Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-08 Thread tamara stickler
Haven't heard that one before, thanks Christinane

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Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 6:01 PM


Don't know if it's the same thing-but my Little Boy has these episodes when
he's sound asleep where he's start twiching and bolts in the air usually
throwing himself off the bed or chair or whatever he's on.  He's sound
asleep when it happens  poor thing is all perplexed when he suddenly wakes
up on the floor or wherever he landed.  I took him to my vet  a neurologist
but nobody seems to be able to tell me what it is.  Could be mild
seizures-he's always been a bit clutzy  when I brought him in, my vet
thought he clutzyness might have been related to his mother maybe having had
distemper.  The signs were real weak so no special care needed.  Sometimes,
Little Boy scares me cause he really likes to get up high  I worry about
him hurting himself when he falls.    



Christiane Biagi



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Hello all,



This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat
care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone
would have an answer for me.



I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago.  Had him neutered and vetted.  He
had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections
-which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder
additive to his food.  He used to be very aggressive towards other cats
(something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for)
and he truly believes himself to be a dog.  He has no fear at ALL of people,
cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into
his crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!).
But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the
household: he has night terrors.



Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm
not home  at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can
be allowed to sleep with us.  Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares
where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH) from a
dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of
furniture- hard enough to wake him up.  Then he sits all hunched up and
blinking for a few minutes.  If I go to him he immediately starts to purr
and rolls over for a belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen
times.



I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something.
All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may
have hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to
be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area.  She
doesn't think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell
something of the first year or two of his life.



I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes.  



As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat
and dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a
chain reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking
and chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms
down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!).  (Not to
mentionI've gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or
more of the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors.



Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going?



Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time?  (He's been an indoor only
cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting lessat
the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are
gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-)



Thanks,

Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby)





      

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-08 Thread mary (merlin) marshall
I'm with antianxiety meds too.  It might also help with his aggression with 
your other cat.

I have 2 on prozac for peeing issues.  One of them also challenges my alpha 
cat.  Putting him on prozac really just took the edge off of him.  He still 
plays with his buddy cats, but he has stopped spraying and he doesn't go after 
my alpha nearly as often.

Merlin

 
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 Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 11:50:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in
 cat?
 
 If the pheremones don't work then talk to your vet about
 antianxiety meds, either prozac or elavil, at least for
 awhile till he begins to get over whatever is in his past.
 (I had one cat on prozac for years.  It made all the
 difference in the world.)
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-07 Thread Barb Moermond
Tamara,
I'm forwarding this individually to Mari as I know she has experience with 
this.  She's on the list, but I think on digest and I want to make sure she 
sees this.
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his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. 
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From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:37:33 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

Hello all,
 
This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat 
care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone 
would have an answer for me.
 
I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago.  Had him neutered and vetted.  He 
had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections 
-which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder additive 
to his food.  He used to be very aggressive towards other cats (something for 
which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly 
believes himself to be a dog.  He has no fear at ALL of people, cats or 
canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into his crate if 
you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!).  But..there is 
one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household: he has 
night terrors.
 
Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm not 
home  at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can be 
allowed to sleep with us.  Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares where he 
BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH) from a dead sleep 
and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard 
enough to wake him up.  Then he sits all hunched up and blinking for a few 
minutes.  If I go to him he immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a 
belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen times.
 
I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something.  
All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may have 
hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to be 3 
bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area.  She doesn't 
think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell something of 
the first year or two of his life.
 
I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes.  
 
As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat and 
dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a chain 
reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and 
chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms down 
(I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!).  (Not to mentionI've 
gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or more of the animals 
flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors.
 
Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going?
 
Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time?  (He's been an indoor only 
cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting lessat 
the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are 
gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-)
 
Thanks,
Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby)


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-07 Thread Debbie Bates

Tamara, I've never seen it in cats...but I HAVE seen it in peopleyou feel 
totally helpless to help, I'm sure.  How about something like amytriptaline 
before bedtime?  You can have it compounded into a transdemal application 
(where you just rub the prescribed amount into the inside of the ear so it's 
not as traumatic as pilling.  I will be anxiously awaiting input here from 
others...poor little fellow

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo


 
 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:37:33 -0800
 From: tlstick...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
 
 Hello all,
  
 This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat 
 care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone 
 would have an answer for me.
  
 I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago.  Had him neutered and vetted.  He 
 had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections 
 -which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder 
 additive to his food.  He used to be very aggressive towards other cats 
 (something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for) 
 and he truly believes himself to be a dog.  He has no fear at ALL of people, 
 cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into his 
 crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!).  
 But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the 
 household: he has night terrors.
  
 Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm 
 not home  at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can 
 be allowed to sleep with us.  Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares 
 where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH) from a 
 dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of 
 furniture- hard enough to wake him up.  Then he sits all hunched up and 
 blinking for a few minutes.  If I go to him he immediately starts to purr and 
 rolls over for a belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen times.
  
 I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something.  
 All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may have 
 hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to be 3 
 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area.  She doesn't 
 think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell something 
 of the first year or two of his life.
  
 I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes.  
  
 As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat 
 and dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a chain 
 reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and 
 chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms down 
 (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!).  (Not to 
 mentionI've gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or 
 more of the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors.
  
 Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going?
  
 Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time?  (He's been an indoor only 
 cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting lessat 
 the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are 
 gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-)
  
 Thanks,
 Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby)
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-07 Thread Susan Hoffman
If the pheremones don't work then talk to your vet about antianxiety meds, 
either prozac or elavil, at least for awhile till he begins to get over 
whatever is in his past. (I had one cat on prozac for years.  It made all the 
difference in the world.)

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, Mari meko...@mycomhouston.com, 
 tlstick...@yahoo.com
 Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 8:42 AM
 Tamara,
 I'm forwarding this individually to Mari as I know she has
 experience with this.  She's on the list, but I think
 on digest and I want to make sure she sees this.
  Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito
 
 
 My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should
 impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases
 him, and making me smile. 
 - Anonymous
 
 
 
 
 
 From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:37:33 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in
 cat?
 
 Hello all,
  
 This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured
 with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the
 people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer
 for me.
  
 I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago.  Had him
 neutered and vetted.  He had/has many issues including
 being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think
 we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder
 additive to his food.  He used to be very aggressive
 towards other cats (something for which my other cat still
 hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes
 himself to be a dog.  He has no fear at ALL of people,
 cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and
 will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something
 even my DOG REFUSES to do!).  But..there is one major
 obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household:
 he has night terrors.
  
 Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own
 room whenever I'm not home  at night, but I have been
 trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep
 with us.  Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares
 where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3
 feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits
 something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard
 enough to wake him up.  Then he sits all hunched up and
 blinking for a few minutes.  If I go to him he
 immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a belly rub -
 only after head-butting me a few dozen times.
  
 I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful
 spasms or something.  All she could find were old
 injuries that looked like a car accident may have hit him in
 the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to
 be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder
 area.  She doesn't think they would be the cause of
 pain now...but both injuries tell something of the first
 year or two of his life.
  
 I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the
 episodes.  
  
 As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at
 night, while the cat and dog and I share a bedwhen he
 freaks out at night- it sets off a chain reaction of the
 other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and
 chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up
 and calms down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't
 complained yet!).  (Not to mentionI've gotten
 kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or more of
 the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors.
  
 Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's
 on-going?
  
 Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time? 
 (He's been an indoor only cat for 3 years nowand while
 the dreams do seem to be getting lessat the current
 rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they
 are gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-)
  
 Thanks,
 Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim
 (grey tabby)
 
 
       
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-07 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Wow, what a little survivor Mica is! 

Aside from the kitty Prozac, which sounds like a good idea, is there a way
that you could sleep with just Mica for a while? Maybe being with you would
calm his terrors a little, and if it's just you and him you won't have that
chain reaction. The goal, of course, being you can all sleep together
eventually, but taking baby steps. Or maybe this along with the tranks...

I've never had this happen with a cat, but this would be my first instinct.

Diane R.

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-07 Thread MaryChristine
i'm with the folks suggesting prozac/elavil--tho the other thing i'm
wondering about is whether it could be a seizure disorder. another inactive
member of this list has a CH (cerebellar hypoplasia) kitty who has seizures
in her sleep.

the other thing, tho with it happening in sleep isn't as likely, would be
some sort of hyperesthesia syndrome resulting from the early trauma: there's
a kitty who was set on fire when he was young, and his burns were never
treated, and he has to be on depomedrol, or he turns into a mainely-coonie
fiend if he is touched at all--it's almost as if the nerve pathways were
knocked way out of whack, and didn't get rewired correctly.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-07 Thread tamara stickler
ok... I suppose I will have to research the possiblity of seizures more 
closely.  thx.

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
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Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 2:39 PM


i'm with the folks suggesting prozac/elavil--tho the other thing i'm
wondering about is whether it could be a seizure disorder. another inactive
member of this list has a CH (cerebellar hypoplasia) kitty who has seizures
in her sleep.

the other thing, tho with it happening in sleep isn't as likely, would be
some sort of hyperesthesia syndrome resulting from the early trauma: there's
a kitty who was set on fire when he was young, and his burns were never
treated, and he has to be on depomedrol, or he turns into a mainely-coonie
fiend if he is touched at all--it's almost as if the nerve pathways were
knocked way out of whack, and didn't get rewired correctly.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-07 Thread Susan Hoffman
Seizures only when the cat is sleeping would seem unlikely.  I had an epileptic 
cat and her seizures were always when she was awake.

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 12:19 PM
 ok... I suppose I will have to
 research the possiblity of seizures more closely.  thx.
 
 --- On Mon, 12/7/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
 From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in
 cat?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 2:39 PM
 
 
 i'm with the folks suggesting prozac/elavil--tho the other
 thing i'm
 wondering about is whether it could be a seizure disorder.
 another inactive
 member of this list has a CH (cerebellar hypoplasia) kitty
 who has seizures
 in her sleep.
 
 the other thing, tho with it happening in sleep isn't as
 likely, would be
 some sort of hyperesthesia syndrome resulting from the
 early trauma: there's
 a kitty who was set on fire when he was young, and his
 burns were never
 treated, and he has to be on depomedrol, or he turns into a
 mainely-coonie
 fiend if he is touched at all--it's almost as if the nerve
 pathways were
 knocked way out of whack, and didn't get rewired
 correctly.
 
 MC
 
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 Maybe That'll Make The Difference
 
 MaryChristine
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 (www.purebredcats.org)
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R

2009-12-07 Thread tamara stickler
survivor - yes...Little - HA!  if ONLY! ;-)
 
Unfortunately, no, I can't arrange so he gets quality time at night.  The dog, 
also a rescue, suffers from separation anxietyif I were to lock him out of 
the room - he'd howl all night and pee on everything! (much as he does ALL DAY 
when I'm at work!) plus both Tobias-Rat (the dog)  Coebieo (the other cat) 
have IBDstressful situations, changes in routine triggers an 
attack.Micatullyvhim is my healthy one!
 
And lastly...when he boltshe does so blindly.  I've been scratched in the 
eyeball from one of his back claws as he fled across my face, slammed in the 
head by his head as he bolted from the couch (I was sitting in front of it on 
the floor).  I'd like not to go to bed having to wear a helmet and pads!
 
The good thing is, I suppose, that he doesn't seem to NEED me to get 
comfortable or to sleep or feel safe.  That has come from his independant 
nature to begin with and from the last three years of having his own room at 
night.  It's only been the last year and a half where I've let him into the 
rest of the condo ALL DAY when I'm home.  But his aggression with Coebeio (a 
much older and smaller - only 7-8 pounds compared to his 18lb. frame) is 
improvingalthough I can't wait for the day when he FINALLY STOPS being a 
pain in the arse with her!  The tully part of his name comes from the 
nerdy character played by Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters who used to annoy 
Sigorny Weaver's character...(and just like that character, Mica used to open 
doors constantly, only to lock himself on the wrong side!).  Much of the night 
those first few months was spent rescuing him from closets and cabinets that 
he had managed to get into only to have them close back
 on him locking him insidewhere of course he'd mew in that tiny cat voice 
of his CONTINUOUSLY like some kind of cat variation of Chinese water 
torture, until I came to free him!  I finally had to put child-proof locks on 
everything!
 
Thanks for the imput tho!
T


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Wow, what a little survivor Mica is! 
is there a way
that you could sleep with just Mica for a while? Maybe being with you would
calm his terrors a little, and if it's just you and him you won't have that
chain reaction. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-07 Thread tamara stickler
I know there is a sleeping disorder with people where their bodies fail to 
properly paralize them while they dream -which results in sleepwalking.
 
I wonder if this could be what is happening in Mica's case...??

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 3:33 PM


Seizures only when the cat is sleeping would seem unlikely.  I had an epileptic 
cat and her seizures were always when she was awake.




  
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R

2009-12-07 Thread Cougar Clan

I may get jeered at but.have you tried an animal communicator?
On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:47 PM, tamara stickler wrote:


survivor - yes...Little - HA!  if ONLY! ;-)

Unfortunately, no, I can't arrange so he gets quality time at  
night.  The dog, also a rescue, suffers from separation  
anxietyif I were to lock him out of the room - he'd howl all  
night and pee on everything! (much as he does ALL DAY when I'm at  
work!) plus both Tobias-Rat (the dog)  Coebieo (the other cat)  
have IBDstressful situations, changes in routine triggers an  
attack.Micatullyvhim is my healthy one!


And lastly...when he boltshe does so blindly.  I've been  
scratched in the eyeball from one of his back claws as he fled  
across my face, slammed in the head by his head as he bolted from  
the couch (I was sitting in front of it on the floor).  I'd like not  
to go to bed having to wear a helmet and pads!


The good thing is, I suppose, that he doesn't seem to NEED me to  
get comfortable or to sleep or feel safe.  That has come from his  
independant nature to begin with and from the last three years of  
having his own room at night.  It's only been the last year and a  
half where I've let him into the rest of the condo ALL DAY when I'm  
home.  But his aggression with Coebeio (a much older and smaller -  
only 7-8 pounds compared to his 18lb. frame) is  
improvingalthough I can't wait for the day when he FINALLY STOPS  
being a pain in the arse with her!  The tully part of his name  
comes from the nerdy character played by Rick Moranis in  
Ghostbusters who used to annoy Sigorny Weaver's character...(and  
just like that character, Mica used to open doors constantly, only  
to lock himself on the wrong side!).  Much of the night those first  
few months was spent rescuing him from closets and cabinets that  
he had managed to get into only to have them close back
on him locking him insidewhere of course he'd mew in that tiny  
cat voice of his CONTINUOUSLY like some kind of cat variation of  
Chinese water torture, until I came to free him!  I finally had to  
put child-proof locks on everything!


Thanks for the imput tho!
T


--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote:

From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com

Wow, what a little survivor Mica is!
is there a way
that you could sleep with just Mica for a while? Maybe being with  
you would
calm his terrors a little, and if it's just you and him you won't  
have that

chain reaction.
Diane R.





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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-07 Thread janine paton
Jeepers.  I'm so sorry for this cat!  I have a FIV+ named Whitey who'd been hit 
by a car a few winters ago.  Disappeared for a week, feeders thought he was 
dead.  Long story short, he now lives in my bedroom (only because he doesn't 
play nice with others) but oh boy, does he love us.  Broken jaw and paralysis 
on one side of his face.  Can not open his mouth more than a quarter of an 
inch.  He is physically a little akward, too.  For two years at least, he 
startled awake out of a sound sleep when hearing a loud car or truck.  NOT 
jumping as high as your kitty, and he doesn't have beebees in him, but now he 
is starting to relax more, and sleep through loud motor noises.  

There's a drug called cyproheptadine (maybe used for allergies?) we use 
sometimes to relax just a little, maybe at night would be a good time.   Also 
increases appetite, sort of useful for cancer patients.  Also, Bach flower 
rememdies come in more than rescue rememdy, although rescue rememdy might do 
it.If you go to a health food store, or online, you can pick out a few to 
use in his water that may fit his issues.   

Janine







From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Mari meko...@mycomhouston.com; 
tlstick...@yahoo.com
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 11:50:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

If the pheremones don't work then talk to your vet about antianxiety meds, 
either prozac or elavil, at least for awhile till he begins to get over 
whatever is in his past. (I had one cat on prozac for years.  It made all the 
difference in the world.)

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, Mari meko...@mycomhouston.com, 
 tlstick...@yahoo.com
 Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 8:42 AM
 Tamara,
 I'm forwarding this individually to Mari as I know she has
 experience with this.  She's on the list, but I think
 on digest and I want to make sure she sees this.
  Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito
 
 
 My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should
 impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases
 him, and making me smile. 
 - Anonymous
 
 
 
 
 
 From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:37:33 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in
 cat?
 
 Hello all,
  
 This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured
 with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the
 people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer
 for me.
  
 I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago.  Had him
 neutered and vetted.  He had/has many issues including
 being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think
 we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder
 additive to his food.  He used to be very aggressive
 towards other cats (something for which my other cat still
 hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes
 himself to be a dog.  He has no fear at ALL of people,
 cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and
 will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something
 even my DOG REFUSES to do!).  But..there is one major
 obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household:
 he has night terrors.
  
 Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own
 room whenever I'm not home  at night, but I have been
 trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep
 with us.  Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares
 where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3
 feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits
 something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard
 enough to wake him up.  Then he sits all hunched up and
 blinking for a few minutes.  If I go to him he
 immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a belly rub -
 only after head-butting me a few dozen times.
  
 I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful
 spasms or something.  All she could find were old
 injuries that looked like a car accident may have hit him in
 the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to
 be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder
 area.  She doesn't think they would be the cause of
 pain now...but both injuries tell something of the first
 year or two of his life.
  
 I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the
 episodes.  
  
 As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at
 night, while the cat and dog and I share a bedwhen he
 freaks out at night- it sets off a chain reaction of the
 other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and
 chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up
 and calms down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't
 complained yet!).  (Not to mentionI've gotten
 kicked in the eye

Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-07 Thread tamara stickler
Thanks Janine,
 
Tried the cypro...WOW what a MISTAKE!  Mica mewed CONSTANTLY while on it...-no 
exaggeration - with EVERY exhale he'd meow.  Luckily he has a very soft voice, 
but still I thought I was going to go BATTY!  The only time he shut up was when 
he slept...and he had the night terrors even then.  Plus he gained like 7 lbs 
over the course of three months.
 
I think that's the main reason I'm so worried about mood elevators with him.  
He was on cypro for his asthma.  Now I just give steriods whenever he has a bad 
bout and he has to deal with it otherwise.  I had a BIG fall-out with the one 
vet over taking him off cypro.  It was only when I let her keep him for 10 hrs. 
one day did she get it.
 
Tell Whitey he's not alone!  Poor guy.
 
thx!

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, janine paton patonjan...@sbcglobal.net wrote:


From: janine paton patonjan...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 5:11 PM


Jeepers.  I'm so sorry for this cat!  I have a FIV+ named Whitey who'd been hit 
by a car a few winters ago.  Disappeared for a week, feeders thought he was 
dead.  Long story short, he now lives in my bedroom (only because he doesn't 
play nice with others) but oh boy, does he love us.  Broken jaw and paralysis 
on one side of his face.  Can not open his mouth more than a quarter of an 
inch.  He is physically a little akward, too.  For two years at least, he 
startled awake out of a sound sleep when hearing a loud car or truck.  NOT 
jumping as high as your kitty, and he doesn't have beebees in him, but now he 
is starting to relax more, and sleep through loud motor noises.  

There's a drug called cyproheptadine (maybe used for allergies?) we use 
sometimes to relax just a little, maybe at night would be a good time.   Also 
increases appetite, sort of useful for cancer patients.  Also, Bach flower 
rememdies come in more than rescue rememdy, although rescue rememdy might do 
it.    If you go to a health food store, or online, you can pick out a few to 
use in his water that may fit his issues.   

Janine







From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Mari meko...@mycomhouston.com; 
tlstick...@yahoo.com
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 11:50:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

If the pheremones don't work then talk to your vet about antianxiety meds, 
either prozac or elavil, at least for awhile till he begins to get over 
whatever is in his past. (I had one cat on prozac for years.  It made all the 
difference in the world.)

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, Mari meko...@mycomhouston.com, 
 tlstick...@yahoo.com
 Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 8:42 AM
 Tamara,
 I'm forwarding this individually to Mari as I know she has
 experience with this.  She's on the list, but I think
 on digest and I want to make sure she sees this.
  Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito
 
 
 My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should
 impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases
 him, and making me smile. 
 - Anonymous
 
 
 
 
 
 From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:37:33 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in
 cat?
 
 Hello all,
  
 This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured
 with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the
 people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer
 for me.
  
 I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago.  Had him
 neutered and vetted.  He had/has many issues including
 being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think
 we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder
 additive to his food.  He used to be very aggressive
 towards other cats (something for which my other cat still
 hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes
 himself to be a dog.  He has no fear at ALL of people,
 cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and
 will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something
 even my DOG REFUSES to do!).  But..there is one major
 obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household:
 he has night terrors.
  
 Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own
 room whenever I'm not home  at night, but I have been
 trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep
 with us.  Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares
 where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3
 feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits
 something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard
 enough to wake him up.  Then he sits all hunched up and
 blinking for a few minutes.  If I go to him he

Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-07 Thread Chris
Don't know if it's the same thing-but my Little Boy has these episodes when
he's sound asleep where he's start twiching and bolts in the air usually
throwing himself off the bed or chair or whatever he's on.  He's sound
asleep when it happens  poor thing is all perplexed when he suddenly wakes
up on the floor or wherever he landed.  I took him to my vet  a neurologist
but nobody seems to be able to tell me what it is.  Could be mild
seizures-he's always been a bit clutzy  when I brought him in, my vet
thought he clutzyness might have been related to his mother maybe having had
distemper.  The signs were real weak so no special care needed.  Sometimes,
Little Boy scares me cause he really likes to get up high  I worry about
him hurting himself when he falls.

 

Christiane Biagi

 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

 

Hello all,

 

This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat
care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone
would have an answer for me.

 

I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago.  Had him neutered and vetted.  He
had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections
-which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder
additive to his food.  He used to be very aggressive towards other cats
(something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for)
and he truly believes himself to be a dog.  He has no fear at ALL of people,
cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into
his crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!).
But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the
household: he has night terrors.

 

Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm
not home  at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can
be allowed to sleep with us.  Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares
where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH) from a
dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of
furniture- hard enough to wake him up.  Then he sits all hunched up and
blinking for a few minutes.  If I go to him he immediately starts to purr
and rolls over for a belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen
times.

 

I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something.
All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may
have hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to
be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area.  She
doesn't think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell
something of the first year or two of his life.

 

I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes.  

 

As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat
and dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a
chain reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking
and chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms
down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!).  (Not to
mentionI've gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or
more of the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors.

 

Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going?

 

Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time?  (He's been an indoor only
cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting lessat
the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are
gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-)

 

Thanks,

Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby)

 

 

  

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R

2009-12-07 Thread Sharyl
Tamara, you've gotten a lot of advise.  I've had a lot of cats do strange 
things but nothing like Mica's night terrors.  If you tried the Feliway 
diffusers and it didn't help I'm not sure what else you can do.  A low dose of 
Prozac before bedtime might be the answer.
Sharyl


 On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:47 PM, tamara stickler wrote:
 
  survivor - yes...Little - HA!  if ONLY! ;-)
  
  Unfortunately, no, I can't arrange so he gets quality
 time at night.  The dog, also a rescue, suffers from
 separation anxietyif I were to lock him out of the room
 - he'd howl all night and pee on everything! (much as he
 does ALL DAY when I'm at work!) plus both Tobias-Rat
 (the dog)  Coebieo (the other cat) have
 IBDstressful situations, changes in routine triggers an
 attack.Micatullyvhim is my healthy one!
  
  And lastly...when he boltshe does so
 blindly.  I've been scratched in the eyeball from one
 of his back claws as he fled across my face, slammed in the
 head by his head as he bolted from the couch (I was sitting
 in front of it on the floor).  I'd like not to go to
 bed having to wear a helmet and pads!
  
  The good thing is, I suppose, that he doesn't seem to
 NEED me to get comfortable or to sleep or feel safe. 
 That has come from his independant nature to begin with and
 from the last three years of having his own room at
 night.  It's only been the last year and a half where
 I've let him into the rest of the condo ALL DAY when I'm
 home.  But his aggression with Coebeio (a much older
 and smaller - only 7-8 pounds compared to his 18lb. frame)
 is improvingalthough I can't wait for the day when he
 FINALLY STOPS being a pain in the arse with her!  The
 tully part of his name comes from the nerdy character
 played by Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters who used to annoy
 Sigorny Weaver's character...(and just like that character,
 Mica used to open doors constantly, only to lock himself on
 the wrong side!).  Much of the night those first few
 months was spent rescuing him from closets and cabinets
 that he had managed to get into only to have them close
 back
  on him locking him insidewhere of course he'd mew
 in that tiny cat voice of his CONTINUOUSLY like some kind of
 cat variation of Chinese water torture, until I came to free
 him!  I finally had to put child-proof locks on
 everything!
  
  Thanks for the imput tho!
  T
  
  
  --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
 wrote:
  
  From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
  
  Wow, what a little survivor Mica is!
  is there a way
  that you could sleep with just Mica for a while? Maybe
 being with you would
  calm his terrors a little, and if it's just you and
 him you won't have that
  chain reaction.
  Diane R.
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R

2009-12-07 Thread Susan Hoffman
I would lean more towards Elavil, I think.  But a lot depends on why the cat is 
doing this, whether it is physical or psychological.

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 3:36 PM
 Tamara, you've gotten a lot of
 advise.  I've had a lot of cats do strange things but
 nothing like Mica's night terrors.  If you tried the
 Feliway diffusers and it didn't help I'm not sure what else
 you can do.  A low dose of Prozac before bedtime might
 be the answer.
 Sharyl
 
 
  On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:47 PM, tamara stickler wrote:
  
   survivor - yes...Little - HA!  if ONLY! ;-)
   
   Unfortunately, no, I can't arrange so he gets
 quality
  time at night.  The dog, also a rescue, suffers from
  separation anxietyif I were to lock him out of the
 room
  - he'd howl all night and pee on everything! (much as
 he
  does ALL DAY when I'm at work!) plus both
 Tobias-Rat
  (the dog)  Coebieo (the other cat) have
  IBDstressful situations, changes in routine
 triggers an
  attack.Micatullyvhim is my healthy one!
   
   And lastly...when he boltshe does so
  blindly.  I've been scratched in the eyeball from
 one
  of his back claws as he fled across my face, slammed
 in the
  head by his head as he bolted from the couch (I was
 sitting
  in front of it on the floor).  I'd like not to go to
  bed having to wear a helmet and pads!
   
   The good thing is, I suppose, that he doesn't
 seem to
  NEED me to get comfortable or to sleep or feel
 safe. 
  That has come from his independant nature to begin
 with and
  from the last three years of having his own room at
  night.  It's only been the last year and a half
 where
  I've let him into the rest of the condo ALL DAY when
 I'm
  home.  But his aggression with Coebeio (a much older
  and smaller - only 7-8 pounds compared to his 18lb.
 frame)
  is improvingalthough I can't wait for the day when
 he
  FINALLY STOPS being a pain in the arse with her! 
 The
  tully part of his name comes from the nerdy
 character
  played by Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters who used to
 annoy
  Sigorny Weaver's character...(and just like that
 character,
  Mica used to open doors constantly, only to lock
 himself on
  the wrong side!).  Much of the night those first few
  months was spent rescuing him from closets and
 cabinets
  that he had managed to get into only to have them
 close
  back
   on him locking him insidewhere of course he'd
 mew
  in that tiny cat voice of his CONTINUOUSLY like some
 kind of
  cat variation of Chinese water torture, until I came
 to free
  him!  I finally had to put child-proof locks on
  everything!
   
   Thanks for the imput tho!
   T
   
   
   --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
  wrote:
   
   From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com
   
   Wow, what a little survivor Mica is!
   is there a way
   that you could sleep with just Mica for a while?
 Maybe
  being with you would
   calm his terrors a little, and if it's just you
 and
  him you won't have that
   chain reaction.
   Diane R.
   
   
   
   
   
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