Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-17 Thread Reimar Döffinger
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 05:13:53PM +0100, Kieran Kunhya wrote: > > And do not forget the language barrier: when writing a mail, there is as > > much time as necessary to find words. IRL, the people struggling to find > > their words are at a clear disadvantage. > > We can rotate between different

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-16 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On 20 Jul, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote : > I'd like to invite you to the VideoLAN Dev Days 2014, the 3rd week-end > of September, in Dublin, Ireland. Google is providing the hosting. I would like to remind that you should register before August 20, if you want to be sponsored. In any cases, you sho

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-16 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On 16 Aug, Michael Niedermayer wrote : > VDD is a great thing for thouse who like meetings and conferences. BS. It's exactly the opposite. It's for people like us, who don't like conferences, but understand the need to meet. > But iam not a conference / meeting / party / traveller guy. I really

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-16 Thread Kieran Kunhya
> And do not forget the language barrier: when writing a mail, there is as > much time as necessary to find words. IRL, the people struggling to find > their words are at a clear disadvantage. We can rotate between different languages every ten minutes =p __

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-16 Thread Nicolas George
Le sextidi 26 thermidor, an CCXXII, Stefano Sabatini a écrit : > anybody is planning to go there? I remember that the registration will > close on August 20 (that is, the next week Wednesday), bye. I intend to be there; I have already registered. I have not yet booked a flight as I must wait for m

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-16 Thread Nicolas George
Le nonidi 29 thermidor, an CCXXII, Clément Bœsch a écrit : > <+nevcairiel> most people that insist on them are those that know that > they are more experienced and comfortable with them, and hope to win the > argument that way As someone not much at ease with socializing, I can only concur. And d

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-16 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 04:29:13PM +0200, wm4 wrote: > On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 15:12:55 +0100 > Kieran Kunhya wrote: > > > > like i said, iam happy to resign, if that reunites the projects and > > > resolves the problems > > > how can my resignation not be enough, if as you say iam the blocking > > >

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-16 Thread Kieran Kunhya
> The social aspect > should IMO not overlap over the technical one. Problems with the way people behave are social problems... In an ideal world yes, all the disagreements could be technical but in reality they are sadly not all technical. Kieran ___ f

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-16 Thread wm4
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 15:12:55 +0100 Kieran Kunhya wrote: > > like i said, iam happy to resign, if that reunites the projects and > > resolves the problems > > how can my resignation not be enough, if as you say iam the blocking > > factor ? > > You impose conditions on your resignation. We proba

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-16 Thread Clément Bœsch
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 02:36:00PM +0100, Kieran Kunhya wrote: [...] > Whether you like it or not these problems are social issues (cf VDD11) > and they will require a social solution. You are the blocking factor > and everyone knows it and we say it every VDD. I'm too lazy to make a long mail to

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-16 Thread Kieran Kunhya
> like i said, iam happy to resign, if that reunites the projects and > resolves the problems > how can my resignation not be enough, if as you say iam the blocking > factor ? You impose conditions on your resignation. And wow, you'd rather resign than meet in person... __

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-16 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 02:36:00PM +0100, Kieran Kunhya wrote: > > do you think me, the rest of the FFmpeg and Libav developers sitting > > together and people accusing each other of theft and lies. Would lead > > to improved relations ? > > You perhaps fail to realise since you've never done it b

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-16 Thread Kieran Kunhya
> do you think me, the rest of the FFmpeg and Libav developers sitting > together and people accusing each other of theft and lies. Would lead > to improved relations ? You perhaps fail to realise since you've never done it before that there's vastly less of these long, stupid historical tales whe

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-16 Thread compn
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 05:16:09 +0200 Michael Niedermayer wrote: > I do want to resolve this, and i think if for example libav developers > and ffmpeg developers would each say "shit happened, we all made > mistakes" thats a start from which i think projects could be reunited. diego said those exac

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-16 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 09:48:18AM +0200, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: > On 16 Aug, Michael Niedermayer wrote : > > On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 03:48:53AM +0200, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: > > > On 16 Aug, Michael Niedermayer wrote : > > > > I had not intended to come to VDD and reading this > > > > http

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-16 Thread Reimar Döffinger
On 16.08.2014, at 09:50, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: > On 16 Aug, Reimar Döffinger wrote : >> Which is mostly why people avoid speaking to each other, at the least about >> anything close to the subject, so far the best that would happen is that >> everyone felt uncomfortable. > > VDD is not abo

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-16 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On 16 Aug, Reimar Döffinger wrote : > Which is mostly why people avoid speaking to each other, at the least about > anything close to the subject, so far the best that would happen is that > everyone felt uncomfortable. VDD is not about your projects fighting each other. While you were fighting,

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-16 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On 16 Aug, Michael Niedermayer wrote : > On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 03:48:53AM +0200, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: > > On 16 Aug, Michael Niedermayer wrote : > > > I had not intended to come to VDD and reading this > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/08/msg00478.html > > > > > > I definiti

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-16 Thread Reimar Döffinger
On 16.08.2014, at 03:48, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: > On 16 Aug, Michael Niedermayer wrote : >> I had not intended to come to VDD and reading this >> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/08/msg00478.html >> >> I definitively will not come to VDD, as it would just be wasted time, > > That's

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-15 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 03:48:53AM +0200, Jean-Baptiste Kempf wrote: > On 16 Aug, Michael Niedermayer wrote : > > I had not intended to come to VDD and reading this > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/08/msg00478.html > > > > I definitively will not come to VDD, as it would just be wast

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-15 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
On 16 Aug, Michael Niedermayer wrote : > I had not intended to come to VDD and reading this > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/08/msg00478.html > > I definitively will not come to VDD, as it would just be wasted time, That's an easy excuse. -- Jean-Baptiste Kempf http://www.jbkempf.co

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-15 Thread Michael Niedermayer
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 06:42:39PM +0200, Stefano Sabatini wrote: > On date Sunday 2014-07-20 18:16:52 +0200, Jean-Baptiste Kempf encoded: > > My dear friends of the FFmpeg community, > > > > I'd like to invite you to the VideoLAN Dev Days 2014, the 3rd week-end > > of September, in Dublin, Irelan

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-14 Thread Thilo Borgmann
Am 14.08.14 01:56, schrieb compn: > On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:48:38 +0200 > Reimar Döffinger wrote: > >> On 13.08.2014, at 18:42, Stefano Sabatini wrote: >>> On date Sunday 2014-07-20 18:16:52 +0200, Jean-Baptiste Kempf >>> encoded: My dear friends of the FFmpeg community, I'd like t

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-13 Thread compn
On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:48:38 +0200 Reimar Döffinger wrote: > On 13.08.2014, at 18:42, Stefano Sabatini wrote: > > On date Sunday 2014-07-20 18:16:52 +0200, Jean-Baptiste Kempf > > encoded: > >> My dear friends of the FFmpeg community, > >> > >> I'd like to invite you to the VideoLAN Dev Days 20

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-13 Thread Reimar Döffinger
On 13.08.2014, at 18:42, Stefano Sabatini wrote: > On date Sunday 2014-07-20 18:16:52 +0200, Jean-Baptiste Kempf encoded: >> My dear friends of the FFmpeg community, >> >> I'd like to invite you to the VideoLAN Dev Days 2014, the 3rd week-end >> of September, in Dublin, Ireland. Google is providi

Re: [FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-08-13 Thread Stefano Sabatini
On date Sunday 2014-07-20 18:16:52 +0200, Jean-Baptiste Kempf encoded: > My dear friends of the FFmpeg community, > > I'd like to invite you to the VideoLAN Dev Days 2014, the 3rd week-end > of September, in Dublin, Ireland. Google is providing the hosting. > > This technical conference about ope

[FFmpeg-devel] Invitation to VDD and registration

2014-07-20 Thread Jean-Baptiste Kempf
My dear friends of the FFmpeg community, I'd like to invite you to the VideoLAN Dev Days 2014, the 3rd week-end of September, in Dublin, Ireland. Google is providing the hosting. This technical conference about open source multimedia, will see developers from VLC, libav, FFmpeg, x26*, Phonon, DVB