Thanks John for taking the reigns. These horses were getting out of control.
To clear up some misinformation that was part of this thread, please look at
the CURRENT issue (June 2011) of Consumer Reports which tells a very
different story than what was incorrectly reported here about MACs. I
Hmmm, it's almost like they came to my defense. Or getting a supreme
court ruling in ones favor..but Macs are niche computers.
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On May 25, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Fiskum, Steve fisk...@jspaluch.com wrote:
Thanks John for taking the reigns. These horses were getting
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Fiskum, Steve fisk...@jspaluch.com wrote:
Thanks John for taking the reigns. These horses were getting out of control.
Actually you were getting way out of control with the personal insults
and puns on list participants last names.
And then whined about
Hello Kim,
Wow! My first post on this list in many months and first post to this thread
and you attack me for personal insults and puns on list participants last
names...huh? I think you've got the wrong guy.
Have a pint.
Cheers,
Steve
5/25/11 12:55 PM, Kim Patrick Clow telem...@gmail.com
On 23 May 2011 at 20:11, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Look, the fact is that a cheap laptop isn't going to hack it. Even
David Fenton agrees.
I DID NOT SAY THAT.
It may very well be that for a particular user a $300 laptop is going
to be JUST FINE -- it depends entirely on how any particular
I think no one care about what you have to say. Consumer Reports.highest
rated. They could have argued as you do but did not. They see the facts. Your
arguments are old and tired. Yet you continue.
Go have a pint. This is over.
--
Eric Dannewitz
Musician/Polymath
On Wednesday, May 25,
Sorry, misfired communique ;)
My apologies.
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Fiskum, Steve fisk...@jspaluch.com wrote:
Hello Kim,
Wow! My first post on this list in many months and first post to this thread
and you attack me for personal insults and puns on list participants last
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
I think no one care about what you have to say. Consumer Reports.highest
rated. They could have argued as you do but did not. They see the facts. Your
arguments are old and tired. Yet you continue.
On 24 May 2011 at 10:59, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
The Mac is slightly lighter,
Slightly? It weighs only 2/3s what the Acer does, 4.5 lbs. vs. over
6. That's a HUGE difference.
has a harder polycarbonate plastic case.
Big deal. Not worth spending the 600 dollars I saved, because I'm not
in
On 24 May 2011 at 8:04, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Actually, what is meant is that you can simply take the hard drive out
of one Mac, say an iMac, and have use it on a macpro. It boots up just
fine. Windows can't do that as far as I know.
It can if you have the same hardware, as you do with Macs.
On Wednesday, May 25, 2011 at 12:29 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
It can if you have the same hardware, as you do with Macs.
But because Windows PCs are not a closed and proprietary system,
that's simply not the case -- you can't do it except if the machines
are very close siblings (as are
On 25 May 2011 at 12:57, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
On Wednesday, May 25, 2011 at 12:29 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
It can if you have the same hardware, as you do with Macs.
But because Windows PCs are not a closed and proprietary system,
that's simply not the case -- you can't do it except
On 25 May 2011 at 14:06, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
Apple computer users and fans are notoriously religious about their
support for their products, so I'm not surprised at that result
Anyone who is intellectually honest has to recognize the superiority
of Apple's hardware and software. It just
True enough
--
Eric Dannewitz
Musician/Polymath
On Wednesday, May 25, 2011 at 1:04 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Well, by same hardware I didn't mean identical -- for instance, I
meant that if you had two Lenovo Thinkpads (even if one were 2 or 3
years older than the other), you could likely
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:26 PM, David W. Fenton
lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote:
On 24 May 2011 at 10:59, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
The Mac is slightly lighter,
Slightly? It weighs only 2/3s what the Acer does, 4.5 lbs. vs. over
6. That's a HUGE difference.
Yeah, 1.5 lbs. OOoo how WILL I lift
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:36 PM, David W. Fenton
lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote:
On 25 May 2011 at 14:06, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
Anyone who is intellectually honest has to recognize the superiority
of Apple's hardware and software. It just isn't an issue that's
disputable.
That's a No True
Sigh.where is the facts to support this? There is absolutely NO PROOF of
this. Period. Apple simply took the great selling App Store they had for their
iOS devices and brought it to the Mac. Yes, they are a little strict but one
does not have to get their software through that.
And Macs
On 25 May 2011 at 15:54, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:26 PM, David W. Fenton
lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote:
On 24 May 2011 at 10:59, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
The Mac is slightly lighter,
Slightly? It weighs only 2/3s what the Acer does, 4.5 lbs. vs. over
6.
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
Sigh.where is the facts to support this? There is absolutely NO PROOF
of this. Period. Apple simply took the great selling App Store they had for
their iOS devices and brought it to the Mac. Yes, they are a
On 25 May 2011 at 13:22, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
And Macs do not have viruses. Ever. They have had a couple of malware
and trojans, but not a virus.
Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the vernacular use of the term
virus, but the fact is, when somebody talks about needing anti-
virus software on a
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:54 PM, David W. Fenton
lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote:
On 25 May 2011 at 13:22, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
And Macs do not have viruses. Ever. They have had a couple of malware
and trojans, but not a virus.
Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the vernacular use of the term
On 25 May 2011 at 17:21, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:54 PM, David W. Fenton
lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote:
On 25 May 2011 at 13:22, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
And Macs do not have viruses. Ever. They have had a couple of
malware and trojans, but not a virus.
Jesus..you are giving a link to a site that is referring to OS 6? And the
second link doesn't say ANYTHING relevant. So System 6 is your proof? That
was what, 1990? 20 years ago? Really?
Ok, let me correct myself, Mac OS X has never had a virus. Nada. I have not
heard of ONE outbreak of a
On 25 May 2011, at 21:52, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
But here is a list:
http://www.iantivirus.com/threats/index/query/V/
Most of this list is from the early '90s, some I remember and they
were proof of concept viruses
created by anti-virus software manufacturers, which still required
What I mean is that Macs have had 2 Trojans, one of which was caused by people
downloading Pirated versions of iLife 09. The other is this Defender thing that
is going around. That is it. So.very very very very very very rare I guess.
Like getting hit by a baseball, in a thunder storm,
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk wrote:
And yet, there are unix viruses too. The oldest trojans were unix based.
Macs these days are not virus-free because of lower market share but because
of inherent UNIX security.
I wish I could disable some of it, but a
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
Jesus..you are giving a link to a site that is referring to OS 6? And the
second link doesn't say ANYTHING relevant. So System 6 is your proof? That
was what, 1990? 20 years ago? Really?
Hey you're the one that
On 25 May 2011 at 14:11, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
What I mean is that Macs have had 2 Trojans, one of which was caused
by people downloading Pirated versions of iLife 09. The other is this
Defender thing that is going around. That is it. So.very very very
very very very rare I guess. Like
On Wed May 25, at WednesdayMay 25 4:52 PM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
You want to argue semantics now over what Virus and
Malware is?
But here is a list:
http://www.iantivirus.com/threats/index/query/V/
and for more recent vintage stuff:
On Wed May 25, at WednesdayMay 25 6:04 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
So, there really is not much difference in this area between Windows
and Mac except for two factors:
1. lots of Windows user are still running WinXP as administrator,
which makes them inherently vulnerable to the maximum
On 25 May 2011 at 17:14, Christopher Smith wrote:
BTW, David has been making cogent points, except that not ALL the
bundled software with new Macs are the full-fledged programs. Some are
only demo versions, like Pages. Having never bought a Windows machine,
I couldn't compare the quantities.
On 25 May 2011 at 17:14, Christopher Smith wrote:
I do make a distinction between viruses and other malware, because of
the way viruses can be distributed with very little action on the part
of the victims.
I don't think that's really the proper distinction. And I'm not
certain what the
On 25 May 2011 at 18:24, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Wed May 25, at WednesdayMay 25 6:04 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
So, there really is not much difference in this area between Windows
and Mac except for two factors:
1. lots of Windows user are still running WinXP as administrator,
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
I think it's funny when old people get upset. You are like what, 60,
and you are using childish references, Glenn beck pictures, and
O'Reily references that maybe two other people get? And ass
references? Really?
I
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On May 23, 2011, at 11:26 PM, Kim Patrick Clow telem...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com
wrote:.
No, it's based on web analytics, not sales. Unlike determining market
share by units sold, Qauntcast measures OS share
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
Sigh.that doesn't mean anything. That simply means How many things are
on the net that are visiting sites that report the traffic to quantcast. It
doesn't distinguish between say a computer used in a
On 23 May 2011 at 17:14, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
iBut you're not getting the same thing for $300 that you would if
you pad $800 for a Mac -- if you configured a Windows PC with
comparable specifications as the $800 Mac, it will cost about $800,
too (and in many cases, it will cost MORE)./i
On 23 May 2011 at 14:57, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
You do know that windows generally needs to be reinstalled if you
switch hardware.
I don't know what this is intended to mean. It doesn't sound correct
at all.
If you get a new PC, yes, you'll have a new copy of Windows (pre-
installed). If you
On 23 May 2011 at 15:03, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
If not RAID 1 (mirroring for those who don't know what it is), then at
least an external drive to backup Daily to and/or a subscription to
something like crashplan. In this digital age you really can't afford
to NOT to have a backup plan.
On 23 May 2011 at 18:14, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
Old link, but still pertinent:
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6511774-10.html?tag=rb_content;rb
_mtx
And that Acer was significantly cheaper than the Apple product.
Name the Apple product model so that a real side-by-side comparison
On 23 May 2011 at 18:14, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
Old link, but still pertinent:
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6511774-10.html?tag=rb_content;rb
_mtx
And that Acer was significantly cheaper than the Apple product.
I don't have time for this (I have to go to work), but just glancing
On May 24, 2011, at 8:17 AM, David W. Fenton wrote:
But that's no different from a Mac (for which you don't have the
choice of building your own, BTW).
FYI, here is one of my long time favorite Mac stores, and their build your
own page.
http://www.powermax.com/bto/
best,
timothy.price
Actually, what is meant is that you can simply take the hard drive out
of one Mac, say an iMac, and have use it on a macpro. It boots up just
fine. Windows can't do that as far as I know. So the system disk on my
2006 iMac, which has smart music registered on it, I can take home and
boot my macpro
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 8:15 AM, David W. Fenton
lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote:
Prove it! I am certain that if I compared your $300 PC laptop to the
cheapest Mac laptop, your cheapo PC will come up way short on
important features/components. Those may not matter to you (i.e., you
may not
At 9:31 PM -0700 5/23/11, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Man, you are a moron huh?
Children, children, let's just chill out, OK?
No one is going to change anyone's mind about platforms or
peripherals or software unless they are ready and willing to change
their minds, so how about scaling back the
Hi All,
I need to purchase a new desktop computer. I am running Finale 2010 Windows
at the present and will likely upgrade to 2012 when it comes out. I engrave
full orchestrations and want to be able to play any and all of the sounds.
I also want something that I will not outgrow in a few
Get an iMac.
--
Eric Dannewitz
Musician/Polymath
On Monday, May 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Lee Dengler wrote:
Hi All,
I need to purchase a new desktop computer. I am running Finale 2010 Windows
at the present and will likely upgrade to 2012 when it comes out. I engrave
full orchestrations and
I need to purchase a new desktop computer. I am running Finale 2010 Windows
at the present and will likely upgrade to 2012 when it comes out. I engrave
full orchestrations and want to be able to play any and all of the sounds.
I also want something that I will not outgrow in a few years.
That's what I think too. I have a 27 iMac, and it is satisfying and trouble
free. A little extra RAM can help. (Full disclosure - I've always used Macs
and have little experience with Windows. Still, I am confident in giving this
recommendation.)
Chuck
On May 23, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Eric
Though I don't see how a $300 laptop is going to be able to grow for a few
years. Nor how it will handle playing back good quality sounds (NOT the Finale
Software synth sounds, but more like the Garritan sounds)
I'd still say some sort of Mac. iMac for desktop, or a laptop. Plus they can
drive
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net wrote:
That's what I think too. I have a 27 iMac, and it is satisfying and trouble
free. A little extra RAM can help. (Full disclosure - I've always used Macs
and have little experience with Windows. Still, I am confident
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
Though I don't see how a $300 laptop is going to be able to grow for a few
years. Nor how it will handle playing back good quality sounds (NOT the
Finale Software synth sounds, but more like the Garritan sounds)
There is a lot to consider here. Bigger screen doesn't mean better. You want a
good, high resolution screen. Not just a bigger screen. It could be 19 but
with a crappy display resolution.
Blu Ray DVD? So now we are looking at entertainment machines? I don't think
you'd have an actual BluRay
But that's no a real good point. You then have several boat anchors (ie old
hardware) around, plus you have all the migration problems of getting your old
files and software to new machines.
So if I spend $999 to get a MacBook, I could have gotten 2 1/2 $300 special
windows computers? That is
On 23 May 2011 at 15:29, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
I got a top notch laptop via their website for
300.00.
It may have been a really good value, but it wasn't a top-notch
laptop.
--
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David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/
On 23 May 2011 at 14:44, Lee Dengler wrote:
Any suggestions would greatly appreciated.
It's difficult to recommend brands any more as so many of the top
nameplates just don't have good quality any longer. I still recommend
Dell desktops to my clients and haven't had any significant problems
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
There is a lot to consider here. Bigger screen doesn't mean better. You want
a good, high resolution screen. Not just a bigger screen. It could be 19 but
with a crappy display resolution.
Blu Ray DVD? So now we are
On 23 May 2011 at 13:53, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
But that's no a real good point. You then have several boat anchors
(ie old hardware) around, plus you have all the migration problems of
getting your old files and software to new machines.
Eric and I hardly ever agree on anything at all, but on
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
But that's no a real good point. You then have several boat anchors (ie old
hardware) around, plus you have all the migration problems of getting your
old files and software to new machines.
Yeah, that's incredibly
iBut you're not getting the same thing for $300 that you would if you
pad $800 for a Mac -- if you configured a Windows PC with comparable
specifications as the $800 Mac, it will cost about $800, too (and in
many cases, it will cost MORE)./i
Not in this case, really. I'm way ahead of you on this
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On May 23, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Kim Patrick Clow telem...@gmail.com wrote:
Right, so Apple's limited warranty isn't any better than a standard
PC, and like them-- you can buy an extended warranty. But that's swell
of Apple to offer limited warranties on their products.
If not RAID 1 (mirroring for those who don't know what it is), then at
least an external drive to backup Daily to and/or a subscription to
something like crashplan. In this digital age you really can't afford
to NOT to have a backup plan.
Though RAID1 won't keep you safe from accidental deletion
Whatever he is eating/smoking I want some. I haven't seen anything
remotely close to what you'd get with a stock MacBook.
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On May 23, 2011, at 2:18 PM, Kim Patrick Clow telem...@gmail.com wrote:
iBut you're not getting the same thing for $300 that you would if you
pad
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
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On May 23, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Kim Patrick Clow telem...@gmail.com wrote:
Right, so Apple's limited warranty isn't any better than a standard
PC, and like them-- you can buy an extended
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
Whatever he is eating/smoking I want some. I haven't seen anything
remotely close to what you'd get with a stock MacBook.
Old link, but still pertinent:
Wow.hell has frozen over ;-)
You speak the truth sir.
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On May 23, 2011, at 2:08 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote:
On 23 May 2011 at 13:53, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
But that's no a real good point. You then have several boat anchors
(ie old
Me too. I have a 27 iMac with a 2nd 24 monitor attached in portrait
mode. Worth every cent. Screen real estate is gold and improves
productivity substantially. I have a laptop at work and it's almost
painful in comparison.
Matthew
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On 24/05/2011, at 5:22 AM, Chuck
What, not having any clown pie?
The iMacs display is really really nice for finale...
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On May 23, 2011, at 3:35 PM, Matthew Hindson Gma mhindson2...@gmail.com wrote:
Me too. I have a 27 iMac with a 2nd 24 monitor attached in portrait mode.
Worth every cent. Screen
Sure it's not clown pie? That link is really old.they mention PowerBooks?
And that's the only one you can reference? Hardly convincing
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On May 23, 2011, at 3:30 PM, Kim Patrick Clow telem...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Eric Dannewitz
Sent from my iSomething
On May 23, 2011, at 3:11 PM, Kim Patrick Clow telem...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com
wrote:
So your point about Apple's limited warranty and offering extended
coverage isn't any better than PC has no bearing on
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
Sure it's not clown pie? That link is really old.they mention PowerBooks?
But it's more recent than any of your links, Oh wait, you haven't
provided anything other than your personal stories, and that great
Really? You can't use Google? Or check CNet? Check Amazon (3 of the top 5 are
Apple Laptops, 5 of the top 10 are iMacs)? Or even check Consumer Reports?
The evidence is out there.plain as day. They make excellent hardware. #1-3
in Desktops on Amazon are held by Apple products.
Point Game
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
Really? You can't use Google? Or check CNet? Check Amazon (3 of the top 5 are
Apple Laptops, 5 of the top 10 are iMacs)? Or even check Consumer Reports?
The evidence is out there.plain as day. They make
Actually, no. But Clow(n) land seems to be really holding you tight.
Look, the fact is that a cheap laptop isn't going to hack it. Even David Fenton
agrees. And just bashing Apple products just shows ignorance on your part.
--
Eric Dannewitz
Musician/Polymath
On Monday, May 23, 2011 at 8:00
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
Actually, no. But Clow(n) land seems to be really holding you tight.
Not so tight as things apparently over in Eric Dumbshitz land.
Look, the fact is that a cheap laptop isn't going to hack it. Even David
Fenton
The last thing I wanted to do was to start a platform war. Macs are better for
me (in my limited experience) and worth the money - for me. PCs seem to be
less expensive, and I know they work. I find them slightly more obtuse and I
am clumsier when using them, but that may be lack of
Man, you are a moron huh? I mean, you are using Glenn beck and Bill
O'Reilly? What purpose does bringing these people into this
discussion?
Whatever. I think anyone that reads your posts will see them for what
they are.ill-informed. Apple makes great products, and if one is
looking for a new
Oh, but you spent lots of money on a niche product. You could have
bought 2 or more $300 laptops that could do all what you want.
The iMac is really nice. The displays are nice. And it is nearly
silent. A 27 iMac and a 30 external monitor would be amazing. Have
you done that? How would you
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:31 AM, Eric ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
Man, you are a moron huh? I mean, you are using Glenn beck and Bill
O'Reilly? What purpose does bringing these people into this
discussion?
Are you? I mean, it's one thing to have a debate about a platform and
your personal
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote:
Oh, but you spent lots of money on a niche product. You could have
bought 2 or more $300 laptops that could do all what you want.
The iMac is really nice. The displays are nice. And it is nearly
silent. A 27 iMac
Huh? Who? You aren't making sense..what are you talking about?
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On May 23, 2011, at 10:34 PM, Kim Patrick Clow telem...@gmail.com wrote:
Aw more butthurt:
LOL @ 950.00 27 inch monitor compared to HP's 27 version for only 320
@ the aforementioned Amazon, clearly
I think it's funny when old people get upset. You are like what, 60,
and you are using childish references, Glenn beck pictures, and
O'Reily references that maybe two other people get? And ass
references? Really?
Sales figures matter. Why would Apple be in the tops there if they
didn't make good
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