Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods and fluids
I used about 5 or 6 clothes pins, starting up fairly high on his neck/back of head (about an inch inch and a half or so behind his ears) to right above where I would give the fluids. He couldn't run his head far enough to reach back and nip me. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods-giving fluids
You can also give fluids subcutaneously . Basically you would use a syringe and go just under the skin and inject sterile water. You can get the water at any grocery store. I have used this method before. You can do it about every hour to two hours. I did this with not only one of my kittens and two adult cats, but also with a 1 1/2 week old puppy. It can be tiring. Also there is a formula that I use to help them along. One can of evaporated goats milk One cup of PLAIN yogart ( do not use lowfat or flavored) One egg yolk Two teaspoons of karo syrup Mix all together and and try putting it in a bowl for him. If he will not drink on his own then use a dropper or syringe to slowly give him some. My kitties seem to LOVE this formula, It is high in calories and will keep glucose levels up. Wendy catatonya wrote: > I didn't find how to give fluids on this list, but I'll keep looking > for new ideas. One site said hang the bag from the ceiling with a > hook. that worked well, but I couldn't tell how much I was giving. > lol. I just gave them as long as he would let me and it looked like > he had a nice 'bump'. > t > > */MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: > > i THINK it was on this list that i first saw the reference, and > i'm pretty sure it's on one of the big crf sites--hopefully > someone here can help. there's a page that shows how to "clip" a > cat in the same way that momcat's scruff them, to immobilize them, > and make it possible to hydrate them by yourself. > > earlier this year, winn feline foundation > (www.winnfelinehealth.org <http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/>) > actually did research on this technique, using a variety of > commonly found household clips, so that you do NOT have to go out > and buy the cat-specific one i can't find ANYTHING these days, > so hopefully someone else saves these things in a more logical > way. > > > > On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > His creat is 2.5. > > He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles > to get away. Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier? > > Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have > anyone here but me. > t > > */Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>/* wrote: > > Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with > a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally > needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the > canned food to increase his water intake. Set out lots of > bowls of water in various places to encourage him to > drink. Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. > > For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to > finish but I do not warm the fluids. Never did and mine > are fine with that. But each kitty is different as to > what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every > other day). > > In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. > Luckily I'm retired. Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and > Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4 > FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy > kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a > dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR > program for. > > Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll > say a prayer for both of them > Sharyl > > --- On *Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya /<[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>/* wrote: > > From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM > > Thank you so much Sharyl, > > I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it > helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I > should be giving fluids only once a week. how many > times a week do you think I should give th
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods and fluids
My tubing for the admin set is 72". Length shouldn't be a problem. What counts is the initial drop in the tubing. Mine drops down about 3' then curves back up to my lap. It is the initial drop that gets the fluid flowing. Also I massage the area around the needle. Seems to help with the flow ad Pequita likes the massage. Sharyl --- On Sun, 7/20/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods and fluids To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 12:29 PM I'm vegetarian and just HATE feeding beef. ugh.. I'll try more clothespins. lol. HOw long is your tubing? Mine is soo long. I'm going to ask for a shorter one. I think that would be help. Thank you so much for all your help. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not Belinda but FF Minced Beef and Sliced Beef are both low in phos. Mine preferred the Minced Beef. Also rotating flavors is a good idea. I have a selection of 6 flavors I use so they only get a repeat every 3 days. I didn't have to use the clothespins but have read where folks have used up to 6. Just depends on what your cats need. As far as giving the fluids, I hang the bag from a hanger from the stair railing. It is high enough for the fluids to flow but low enough so I can read the nos. on the bag. Pequita lays on my lap for her fluids. I've read where some have set up their fluids on a pulley system so they can raise and lower the bag. Many hang the bag from a kitchen cabinet or shower curtain rod. Just a matter of finding a method that works for you and your cat. Sharyl --- On Sun, 7/20/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods and fluids To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 10:52 AM How many clothespins did you use? I tried 2. Also you did say you were feeding him fancy feast? What kind? tonya Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes I did that with Fred he would turn around and bite me, so we did the clothes pins. He didn't get all mellow and happy BUT he couldn't reach me to bite me so after using the clothes pins for a week or so he just gave up and decided to give in. Now I just go pick him up and carry him to the couch, we do the fluids and the second I shut the roller off stopping the fluids he is gone, but he is good while we are doing them, just lays there. Every once in a while he'll still make a half hearted attempt to get up before we are done but all I do is put my hand on his chest and tell him not yet and he lays back down. Of course Fred has been getting daily fluids for almost 2 years now!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods and fluids
I'm vegetarian and just HATE feeding beef. ugh.. I'll try more clothespins. lol. HOw long is your tubing? Mine is soo long. I'm going to ask for a shorter one. I think that would be help. Thank you so much for all your help. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Not Belinda but FF Minced Beef and Sliced Beef are both low in phos. Mine preferred the Minced Beef. Also rotating flavors is a good idea. I have a selection of 6 flavors I use so they only get a repeat every 3 days. I didn't have to use the clothespins but have read where folks have used up to 6. Just depends on what your cats need. As far as giving the fluids, I hang the bag from a hanger from the stair railing. It is high enough for the fluids to flow but low enough so I can read the nos. on the bag. Pequita lays on my lap for her fluids. I've read where some have set up their fluids on a pulley system so they can raise and lower the bag. Many hang the bag from a kitchen cabinet or shower curtain rod. Just a matter of finding a method that works for you and your cat. Sharyl --- On Sun, 7/20/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods and fluids To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 10:52 AM How many clothespins did you use? I tried 2. Also you did say you were feeding him fancy feast? What kind? tonya Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes I did that with Fred he would turn around and bite me, so we did the clothes pins. He didn't get all mellow and happy BUT he couldn't reach me to bite me so after using the clothes pins for a week or so he just gave up and decided to give in. Now I just go pick him up and carry him to the couch, we do the fluids and the second I shut the roller off stopping the fluids he is gone, but he is good while we are doing them, just lays there. Every once in a while he'll still make a half hearted attempt to get up before we are done but all I do is put my hand on his chest and tell him not yet and he lays back down. Of course Fred has been getting daily fluids for almost 2 years now!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
Hey, I ordered the binder from the link you sent me. But the newest update they have is 2005. Belinda feeds fancy feast. I just wonder what the phosphorous is on that. I'm going to check when I buy groceries. I have tried all the kidney canned prescription foods. Science diet has come out with a new formula that is the ONLY one my cats like. In fact they LOVE it. The problem is that they are selling out of it and my vet cannot get it on a regular basis. I think Hill's is trying to get rid of the old 'hard as a rock' stuff first. So I've got to use something in the meantime. Luckily Bob prefers wet food, so I'm just going to buy him whatever low phosphorous I can find and use the binder until we get in new kd canned. Shaft (who has no teeth) prefers dry food. Go figure. And I have kd dry, so if he comes up crf too when we get the hyper-t under control he will have been on the kd already. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods and fluids
Not Belinda but FF Minced Beef and Sliced Beef are both low in phos. Mine preferred the Minced Beef. Also rotating flavors is a good idea. I have a selection of 6 flavors I use so they only get a repeat every 3 days. I didn't have to use the clothespins but have read where folks have used up to 6. Just depends on what your cats need. As far as giving the fluids, I hang the bag from a hanger from the stair railing. It is high enough for the fluids to flow but low enough so I can read the nos. on the bag. Pequita lays on my lap for her fluids. I've read where some have set up their fluids on a pulley system so they can raise and lower the bag. Many hang the bag from a kitchen cabinet or shower curtain rod. Just a matter of finding a method that works for you and your cat. Sharyl --- On Sun, 7/20/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods and fluids To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 10:52 AM How many clothespins did you use? I tried 2. Also you did say you were feeding him fancy feast? What kind? tonya Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes I did that with Fred he would turn around and bite me, so we did the clothes pins. He didn't get all mellow and happy BUT he couldn't reach me to bite me so after using the clothes pins for a week or so he just gave up and decided to give in. Now I just go pick him up and carry him to the couch, we do the fluids and the second I shut the roller off stopping the fluids he is gone, but he is good while we are doing them, just lays there. Every once in a while he'll still make a half hearted attempt to get up before we are done but all I do is put my hand on his chest and tell him not yet and he lays back down. Of course Fred has been getting daily fluids for almost 2 years now!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods and fluids
How many clothespins did you use? I tried 2. Also you did say you were feeding him fancy feast? What kind? tonya Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes I did that with Fred he would turn around and bite me, so we did the clothes pins. He didn't get all mellow and happy BUT he couldn't reach me to bite me so after using the clothes pins for a week or so he just gave up and decided to give in. Now I just go pick him up and carry him to the couch, we do the fluids and the second I shut the roller off stopping the fluids he is gone, but he is good while we are doing them, just lays there. Every once in a while he'll still make a half hearted attempt to get up before we are done but all I do is put my hand on his chest and tell him not yet and he lays back down. Of course Fred has been getting daily fluids for almost 2 years now!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
I think Bob is too fat to use the clothespins. In fact I think that is why the vet recommended the cosequin. He asked me if he had problems getting around due to his weight and age The clothespins just kind of twisted inside out as he wiggled around. Bob topped 20 pounds at his highest weight. He's over 15 or 16 now. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: MC, I think you mean Tanya's web site where they use clothes pins. Here is the link. http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm#clothes_peg_trick Usually folks just have to use the clothes pins for the 1st few times. Here is another link for giving Sub Q fluids that was my bible when I 1st started. He explains everything in detail and has some great pictures. Sophia has now crossed the Rainbow Bridge. Sophia Gets Her Subcutaneous (Sub Q) Fluids http://www.tinyurl.com/63max Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 4:25 PM i THINK it was on this list that i first saw the reference, and i'm pretty sure it's on one of the big crf sites--hopefully someone here can help. there's a page that shows how to "clip" a cat in the same way that momcat's scruff them, to immobilize them, and make it possible to hydrate them by yourself. earlier this year, winn feline foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org) actually did research on this technique, using a variety of commonly found household clips, so that you do NOT have to go out and buy the cat-specific one i can't find ANYTHING these days, so hopefully someone else saves these things in a more logical way. On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: His creat is 2.5. He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles to get away. Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier? Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have anyone here but me. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake. Set out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink. Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm the fluids. Never did and mine are fine with that. But each kitty is different as to what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every other day). In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. Luckily I'm retired. Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for. Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll say a prayer for both of them Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do.. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode'
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods-giving fluids
I didn't find how to give fluids on this list, but I'll keep looking for new ideas. One site said hang the bag from the ceiling with a hook. that worked well, but I couldn't tell how much I was giving. lol. I just gave them as long as he would let me and it looked like he had a nice 'bump'. t MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i THINK it was on this list that i first saw the reference, and i'm pretty sure it's on one of the big crf sites--hopefully someone here can help. there's a page that shows how to "clip" a cat in the same way that momcat's scruff them, to immobilize them, and make it possible to hydrate them by yourself. earlier this year, winn feline foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org) actually did research on this technique, using a variety of commonly found household clips, so that you do NOT have to go out and buy the cat-specific one i can't find ANYTHING these days, so hopefully someone else saves these things in a more logical way. On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: His creat is 2.5. He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles to get away. Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier? Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have anyone here but me. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake. Set out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink. Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm the fluids. Never did and mine are fine with that. But each kitty is different as to what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every other day). In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. Luckily I'm retired. Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for. Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll say a prayer for both of them Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do.. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
Thanks MC, I'll check that site. I tried the clothespins to no avail. He's so fat *which is a good thing in this situation I guess* they just popped off. lol. t MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i THINK it was on this list that i first saw the reference, and i'm pretty sure it's on one of the big crf sites--hopefully someone here can help. there's a page that shows how to "clip" a cat in the same way that momcat's scruff them, to immobilize them, and make it possible to hydrate them by yourself. earlier this year, winn feline foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org) actually did research on this technique, using a variety of commonly found household clips, so that you do NOT have to go out and buy the cat-specific one i can't find ANYTHING these days, so hopefully someone else saves these things in a more logical way. On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: His creat is 2.5. He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles to get away. Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier? Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have anyone here but me. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake. Set out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink. Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm the fluids. Never did and mine are fine with that. But each kitty is different as to what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every other day). In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. Luckily I'm retired. Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for. Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll say a prayer for both of them Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do.. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL
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Yes I did that with Fred he would turn around and bite me, so we did the clothes pins. He didn't get all mellow and happy BUT he couldn't reach me to bite me so after using the clothes pins for a week or so he just gave up and decided to give in. Now I just go pick him up and carry him to the couch, we do the fluids and the second I shut the roller off stopping the fluids he is gone, but he is good while we are doing them, just lays there. Every once in a while he'll still make a half hearted attempt to get up before we are done but all I do is put my hand on his chest and tell him not yet and he lays back down. Of course Fred has been getting daily fluids for almost 2 years now!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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that's the one! thanks i had seen that quite awhile ago, and then forgotten about it, because i don't have any cats who fight me for fluids--but i got a huge kick out of their being a scientific research paper done on it, talking about which nerves were involved, whether the cat really seemed to mind it, and which type of clip worked the best On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > MC, I think you mean Tanya's web site where they use clothes pins. Here is > the link. > > http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm#clothes_peg_trick > > Usually folks just have to use the clothes pins for the 1st few times. > > > > Here is another link for giving Sub Q fluids that was my bible when I 1st > started. He explains everything in detail and has some great pictures. > Sophia has now crossed the Rainbow Bridge. > > *Sophia Gets Her Subcutaneous (Sub Q) > Fluids*<http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/4GOCSC_B3Ism0gLqPzrsf_kkO7p7g3FDsWjq8ebMn6u5w80feOlTQ2dZ2g6lRtoA8yFufP4fiIo37FymFOD5Xw/Tiny%20URLs%20that%20work%21/Sophia%20Gets%20Her%20Subcutaneous%20%28Sub%20Q%29%20%20Fluids> > * * > http://www.tinyurl.com/63max > > Sharyl > > --- On *Sat, 7/19/08, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 4:25 PM > > > i THINK it was on this list that i first saw the reference, and i'm > pretty sure it's on one of the big crf sites--hopefully someone here can > help. there's a page that shows how to "clip" a cat in the same way that > momcat's scruff them, to immobilize them, and make it possible to hydrate > them by yourself. > > earlier this year, winn feline foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org) > actually did research on this technique, using a variety of commonly found > household clips, so that you do NOT have to go out and buy the cat-specific > one i can't find ANYTHING these days, so hopefully someone else saves > these things in a more logical way. > > > > On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> His creat is 2.5. >> >> He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles to get >> away. Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier? >> >> Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have anyone here >> but me. >> t >> >> *Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: >> >> Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea >> value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate >> hydration. Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake. Set >> out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink. >> Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. >> >> For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not >> warm the fluids. Never did and mine are fine with that. But each kitty is >> different as to what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every other >> day). >> >> In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. Luckily I'm retired. >> Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my >> bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 >> healthy kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a dumpster >> colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for. >> >> Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll say a prayer for >> both of them >> Sharyl >> >> --- On *Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: >> >> From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM >> >> Thank you so much Sharyl, >> >> I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and >> Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. >> how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not >> doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick >> mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I >> can only do what I can do.. >> t >> >> *Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: >> >> Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos >> canned food they will eat. Generally the target is
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MC, I think you mean Tanya's web site where they use clothes pins. Here is the link. http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm#clothes_peg_trick Usually folks just have to use the clothes pins for the 1st few times. Here is another link for giving Sub Q fluids that was my bible when I 1st started. He explains everything in detail and has some great pictures. Sophia has now crossed the Rainbow Bridge. Sophia Gets Her Subcutaneous (Sub Q) Fluids http://www.tinyurl.com/63max Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 4:25 PM i THINK it was on this list that i first saw the reference, and i'm pretty sure it's on one of the big crf sites--hopefully someone here can help. there's a page that shows how to "clip" a cat in the same way that momcat's scruff them, to immobilize them, and make it possible to hydrate them by yourself. earlier this year, winn feline foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org) actually did research on this technique, using a variety of commonly found household clips, so that you do NOT have to go out and buy the cat-specific one i can't find ANYTHING these days, so hopefully someone else saves these things in a more logical way. On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: His creat is 2.5. He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles to get away. Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier? Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have anyone here but me. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake. Set out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink. Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm the fluids. Never did and mine are fine with that. But each kitty is different as to what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every other day). In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. Luckily I'm retired. Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for. Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll say a prayer for both of them Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do.. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating
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i THINK it was on this list that i first saw the reference, and i'm pretty sure it's on one of the big crf sites--hopefully someone here can help. there's a page that shows how to "clip" a cat in the same way that momcat's scruff them, to immobilize them, and make it possible to hydrate them by yourself. earlier this year, winn feline foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org) actually did research on this technique, using a variety of commonly found household clips, so that you do NOT have to go out and buy the cat-specific one i can't find ANYTHING these days, so hopefully someone else saves these things in a more logical way. On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > His creat is 2.5. > > He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles to get away. > Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier? > > Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have anyone here > but me. > t > > *Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea value > in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate > hydration. Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake. Set > out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink. > Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. > > For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not > warm the fluids. Never did and mine are fine with that. But each kitty is > different as to what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every other > day). > > In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. Luckily I'm retired. > Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my > bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 > healthy kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a dumpster > colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for. > > Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll say a prayer for > both of them > Sharyl > > --- On *Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM > > Thank you so much Sharyl, > > I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and > Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. > how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not > doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick > mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I > can only do what I can do.. > t > > *Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos > canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry > matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. > http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm > > You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat > any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can > add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very > effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By > adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs > from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your > cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is > already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. > *About Phosphorus > Binders*<http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/YPOBSKUAe1vSPaTzsC-nOdsOnf1_BdpafMc7lF7n0MekqT8MJ1znNQJYUtw2iWwm5igm5xzkJUzGvwA7SJkR6g/Tiny%20URLs%20that%20work%21/About%20Phosphorus%20Binders> > * * > http://tinyurl.com/37nye > Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately > most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most > will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. > You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. > > Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. > www.felineCRF.org <http://www.felinecrf.org/> > > The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ > > Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is > critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. > There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. > http:
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Tonya, with a Crea level of 2.5 most kitties can drink enough to maintain adequate hydration so I wouldn't stress out about giving him fluids. Just add a little water to his canned food and put lots of bowls/glasses of water around for him to drink from. I give fluids solo also. Pequita will lay in my lap for the fluids. Some put their kitty in the bathroom sink on a warm towel. And some use the bottom half of the carrier. Just a matter of finding out what will work for the two of you. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 1:27 PM His creat is 2.5. He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles to get away. Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier? Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have anyone here but me. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake. Set out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink. Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm the fluids. Never did and mine are fine with that. But each kitty is different as to what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every other day). In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. Luckily I'm retired. Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for. Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll say a prayer for both of them Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do.. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya__
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And thank you for the prayers. I just wish I were retired as well! lol. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake. Set out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink. Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm the fluids. Never did and mine are fine with that. But each kitty is different as to what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every other day). In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. Luckily I'm retired. Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for. Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll say a prayer for both of them Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do.. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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His creat is 2.5. He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles to get away. Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier? Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have anyone here but me. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake. Set out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink. Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm the fluids. Never did and mine are fine with that. But each kitty is different as to what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every other day). In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. Luckily I'm retired. Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for. Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll say a prayer for both of them Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do.. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listi
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake. Set out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink. Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm the fluids. Never did and mine are fine with that. But each kitty is different as to what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every other day). In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. Luckily I'm retired. Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for. Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll say a prayer for both of them Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do.. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do.. t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
My cat will eat this new kd the best (it is a wetter creamier formula). The problem is that they cannot keep it in stock. Hill's keeps selling out of it! The vet's office and I are both furious with them. My cats won't eat any of the other vet. formulas they have (canned). They'll eat anything dry. I'll look up the phosphorous binders. thank you! t Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
thank you! Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
