Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread Jari Williamsson
On 2012-04-19 03:05, dershem wrote: > For one thing, I could not upgrade on-line. I simply would NOT > function, so even though I bought the upgrade on-line, I had to pay > extra for a CD. Windows with anti-virus program active? Best regards, Jari Williamsson

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread dershem
On 4/18/2012 7:22 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: > > On Wed Apr 18, at WednesdayApr 18 9:05 PM, dershem wrote: > >> On 4/18/2012 12:03 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: >>> >>> carl, i am about to upgrade a few things, including finale, and >>> wonder if you could tell me what you found so disastrous moving

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread dershem
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Re: [Finale] tuplets defined per staff

2012-04-18 Thread Giovanni Andreani
A very interesting feature, this would be! I haven't got this need at the moment but would like to see if there is a solution too. Giovanni Giovanni Andreani www.giovanniandreani.eu >Hi list, >I prefer to have tuplet brackets on the stem side, except for vocal music >where I prefer

[Finale] tuplets defined per staff

2012-04-18 Thread Ryan
Hi list, I prefer to have tuplet brackets on the stem side, except for vocal music where I prefer to have them always above the staff in order to avoid lyrics. In the piano vocal score I'm working on now, is there a way to define tuplets in the vocal staff to automatically be placed above the staff

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread Robert Patterson
Just to iterate this further, I visited the IMSLP site and looked at the horn and trumpet parts for Lohengrin. It calls for horns transposing in (at various times in 4 horn parts) E, D, Eb, F, G, Ab, A, C, Bb and trumpet transpositions in C, D, Eb, E, and F. Entering that many transpositions for t

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread Christopher Smith
On Wed Apr 18, at WednesdayApr 18 9:05 PM, dershem wrote: > On 4/18/2012 12:03 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: >> >> carl, i am about to upgrade a few things, including finale, and >> wonder if you could tell me what you found so disastrous moving from >> 2010 to 2012 (which is what i would be doing

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread Christopher Smith
I agree that the instruments should be there in the default file, but my point was that it is doable and not too hard. It isn't a dealbreaker for upgrading to 2012. Once you do it, it is very easy to select it the second time the same instrument appears. It is no harder to create a horn in D tha

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread Chuck Israels
Carl, I have been using 2012 for months without problems (except for an issue with Lion compatibility for the paste multiple keyboard shortcut). I no longer extract separate parts, so that may explain my ignorance of those problems. Piano parts arrive by default with "Hide Normally" deselecte

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread Ryan Beard
Yes, but it gets complicated when you have a piece with horn in D and horn in E and horn in F, and their bass clef counterparts, like so many 19th century pieces. If MakeMusic can preload the Vuvuzela in the instrument list, they should certainly include standard horn and trumpet transpositions

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread Christopher Smith
Yes, the procedure I outlined is to do just that. It isn't preloaded, but it isn't all that difficult. Make this change in your default document and you shouldn't have to do it again. Actually, I haven't checked to see if it saves to my default doc. But I'm hoping it will work! Christopher O

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread dershem
On 4/18/2012 12:03 AM, SN jef chippewa wrote: > > carl, i am about to upgrade a few things, including finale, and > wonder if you could tell me what you found so disastrous moving from > 2010 to 2012 (which is what i would be doing soon). For one thing, I could not upgrade on-line. I simply would

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread Ryan Beard
The issue is changing to an instrument that isn't already preloaded. For example, Horn in D, Horn in E, etc. On Apr 18, 2012, at 4:36 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: > > On Wed Apr 18, at WednesdayApr 18 2:19 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > >> I am sure Carl can speak for himself, but my recolle

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread Christopher Smith
On Wed Apr 18, at WednesdayApr 18 2:19 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > I am sure Carl can speak for himself, but my recollection was that it was > the transposition problem. If you are entering big 19th scores in Finale, > 2012 is a non-starter because of this problem, esp. if an earlier version >

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread David McKay
Bonjour Raglan. Raglan is the name of a village which is en route to Sydney, from Bathurst, where I live. Wondering if you have ever transcribed The London Derrière? And, slightly on topic, we used FinWin 2004b for many years, but upgraded to FinWin2011 and enjoy its comparative simplicity, thoug

Re: [Finale] Is FINALE worth continuing?

2012-04-18 Thread Richard Huggins
On Apr 16, 2012, at 2:24 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > Does Finale have a Facebook page for discussion? I have one but it was little used. If a shift to it was desired I would bring it up to date and be an active moderator There a couple others besides mine, I think.It was migrated by Fac

Re: [Finale] Why do my messages keep bouncing?

2012-04-18 Thread rglan
At 11:35 AM -0400 18/4/12, bill sinclair wrote: >How can I make them go through? I'd get rid of AOL tout de suite :-! raglan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Awkward key signature menu

2012-04-18 Thread John Howell
At 12:36 PM -0400 4/18/12, bill sinclair wrote: >They have a really awkward feature that I wish would be fixed - - - > >When you request a key signature, it makes a distinction between a >major key and a minor key with the exact same pattern of sharps and >flats. For example, they call C minor a DI

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread Claude Guéganno
Goood! +1 bien vu! I think , you had the last word ! Le 18/04/2012 21:18, rglan a écrit : > 18/04/2012 20:11, raglan a écrit : >> "It's rarely used in France these days, >> has gone out of fashion," > At 8:51 PM +0200 18/4/12, Claude Guéganno wrote: >> not in Brittany ! > Bretagne n'est pas la Fra

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread rglan
18/04/2012 20:11, raglan a écrit : >"It's rarely used in France these days, >has gone out of fashion," At 8:51 PM +0200 18/4/12, Claude Guéganno wrote: >not in Brittany ! Bretagne n'est pas la France ;-) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://l

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread Claude Guéganno
"It's rarely used in France these days, has gone out of fashion," not in Brittany ! http://www.andouille-guemene.com/cadre.htm (the most famous in the world) I like this "Andouille mailing list" kenavo ! claude Le 18/04/2012 20:11, rglan a écrit : > At 12:26 PM -0400 18/4/12, écri

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread rglan
At 2:24 PM -0400 18/4/12, David H. Bailey wrote: >Nope, I didn't take offense. :-) raglan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread rglan
At 6:36 PM + 18/4/12, Williams, Jim wrote: >French equivalent of Haggis, is it then? A slightly paler version, I think Haggis is probably closer to the Greek Kokoretsi raglan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/lis

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread Williams, Jim
French equivalent of Haggis, is it then? Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. On Apr 18, 2012, at 2:34 PM, "David H. Bailey" wrote: > On 4/18/2012 2:11 PM, rglan wrote: >> At 12:26 PM -0400 18/4/12, écrit: >>> a kind of sausage >> >> Oui, porc flesh mixed with chopped tripe a

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread David H. Bailey
On 4/18/2012 2:11 PM, rglan wrote: > At 12:26 PM -0400 18/4/12, écrit: >> a kind of sausage > > Oui, porc flesh mixed with chopped tripe and > herbs and put inside the intestine :-) > In the 12th c. this word also denoted the male > sexe ;-) And I hope David H. Bailey didn't take > offense; unlik

Re: [Finale] Awkward key signature menu

2012-04-18 Thread Raymond Horton
Right - as I posted just a minute ago. I understand the difference, I was surprised to see that it was not happening as I remembered. What I believe has changed is what the "default" setting is, at least leading up to WinFin 2011. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of

Re: [Finale] Awkward key signature menu

2012-04-18 Thread Raymond Horton
Hmm, I think the default may have been different between major and minor in older versions, but in my WinFin 2011, input in major vs. minor did not make any difference - until, a couple of minutes ago, I went to the Edit/Enharmonic Spelling menu and checked "Use Spelling Tables." The "default" set

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread Robert Patterson
BTW: Fin2012 does have some linked parts improvements with respect to how it works with plugins. For expressions, page titles, and (I believe) smart shapes, if you edit them in part view it unlinks them from the score. This makes using existing plugins more palatable as well as opening up opportuni

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread rglan
At 12:35 PM -0500 18/4/12, Robert Patterson wrote: >Upgrading files from 1988 will be a challenge. :-( Merci beaucoup for all the pointers. >This may require you to have an antique Macinstosh Plenty of those lying around :-) I have a Macinstash ;-) >2002 did a much better job than later version

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread Robert Patterson
I am sure Carl can speak for himself, but my recollection was that it was the transposition problem. If you are entering big 19th scores in Finale, 2012 is a non-starter because of this problem, esp. if an earlier version is available. The transposition problem is that Fin2012 forces you to change

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread rglan
At 12:26 PM -0400 18/4/12, écrit: >a kind of sausage Oui, porc flesh mixed with chopped tripe and herbs and put inside the intestine :-) In the 12th c. this word also denoted the male sexe ;-) And I hope David H. Bailey didn't take offense; unlike most French people I tend to use this word

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread SN jef chippewa
yeah all features robert mentioned are of interest to me and seem to make the upgrade worth doing, was curious why carl reverted to 2010, what problems he (or anyone else) found when upgrading from 2010 (or even 2011, which i don't have) to 2012. i plan to completely rebuild my template and pr

Re: [Finale] Awkward key signature menu

2012-04-18 Thread Darcy James Argue
You must not have had "Use Spelling Tables" turned on. Try turning that on, and then enter a G melodic minor scale with a key signature of Bb major, then with a key signature of G minor. You'll see that in Bb, it's spelled with a Gb, and in G minor, it's spelled with an F#. Cheers, - DJA -

Re: [Finale] Awkward key signature menu

2012-04-18 Thread Michael Mathew
Bill, I, too, have had a confusing time with the major and minor transpositions, etc. until I encountered an instructor whose rule of thumb is to ignore the minor key signatures and work with the major as though they are simply numbers of sharps or numbers of flats which seems to avoid the awkw

Re: [Finale] Awkward key signature menu

2012-04-18 Thread Raymond Horton
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Lawrence Yates wrote: > Aren't the major and minor keys treated differently when it comes to using > the spelling tables for accidentals? > > Cheers, > > Lawrence Not really, but you are close. I thought what your description is so, myself, but I just tried a co

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread Robert Patterson
I was listing differences from 2010 to 2012. Many people like score manager because it is a modeless window and allows quicker access to the instrument list. I will get used to it I am sure. You correctly translated patootie. Upgrading files from 1988 will be a challenge. To get useuful results

Re: [Finale] Awkward key signature menu

2012-04-18 Thread J D Thomas
It also impacts chord symbol entry, especially from a MIDI keyboard. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Apr 18, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > The choice of a major vs. minor key affects the default enharmonic spelling > when entering notes using a MIDI keyboard. > > For example, in G mi

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread christopher.smith
Ha ha! I just learned that word "andouille"! I saw an episode of "The Family Guy" where two of the characters are competing for the attentions of the same lady (one is a dog, but no matter), so they take her to a fancy French restaurant called "l'espèce d'andouille". That sounded a little off to

Re: [Finale] Awkward key signature menu

2012-04-18 Thread Darcy James Argue
The choice of a major vs. minor key affects the default enharmonic spelling when entering notes using a MIDI keyboard. For example, in G minor, you'd generally want F#'s, whereas in Bb major, you'd generally want Gb's. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 18 Apr 201

Re: [Finale] Awkward key signature menu

2012-04-18 Thread Lawrence Yates
Aren't the major and minor keys treated differently when it comes to using the spelling tables for accidentals? Cheers, Lawrence On 18 April 2012 17:36, bill sinclair wrote: > They have a really awkward feature that I wish would be fixed - - - > > When you request a key signature, it makes a d

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread rglan
At 11:13 AM -0500 18/4/12, Robert Patterson wrote: >the main differences you will notice are Merci for the très compréhensif answer. Are all these things you mention new to 2012 or did they appear earlier? I am not familiar with the Score Manager, is there anything good about it? > the curren

[Finale] Awkward key signature menu

2012-04-18 Thread bill sinclair
They have a really awkward feature that I wish would be fixed - - - When you request a key signature, it makes a distinction between a major key and a minor key with the exact same pattern of sharps and flats. For example, they call C minor a DIFFERENT key signature than E flat major. Why even gi

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread Robert Patterson
I can't speak to the specifics of Fin11, having barely used it. But if you are already on Fin10, the main differences you will notice are 1. Score Manager. This could possibly be a step forward, but if you need to have transpositions separate from instruments or if you need to upgrade pre-Fin12 fi

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread rglan
At 11:30 AM -0400 18/4/12, David H. Bailey wrote: >It comes in between 2010 and 2012. Lol :-D I know that andouille ;-) >Are you asking whether it's better >than 2010 and/or worse/better than 2012? Oui, yes, and how does it/they compare to other versions too in terms of stability and lack of an

[Finale] Why do my messages keep bouncing?

2012-04-18 Thread bill sinclair
Up until recently, my AOL text messages went through OK. Now I get "Ignoring non-mime" or it doesn't think they are straight text any more. It doesn't like "=20" How can I make them go through? bill sinclair billsi...@aol.com ___ Finale mailing l

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread David H. Bailey
On 4/18/2012 10:39 AM, rglan wrote: > At 4:20 PM +0200 18/4/12, Jari Williamsson wrote: >> I would suggest to wait until 2012B > > How does 2011 figure in all this? > It comes in between 2010 and 2012. Are you asking whether it's better than 2010 and/or worse/better than 2012? -- David H. Bai

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread rglan
At 4:20 PM +0200 18/4/12, Jari Williamsson wrote: >I would suggest to wait until 2012B How does 2011 figure in all this? raglan ps. sorry if I'm throwing a spanner in the works ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listi

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread Jari Williamsson
On 2012-04-18 09:03, SN jef chippewa wrote: > carl, i am about to upgrade a few things, including finale, and > wonder if you could tell me what you found so disastrous moving from > 2010 to 2012 (which is what i would be doing soon). If you're unsure, I would suggest to wait until 2012B. There m

Re: [Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread Girard Bowe
Hi, Jef - I made the same upgrade from 2010 to 2012 without any problems. I was on WinXP at the time, then migrated to a new box with Win7. The updater caused no problems. I mostly do horn charts & transcriptions - no lyrics. Giz |-Original Message- |From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:

[Finale] 2012 vs 2010

2012-04-18 Thread SN jef chippewa
carl, i am about to upgrade a few things, including finale, and wonder if you could tell me what you found so disastrous moving from 2010 to 2012 (which is what i would be doing soon). At 17:59 -0700 4/16/12, dershem wrote: >I still get some good stuff from the list, even though I went back >t