Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
So sorry for the loss of Patches. I have the same thoughts about Amber as far as her dying from starvation. She was truly just a few days away from death I have no doubt. At least she has a chance and won't die out in the woods. Jannes From: Diane Rosenfeldt To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 6:34:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice Yikes. Perhaps this vet should recuse himself from *treating* cats? A vet is actually supposed to know stuff even though he isn't a "_ person." I'm glad you have other choices. When we took our Patches (the reason I am on this list, though he died a few years ago) in for testing (he had just showed up on our doorstep one summer night, demanding our attention, and terribly, terribly matted) our vet told us he was FeLV+, and in the next breath said, "These are your options..." Euthanasia was one of them, of course, but we were happy that she wasn't pushing it, and the other options included seeing how things went and fairly conservative treatment, and since we love animals but are not made of money, we eagerly did that. Things didn't go well, unfortunately, and he became symptomatic -- lymph nodes swollen, stopped eating -- and we let him go. He was such a sweet guy, it still makes me sad to think we didn't have time to really get to know him, and he never got a chance to leave the room we were caring for him in, which he really wanted to do. But we are happy that he came to us because if he had stayed on the street he would have had a much worse end. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice Actually it was a young (early twenties) vet who didn't even know what an IFA test was. He had to go "read up" about FeLV when I was there. He did tell me he was not a "cat person." He was the new kid on the block with the four other vets who are in the same office. Unreal!! I took one of my other cats to the clinic last Saturday for her yearly check-up/vaccines and thank God I saw the vet I like and have seen the most of during the last 8 years. He was sympathetic, but he was extremely concered about exposing my other cats. I do think he would put her down if it was up to him. However, he did not come out and actually say that. It was just the impression I got. I do think I will take Amber to see another vet who is recommened to me when I take her back for retesting. He has his own cat just roaming around in his office during the day. I bet he is a cat person! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
Yikes. Perhaps this vet should recuse himself from *treating* cats? A vet is actually supposed to know stuff even though he isn't a "_ person." I'm glad you have other choices. When we took our Patches (the reason I am on this list, though he died a few years ago) in for testing (he had just showed up on our doorstep one summer night, demanding our attention, and terribly, terribly matted) our vet told us he was FeLV+, and in the next breath said, "These are your options..." Euthanasia was one of them, of course, but we were happy that she wasn't pushing it, and the other options included seeing how things went and fairly conservative treatment, and since we love animals but are not made of money, we eagerly did that. Things didn't go well, unfortunately, and he became symptomatic -- lymph nodes swollen, stopped eating -- and we let him go. He was such a sweet guy, it still makes me sad to think we didn't have time to really get to know him, and he never got a chance to leave the room we were caring for him in, which he really wanted to do. But we are happy that he came to us because if he had stayed on the street he would have had a much worse end. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice Actually it was a young (early twenties) vet who didn't even know what an IFA test was. He had to go "read up" about FeLV when I was there. He did tell me he was not a "cat person." He was the new kid on the block with the four other vets who are in the same office. Unreal!! I took one of my other cats to the clinic last Saturday for her yearly check-up/vaccines and thank God I saw the vet I like and have seen the most of during the last 8 years. He was sympathetic, but he was extremely concered about exposing my other cats. I do think he would put her down if it was up to him. However, he did not come out and actually say that. It was just the impression I got. I do think I will take Amber to see another vet who is recommened to me when I take her back for retesting. He has his own cat just roaming around in his office during the day. I bet he is a cat person! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That's a good point about vets - some vets are not into cats so don't know much about them aNd dont keep up. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Mar 16, 2011, at 9:05 AM, Jannes Taylor wrote: > Actually it was a young (early twenties) vet who didn't even know what an IFA > test was. He had to go "read up" about FeLV when I was there. He did tell me > he > was not a "cat person." He was the new kid on the block with the four other > vets > who are in the same office. Unreal!! > I took one of my other cats to the clinic last Saturday for her yearly > check-up/vaccines and thank God I saw the vet I like and have seen the most > of > during the last 8 years. He was sympathetic, but he was extremely concered > about > exposing my other cats. I do think he would put her down if it was up to him. > However, he did not come out and actually say that. It was just the > impression I > got. > I do think I will take Amber to see another vet who is recommened to me when > I > take her back for retesting. He has his own cat just roaming around in his > office during the day. I bet he is a cat person! > Jannes > > > > > ________ > From: TANYA NOE > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:24:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice > > I agree with Diane, any vet who recommends euthanasia because a cat is FeLV, > and > for that reason only is not only ignorant but very uneducated in the most > recent > research out there. A lot of the younger vets tend to be a bit more up to > date > and more sympathetic to FeLV cats. > When we found out that our Maggie was positive (we had her snap tested before > we > got her but the clinic did a "batch test" where they took blood from all 4 > kittens, mixed it together and then pulled the 3 drops needed from the > mixture). > I was not aware of this or never would have allowed that to happen. Maggie's > FeLV was too diluted to show positive and her 3 siblings were neg. We did not > find out she was POS until a few months later when she became symptomatic and > we > retested again and also did an IFA. We decided to keep her which the vets > there > were very disapproving of. They believed that all FeLV cats should be > destroyed > so that we could eradicate the disease. While I agree with eradicating the > disease, my little Maggie isn't spreading her disease anywhere as my indoor > kitty. > > Our other kitty is vaccinated against FeLV and we do not keep them separated. > We > count on the vaccine and the natural immunities cats develop as they age to > keep > Sasha safe, and so far so good. We made the decision to mix after talking to > everyone on here and getting their advice first too. > Good luck with what ever you do. > Tanya > > --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: > >> From: Diane Rosenfeldt >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 7:31 PM >> Wow, Jannes. The vet advocating >> euthanization is a warning sign not to let >> him/her treat this particular cat. She is obviously not up >> to date on the >> latest research and you need all the knowledge you can get >> to maintain >> Amber's good health. You might consider calling around to >> different vets and >> see what their feeling is about FeLV care. If you know of >> some vets who >> treat shelter cats, they may be a good place to start >> because they will have >> encountered it before. >> >> Best of luck with Amber. I personally hope you choose to >> vaccinate the >> others and let her commingle, but that's me and not you. >> ;-) >> >> Diane R. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] >> On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor >> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:55 AM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice >> >> I want to thank everyone who responded about my post >> regarding Amber, my >> FeLV positive cat. >> I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the >> health of my other >> cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan >> to be cautious but >> do feel less stressed about it. >> I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is >> nothing like being >> able to get advice from folks who have experienced this >> situation. >> The vet leaned toward
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
Actually it was a young (early twenties) vet who didn't even know what an IFA test was. He had to go "read up" about FeLV when I was there. He did tell me he was not a "cat person." He was the new kid on the block with the four other vets who are in the same office. Unreal!! I took one of my other cats to the clinic last Saturday for her yearly check-up/vaccines and thank God I saw the vet I like and have seen the most of during the last 8 years. He was sympathetic, but he was extremely concered about exposing my other cats. I do think he would put her down if it was up to him. However, he did not come out and actually say that. It was just the impression I got. I do think I will take Amber to see another vet who is recommened to me when I take her back for retesting. He has his own cat just roaming around in his office during the day. I bet he is a cat person! Jannes From: TANYA NOE To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, March 16, 2011 8:24:56 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice I agree with Diane, any vet who recommends euthanasia because a cat is FeLV, and for that reason only is not only ignorant but very uneducated in the most recent research out there. A lot of the younger vets tend to be a bit more up to date and more sympathetic to FeLV cats. When we found out that our Maggie was positive (we had her snap tested before we got her but the clinic did a "batch test" where they took blood from all 4 kittens, mixed it together and then pulled the 3 drops needed from the mixture). I was not aware of this or never would have allowed that to happen. Maggie's FeLV was too diluted to show positive and her 3 siblings were neg. We did not find out she was POS until a few months later when she became symptomatic and we retested again and also did an IFA. We decided to keep her which the vets there were very disapproving of. They believed that all FeLV cats should be destroyed so that we could eradicate the disease. While I agree with eradicating the disease, my little Maggie isn't spreading her disease anywhere as my indoor kitty. Our other kitty is vaccinated against FeLV and we do not keep them separated. We count on the vaccine and the natural immunities cats develop as they age to keep Sasha safe, and so far so good. We made the decision to mix after talking to everyone on here and getting their advice first too. Good luck with what ever you do. Tanya --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: > From: Diane Rosenfeldt > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 7:31 PM > Wow, Jannes. The vet advocating > euthanization is a warning sign not to let > him/her treat this particular cat. She is obviously not up > to date on the > latest research and you need all the knowledge you can get > to maintain > Amber's good health. You might consider calling around to > different vets and > see what their feeling is about FeLV care. If you know of > some vets who > treat shelter cats, they may be a good place to start > because they will have > encountered it before. > > Best of luck with Amber. I personally hope you choose to > vaccinate the > others and let her commingle, but that's me and not you. > ;-) > > Diane R. > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:55 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice > > I want to thank everyone who responded about my post > regarding Amber, my > FeLV positive cat. > I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the > health of my other > cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan > to be cautious but > do feel less stressed about it. > I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is > nothing like being > able to get advice from folks who have experienced this > situation. > The vet leaned toward euthanization after her after her > test came back > positive. > I just could not euthanize a seemingly otherwise healthy > cat. I want to give > her a chance! I hope and pray that her next test will come > back negative. > > Whatever happens, I am glad I was there to save her > from starving to death. > She is getting high quality food now and lots of petting > every chance I get! > She has improved a lot in the last few weeks. It is sad how > she sits at the > top of the staircase and can't come upstairs. It is what it > is, I guess. At > least for now... > I would love to hear from more folks regarding t
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
I agree with Diane, any vet who recommends euthanasia because a cat is FeLV, and for that reason only is not only ignorant but very uneducated in the most recent research out there. A lot of the younger vets tend to be a bit more up to date and more sympathetic to FeLV cats. When we found out that our Maggie was positive (we had her snap tested before we got her but the clinic did a "batch test" where they took blood from all 4 kittens, mixed it together and then pulled the 3 drops needed from the mixture). I was not aware of this or never would have allowed that to happen. Maggie's FeLV was too diluted to show positive and her 3 siblings were neg. We did not find out she was POS until a few months later when she became symptomatic and we retested again and also did an IFA. We decided to keep her which the vets there were very disapproving of. They believed that all FeLV cats should be destroyed so that we could eradicate the disease. While I agree with eradicating the disease, my little Maggie isn't spreading her disease anywhere as my indoor kitty. Our other kitty is vaccinated against FeLV and we do not keep them separated. We count on the vaccine and the natural immunities cats develop as they age to keep Sasha safe, and so far so good. We made the decision to mix after talking to everyone on here and getting their advice first too. Good luck with what ever you do. Tanya --- On Tue, 3/15/11, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: > From: Diane Rosenfeldt > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 7:31 PM > Wow, Jannes. The vet advocating > euthanization is a warning sign not to let > him/her treat this particular cat. She is obviously not up > to date on the > latest research and you need all the knowledge you can get > to maintain > Amber's good health. You might consider calling around to > different vets and > see what their feeling is about FeLV care. If you know of > some vets who > treat shelter cats, they may be a good place to start > because they will have > encountered it before. > > Best of luck with Amber. I personally hope you choose to > vaccinate the > others and let her commingle, but that's me and not you. > ;-) > > Diane R. > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:55 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice > > I want to thank everyone who responded about my post > regarding Amber, my > FeLV positive cat. > I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the > health of my other > cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan > to be cautious but > do feel less stressed about it. > I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is > nothing like being > able to get advice from folks who have experienced this > situation. > The vet leaned toward euthanization after her after her > test came back > positive. > I just could not euthanize a seemingly otherwise healthy > cat. I want to give > her a chance! I hope and pray that her next test will come > back negative. > > Whatever happens, I am glad I was there to save her > from starving to death. > She is getting high quality food now and lots of petting > every chance I get! > She has improved a lot in the last few weeks. It is sad how > she sits at the > top of the staircase and can't come upstairs. It is what it > is, I guess. At > least for now... > I would love to hear from more folks regarding this > subject. > Thanks you all and God Bless!! > Jannes > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Wow, Jannes. The vet advocating euthanization is a warning sign not to let him/her treat this particular cat. She is obviously not up to date on the latest research and you need all the knowledge you can get to maintain Amber's good health. You might consider calling around to different vets and see what their feeling is about FeLV care. If you know of some vets who treat shelter cats, they may be a good place to start because they will have encountered it before. Best of luck with Amber. I personally hope you choose to vaccinate the others and let her commingle, but that's me and not you. ;-) Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 9:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice I want to thank everyone who responded about my post regarding Amber, my FeLV positive cat. I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the health of my other cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan to be cautious but do feel less stressed about it. I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is nothing like being able to get advice from folks who have experienced this situation. The vet leaned toward euthanization after her after her test came back positive. I just could not euthanize a seemingly otherwise healthy cat. I want to give her a chance! I hope and pray that her next test will come back negative. Whatever happens, I am glad I was there to save her from starving to death. She is getting high quality food now and lots of petting every chance I get! She has improved a lot in the last few weeks. It is sad how she sits at the top of the staircase and can't come upstairs. It is what it is, I guess. At least for now... I would love to hear from more folks regarding this subject. Thanks you all and God Bless!! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
Most of you have heard Dixie Louise Doodle Katt, JP's story. She came to me as a feral/throw-away. I liked her and was gong to bring her to the farm. I took her to be spayed and she tested positive. My vets' put all the options on the table and I took death off to the relief of everyone. With their care and the care of a couple of holistic vets in Louisville, she lived a very healthy and happy life for almost 3 years.she had EVERYTHING And gave me everything. On Mar 15, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Natalie wrote: Unfortunately, there are many vets with those views, even if the cat is the ONLY cat in a homewhy would anyone kill a perfectly healthy cat that happens to test positive for FeLV or FIV, and in NO way can even contribute to exposing another cat to it I have heard that from people again and again, and sadly, they listen to those vets and continue this myth about having to kill any cat that tests positive! I am so glad that there are people like you who don't believe everything a vet suggests as being gospel truth! This cat may be healthy forever, or it may not. There are no guarantees that our healthy cats will be healthy forever either, are there? Do the best you can under the circumstances! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice I want to thank everyone who responded about my post regarding Amber, my FeLV positive cat. I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the health of my other cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan to be cautious but do feel less stressed about it. I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is nothing like being able to get advice from folks who have experienced this situation. The vet leaned toward euthanization after her after her test came back positive. I just could not euthanize a seemingly otherwise healthy cat. I want to give her a chance! I hope and pray that her next test will come back negative. Whatever happens, I am glad I was there to save her from starving to death. She is getting high quality food now and lots of petting every chance I get! She has improved a lot in the last few weeks. It is sad how she sits at the top of the staircase and can't come upstairs. It is what it is, I guess. At least for now... I would love to hear from more folks regarding this subject. Thanks you all and God Bless!! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you, Natalie. I am so hoping her next test will be negative, but I will do the best I can regadless. Jannes From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 10:39:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice Unfortunately, there are many vets with those views, even if the cat is the ONLY cat in a homewhy would anyone kill a perfectly healthy cat that happens to test positive for FeLV or FIV, and in NO way can even contribute to exposing another cat to it I have heard that from people again and again, and sadly, they listen to those vets and continue this myth about having to kill any cat that tests positive! I am so glad that there are people like you who don't believe everything a vet suggests as being gospel truth! This cat may be healthy forever, or it may not. There are no guarantees that our healthy cats will be healthy forever either, are there? Do the best you can under the circumstances! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice I want to thank everyone who responded about my post regarding Amber, my FeLV positive cat. I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the health of my other cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan to be cautious but do feel less stressed about it. I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is nothing like being able to get advice from folks who have experienced this situation. The vet leaned toward euthanization after her after her test came back positive. I just could not euthanize a seemingly otherwise healthy cat. I want to give her a chance! I hope and pray that her next test will come back negative. Whatever happens, I am glad I was there to save her from starving to death. She is getting high quality food now and lots of petting every chance I get! She has improved a lot in the last few weeks. It is sad how she sits at the top of the staircase and can't come upstairs. It is what it is, I guess. At least for now... I would love to hear from more folks regarding this subject. Thanks you all and God Bless!! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice
Unfortunately, there are many vets with those views, even if the cat is the ONLY cat in a homewhy would anyone kill a perfectly healthy cat that happens to test positive for FeLV or FIV, and in NO way can even contribute to exposing another cat to it I have heard that from people again and again, and sadly, they listen to those vets and continue this myth about having to kill any cat that tests positive! I am so glad that there are people like you who don't believe everything a vet suggests as being gospel truth! This cat may be healthy forever, or it may not. There are no guarantees that our healthy cats will be healthy forever either, are there? Do the best you can under the circumstances! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank You for your Advice I want to thank everyone who responded about my post regarding Amber, my FeLV positive cat. I have been feeling a little guilty about risking the health of my other cats from some chance encounter with Amber. I still plan to be cautious but do feel less stressed about it. I have done a lot of research on the web, but there is nothing like being able to get advice from folks who have experienced this situation. The vet leaned toward euthanization after her after her test came back positive. I just could not euthanize a seemingly otherwise healthy cat. I want to give her a chance! I hope and pray that her next test will come back negative. Whatever happens, I am glad I was there to save her from starving to death. She is getting high quality food now and lots of petting every chance I get! She has improved a lot in the last few weeks. It is sad how she sits at the top of the staircase and can't come upstairs. It is what it is, I guess. At least for now... I would love to hear from more folks regarding this subject. Thanks you all and God Bless!! Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org