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I-R, in my experience, is way way way more effective than Interferon in getting rid of colds. If that is what Satch has, and he just can't kick it, I would very much recommend I-R over Interferon. I have tried both multiple times. One of my cats, Ginger, did get temporary side effects from I-R, and they were quite scary. Basically her fever went up a lot for about a half hour or so-- up to 106 I think-- and she got chills. This happened both times I gave it to her. But when the fever came down a half hour later she was much better than before, and a cold that was keeping her from eating and had not responded to antibiotics went away completely after two I-R shots 3 days apart. I used I-R with another cat, Patches, who did not have any side effects. Others on the list have used it successfully with no side effects as well, and the shelter where my cats came from uses it all the time and none of the cats have had the side effects. I think they are rare. At any rate, they are very temporary. I did not like them, but I was very glad I gave Ginger the I-R because she got so much better right after the second dose and nothing else was working. I think the fever showed that the I-R really did stimulate her immune system to kick in. Something else to think about-- I gave Ginger (and Patches) 1 ml each time. The recommended dose is actually 1/2 to 1 ml, which I did not realize at the time (was going by the recommended dose in the article on the www.felineleukemia.org web page) and probably should have given her 1/2 ml at least the first time to see if she had any side effects. I would start with 1/2 ml not 1 ml. Hope this helps, Michelle In a message dated 9/19/2006 12:26:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi guys, I tried to look up archived ImmunoRegulin info, but I didn't turn up anything - I know that it's discussed constantly, which confused me. Maybe I'm spelling it wrong? Anyway, I'm taking the kitten in for her check up tonight - she is still doing great. I'm going to see about getting her on Interferon. Satch is still coughing, dang it. I was thinking about requesting either ImmunoRegulin or Interferon to try and get control on it. He's fine otherwise, no temp, no lethargy, no nothing, just coughs sometimes. Between the two, which would you recommend? I did some online searching and found some side effects listed for ImmunoRegulin, have any of the rest of you experienced these with your cats? And this site says that ImmunoRegulin is given as a shot, so I'd need to take Satch in for them. If Interferon and ImmunoRegulin are equals, I'd rather not have to put him through shots. How many do your cats normally get before the course is complete? http://www.felineleukemia.org/ireginfo.html Thank you!Leslie
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Thank you so much, Michelle. I printed out the articles from this website (I hadn't realized that I was posting from our own resources before!) for my vet and she's doing some research on her own before getting back to me. I will forward your response to her as well. I'm taking Satch in for a chest x-ray tomorrow to try and get a better idea of what his cough is all about. Thanks again! Leslie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ImmunoRegulin I-R, in my experience, is way way way more effective than Interferon ingetting rid of colds.If that is what Satch has, and he just can't kickit, Iwould very much recommend I-R over Interferon. I have tried both multipletimes. One of my cats, Ginger, did get temporary side effects from I-R, and theywere quite scary. Basically her fever went up a lot for about a half hour orso-- up to 106 I think-- and she got chills. This happened both times I gave it to her. But when the fever came down a half hour later she was much betterthanbefore, and a cold that was keeping her from eating and had not respondedtoantibiotics went away completely after two I-R shots 3 days apart.I used I-R with another cat, Patches, who did not have any side effects. Others onthelist have used it successfully with no side effects as well, and theshelterwhere my cats came from uses it all the time and none of the cats have had theside effects. I think they are rare. At any rate, they are verytemporary. I did not like them, but I was very glad I gave Ginger the I-R becauseshe gotso much better right after the second dose and nothing else was working. I thinkthe fever showed that the I-R really did stimulate her immunesystem to kick in.Something else to think about-- I gave Ginger (and Patches) 1ml eachtime.The recommended dose is actually 1/2 to 1 ml, which I did not realize at the time (was going by the recommended dose in the article on the_www.felineleukemia.org_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org)web page) andprobably should have given her 1/2 ml at least the first time to see if she had any side effects. I would start with 1/2 ml not 1 ml.Hope this helps,Michelle
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Hideyo, Has Naomi been checked for pancreatitis, when Bailey had it and we didn't know he stopped eating, was anemic, got fevers off and on,was very lethargic EVEN after we got his anemia under control?? I think there is a specific test they can do now to check for it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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I may have missed this but is there any diagnosis yet? What does the vet think is going on?Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Does immunoregulin work to bring PCV on cats who is nonregenenrative anemia?
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One vet thinks its might be FIP buy another one does not think so.. but cant explain whats going on From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Immunoregulin I may have missed this but is there any diagnosis yet? What does the vet think is going on? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does immunoregulin work to bring PCV on cats who is nonregenenrative anemia?
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Title: Message Hideyo, here'sthe package I made up from FeLV list info last year, which I sent to "Ken" for Max, anda few others. See articles at end. I was about to try IR on Flavia but I was too late. Her PCV was very low. Good luck. hugs, Kerry Here's the name tel # of the supplier (Revival Animal Health in Iowa) who fedexed it to 2 clinics for me overnight in July. (Total per 1 package inc shipping was $50---relatively inexpensive,) Both the vets I used/found were willing to try it even tho they had never used it before. I had to help one of them figure out the protocol using the info you'll see here. While I haven't yet had time to organise all the following into one coherent report--it's a number of emails rolled into one--I think it does contain some very background info including 3 articles.. IR INFO: Revival's tel no is 800 786 4751. (Revival is the supplier I used.) While I sadly did not order the Immuno regulin in time to be able to use it, the Revival people were good to deal with and the IR arrived at both vet clinics that I had it sent directly to when it was supposed to (ie overnighted by Fedex). I had never ordered it before and neither vet had ever used it but they were both very positive about doing so and liaised with me about the protocol/how much to use---it comes with directions in any case (although I haven't seen those because it's at the clinics). At least I now have it on hand should Mickey (or the NJ FeLV kitty I will be getting soon) need it. Here's also a copy of the relevant excerpts of what I emailed to Dr Dodin who was going to be administering the IR Dear Dr Dodin Here are the 3 articles that give background on Immunoregulin for FeLV cats. (It is given by IV.) I placed an order with Revival Animal Health this morning for 5ml of ImmunoregulinEqstim, and it will be shipped today, overnighted to Abell, marked for your attention, so should be there tomorrow (Wednesday). It will come in a "Polar" box, and will need refrigeration when it arrives. (They said a cat of 8lb is administered between 0.25 and 0.5 ml each time.) There appear to be 2 possible protocols--4 times in first 2 weeks, then once a week till stabilized, then monthly recommended thereafter for maintenance; OR once a week. Please let me know what you think is best for Flavia once you've had a chance to consider. THE ARTICLES: http://www.felineleukemia.org/ireginfo.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/opinion.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/hope.html This archived site is also worth looking at--an email from a web list member, Kyle, who had researched and used IR. http://www.mail-archive.com/felvtalk@felineleukemia.org/msg01946.html. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:05 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Immunoregulin Does immunoregulin work to bring PCV on cats who is nonregenenrative anemia? IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Tell me again -- ALL the symptoms, how long, what tests have been done, what treatments attempted? Naomi is approximately 4 months old? How much does she weigh? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:One vet thinks its might be FIP buy another one does not think so.. but cant explain whats going on From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: ImmunoregulinI may have missed this but is there any diagnosis yet? What does the vet think is going on?Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does immunoregulin work to bring PCV on cats who is nonregenenrative anemia?
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Anemia (non regenerative) PCV 18.4 Corona virus positive 1:400 positive All organs are fine her WBC a bit high.. Her globulin is a bit higher than normal.. and her albumin is a bit lower than usual.. her a/g ratio was 0.3 The only sign she showed was eye --- pupils are dilated.. and irregular pupil shape.. does not grow (does not eat..) she has a high fever one time (but so did other kittens at that time..) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Immunoregulin Tell me again -- ALL the symptoms, how long, what tests have been done, what treatments attempted? Naomi is approximately 4 months old? How much does she weigh? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One vet thinks its might be FIP buy another one does not think so.. but cant explain whats going on From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Immunoregulin I may have missed this but is there any diagnosis yet? What does the vet think is going on? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does immunoregulin work to bring PCV on cats who is nonregenenrative anemia?
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Susan, I have to also mention that most of my cats are corona virus positive - some are higher (1:1400 or greater) than others but they are all healthy. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Immunoregulin Anemia (non regenerative) PCV 18.4 Corona virus positive 1:400 positive All organs are fine her WBC a bit high.. Her globulin is a bit higher than normal.. and her albumin is a bit lower than usual.. her a/g ratio was 0.3 The only sign she showed was eye --- pupils are dilated.. and irregular pupil shape.. does not grow (does not eat..) she has a high fever one time (but so did other kittens at that time..) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Immunoregulin Tell me again -- ALL the symptoms, how long, what tests have been done, what treatments attempted? Naomi is approximately 4 months old? How much does she weigh? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One vet thinks its might be FIP buy another one does not think so.. but cant explain whats going on From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Immunoregulin I may have missed this but is there any diagnosis yet? What does the vet think is going on? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does immunoregulin work to bring PCV on cats who is nonregenenrative anemia?
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How much does she weigh? Is she emaciated, bony backbone? How long has this been going on? Has she been spayed or vaccinated? FeLV status? What meds have been given in the past?Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Anemia (non regenerative) PCV 18.4 Corona virus positive 1:400 positive All organs are fine her WBC a bit high..Her globulin is a bit higher than normal.. and her albumin is a bit lower than usual.. her a/g ratio was 0.3The only sign she showed was eye --- pupils are dilated.. and irregular pupil shape.. does not grow (does not eat..) she has a high fever one time (but so did other kittens at that time..) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Immunoregulin Tell me again -- ALL the symptoms, how long, what tests have been done, what treatments attempted? Naomi is approximately 4 months old? How much does she weigh?Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One vet thinks its might be FIP buy another one does not think so.. but cant explain whats going on From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: ImmunoregulinI may have missed this but is there any diagnosis yet? What does the vet think is going on?Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does immunoregulin work to bring PCV on cats who is nonregenenrative anemia?
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She only weigh a little less than 2 lb (1lb 15oxz) she is not too bony, I have been syringe feeding her so she actually gained a bit weight recently.. she is negative on felk or FIV no vaccinations or no spayed.. she was very healthy when I first got her and gradually she changed her behavior.. now she is so pale.. and am so hoping for way to increase her PCV --- If its FIP i guess immunorgulain wont help? As FIP attacks their immune system and immunoregulin is actually immune stimuli is it right? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Immunoregulin How much does she weigh? Is she emaciated, bony backbone? How long has this been going on? Has she been spayed or vaccinated? FeLV status? What meds have been given in the past? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anemia (non regenerative) PCV 18.4 Corona virus positive 1:400 positive All organs are fine her WBC a bit high.. Her globulin is a bit higher than normal.. and her albumin is a bit lower than usual.. her a/g ratio was 0.3 The only sign she showed was eye --- pupils are dilated.. and irregular pupil shape.. does not grow (does not eat..) she has a high fever one time (but so did other kittens at that time..) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Immunoregulin Tell me again -- ALL the symptoms, how long, what tests have been done, what treatments attempted? Naomi is approximately 4 months old? How much does she weigh? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One vet thinks its might be FIP buy another one does not think so.. but cant explain whats going on From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Immunoregulin I may have missed this but is there any diagnosis yet? What does the vet think is going on? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does immunoregulin work to bring PCV on cats who is nonregenenrative anemia?
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I've dealt with FIP before. I assume my own cats are corona positive too. But that's no reason to jump to the conclusion that a cat has FIP. Dry FIP is notoriously hard to diagnose. And you don't want to assume FIP and thus fail to treat a treatable condition.Give me as much history as possible, per my earlier email.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Susan, I have to also mention that most of my cats are corona virus positive - some are higher (1:1400 or greater) than others but they are all healthy.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: ImmunoregulinAnemia (non regenerative) PCV 18.4 Corona virus positive 1:400 positive All organs are fine her WBC a bit high..Her globulin is a bit higher than normal.. and her albumin is a bit lower than usual.. her a/g ratio was 0.3The only sign she showed was eye --- pupils are dilated.. and irregular pupil shape.. does not grow (does not eat..) she has a high fever one time (but so did other kittens at that time..) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Immunoregulin Tell me again -- ALL the symptoms, how long, what tests have been done, what treatments attempted? Naomi is approximately 4 months old? How much does she weigh?Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One vet thinks its might be FIP buy another one does not think so.. but cant explain whats going on From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: ImmunoregulinI may have missed this but is there any diagnosis yet? What does the vet think is going on?Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does immunoregulin work to bring PCV on cats who is nonregenenrative anemia?
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If it is FIP you would want to have her on prednisone.What are you syringe-feeding her? I have had very good success with a cocktail of feline A/D, Pedialyte, Transfer Factor feline formula, and amoxicillin. What treatments have already been tried, what medications given? And how long have you had her?Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:She only weigh a little less than 2 lb (1lb 15oxz) she is not too bony, I have been syringe feeding her so she actually gained a bit weight recently.. she is negative on felk or FIV no vaccinations or no spayed.. she was very healthy when I first got her and gradually she changed her behavior.. now she is so pale.. and am so hoping for way to increase her PCV ---If its FIP i guess immunorgulain wont help? As FIP attacks their immune system and immunoregulin is actually immune stimuli is it right?From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:42 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: ImmunoregulinHow much does she weigh? Is she emaciated, bony backbone? How long has this been going on? Has she been spayed or vaccinated? FeLV status? What meds have been given in the past?Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anemia (non regenerative) PCV 18.4Corona virus positive 1:400 positive All organs are fine her WBC a bit high..Her globulin is a bit higher than normal.. and her albumin is a bit lower than usual.. her a/g ratio was 0.3The only sign she showed was eye --- pupils are dilated.. and irregular pupil shape.. does not grow (does not eat..) she has a high fever one time (but so did other kittens at that time..)From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Immunoregulin Tell me again -- ALL the symptoms, how long, what tests have been done, what treatments attempted? Naomi is approximately 4 months old? How much does she weigh? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:One vet thinks its might be FIP buy another one does not think so.. but cant explain whats going on From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: ImmunoregulinI may have missed this but is there any diagnosis yet? What does the vet think is going on?Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does immunoregulin work to bring PCV on cats who is nonregenenrative anemia?
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I have had her probably for the past 12 weeks or so she is on prednisone (got injection of predisolone (sp?) this morning) I feed her A/D and liver shake (she hates it) and baby food with transfer factor plus and doxcycline now She cant seem to see well now she is just weak from anemia --- do you think epogen wont help her? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Immunoregulin If it is FIP you would want to have her on prednisone. What are you syringe-feeding her? I have had very good success with a cocktail of feline A/D, Pedialyte, Transfer Factor feline formula, and amoxicillin. What treatments have already been tried, what medications given? And how long have you had her? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She only weigh a little less than 2 lb (1lb 15oxz) she is not too bony, I have been syringe feeding her so she actually gained a bit weight recently.. she is negative on felk or FIV no vaccinations or no spayed.. she was very healthy when I first got her and gradually she changed her behavior.. now she is so pale.. and am so hoping for way to increase her PCV --- If its FIP i guess immunorgulain wont help? As FIP attacks their immune system and immunoregulin is actually immune stimuli is it right? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Immunoregulin How much does she weigh? Is she emaciated, bony backbone? How long has this been going on? Has she been spayed or vaccinated? FeLV status? What meds have been given in the past? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anemia (non regenerative) PCV 18.4 Corona virus positive 1:400 positive All organs are fine her WBC a bit high.. Her globulin is a bit higher than normal.. and her albumin is a bit lower than usual.. her a/g ratio was 0.3 The only sign she showed was eye --- pupils are dilated.. and irregular pupil shape.. does not grow (does not eat..) she has a high fever one time (but so did other kittens at that time..) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Immunoregulin Tell me again -- ALL the symptoms, how long, what tests have been done, what treatments attempted? Naomi is approximately 4 months old? How much does she weigh? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One vet thinks its might be FIP buy another one does not think so.. but cant explain whats going on From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Immunoregulin I may have missed this but is there any diagnosis yet? What does the vet think is going on? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does immunoregulin work to bring PCV on cats who is nonregenenrative anemia?
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Just looking at the bloow work, I wouldnt not think that she has FIP at all.. as most of my other cats have blood work which may resemble FIP more just that,, there is no explanation of some of her symptoms. Some neurogical symptoms in eyes.. and dont know what to explain --- any idea? What else could I try on her if there is anything I would do you think I should try transfusion --- she just hates being contrained.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Immunoregulin I've dealt with FIP before. I assume my own cats are corona positive too. But that's no reason to jump to the conclusion that a cat has FIP. Dry FIP is notoriously hard to diagnose. And you don't want to assume FIP and thus fail to treat a treatable condition. Give me as much history as possible, per my earlier email. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, I have to also mention that most of my cats are corona virus positive - some are higher (1:1400 or greater) than others but they are all healthy. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Immunoregulin Anemia (non regenerative) PCV 18.4 Corona virus positive 1:400 positive All organs are fine her WBC a bit high.. Her globulin is a bit higher than normal.. and her albumin is a bit lower than usual.. her a/g ratio was 0.3 The only sign she showed was eye --- pupils are dilated.. and irregular pupil shape.. does not grow (does not eat..) she has a high fever one time (but so did other kittens at that time..) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Immunoregulin Tell me again -- ALL the symptoms, how long, what tests have been done, what treatments attempted? Naomi is approximately 4 months old? How much does she weigh? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One vet thinks its might be FIP buy another one does not think so.. but cant explain whats going on From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Immunoregulin I may have missed this but is there any diagnosis yet? What does the vet think is going on? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does immunoregulin work to bring PCV on cats who is nonregenenrative anemia?
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Pretty much what I already said --- feline A/D, Pedialyte, amoxicillin, and transfer Factor feline formula. I'd mix it up and try to syringe feed about 10 ccs every few hours. If I really thought it was FIP -- and from your description I am not so sure -- I would do 5 mg of pred daily too.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Just looking at the bloow work, I wouldnt not think that she has FIP at all.. as most of my other cats have blood work which may resemble FIP more just that,, there is no explanation of some of her symptoms. Some neurogical symptoms in eyes.. and dont know what to explain --- any idea? What else could I try on her if there is anything I would do you think I should try transfusion --- she just hates being contrained..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:49 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Immunoregulin I've dealt with FIP before. I assume my own cats are corona positive too. But that's no reason to jump to the conclusion that a cat has FIP. Dry FIP is notoriously hard to diagnose. And you don't want to assume FIP and thus fail to treat a treatable condition.Give me as much history as possible, per my earlier email.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan, I have to also mention that most of my cats are corona virus positive - some are higher (1:1400 or greater) than others but they are all healthy.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo YamamotoSent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: ImmunoregulinAnemia (non regenerative) PCV 18.4Corona virus positive 1:400 positive All organs are fine her WBC a bit high..Her globulin is a bit higher than normal.. and her albumin is a bit lower than usual.. her a/g ratio was 0.3The only sign she showed was eye --- pupils are dilated.. and irregular pupil shape.. does not grow (does not eat..) she has a high fever one time (but so did other kittens at that time..) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:30 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Immunoregulin Tell me again -- ALL the symptoms, how long, what tests have been done, what treatments attempted? Naomi is approximately 4 months old? How much does she weigh? Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:One vet thinks its might be FIP buy another one does not think so.. but cant explain whats going on From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan HoffmanSent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: ImmunoregulinI may have missed this but is there any diagnosis yet? What does the vet think is going on?Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does immunoregulin work to bring PCV on cats who is nonregenenrative anemia?
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dexamethasone can also help neurological problems if they are caused by inflammation or lymphoma in the brain or spine. Michelle
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I talked to the vet on Saturday. Smokey was getting an injection of Winstrol every 2 weeks. We are now going to try 1 a month. The vet said we might consider stopping the Equistim at some point in the near future. His weight is now up to 7lbs.8oz. and he acts like a SuperCat now. I guess that is due to the Winstrol. I'm like you I don't know either but I don't want to change anything to drastically right now because I will be gone for about 4 days the middle of June. My husband will be taking care of all the furbabies. I sure don't want him to have to deal with a sick kitty while I am gone. Cindy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Cindy, It doesn't make much sense to me to continue with IR indefinitely. The way I understand it, it's a bacteria that is introduced to help the immune response wage an attack. The heightened immune response to the IR also takes care of whatever problem they were having in the first place. It doesn't seem reasonable to keep the immune system fighting when it isn't necessary, it's not like building muscles, (or is it?). Oh, there's so much I don't know!! Nina cindy reasoner wrote: I am so glad that Chelsea is doing better. I would like to know the course of treatment your vet has chosen for immuno-regulin too. Smokey is on immuno-regulin but the vet hasn't said how long he will continue to get the injections. To be honest I thought he would continue to get 2 injections per week for the rest of his life. I need to ask his vet about it. I hope Chelsea's bloodwork comes back much improved. Cindy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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It's about $35, I think, for a bottle, which is at least 5 or 6 doses, I think, from revival. Michelle In a message dated 5/13/2006 12:38:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Nina, I'm paying $10 a dose for IR from my vet Do you remember where you got yours and what it cost? I friend of mine wants to start some of her felv+ kitties on IR and is fairly certain that she can get it from one of the vets that her rescue group works with, but I'd like to know where else we might be able to get it. Thanks, Deanne
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Hi Nina, I'm paying $10 a dose for IR from my vet Do you remember where you got yours and what it cost? I friend of mine wants to start some of her felv+ kitties on IR and is fairly certain that she can get it from one of the vets that her rescue group works with, but I'd like to know where else we might be able to get it. Thanks, Deanne From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Immunoregulin for Chelsea Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 22:34:01 -0700 Thanks Deanne, I'm archiving the info and sent a forward to Sally. She lost her sweet baby Chrissy this afternoon, but the other kitty in trouble seems to be improving. I sent her the IR I had in my fridge and I'll let you know what happens if she decides to try it. I'm hoping that the success that Cindy had with administering it subq is not a fluke and that it will work for other kitties that stress out at the vet's office. Maybe that would work for your less-than-cooperative guys when/if the need arises. Nina ACALA PET ISSUES wrote: Chelsea received 1/2 ml I-V injections of immunoregulin aprox every 4 days for about 3 1/2 weeks for a total of 6 doses. We're now cutting back to once a week injections for another 3 weeks, at which time we'll do blood work to determine how her anemia is doing. If she's in the normal range, we'll probably continue with once a month immunoregulin injections for a few more months. If Chelsea is still anemia, we'll stay on once a week immunoregulin for a while longer. Though she was diagnosed with severe, non to poorly regenerative anemia, she's clearly been making red blood cells which I don't believe would have happened without the IR treatments. Really as anemic as Chelsea was, I was doubtful that she would respond to the treatment at all but she seems to be doing very well and is certainly enjoying life. We were lucky, Chelsea is a good patient and is very sweet by nature. It isn't easy to give I-V injections to a cat due to their small veins and it certainly isn't particularly easy on the cat either. I have several other felv+ rescue kitties, a couple of which will not be good candidates for IR treatment when they become symptomatic due to their less-than-cooperative personalities. We'll continue to give Chelsea other immune supportive supplements in addition to Immunoregulin and will hope for her continual improvement. Thanks for all your help, Deanne
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How wonderful that Chelsea is doing better!! What is the course of treatment your vet has used for the immunoregulin? I have seen different ones. How far apart and what dosage?Am getting ready to start one of my girls on that - my vet said .2cc per day for 4 days, then .2cc per week for 4 weeks and then .2cc every four months.ACALA PET ISSUES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to thank everyone for the advise given last month regarding 12 month-old felv+ Chelsea who was suffering from severe anemia. She began responding to treatment fairly quickly and had noticeably improved within the first 2 weeks. Chelsea has now received 6 injections of immunoregulin and has regained her normal energy level and has pink gums again. I took your advise to heart and put her on Droxy and folic acid in addition to the Pet Tinic, Feline Immune Support and Interferon that she had been receiving. She's scheduled for 3 more injections of Immunoregulin to complete the recommended course of treatment. When she gets her last injection, I'll get blood work done again to determine her current hematocrit level. You may remember that it was extremely low - 9.6% when she last had blood drawn on April 15th.I don't know if Chelsea's turn around will be permanent, but she has had a very good month and I'm hopeful that she'll have many more to come.Thanks again, Deanne
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Deanne, Thank you for posting about your success with Chelsea. I'm so pleased she's doing better!! I'd like to know the specifics of your protocol/dosage too. Is she getting the IR subq, or IV? A friend from the list that no longer posts (I'm sure most of you remember Sally from San Jose) is having problems of unknown origin with a couple of neg cats and I've been telling her about IR. Any info you could post would be greatly appreciated. Congratulations on Chelsea feeling better! Nina Susan Loesch wrote: How wonderful that Chelsea is doing better!! What is the course of treatment your vet has used for the immunoregulin? I have seen different ones. How far apart and what dosage? Am getting ready to start one of my girls on that - my vet said .2cc per day for 4 days, then .2cc per week for 4 weeks and then .2cc every four months. ACALA PET ISSUES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to thank everyone for the advise given last month regarding 12 month-old felv+ Chelsea who was suffering from severe anemia. She began responding to treatment fairly quickly and had noticeably improved within the first 2 weeks. Chelsea has now received 6 injections of immunoregulin and has regained her normal energy level and has pink gums again. I took your advise to heart and put her on Droxy and folic acid in addition to the Pet Tinic, Feline Immune Support and Interferon that she had been receiving. She's scheduled for 3 more injections of Immunoregulin to complete the recommended course of treatment. When she gets her last injection, I'll get blood work done again to determine her current hematocrit level. You may remember that it was extremely low - 9.6% when she last had blood drawn on April 15th. I don't know if Chelsea's turn around will be permanent, but she has had a very good month and I'm hopeful that she'll have many more to come. Thanks again, Deanne
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I am so glad that Chelsea is doing better. I would like to know the course of treatment your vet has chosen for immuno-regulin too. Smokey is on immuno-regulin but the vet hasn't said how long he will continue to get the injections. To be honest I thought he would continue to get 2 injections per week for the rest of his life. I need to ask his vet about it. I hope Chelsea's bloodwork comes back much improved. Cindy --- Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How wonderful that Chelsea is doing better!! What is the course of treatment your vet has used for the immunoregulin? I have seen different ones. How far apart and what dosage? Am getting ready to start one of my girls on that - my vet said .2cc per day for 4 days, then .2cc per week for 4 weeks and then .2cc every four months. ACALA PET ISSUES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to thank everyone for the advise given last month regarding 12 month-old felv+ Chelsea who was suffering from severe anemia. She began responding to treatment fairly quickly and had noticeably improved within the first 2 weeks. Chelsea has now received 6 injections of immunoregulin and has regained her normal energy level and has pink gums again. I took your advise to heart and put her on Droxy and folic acid in addition to the Pet Tinic, Feline Immune Support and Interferon that she had been receiving. She's scheduled for 3 more injections of Immunoregulin to complete the recommended course of treatment. When she gets her last injection, I'll get blood work done again to determine her current hematocrit level. You may remember that it was extremely low - 9.6% when she last had blood drawn on April 15th. I don't know if Chelsea's turn around will be permanent, but she has had a very good month and I'm hopeful that she'll have many more to come. Thanks again, Deanne __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Deanne, Congratulations on Chelsea's improvement!!! How exciting! I hope she is relishing feeling better again. Bless you for doing all you can to help heal her. She knows how much she is loved. Please keep us posted on her progress and I'm going to write down her specific treatment and add it to the kitty care manual. :) Wendy --- ACALA PET ISSUES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wanted to thank everyone for the advise given last month regarding 12 month-old felv+ Chelsea who was suffering from severe anemia. She began responding to treatment fairly quickly and had noticeably improved within the first 2 weeks. Chelsea has now received 6 injections of immunoregulin and has regained her normal energy level and has pink gums again. I took your advise to heart and put her on Droxy and folic acid in addition to the Pet Tinic, Feline Immune Support and Interferon that she had been receiving. She's scheduled for 3 more injections of Immunoregulin to complete the recommended course of treatment. When she gets her last injection, I'll get blood work done again to determine her current hematocrit level. You may remember that it was extremely low - 9.6% when she last had blood drawn on April 15th. I don't know if Chelsea's turn around will be permanent, but she has had a very good month and I'm hopeful that she'll have many more to come. Thanks again, Deanne __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Hi Cindy, It doesn't make much sense to me to continue with IR indefinitely. The way I understand it, it's a bacteria that is introduced to help the immune response wage an attack. The heightened immune response to the IR also takes care of whatever problem they were having in the first place. It doesn't seem reasonable to keep the immune system fighting when it isn't necessary, it's not like building muscles, (or is it?). Oh, there's so much I don't know!! Nina cindy reasoner wrote: I am so glad that Chelsea is doing better. I would like to know the course of treatment your vet has chosen for immuno-regulin too. Smokey is on immuno-regulin but the vet hasn't said how long he will continue to get the injections. To be honest I thought he would continue to get 2 injections per week for the rest of his life. I need to ask his vet about it. I hope Chelsea's bloodwork comes back much improved. Cindy
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Chelsea received 1/2 ml I-V injections of immunoregulin aprox every 4 days for about 3 1/2 weeks for a total of 6 doses. We're now cutting back to once a week injections for another 3 weeks, at which time we'll do blood work to determine how her anemia is doing. If she's in the normal range, we'll probably continue with once a month immunoregulin injections for a few more months. If Chelsea is still anemia, we'll stay on once a week immunoregulin for a while longer. Though she was diagnosed with severe, non to poorly regenerative anemia, she's clearly been making red blood cells which I don't believe would have happened without the IR treatments. Really as anemic as Chelsea was, I was doubtful that she would respond to the treatment at all but she seems to be doing very well and is certainly enjoying life. We were lucky, Chelsea is a good patient and is very sweet by nature. It isn't easy to give I-V injections to a cat due to their small veins and it certainly isn't particularly easy on the cat either. I have several other felv+ rescue kitties, a couple of which will not be good candidates for IR treatment when they become symptomatic due to their less-than-cooperative personalities. We'll continue to give Chelsea other immune supportive supplements in addition to Immunoregulin and will hope for her continual improvement. Thanks for all your help, Deanne From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Immunoregulin for Chelsea Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 13:21:33 -0700 Deanne, Thank you for posting about your success with Chelsea. I'm so pleased she's doing better!! I'd like to know the specifics of your protocol/dosage too. Is she getting the IR subq, or IV? A friend from the list that no longer posts (I'm sure most of you remember Sally from San Jose) is having problems of unknown origin with a couple of neg cats and I've been telling her about IR. Any info you could post would be greatly appreciated. Congratulations on Chelsea feeling better! Nina Susan Loesch wrote: How wonderful that Chelsea is doing better!! What is the course of treatment your vet has used for the immunoregulin? I have seen different ones. How far apart and what dosage? Am getting ready to start one of my girls on that - my vet said .2cc per day for 4 days, then .2cc per week for 4 weeks and then .2cc every four months. */ACALA PET ISSUES [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: I wanted to thank everyone for the advise given last month regarding 12 month-old felv+ Chelsea who was suffering from severe anemia. She began responding to treatment fairly quickly and had noticeably improved within the first 2 weeks. Chelsea has now received 6 injections of immunoregulin and has regained her normal energy level and has pink gums again. I took your advise to heart and put her on Droxy and folic acid in addition to the Pet Tinic, Feline Immune Support and Interferon that she had been receiving. She's scheduled for 3 more injections of Immunoregulin to complete the recommended course of treatment. When she gets her last injection, I'll get blood work done again to determine her current hematocrit level. You may remember that it was extremely low - 9.6% when she last had blood drawn on April 15th. I don't know if Chelsea's turn around will be permanent, but she has had a very good month and I'm hopeful that she'll have many more to come. Thanks again, Deanne
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Thanks Deanne, I'm archiving the info and sent a forward to Sally. She lost her sweet baby Chrissy this afternoon, but the other kitty in trouble seems to be improving. I sent her the IR I had in my fridge and I'll let you know what happens if she decides to try it. I'm hoping that the success that Cindy had with administering it subq is not a fluke and that it will work for other kitties that stress out at the vet's office. Maybe that would work for your less-than-cooperative guys when/if the need arises. Nina ACALA PET ISSUES wrote: Chelsea received 1/2 ml I-V injections of immunoregulin aprox every 4 days for about 3 1/2 weeks for a total of 6 doses. We're now cutting back to once a week injections for another 3 weeks, at which time we'll do blood work to determine how her anemia is doing. If she's in the normal range, we'll probably continue with once a month immunoregulin injections for a few more months. If Chelsea is still anemia, we'll stay on once a week immunoregulin for a while longer. Though she was diagnosed with severe, non to poorly regenerative anemia, she's clearly been making red blood cells which I don't believe would have happened without the IR treatments. Really as anemic as Chelsea was, I was doubtful that she would respond to the treatment at all but she seems to be doing very well and is certainly enjoying life. We were lucky, Chelsea is a good patient and is very sweet by nature. It isn't easy to give I-V injections to a cat due to their small veins and it certainly isn't particularly easy on the cat either. I have several other felv+ rescue kitties, a couple of which will not be good candidates for IR treatment when they become symptomatic due to their less-than-cooperative personalities. We'll continue to give Chelsea other immune supportive supplements in addition to Immunoregulin and will hope for her continual improvement. Thanks for all your help, Deanne
Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
I haven't been able to check my mail lately so this is a late reply. The vets haven't said anything about how long they plan to keep Smokey on the Winstrol or the Equistim. They did mention we might try to start giving the Winstrol injections every 3 weeks instead of every 2 weeks. Smokey's blood work wasn't that bad. I know the first vet said he was anemic but this new vet said his anemia wasn't that bad. Does that make sense? Smokey's only symptoms of being felv+ was his fever and the equistim is working for that. He isn't on any other medicine except for Pet Tinic. He continues to gain weight not alot but he is gaining. He seems to be gaining 2 oz. every 2 weeks. He is up to 6lbs 8oz. When I was taking him to the old vet he weighed around 5lbs 6oz. The new vets seem happy with his results on the equistim. One of the new vets told me the 1st time I took Smokey to her that all you can do is treat him when he gets sick and try to get him through that until the next episode. Smokey is the first kitty I have had that is felv+ so I am still learning about this but does that make sense? Cindy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cindy, That's wonderful news about Smokey! How long does the vet intend to keep him on Winstrol? I know there are people that treat with equistim, (Immuno Regulin), as a preventative, but because it is a bacteria used to stimulate the immune response, I would think it wouldn't be something that you would want to keep Smokey on indefinitely either. Please tell us more about the protocol you and your vet have chosen for Smokey. Thanks, Nina cindy reasoner wrote: Hi, My Smokey has been on equistim for about 2 months now. He had been tested for felv when I first got him and it was negative but after about a month he started getting fevers. After alot of medications to get the fever down only to have it go back up again the vet decided to check for felv again. This time it was positive. This vet didn't seem to be the best at handling felv+ kitties so I changed vets. The new vet started him on the equistim. The first week I believe he got an injection for 4 or 5 days and now he gets 2 injections a week. He gets them subq. The vet lets me give them to him at home. He also goes to the vet every 2 weeks to get an injection of Winstrol. He has been doing great. He hasn't had a fever since we started him on the equistim. He is gaining weight and has started playing now. He has a great appetite. I hope this helps. Cindy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Hi Deanne, I had my kitty Cricket on ImmunoRegulin only for about a week or two, but lost him to anemia in November. I think I gave it to him too late. Is Chelsea anemic? If so, you should also consider Epogen. Other members here have more experience with either of these than I do. Good luck with Chelsea and keep us posted. :) Wendy --- ACALA PET ISSUES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Any advise would be appreciated greatly. One of my 11 month old felv+ cats - Chelsea - who has been on a course of clavamox until a couple of days ago for a slight fever and lethargy has just developed very pale gums. They weren't pale 2 weeks ago when she last saw the vet. I know that pale gums are indicative of anemia. I'm trying to convince a vet to try Immunoregulin. Has anyone had much success with this therapy? Chelsea already gets interferon orally. Thanks, Deanne __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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With her count at 9.6 it is a good idea to get a cross matched blood transfusion, if you decide to do epogen I would get started right away, it can take up to three weeks to work. Also I must again say I would be giving the doxy even though she tested negative for hemobartonella, many times cats will test negative again and again even thought they have it, and as I said the doxy won't hurt her but if she does have hemo will save her life. My vet is currently treating a cat that isn't responding to the epogen and she has had several transfusions and only did better after getting an iron shot. Vitamin B complex and folic acid are something I would start also, especially vitamin B12. I send prayers for Chelsea, what does your vet think is causing the anemia? We had a bone marrow asperiate done to diagnose what was causing Bailey's anemia, it is pre-leukemic Myloid Dysplasia. There are many things that can cause anemia, and they all require different treatments. Did your vet mention if the luekemia is non-regenerative? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Chelsea got her first ImmunoRegulin shot yesterday. She also had blood drawn, after which she collapsed but later revived. She is still eating but is very weak. Below are the results of her bloodwork, it doesn't look good at all at this point. I'm giving her pet tinic, oral interferon and a product called Feline Immune System Support from Standard Process. The bloodwork showed no Hemobart, should I still ask for Doxycycline? My vet really isn't comfortable with Epogen, is there anything that I can tell him to change his mind? From: Online Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Marshfield Laboratory Results Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:31:56 -0500 --- Name:CHRISTMAN, FELINE CHELSEA (DEANNE) ID #: 3181189CA Species: FELINE Accn#: 82653812 Age: 12 months ApproximateDOB: 04/15/2005 Approximate Patient Location: SLENNGender: Female Veterinarian: RICHARD SLENN Breed: Domestic Short Hair FLAG - TEST - RESULTS -- UNITS --- REF RANGE -- Hemogram-CleVet (CLVCLT) Collection: 04/15/06 13:00 *L Red Blood Cell Count 1.41x10^6/uL (5.80 - 11.00) *L Hemoglobin2.8g/dL (8.6 - 16.0) *Result verified by repeat analysis. BLM 04/15/06 22:50 *L Hematocrit9.6% (28.0 - 47.0) *Result verified by repeat analysis. BLM 04/15/06 22:50 H Mean Corpuscular Volume 68.0fL(37.7 - 50.0) H Mean Corpuscular Hemoglob19.7pg(12.3 - 17.2) L Mean Corpuscular Hgb Conc29.0g/dL (31.1 - 36.0) Red Cell Distribution Wid19.6% (17.0 - 24.0) Platelet Count *x10^3/uL (160 - 660) * PLT estimate from smear appears to be 100,000 - 175,000 /uL. White Blood Cell Count5.6x10^3/uL (3.7 - 20.5) Seg. Neutrophil Absolute 1.96x10^3/uL (1.30 - 15.70) Banded Neutrophil Absolut0.00x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.30) Lymphocyte Absolute #3.36x10^3/uL (1.00 - 7.90) Act Lymphocyte Absolute #0.00x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.10) Monocyte Absolute # 0.17x10^3/uL (0.00 - 1.00) Eosinophil Absolute #0.11x10^3/uL (0.10 - 2.00) Basophil Absolute # 0.00x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.10) Other Absolute # 0.00x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) Blast Absolute # 0.00x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) Promyelocyte Absolute # 0.00x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) Myelocyte Absolute # 0.00x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) Metamyelocyte Absolute # 0.00x10^3/uL (0.00 - 0.00) *Pathologist review. Result to follow in 1-2 days. 04/15/06 22:47 FINAL Report Marshfield Laboratories 1000 N. Oak Avenue, Marshfield WI 54449 --- Name:CHRISTMAN, FELINE CHELSEA (DEANNE) ID #: 3181189CA Species: FELINE Accn#: 82653812 Age: 12 months ApproximateDOB: 04/15/2005 Approximate Patient Location: SLENNGender: Female --- FLAG - TEST - RESULTS -- UNITS --- REF RANGE -- Differential-CleVet (CLVDIF) Collection: 04/15/06 13:00 Segmented Neutrophils 35% Lymphocytes60% Monocytes 3% Eosinophils 2% Polychromatophilia 1+ *H Nucleated Red Blood Cells 6/100WBC (0 - 0) No Mycoplasma haemofelis (formerly Hemobartonella felis) seen. LJM 04/15/06 23:30 *RBC agglutination may falsely decrease RBC number and increase MCV and MCH. RBC appear agglutinated. From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea? Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:00:06 -0700 First thing is to determine what is causing the anemia, giving doxy even when hemobart isn't found is a good idea, hemo is VERY hard to detect and the doxy will almost always take care of it and won't hurt Chelsea if she doesn't have hemo but will save her life if she does. Blood transfusions, and epogen depending onwhat is causing the anemia can really help. Also vitamin B complex and folic acid are needed to build blood. Prednisolone can help if it is similar to what Bailey has
Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Hi. With a hematocrit of 9.6, if you want the chance to treat her I think you need to get her a transfusion. That value is very low, and if it goes lower she will not make it. A transfusion can buy you days or weeks to get other treatments going. Tell your vet that several of the cats on this list serve who are FeLV+ and had hematocrits almost that low turned around with epogen. With a hematocrit that low she is close to losing the fight, so what could possibly be the downside of trying the Epogen? If she says they can get reactions to it, that is not usual and when it does happen it is normally months into the treatment and reverses when the treatment is stopped. At this point, I do not see what you have to lose. The other thing that has seemed to help is putting 800 micrograms of folic acid in the cat's food. And definitely, absolutely steroids-- preferably a pretty high dose of prednisone or dexamethasone to start. The combination of Epogen and a high dose of prednisone brought Belinda's Bailey from something like a hematocrit of 15 all the way up to 40. I would get her on Epogen right away, and steroids, and if your vet will not try it I would go to another vet, preferably a board-certified internist. An internist could probably also give you more idea what might be causing this, and if lymphoma is likely. Lymphoma can get other treatments. My Simon, when he had anemia, had his hematocrit go up from 11 to 30 pretty quickly from chemotherapy and steroids. He lived about 2 months, with some very good weeks, after that, then died of a hemolytic reaction that made his hematocrit plunge too quickly to have a response. Michelle In a message dated 4/16/2006 5:56:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chelsea got her first ImmunoRegulin shot yesterday. She also had blood drawn, after which she collapsed but later revived. She is still eating but is very weak. Below are the results of her bloodwork, it doesn't look good at all at this point. I'm giving her pet tinic, oral interferon and a product called Feline Immune System Support from Standard Process. The bloodwork showed no Hemobart, should I still ask for Doxycycline? My vet really isn't comfortable with Epogen
Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
I would think that any cat that collapsed after a blood draw would immediately get a transfusion as a matter of course. Perhaps I missed something coming in late to this topic though I have a huge 18 pound cat now, I'm seriously thinking of putting him on the emergency cat blood donor list for our local emergency clinic, he has the body weight needed to be a good strong donor. Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped some wire around his neck to strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home! http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/313 - Release Date: 4/15/2006
Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Cindy, That's wonderful news about Smokey! How long does the vet intend to keep him on Winstrol? I know there are people that treat with equistim, (Immuno Regulin), as a preventative, but because it is a bacteria used to stimulate the immune response, I would think it wouldn't be something that you would want to keep Smokey on indefinitely either. Please tell us more about the protocol you and your vet have chosen for Smokey. Thanks, Nina cindy reasoner wrote: Hi, My Smokey has been on equistim for about 2 months now. He had been tested for felv when I first got him and it was negative but after about a month he started getting fevers. After alot of medications to get the fever down only to have it go back up again the vet decided to check for felv again. This time it was positive. This vet didn't seem to be the best at handling felv+ kitties so I changed vets. The new vet started him on the equistim. The first week I believe he got an injection for 4 or 5 days and now he gets 2 injections a week. He gets them subq. The vet lets me give them to him at home. He also goes to the vet every 2 weeks to get an injection of Winstrol. He has been doing great. He hasn't had a fever since we started him on the equistim. He is gaining weight and has started playing now. He has a great appetite. I hope this helps. Cindy
Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Hi, My Smokey has been on equistim for about 2 months now. He had been tested for felv when I first got him and it was negative but after about a month he started getting fevers. After alot of medications to get the fever down only to have it go back up again the vet decided to check for felv again. This time it was positive. This vet didn't seem to be the best at handling felv+ kitties so I changed vets. The new vet started him on the equistim. The first week I believe he got an injection for 4 or 5 days and now he gets 2 injections a week. He gets them subq. The vet lets me give them to him at home. He also goes to the vet every 2 weeks to get an injection of Winstrol. He has been doing great. He hasn't had a fever since we started him on the equistim. He is gaining weight and has started playing now. He has a great appetite. I hope this helps. Cindy --- ACALA PET ISSUES [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Any advise would be appreciated greatly. One of my 11 month old felv+ cats - Chelsea - who has been on a course of clavamox until a couple of days ago for a slight fever and lethargy has just developed very pale gums. They weren't pale 2 weeks ago when she last saw the vet. I know that pale gums are indicative of anemia. I'm trying to convince a vet to try Immunoregulin. Has anyone had much success with this therapy? Chelsea already gets interferon orally. Thanks, Deanne __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
First thing is to determine what is causing the anemia, giving doxy even when hemobart isn't found is a good idea, hemo is VERY hard to detect and the doxy will almost always take care of it and won't hurt Chelsea if she doesn't have hemo but will save her life if she does. Blood transfusions, and epogen depending onwhat is causing the anemia can really help. Also vitamin B complex and folic acid are needed to build blood. Prednisolone can help if it is similar to what Bailey has. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
My Tucson had two episodes where her White Blood Count went way DOWN... Vet gave her a series of immuno-regulin and it went back up. She didn't seem to have any major side effects--for her that means she kept on eating in her ususal piggy way (she's a bit of a Porko!) Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ACALA PET ISSUES Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea? Hi, Any advise would be appreciated greatly. One of my 11 month old felv+ cats - Chelsea - who has been on a course of clavamox until a couple of days ago for a slight fever and lethargy has just developed very pale gums. They weren't pale 2 weeks ago when she last saw the vet. I know that pale gums are indicative of anemia. I'm trying to convince a vet to try Immunoregulin. Has anyone had much success with this therapy? Chelsea already gets interferon orally. Thanks, Deanne
Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
One of our group here in Little Rock has been using immunoregulin, and has good things to say about it. Gloria On Apr 13, 2006, at 5:09 PM, ACALA PET ISSUES wrote: Hi, Any advise would be appreciated greatly. One of my 11 month old felv+ cats - Chelsea - who has been on a course of clavamox until a couple of days ago for a slight fever and lethargy has just developed very pale gums. They weren't pale 2 weeks ago when she last saw the vet. I know that pale gums are indicative of anemia. I'm trying to convince a vet to try Immunoregulin. Has anyone had much success with this therapy? Chelsea already gets interferon orally. Thanks, Deanne
Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Lots of people, including me, have had success with it for URI's, and it is supposed to help with anemia. But those who have gotten good results with anemia, getting blood counts back to normal, have also used Epogen, steroids, folic acid, and various supplements. Look in the archives for the regimens used on Bailey and Bandy. Michelle In a message dated 4/13/2006 6:58:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of our group here in Little Rock has been using immunoregulin, and has good things to say about it.GloriaOn Apr 13, 2006, at 5:09 PM, ACALA PET ISSUES wrote: Hi, Any advise would be appreciated greatly. One of my 11 month old felv+ cats - Chelsea - who has been on a course of clavamox until a couple of days ago for a slight fever and lethargy has just developed very pale gums. They weren't pale 2 weeks ago when she last saw the vet. I know that pale gums are indicative of anemia. I'm trying to convince a vet to try Immunoregulin. Has anyone had much success with this therapy? Chelsea already gets interferon orally. Thanks, Deanne
Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea?
Thanks Nina, I've got a vet appt for Chelsea on Saturday. I'll have them check for Hemobartinella. She didn't have pale gums two weeks ago when she saw a vet for her fever/lethargy. She still has a bounce in her step so I hope that whatever may be causing this, we'll have time to treat it. Deanne From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: ImmunoRegulin for Chelsea? Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:45:38 -0700 Deanne, Do you know what the cause of the anemia is? Did they do any other tests to try to determine why she's anemic, or did they just prescribe the Clavamox to see if it helped? When my Grace developed anemic symptoms, she was put on Clavamox, (or maybe it was Amoxi), at first too. It helped a little, for a little while, but she kept getting weaker. I found a specialty clinic and an Internist that ran several other tests, including one for blood parasites, (Hemobartinella). Even though the test was neg, we put Grace on Doxycycline, (a broader spectrum abx that would help if it was Hemobart). It did help her recover, I guess we'll never really know why. I haven't tried IR, but I've heard really good things from others on the list about it. It sometimes gets to the point where trying something unconventional is worth the risk, when doing nothing is not an option. Prayers that Chelsea turns around quickly. Nina ACALA PET ISSUES wrote: Hi, Any advise would be appreciated greatly. One of my 11 month old felv+ cats - Chelsea - who has been on a course of clavamox until a couple of days ago for a slight fever and lethargy has just developed very pale gums. They weren't pale 2 weeks ago when she last saw the vet. I know that pale gums are indicative of anemia. I'm trying to convince a vet to try Immunoregulin. Has anyone had much success with this therapy? Chelsea already gets interferon orally. Thanks, Deanne
Re: ImmunoRegulin/Cricket
Hi Belinda, Cricket isn't feral, but he sure does act like it sometimes. He gets crazy if anyone tries to do anything to him at the vet. Since he was so anemic, it was less stressful on him to sedate him. I did find a vet who will administer the ImmunoRegulin that I bought as soon as it gets here. I just don't know what dosage to give him. The vet said he would look up the dosage, but I am a little weary about vets anyway, and like to find the information out before I do things so I'm not caught off guard or know if something doesn't sound right. I hope we have enough time. Cricket's labs came back with a hemocrit of 7%, which is pretty bad, and he didn't look so well this morning. So I am just trying to get through the day at work so I can get home to him. I wish it were Friday. The vet didn't sound very encouraging after looking at his labs. He also had one eye dilated this morning so I don't know what in the world that means. I just hope if he goes that I am home with him. Has anyone had a cat die of anemia at home while you were there? Is it painful? I don't want to take him to the vet if I don't have to because he hates going to the vet. Thanks. Hanging on to hope- Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: ImmunoRegulin/Cricket
Ok, a few things. 1) Immuno-regulin is supposed to be administered IV, which means getting a vet or vet tech to do it (or a nurse probably-- just someone skilled in IV administration). A new list member said her vet gives it subcutaneously and that there have been no ill effects. If you want to try that, we can tell you have to give a sub-q shot pretty easily, though it is better to be shown. I would try to get someone to give it IV, though. I do not believe that IV and sub-q administration do the same thing. Some drugs should not be present in the body outside a vein (like some chemo drugs) and I have no idea whether I-R is one of those. It also may not be as effective sub-q. But if it is all you got, you may want to do it. 2) If the vet put him on pred, it means he thinks the anemia may be the result of an auto-immune reaction where he is killing his red blood cells. I have two thoughts on this (mind you I am not a medical professional and all the info I have is from treatments my own animals have had, so I may not be correct!). First, he is hardly producing any red blood cells, which makes me think that the problem lies more in his ability to produce red blood cells than in his destroying them after they are produced. If this is the case, the only situation I can think of that would make sense to give prednisone is if the reason the bone marrow can not produce red blood cells is due to the presence of lymphoma, because prednisone shrinks lymphoma. That said, if that is the case, I would not be doing prednisone. If I were going to do steroids for a cat in this bad shape, I would bring out the big guns and do dexamethasone and depomedrol shots. That is what is used for auto-immune reactions that are severe, and that is what is usually used as a jump-start when trying to shrink lymphoma through the use of steroids (pred is a steroid). But if it is cancer, you may be wanting to do chemo as well, which can really really help with lymphoma in a lot of cats. My Simon had an RBC count that low and chemo and steroids combined brought it up to 30. It eventually went back down again, but he was better for a while. Steroids alone will not be enough to control lymphoma, and giving them before chemo can make the chemo not work as well. 3) Which leads me to my third thought, which is to try to get Cricket to a board-certified internist or an oncologist right away to see if they think it is lymphoma and can be treated. FeLV+ cats are very susceptible to lymphoma-- I have lost 2 and possibly 3 positive cats to it (one was not definitively diagnosed and my have had dry FIP, but they thought it was lymphoma). If you would consider chemo, it is worth finding out right away. 4) Finally, I would definitely get him a blood transfusion ASAP. At 13, they usually recommend that, to buy time while trying other treatments or seeking a diagnosis. Simon had 3 transfusions in 2 weeks before the chemo and steroids kicked in and raised his rbc count sufficiently. He would have died without the transfusions, probably, before the treatments could help. Hope this helps, Michelle
Re: ImmunoRegulin/Cricket
If he will not use the immunregalin, then ask him to recommend a vet who is willing to do everything possible to help save your baby, if he won't recommend one, just find one yourself. Where are you located again? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: ImmunoRegulin/Cricket
PS. Why did he sedate Cricket for a blood draw? I've never heard of that, is Cricket feral (sorry if you had said he was and I forgot)? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
