this to her. Amani Oakley wrote: > Hi Marge > > My vet has mentioned to me that the transdermal isn’t always dependable, and > that different clients have had different experiences with it. I personally > prefer it because it avoids having to put something in the cat's mouth, and > especially with a really sick cat who may need other medications or food fed > to him or her, it is just one less thing to have to get into their mouths. I > have never had a problem with the effectiveness of the transdermal. However, > I agree with you that an immediate absorption of the buprenorphine close to > the site you want to effect, is a good option. That is a reason I like the > transdermal in the ear as well, since it is fairly close to the mouth as well. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo > Sent: June-08-17 7:27 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > > > > For my girl with the oral cancer, it seemed to help that it was given right > at the source of the pain. We got a curved tip syringe and it was tiny at the > end. Just slipped between her lips without seeming to cause pain. The > injectible was much slower to show effect, as was the transdermal. > > But every cat and situation is different. I hope you find something that > works for Gilbert > > > Margo > > > -Original Message----- > >From: Amani Oakley > >Sent: Jun 8, 2017 5:53 PM > >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > > > >Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to > >the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding > >pharmacy they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having > >to give it orally when the mouth hurts. > > > >Amani > > > >-----Original Message- > >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > >ROBERT CHAPEL > >Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM > >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > > > >Thanks Sheri... > > > >The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( > >which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of > >experience with _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was > >plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while... I gave a syringe to > >Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit... may be the best choice... I don't > >know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things... > >Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer > >something injectable or something that could be added to his food The > >only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort > >is subq ... so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange > >for a longer period of more comfort... > >> > > > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
Hi Margo My vet has mentioned to me that the transdermal isn’t always dependable, and that different clients have had different experiences with it. I personally prefer it because it avoids having to put something in the cat's mouth, and especially with a really sick cat who may need other medications or food fed to him or her, it is just one less thing to have to get into their mouths. I have never had a problem with the effectiveness of the transdermal. However, I agree with you that an immediate absorption of the buprenorphine close to the site you want to effect, is a good option. That is a reason I like the transdermal in the ear as well, since it is fairly close to the mouth as well. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo Sent: June-08-17 7:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. For my girl with the oral cancer, it seemed to help that it was given right at the source of the pain. We got a curved tip syringe and it was tiny at the end. Just slipped between her lips without seeming to cause pain. The injectible was much slower to show effect, as was the transdermal. But every cat and situation is different. I hope you find something that works for Gilbert Margo -Original Message- >From: Amani Oakley >Sent: Jun 8, 2017 5:53 PM >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > >Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to >the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding pharmacy >they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having to give it >orally when the mouth hurts. > >Amani > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >ROBERT CHAPEL >Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > >Thanks Sheri... > >The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( >which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience >with _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with >Uveitis... He was on it quite a while... I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it >appeared to help a bit... may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted >to ask the group if they've used other things... Particularly since Gilberts >mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or >something that could be added to his food The only reliable way to >medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ... so I guess >he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of >more comfort... >> > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert...
Amani, Margo et al Thank you for the input I am quite familiar with oral buprenorphine having dosed my boys more times than I care to recall... was hoping there might be something else as well but after doing my due diligence on the Web it does appear that cats pose significant challenges when their pain is not joint related... He's already been on one course of Prednisolone...but...frankly, given his condition I don't know why they are not giving it to him chronically. and yes...I agree..ANY thing that can help to reduce inflammation would be a plus... I was fairly into Herbal Tx at one time some years ago but need to look more into it for cats... Wasn't particularly impressed at the results I got but others swear by Herbs ( potency is so variable it's hard to say for certain) When I took Gilbert it was WITH the understanding that I would be hospice fostering him... not looking for cures but amelioration of any discomfort he might have is priority one for ME... I'm over a barrel now because if they don't agree with what i feel he needs for pain I either have to return him to them ( THAT would be very difficult... or pay for it myself... and that violates the terms of fostering the cat But... I doubt they would have an issue they already know what I will propose if they don't agree Buprenorphine isn't prohibitively expensive if purchased in vials and I fill the syringes myself... it would be if it were purchased FROM a vet in prefilled syringes Fortunately he does not yet appear to be in MAJOR pain ( not hiding out, vocalizing, getting aggressive or ceasing eating. but his IS uncomfortable and this will doubtless progress as the tumor grows. Will discuss Prednisolone and Buprenorphine with the shelter vet and director.. Bob ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
For my girl with the oral cancer, it seemed to help that it was given right at the source of the pain. We got a curved tip syringe and it was tiny at the end. Just slipped between her lips without seeming to cause pain. The injectible was much slower to show effect, as was the transdermal. But every cat and situation is different. I hope you find something that works for Gilbert Margo -Original Message- >From: Amani Oakley >Sent: Jun 8, 2017 5:53 PM >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > >Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to >the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding pharmacy >they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having to give it >orally when the mouth hurts. > >Amani > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >ROBERT CHAPEL >Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. > >Thanks Sheri... > >The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( >which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience >with _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with >Uveitis... He was on it quite a while... I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it >appeared to help a bit... may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted >to ask the group if they've used other things... Particularly since Gilberts >mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or >something that could be added to his food The only reliable way to >medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ... so I guess >he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of >more comfort... >> > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
Buprenex/buprenorphine. It is what I have used in many cats, it's very effective, dose is easily adjusted for each cat, and it's simple to give. I get it from Diamndbackdrugs; http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/medication-search/?wpv_column_sort_id=post_date&wpv_column_sort_dir=desc&wpv_paged_preload_reach=1&wpv_view_count=1&wpv_post_id=2060&wpcf-name=BUPRENORPHINE&wpv_filter_submit=Search but most shelters should have it. Oral is best, works the fastest, and just has to go IN the cat's mouth, NOT be swallowed. I had a cat with oral SCC, and she seemed happy and pain free to the end. Since this is a Foster cat, I don't think the shelter is going to pursue much in the way of treatment, but as Amani said prednisolone can only help. And readily available. Thank you for being his soft place to fall, and a final loving home. So many never find that. I know how hard it is, please know you are making a huge difference in a small, but very important, life. Margo -Original Message- >From: ROBERT CHAPEL >Sent: Jun 8, 2017 12:20 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert > >My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous >Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is >beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his >paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off >and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking >motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw >I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the >shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted >to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or >amelioration I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to >have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, >in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day >or exploring a little bit. As predicted I am going to be >heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I >was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but >apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, >gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to >sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the >" ignore" center in his brain : )... The fact that his balance is a >little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the >affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into >his genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about >watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do... Have >any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put >your cats into a stupor I'm worried about my boy because he is >already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... >would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something >and missisng.. Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" >room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter >so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein >for as long as I can. >Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute > >Bob > > >> > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding pharmacy they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having to give it orally when the mouth hurts. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. Thanks Sheri... The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience with _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while... I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit... may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things... Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or something that could be added to his food The only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ... so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of more comfort... > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Bob - one thing to also consider is that you might get some reprieve by reducing the size of the tumour or more correctly, the swelling (edema) around the tumour, through the use of predisone/prednisolone and/or other meds like mannitol or decadron. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds.. Thanks Sheri... The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience with _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while... I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit... may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things... Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or something that could be added to his food The only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ... so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of more comfort... > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
Thanks Sheri... The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of experience with _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while... I gave a syringe to Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit... may be the best choice... I don't know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things... Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer something injectable or something that could be added to his food The only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort is subq ... so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange for a longer period of more comfort... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
Thank you for loving him so hard during his last days. It will undoubtedly be difficult to see him go but it's the price we pay to give them the quality of life they deserve. My Mo was on buprenorphine in his last week. It was in little syringes that went right on the gums/tongue, maybe it would help? It can make them sleepy but I don't think it put him in a stupor. I hope you find something to help him, it's so hard to see them struggle. On Thu, Jun 8, 2017, 1:04 PM wrote: > While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around > his favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs. This > way he could still be free to roam. I hope you will find some meds for him > and he can be close to you when the time comes. As for not getting > attached, that is impossible. Five minutes after they are with you, you > have lost. God b e with you both and give him a peaceful passing. > > ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > > My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous > Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is > beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his > paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off > and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking > motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw > I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the > shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted > to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or > amelioration I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to > have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, > in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day > or exploring a little bit. As predicted I am going to be > heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I > was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but > apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, > gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to > sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the > " ignore" center in his brain : )... The fact that his balance is a > little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the > affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into > his genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about > watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do... Have > any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put > your cats into a stupor I'm worried about my boy because he is > already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... > would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something > and missisng.. Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" > room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter > so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein > for as long as I can. > Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute > > Bob > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around his favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs. This way he could still be free to roam. I hope you will find some meds for him and he can be close to you when the time comes. As for not getting attached, that is impossible. Five minutes after they are with you, you have lost. God b e with you both and give him a peaceful passing. ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: > My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or amelioration I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day or exploring a little bit. As predicted I am going to be heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the " ignore" center in his brain : )... The fact that his balance is a little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into his genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do... Have any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put your cats into a stupor I'm worried about my boy because he is already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something and missisng.. Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein for as long as I can. Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute Bob > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or amelioration I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day or exploring a little bit. As predicted I am going to be heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the " ignore" center in his brain : )... The fact that his balance is a little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into his genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do... Have any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put your cats into a stupor I'm worried about my boy because he is already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something and missisng.. Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein for as long as I can. Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute Bob ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org