On 15.01.2007 John Howell wrote:
Doesn't matter if it's taxes, or direct subsidy as in Europe.
Not to disagree, but what, exactly, is the difference between paying for
something by taxes, or directly subsidising it. I always assumed direct
subsidies, by definition, came from the taxes,
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 15.01.2007 John Howell wrote:
Doesn't matter if it's taxes, or direct subsidy as in Europe.
Not to disagree, but what, exactly, is the difference between paying for
something by taxes, or directly subsidising it. I always assumed direct
subsidies, by definition,
dhbailey wrote:
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 15.01.2007 John Howell wrote:
Doesn't matter if it's taxes, or direct subsidy as in Europe.
Not to disagree, but what, exactly, is the difference between paying
for something by taxes, or directly subsidising it. I always assumed
direct
Aaron Rabushka wrote:
Has anyone had the experience of invoking score optimization and having your
work apparently scattered by the four winds? I did this a couple days ago
and found bits of my stuff in the oddest places in the score--wrong octaves,
scattered time signatures, wrong staves, a
On 15.01.2007 dhbailey wrote:
Taxes we have no choice on paying (well we actually do have a choice but most
of us don't want to spend time in prison), and we don't all get equal access to
the benefits, whereas directly subsidizing something through direct payment for
it is a personal choice
At 02:41 AM 1/15/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/14/2007 10:34:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How did this get on the list?
Is this some kind of virus?
It's probably *exactly* what this guy says it isn't: a phishing expedition.
No, it's not
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 15.01.2007 dhbailey wrote:
Taxes we have no choice on paying (well we actually do have a choice
but most of us don't want to spend time in prison), and we don't all
get equal access to the benefits, whereas directly subsidizing
something through direct payment for
Dear all -
I'm sorry for my recent Plaxo request to the entire list - that was an
error. If I do that again in the future, I will try to remember to
remove Finale-list from the address!
Thanks for your patience!
(Mr.) Jamin Hoffman
209 Madero Dr.
Thiensville, WI 53092
(262) 236-4244
[EMAIL
I am using Finale 2003.
Aaron J. Rabushka
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://users.waymark.net/arabushk
- Original Message -
From: dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 5:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] scrambled scores
Aaron Rabushka wrote:
Has anyone had
You updated the score for spacing changes?
Jerry
Gerald Berg
On 15-Jan-07, at 11:35 AM, Aaron Rabushka wrote:
I am using Finale 2003.
Aaron J. Rabushka
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From: dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent:
On 1/15/07, dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All this means there are still huge problems with Finale and anything that
has to do with Postscript.
A friend of mine told me that a code fix for at least one of the
issues (the one where I port to a P.S. file; and Finale only messes
up embedding the
On 1/15/07, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The big orchestras in Germany may get a lot of subsidies compared to
the US,but it is still tax, and nothing else.
What a contrast: the German government spends about 102 dollars per
citizen, in support of the arts. The United States, by
At 4:45 AM + 1/15/07, Jamin Hoffman wrote:
Finale-list,
Hello! This is Jamin from Milwaukee, not a phishing
expedition! I am updating my on-line e-mail list, so if you
would please take the time to check your information, update
whatever needs to be updated, and then follow the
Ah, good point. That seems more in the ballpark to me. BTW, the site
Hamilton Greg directed me to,
http://www.clc-lcc.ca/index_en.php
produced a very complete commission contract one can download as a
PDF. All of which begs the question for Mac users, can one copy a PDF
file and move it
All of which begs the question for Mac users,
can one copy a PDF
file and move it into an Appleworks doc in a fashion
which can then
be edited? I'd like to use this contract, but
several changes would
have to be made.
If you go to google and search for commission
contract musical
Spacing changes? I optimized the staves. Does that accomplish this?
Aaron J. Rabushka
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://users.waymark.net/arabushk
- Original Message -
From: Gerald Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] scrambled
Dean,
Using Adobe Acrobat 7.0 Professional you can save a PDF in (among
other formats) MS Word, Rich Text and Plain Text., all of which can
probably be opened in Apple Works.
Hope this helps!
Fiedler
Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler)
On 15.01.2007 Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
Post Script has been around a long long time, so I can't understand
what's so hard for MM to get this to work. It's not rocket science.
No, but to be fair, part of it was broken several times by new windows
versions.
Johannes
--
David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
The autograph says only Contra Basso and there is no title in
Mozart's hand (Gran Partita is in someone else's hand on the
autograph). Indeed, the autograph has no title at all in Mozart's
hand, so it's only from the generic plan that one can place it
Don't concern yourself, Jamin - but do remember:
If, in the future it actually DOES happen again -- we now all know where to
find you.;)
Best,
Mr. A. Nonymous
Les Marsden
Founding Music Director and Conductor,
The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
Music and Mariposa? Ah, Paradise!!!
On 15 Jan 2007 at 8:37, dhbailey wrote:
And then there is another way of viewing things: the military bands
don't get specific subsidies to exist, they're part of the overall
military budget and the members receive the same military pay as
everybody else at the same pay grade, regardless of
On Jan 14, 2007, at 7:47 PM, John Howell wrote:
Orchestras, however, tended to provide entertainment for the upper
classes (including their use in opera and ballet), and
bands--especially military bands--for the middle and lower classes.
I have always found this distinction simplistic at
On Jan 14, 2007, at 6:04 PM, John Howell wrote:
When did they stop composing Gregorian chant? They didn't!
Oh yes they did. They stopped composing it when Charlemagne and the
church together started enforcing its fixity and uniformity in the 9th
c. Of course composing continued thereafter,
On 15 Jan 2007 at 19:02, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 15.01.2007 Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
Post Script has been around a long long time, so I can't understand
what's so hard for MM to get this to work. It's not rocket science.
No, but to be fair, part of it was broken several times by new
On Jan 14, 2007, at 8:15 PM, John Howell wrote:
I wonder, though, when the separation between country folk and town
(rather than city) folk might have happened historically. Could we be
looking at the start of the Early Modern period (a term which music
historians generally don't use),
On 15.01.2007 David W. Fenton wrote:
Certainly the orchestra before c1750 was very, very
different from the modern orchestra (in reality, I'd say it was a
completely different animal).
I completely agree. I have come to the conclusion that anything but
single or double string forces
On 1/15/07, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, but to be fair, part of it was broken several times by new windows
versions.
*Blinks*
You're kiddin' me, right?
I've been using post script technology successfully on my PC since 2000.
It's 2007, how much time does MM need to get it
Nope. Look under the edit menu -- on mac it's -- Mass mover
tool--select all ---then command backslash.
Jerry
On 15-Jan-07, at 1:02 PM, Aaron Rabushka wrote:
Spacing changes? I optimized the staves. Does that accomplish this?
Aaron J. Rabushka
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 1/15/07, Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have always found this distinction simplistic at best. Orchestras
began to break out of aristocratic boundaries almost immediately
(Corelli gave public concerts), and in London there were multiple,
competing orchestras aimed at various
Hey, Eric ... yes, that worked. Many thanks.
Dean
On Jan 15, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Eric Fiedler wrote:
Dean,
Using Adobe Acrobat 7.0 Professional you can save a PDF in (among
other formats) MS Word, Rich Text and Plain Text., all of which can
probably be opened in Apple Works.
Hope this
On 15.01.2007 David W. Fenton wrote:
I don't doubt your observation, but it does show incompetence on the
part of the Finale programmers. There is *nothing* built into Windows
that knows a damned thing about PostScript (unlike on the Mac, where
it's fundamental to the OS). The only part of the
Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
[snip]
too long. Imagine Donald Trump doing that at the Met ;)
As a matter of fact, unfortunately I can imagine him doing that at the
Met, standing up in the middle of some gorgeous aria and simply shouting
out, spit flying everywhere and his hair it's usual
On 1/15/07, dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But it's still not working right. This is one of the most pathetic
bugs I've ever seen in any program. We do have textured paper,
though, so we can't complain.
Well in one method, where I print to a generic PS file then open that
in Illustrator, ALMOST
On Jan 15, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
All of which begs the question for Mac users, can one copy a PDF
file and move it into an Appleworks doc in a fashion which can then
be edited?
From Adobe Reader, File - Save as Text
That will then import into Appleworks (or Pages).
On 15 Jan 2007 at 14:56, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
The London orchestral public concerts didn't really start until the
J.C. Bach / Abel academies; and that was pretty late in the game. The
only concert series I can think of in London that had competition
were the ones in the early 1790s, almost
On 1/15/07, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, it's important to realize that London was really unique among
European cities in developing a commercial culture and a modern
middle class, as well as in having a publishing industry protected by
the first copyright law in Europe. I
On 15 Jan 2007 at 12:43, Dick Hauser wrote:
On Jan 15, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
All of which begs the question for Mac users, can one copy a PDF
file and move it into an Appleworks doc in a fashion which can then
be edited?
From Adobe Reader, File - Save as Text
At 8:37 AM -0500 1/15/07, dhbailey wrote:
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 15.01.2007 dhbailey wrote:
Taxes we have no choice on paying (well we actually do have a
choice but most of us don't want to spend time in prison), and we
don't all get equal access to the benefits, whereas directly
At 1:17 PM -0500 1/15/07, David W. Fenton wrote:
I have had the impression that US government arts funding is
minuscule in comparison to the actual budgets of the large arts
organizations.
Another, quite different facet of this discussion just occurred to
me. (Thanks, David!)
This is a
At 1:43 PM -0500 1/15/07, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Jan 14, 2007, at 6:04 PM, John Howell wrote:
When did they stop composing Gregorian chant? They didn't!
Oh yes they did. They stopped composing it when Charlemagne and the
church together started enforcing its fixity and uniformity in the
At 7:45 PM +0100 1/15/07, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
That is not to say there were no larger orchestral performances.
Handel's Messiah is a good example.
Oh?? I doubt his orchestra was more than 20, and about the same for
his chorus. Mozart was the first to start expanding the size of the
At 2:56 PM -0500 1/15/07, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
On 1/15/07, Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have always found this distinction simplistic at best. Orchestras
began to break out of aristocratic boundaries almost immediately
(Corelli gave public concerts), and in London there were
On 15 Jan 2007 at 17:22, John Howell wrote:
At 7:45 PM +0100 1/15/07, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
That is not to say there were no larger orchestral performances.
Handel's Messiah is a good example.
Oh?? I doubt his orchestra was more than 20, and about the same for
his chorus. Mozart was
On 15 Jan 2007 at 16:11, John Howell wrote:
1. The arts cost money, unless you are talking about community
music, community theater etc. where everyone volunteers their time and
talents and they do it for enjoyment. I'm involved in three such
organizations in which no one gets paid, a
On 15 Jan 2007 at 17:54, John Howell wrote:
At 2:56 PM -0500 1/15/07, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
Germany's free cities had municipal musicians on their payroll, but
Zaslaw points to very very meager personnel lists*, these were hardly
orchestras.
Ah, but those could be supplemented by
And don't forget Beethoven's comment about being able to perform his
Eroica with a scant bakers' dozen string players.
Aaron J. Rabushka
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Kim Patrick Clow:
VThe electress of Saxony halted a
performance of Zelinka's Lamentations because she complained it was
too long. Imagine Donald Trump doing that at the Met ;)
Don't give 'im any ideas!
Aaron J. Rabushka
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On 1/15/07, John Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
replied with some thoughts about the examples I provided.
Remember, all I suggested was that the examples of London and Corelli
were exceptions. You misunderstood my points about the sizes of the
orchestras, not that they weren't orchestras My
On 15.01.2007 David W. Fenton wrote:
I don't have the references handy, but I'm pretty sure there was at
least one performance of Messiah in Handel's lifetime with Handel's
participation where the orchestra and chorus were both large in the
modern sense, i.e., 100+ players and 200+ singers.
On 15.01.2007 John Howell wrote:
That is not to say there were no larger orchestral performances. Handel's
Messiah is a good example.
Oh?? I doubt his orchestra was more than 20, and about the same for his
chorus. Mozart was the first to start expanding the size of the Messiah
orchestra.
At 5:57 PM -0500 1/15/07, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 15 Jan 2007 at 17:22, John Howell wrote:
At 7:45 PM +0100 1/15/07, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
That is not to say there were no larger orchestral performances.
Handel's Messiah is a good example.
Oh?? I doubt his orchestra was more than
On 15 Jan 2007 at 18:48, John Howell wrote:
At 5:57 PM -0500 1/15/07, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 15 Jan 2007 at 17:22, John Howell wrote:
At 7:45 PM +0100 1/15/07, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
That is not to say there were no larger orchestral performances.
Handel's Messiah is a good
On 1/15/07, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I believe Johannes or Kim said (in reference to the Haydn
oratorios), these kinds of gargantuan performances in the 18th
century were very often benefit concerts.
Johannes brought this up, but you're right-- the Haydn concerts were
At 6:06 PM -0500 1/15/07, David W. Fenton wrote:
You shouldn't assume that even community music organizations are
unpade. When I was in high school I played in the Carlinville
Municipal Band. It was subsidized by the AFM Music Performance Trust
Fund (whose purpose was to promote live music, and
On 15 Jan 2007 at 21:01, Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
On 1/15/07, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As I believe Johannes or Kim said (in reference to the Haydn
oratorios), these kinds of gargantuan performances in the 18th
century were very often benefit concerts.
Johannes brought
On 1/15/07, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On the contrary, I'm pretty sure there was at least one in which
Handel himself participated. Johannes recalled this as well, but
neither of us have citations for it at hand.
I'm pretty sure there weren't. Of course, this depends on your
Has anyone run into the situation in Finale 2007 wherein it's impossible
to change time signatures?
I need to change 2 bars at the end of a piece from 4/4 to 5/4 (and no
it's not for handbells). However, no matter what I do: double click,
right-click etc. etc. it remains stuck on 4/4.
I'm still on Finale 2003, but what works for me is the time signature tool
rather than the measure tool. Checking the re-bar music box may save you a
step.
Aaron J. Rabushka
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From: Matthew Hindson fastmail acct
At 12:28 AM +0100 1/16/07, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 15.01.2007 David W. Fenton wrote:
I don't have the references handy, but I'm pretty sure there was at
least one performance of Messiah in Handel's lifetime with Handel's
participation where the orchestra and chorus were both large in the
Matthew Hindson wrote:
Has anyone run into the situation in Finale 2007 wherein it's
impossible to change time signatures?
I need to change 2 bars at the end of a piece from 4/4 to 5/4 (and
no it's not for handbells). However, no matter what I do: double
click, right-click etc. etc. it
On 16.01.2007 Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
I'm pretty sure there weren't. Of course, this depends on your definition of
huge. But large scale performances did not take place until the
1780s, in the United Kingdoms.
Well, the Fireworks was performed with 16 oboes, that is pretty large
but again,
On 16.01.2007 Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
Johannes brought this up, but you're right-- the Haydn concerts were
benefits; and most of the musicians donated their services.
Well, strictly speaking they didn't donate their services. Instead they
took part to qualify for the Witwer und Waisen fund.
On 16.01.2007 John Howell wrote:
That's also what I had in mind, and I have always thought that the ripieno
indications were for this purpose.
Is memory betraying me?
Concertino and ripieno go back at least to Corelli's concertos (which Handel
certainly would have known), and had nothing
On 16.01.2007 Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
The only areas that could mount public concerts that were able to pay
for themselves completely by the box office sales (and NOT support by
a nobleman), were in London, Paris, Vienna. The really big concerts
didn't happen until nearly the end of the 18th
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