On 23-11-2016 15:44, Robert Patterson wrote:
> But if you do have a lot of them, my Mass Copy plugin will copy the pattern.
Thanks to all! Flipping the ties and then copying them with Roberts
plugin worked perfectly!
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But if you do have a lot of them, my Mass Copy plugin will copy the pattern.
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Christopher Smith <
christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote:
> Aha! I just tried it. There ARE four ties, but the two tying the Bs
> together are superimposed. With the Special Tool (Ties)
Aha! I just tried it. There ARE four ties, but the two tying the Bs together
are superimposed. With the Special Tool (Ties) I click on one, hit command F
(on my Mac) to flip it, and now I see all four ties.
There is work to do to get the heads not to collide with each other. I hope you
don’t
In Speedy Entry go to one of the bs and press Ctrl-f (Windows) to flip
one of the ties.
Otherwise both b ties are on the identical position and it looks like
three ties.
Jan
Am 23.11.2016 um 15:30 schrieb Barbara Touburg:
> Hello,
>
> I have a four note chord (a, bb, bn, c). Naturally Finale
Hello,
I have a four note chord (a, bb, bn, c). Naturally Finale draws only 3
ties. Is there a way to force the fourth tie to show?
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When same notes with consecutive stems in opposite directions, do you know a
way to curve automaticaly ties away from the middle stave line?
Finale 2010.
Thanks
Pierre
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When I was running Finale 2003 I put trailing ties on ringing percussion notes
(e.g., gong or cymbal strokes that were to ring for their full values) by
using the note shape tool and selecting the proper value from the appropriate
font. I need to do this with some percussion notes now in
I add these symbols as articulations.
They might be predefined. If not, you can create them using Engraver Font Set
lowercase u and uppercase U. (I think... I'm not near my finale machine, so I'm
going off my memory...)
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On Apr 27, 2014, at 3:14 PM, arabus...@austin.rr.com
the characters you are referring to (by the sounds of it) are found
in engraver extras, so you would need to have the instrument defined
(in ScoreManager) to use that font to be able to access the noteheads
with l.v. (laisser vibrer [let ring]) symbols built into the notehead
character.
I use a T or shift-T in the simple entry mode, so I assume it's a tie, not a
slur.
Is there a way to distinguish between the two? I never use a slur mark.
Besides, a slur is a tie mark between two UNEQUAL pitches, It makes no sense to
put a slur between EQUAL pitches. If you know of any
Two points:
1. In Finale, slurs and ties are completely different. This is not a
comment about musical interpretation but rather a statement about how
Finale works. You can put a tie between unequal notes and you can put a
slur between equal notes. To use Finale effectively, you must understand
If you've been entering them with the T, then there is no doubt that
they are ties. Slurs would have been entered with the Smart Shape
tool. Finale doesn't care about rules so much; it would enter either
one on equal or unequal pitches. Whether they look any different
depends on your
An especially annoying behavior that I have encountered when using the
SmartScore lite scanning routines in Finale is that when a score you are
attempting to scan in has an accidental at the end of a measure, tied to the
same note in the next measure, the software never gets it right. For
Craig,
In the Special Tools, choose the Tie Tool (it's the second one from the bottom
on the left on my default palette.) Make sure you are in the same layer as the
note. Click the note in the second ending. Three handles should appear. Click
any one of the handles and hit command-F (on a Mac.
Craig,
FWIW, I WAS able to create a 2nd ending tie in Finale 2012 Mac using the
option-click method from Speed Entry. I then could use the Special Tools Ties
tool to flip the tie in either direction.
If you're not able to do this, I suspect file corruption. Because it DOES work.
J D Thomas
In the tie tool, the flip command was grayed out. I was able to drag
the middle handle to approximate the look of a flip. But I could not
get it to look like half a tie (i.e. the left handle being lower than
the right handle. The left and right handles seemed to do exactly the
same thing
If you copy the contents of the 1st ending (with a tie ending on the
first note) into the 2nd ending, the correct tie end will appear on
the first note of the 2nd ending. The ending/repeats must be created
before you copy the music.
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Maybe this is a Mac versus Windows thing, but that doesn't work for me.
As I read the doc, it seems to me that this command is supposed to do a
FULL tie back to the previous note. And that is exactly what it does on
my system -- ties back to the last note in the first ending, which is
wrong
Actually, I had not known about the option= keystroke until Chuck mentioned it.
Haven't had a chance to test it yet.
If the tie is in the wrong direction, can you use the flip option in Special
Tools to get it right?
J D Thomas
ThomaStudios
On Aug 1, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
No, I could not find any way to flip the tie. I ended up just removing
it because it was worst than having no end-tie at all.
The last note before the endings was second space with the stem up as
normal. I didn't override anything. The tie to the right of the last
measure before the endings
This is something that has always bugged me. There are many cases where
the last note before an ending ties, and the tie goes into the first
note of BOTH the first and second ending. In fact, that is the normal
case of a tie. In my view, it is invalid to right a tie going into the
first
It usually works for me to enter Opt./= on the first note of the second ending.
That is supposed to put a backwards half tie on the note and usually does.
There have been times (perhaps with older updated files) where that doesn't
work, and I have to use a hand slur adjusted to resemble the
Another way that often (but not always) works is to option-click in the 1st
measure of the 2nd ending (in the Speedy Tool) and check the Tie End box in
the geeky window that opens up.
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847 579-9900
847 579-9903 fax
Using the Speedy Entry tool, option-click on the measure in the 2nd ending
where you want the tie. This brings up a rather extensive dialog box with
many, many checkboxes. At the bottom there is a checkbox option called Tie
End. Check it. When you go back to your score, you'll see the tie.
/
From: Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Ties into second endings
It usually works for me to enter Opt./= on the first note of the second
ending. That is supposed to put a backwards half tie on the note and usually
Well first of all, if the two pitches are not the same, it's a SLUR, not a tie.
But I've noticed that when you change the pitch of a note
that IS tied, it breaks the tie - and then does not put the correct accidental
on the
other note.
When it plays the music back it gives you two pitches,
Well first of all, if the two pitches are not the same, it's a SLUR,
not a tie.
it would be a tie if the pitch change was to account for a key change
and the sounding note was the same but notated differently for the
context.
When you change the pitch of a tied note, it should change the
Hi, can anyone help me figure this out?
The measure preceding the coda sign ends with a quarter note tie-ing to the
coda measure. The first beat in the coda measure should have a tie leading
into it but because this measure is many measures after the actual measure
that had the tie, no tie
Yeah, this is a pain. There should be an easier way to do it, for
example you can set a backwards tie that stops at the barline in
Speedy with opt = but ONLY if you are in the second ending and there
is a note in the first ending! Strange restriction, wouldn't you say?
Complain about this
Dear list,
I'm working on an organ score with a lot of tenuto notes.
Do you know a way in Finale to break ties for stems (like breaking for
signatures or keys in document options / ties /)
Thanks for your responses.
Pierre.
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Dear list,
In document-options-ties, I see no difference when end before single
accidental is checked or not?
It will be great in the case of notes with accidentals tied from one line to
the next...
Thanks for your responses.
Pierre
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Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 17:22 Uhr dc wrote:
The Peters Urtext edition of the (manualiter) Toccatas, 1956, seems to
follow the rule. All my other volumes of organ works are Bärenreiter
(with one Breitkopf).
Thanks, that's what I needed to know.
The client has actually given in. He
Ken Durling wrote:
I agree, it's never been an issue for me either - more problematic is a
reiteration of the same note later in the 2nd measure, and whether the
measure rule applies from the tied note. But still the courtesy
accidental is always the safe road. (I do like curtsy accidental
dc wrote:
Darcy James Argue écrit:
I had the opposite instinct -- that a parenthesized courtesy
accidental on a tied note at the beginning of a measure would not
carry through the measure
But what if you don't use parentheses? Then it would carry through. One
more reason for not having
On 09 Sep 2005, at 5:09 AM, dhbailey wrote:
I can't recall where I've read this, but I'm sure a search of Stone
or Read or Ross will support it -- the later note in the second
measure requires an accidental. The rule about accidentals working
throughout the measure only applies when there
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 09 Sep 2005, at 5:09 AM, dhbailey wrote:
I can't recall where I've read this, but I'm sure a search of Stone
or Read or Ross will support it -- the later note in the second
measure requires an accidental. The rule about accidentals working
throughout the
On 09 Sep 2005, at 6:15 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 09 Sep 2005, at 5:09 AM, dhbailey wrote:
I can't recall where I've read this, but I'm sure a search of
Stone or Read or Ross will support it -- the later note in the
second measure requires an accidental. The
On 9 Sep 2005 at 6:21, Darcy James Argue wrote:
[So far, the thread seems to be leaning towards or not, especially
if the accidental in question is parenthesized.]
My feeling is that you don't really need a rule for this. All you
need is to ask yourself:
Is the notation unambiguous so that
In case anyone is interested I have now been forced to prove my case to
the client, so I looked at the following list of publications:
Mendelssohn, Hebriden-Ouvertüre, Bärenreiter, 2004.
Mozart, Marriage of Figaro, Peters 1941
Beethoven, Sinfonie Nr 6, Eulenburg 1986
Bach, Wohltemperiertes
I have three nearly complete editions of the Bach
organ works, (Barenreiter, EMB, Peters and a few
Schirmers) including most of the Peters - I'll
check later as this has my curiosity now, but
they are at church not here at home.
Ken
At 08:22 AM 9/8/2005, you wrote:
Johannes Gebauer
I was fascinated with this thread, 'coz I never thought it is an issue.
I always put curtsy repeated accidental with parenthesis (hit '*' then
'P') so we save rehearsal/studio time.
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On 17:22 Uhr dc wrote:
The Peters Urtext edition of the (manualiter) Toccatas, 1956, seems
to follow the rule. All my other volumes of organ works are
Bärenreiter (with one Breitkopf).
Thanks, that's what I needed to know.
The client has actually given in. He actually checked his own
If you mean you do this for system breaks, you can use Robert's TieMover
plugin, it can do this automatically. I let it do this in the same run
as I move ties on lines a quarter space away from the note (it's amazing
that Finale can now do this for slurs, but requires a third party plugin
to
I agree, it's never been an issue for me either - more problematic is
a reiteration of the same note later in the 2nd measure, and whether
the measure rule applies from the tied note. But still the courtesy
accidental is always the safe road. (I do like curtsy accidental
though :-) -
dc / 2005/09/08 / 12:05 PM wrote:
I think I've always seen it without the brackets.
To me, without parenthesis, it can be confused with slurred instead of
tied, no?
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On Sep 8, 2005, at 8:57 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:The client has actually given in. He actually checked his own Peters, and to his surprise found that I was correct...Of course now his trust in me has quadrupled. Took me a whole day, though.Only a day? I'd consider that a speed record! :-)Chuck
On 18:10 Uhr Ken Durling wrote:
I agree, it's never been an issue for me either - more problematic is
a reiteration of the same note later in the 2nd measure, and whether
the measure rule applies from the tied note. But still the courtesy
accidental is always the safe road.
Do you mean you
I had the opposite instinct -- that a parenthesized courtesy
accidental on a tied note at the beginning of a measure would not
carry through the measure, and if it's e.g., an Eb, the next Eb in
the measure would require a (non-courtesy) accidental.
But it would be nice to know what others
Darcy James Argue / 2005/09/08 / 12:41 PM wrote:
I had the opposite instinct -- that a parenthesized courtesy
accidental on a tied note at the beginning of a measure would not
carry through the measure, and if it's e.g., an Eb, the next Eb in
the measure would require a (non-courtesy)
Well, I'm not entirely sure being on system break or not affects this
question. If an accidental is tied across a barline it seems to me
it raises the question of subsequent identical pitches in the
following bar in either case, so that adding an accidental - probably
NOT courtesy but normal
At 9/8/2005 01:04 PM, Ken Durling wrote:
Well, I'm not entirely sure being on system break or not affects this
question. If an accidental is tied across a barline it seems to me
it raises the question of subsequent identical pitches in the
following bar in either case, so that adding an
On 8 Sep 2005 at 16:30, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
If anyone has the time I would really be interested if a (any) Peters
publication of Bach Organ works follows this, sometimes or all the
times, or not at all, since he seems to claim that they don't. I
cannot check this since I don't own one.
On Sep 8, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
I had the opposite instinct -- that a parenthesized courtesy
accidental on a tied note at the beginning of a measure would not
carry through the measure, and if it's e.g., an Eb, the next Eb in
the measure would require a (non-courtesy)
On 8 Sep 2005 at 17:22, dc wrote:
Johannes Gebauer écrit:
If anyone has the time I would really be interested if a (any) Peters
publication of Bach Organ works follows this, sometimes or all the
times, or not at all, since he seems to claim that they don't. I
cannot check this since I don't
On 19:04 Uhr Ken Durling wrote:
Well, I'm not entirely sure being on system break or not affects this
question. If an accidental is tied across a barline it seems to me
it raises the question of subsequent identical pitches in the
following bar in either case, so that adding an accidental -
Yes, I follow you and concur for the tied note. I was just talking
about subsequent iterations of the pitch.
Ken
At 12:05 PM 9/8/2005, you wrote:
On 19:04 Uhr Ken Durling wrote:
Well, I'm not entirely sure being on system break or not affects
this question. If an accidental is tied across
Figured I'd pull out the old Stravinsky Sacre score, the Kalmus reprint
that I bought in the 1960s. Not exactly a monument to engraving, but very
legible in general, considering how much is going on.
So no answer. It goes both ways. The English Horn line from p1-2
repeats the sharp as does
On 20:57 Uhr David W. Fenton wrote:
The Peters volume that I was looking at is a reprint of one of their
old editions, with a preface dated 1852, so one might guess that the
musical text reflects much older engraving rules.
This reflects my observations as well. I have here a volume of
Interesting. I have the IMC score, and although the pagination is
different, I can see that they follow a similar practice - but here
accidentals are only rarely repeated on ties over system breaks. I've
only found one example so far. Lots of non-repeated ones.
Ken
At 12:14 PM 9/8/2005,
On Sep 7, 2005, at 4:54 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
I can't find this in Ted Ross, and am looking for a rule: When a tie
reaches across a System break, should an accidental be repeated on the
second note?
My policy is to do this only following a page turn.
Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music
I had the opposite instinct -- that a parenthesized courtesy
accidental on a tied note at the beginning of a measure would not
carry through the measure, and if it's e.g., an Eb, the next Eb in the
measure would require a (non-courtesy) accidental.
But it would be nice to know what others do
Darcy James Argue écrit:
I had the opposite instinct -- that a parenthesized courtesy
accidental on a tied note at the beginning of a measure would not
carry through the measure
But what if you don't use parentheses? Then it would carry through.
One more reason for not having them...
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
I can't find this in Ted Ross, and am looking for a rule: When a tie
reaches across a System break, should an accidental be repeated on the
second note? I know it can be, but can someone look this up in the other
standard treatises for me, or point me to the right page
At 05:13 PM 09/07/2005, dhbailey wrote:
I can't find any specific reference to what you're asking in either Ross
or Kurt Stone and Gardner Read's book isn't right at hand for me to
check,
Since David has done most of this research, the least I can do is
flip open Read. g
...The one
dhbailey wrote:
I can't find any specific reference to what you're asking in either Ross
or Kurt Stone and Gardner Read's book isn't right at hand for me to
check, but my 2-cents' worth on it is that you should repeat the
accidental, since it's not always clear that the curved line at the
At 10:54 PM 9/7/05 +0200, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
I can't find this in Ted Ross, and am looking for a rule: When a tie
reaches across a System break, should an accidental be repeated on the
second note? I know it can be, but can someone look this up in the other
standard treatises for me, or
On 07.09.2005 23:13 Uhr Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
I'm interested in this answer also. Often if I leave the accidental
out (which is what I've usually done), performers ask for it to be
inserted in the next printing of parts -- or I see it penciled in on
parts.
You can use Robert's
d. collins wrote:
I have two tied notes followed by a third note: should the slur ending
on the third note start on the first or the second of the tied notes.
FWIW, both Garner Read (page 267) and Kurt Ross (page 141) mentions a
tie not covered completely by the slur as incorrect. But of course
I just looked up a couple of volumes from the Mozart complete edition at
random, and they consistently start the slur on the second note of two
tied over notes. I think the problem is that both Read and Ross follow a
early 20th century tradition. From that point of view they are both
correct.
I don't think there is a distinction, though. I have never seen an
edition where the two are mixed.
Johannes
d. collins wrote:
Jari Williamsson écrit:
FWIW, both Garner Read (page 267) and Kurt Ross (page 141) mentions a
tie not covered completely by the slur as incorrect. But of course
this
I think this is a good decision, in line with most (European)
publications of this sort and this day. I would almost certainly do the
same.
Johannes
d. collins wrote:
Thanks to all for the valuable advice, and in particular to Johannes for
explaining both options in this situation.
The source
Jari Williamsson wrote:
d. collins wrote:
I have two tied notes followed by a third note: should the slur ending
on the third note start on the first or the second of the tied notes.
FWIW, both Garner Read (page 267) and Kurt Ross (page 141) mentions a
tie not covered completely by the slur as
John Poole [Finale Discussion] wrote:
Could you clarify which of Garner Read's books you are citing to?
I am aware of six books he has written and suspect you are referencing
the book entitled Source Book of Proposed Music Notation Reforms
[I'm quoting since underline/italics is not available].
I
d. collins wrote:
I have two tied notes followed by a third note: should the slur ending
on the third note start on the first or the second of the tied notes.
That depends. 18th and early 19th century tradition in prints is usually
to have the slur start on the second note. Later 19th and early
d. collins wrote:
I have two tied notes followed by a third note: should the slur ending
on the third note start on the first or the second of the tied notes.
And a related question: if one uses so-called European ties that look
like slurs and a note has both a tie and a slur starting (or
dhbailey wrote:
d. collins wrote:
I have two tied notes followed by a third note: should the slur ending
on the third note start on the first or the second of the tied notes.
The slur should begin with the first of the two tied notes.
I don't think there are any grounds for a generalization
At 9:58 PM +0200 10/23/04, d. collins wrote:
I have two tied notes followed by a third note: should the slur
ending on the third note start on the first or the second of the
tied notes.
And a related question: if one uses so-called European ties that
look like slurs and a note has both a tie
John Howell wrote:
At 9:58 PM +0200 10/23/04, d. collins wrote:
I have two tied notes followed by a third note: should the slur ending
on the third note start on the first or the second of the tied notes.
And a related question: if one uses so-called European ties that
look like slurs and a
Hi All:
How do I put a tie end at the beginning of a line when the key
signature changes.
I know that you can put a tie end in place by clicking on a note
with option. It gives you a large number of options, one of which is
tie end. I can't get it to work with a key change.
I am using FinMac
Hi All:
How do I put a tie end at the beginning of a line when the key
signature changes.
I know that you can put a tie end in place by clicking on a note with
option. It gives you a large number of options, one of which is tie
end. I can't get it to work with a key change.
I am using FinMac
Bob Florence wrote:
Hi All:
How do I put a tie end at the beginning of a line when the key signature
changes.
I know that you can put a tie end in place by clicking on a note with
option. It gives you a large number of options, one of which is tie
end. I can't get it to work with a key change.
Is this in a repeat? I tried it and it looks like it is there, but it
doesn't display on the screen. Does it print? I'll try it when I get to
the studio in a little while...
Hi All:
How do I put a tie end at the beginning of a line when the key
signature changes.
I know that you can
Bob,
There may be a way to do this that someone else knows, but I have not had success using the tie tool when something like a key change gets in the way. Instead, when the tie tool does not work for a backwards tie end, I simply draw one with the slur tool. It's not the most elegant solution
I believe you found a bug. I just tried putting a tie end in a bar with
a key change. It shows up using speedy entry, but does not print nor
display.
Perhaps this needs to be sent to Finale Support, as it appears in the
Windows and Macintosh versions of Finale 2005.
Bob Florence wrote:
Hi
In a message dated 9/18/04 2:20:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I believe you found a bug. I just tried putting a tie end in a bar with
a key change. It shows up using speedy entry, but does not print nor
display.
Perhaps this needs to be sent to Finale Support, as it appears in the
Windows
I think this has been a bug for a long time, no? Like maybe ever since
version 1, when I first bought the software.
RW
On Saturday, September 18, 2004, at 12:19 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
I believe you found a bug. I just tried putting a tie end in a bar
with a key change. It shows up using
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Subject: Re: [Finale] Ties
Do you have a suggestion for what a good setting for that would be?
Jane
On Sep 6, 2004, at 1:28 PM, Klaas de Jong wrote:
And: forgot to mention this: options/doc. opt./music spacing/minimum
distance between tied notes...
cheers.
kdj
From: Klaas de Jong [EMAIL
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Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 20:44:18 +0200
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Finale] Ties
Hello Jane,
I would make the measures a bit larger, apart from: document/tie
options,
mass edit/change ties and/or special tools/tie tool.
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And: forgot to mention this: options/doc. opt./music spacing/minimum
distance between tied notes...
Do you have a suggestion for what a good setting for that would be?
I use 48 evpu. That's assuming zero for H Tie Placement for inner ties.
mdl
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Thanks for the ideas. The first suggestion about music spacing options
didn't make any difference.
I tried a few things with the tie options but didn't get any better
results. Here are links to a couple examples. If anyone has any ideas I
would appreciate it.
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I am using Finale 2004 on Mac, OS 10.3.5. It seems like ties in the
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On Sep 3, 2004, at 7:26 PM, Jane Frasier wrote:
I am using Finale 2004 on Mac, OS 10.3.5. It seems like ties in the
piece I am working on look awful. If I have chord of 3 notes tied, the
middle tie is way too narrow. Also if a chord with 4 notes, with the
interval of a second in the middle,
On 29.05.2004 16:22 Uhr, d. collins wrote
A question for those of you who use so-called European style ties - i.e.
ties that start and finish at the same places as slurs, rather then between
the two notes: should the shape of these ties be basically the same as that
of slurs? In other words,
On 29.05.2004 16:47 Uhr, d. collins wrote
Thanks, Johannes, but my question was about the shape of ties and slurs:
should they be the same? The only reason I mentioned putting both a tie and
a slur was to compare the shapes. I have the feeling that in some
publications slurs are arched a bit
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