Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-16 Thread dhbailey
John Howell wrote: At 7:02 AM -0800 11/15/08, Richard Yates wrote: Yes, exponential. http://www.math.ucdavis.edu/~kouba/Math21BThomasDIRECTORY/Exponential.pdf Pipes arranged in a decreasing series of half tone steps do not increase in length by a constant amount (which would make the

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-16 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Nov 15, 2008, at 5:09 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Only outdoor pipe organs would be able to have more than about 4 or 5 logarithmic pipes, I think (unless you started with rilly, rilly tiny mixture-type pipes), and wouldn't be terribly useful musically. Pitch rises logarithmically

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-16 Thread David W. Fenton
On 16 Nov 2008 at 17:27, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Nov 15, 2008, at 5:09 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Only outdoor pipe organs would be able to have more than about 4 or 5 logarithmic pipes, I think (unless you started with rilly, rilly tiny mixture-type pipes), and wouldn't be terribly

RE: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-15 Thread Richard Yates
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Howell Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 6:09 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History At 2:03 PM -0500 11/14/08, Andrew Stiller wrote: James McKinnon, who

RE: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-15 Thread John Howell
At 7:02 AM -0800 11/15/08, Richard Yates wrote: Yes, exponential. http://www.math.ucdavis.edu/~kouba/Math21BThomasDIRECTORY/Exponential.pdf Pipes arranged in a decreasing series of half tone steps do not increase in length by a constant amount (which would make the profile of their ends a

RE: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-15 Thread Richard Yates
Yes, exponential. http://www.math.ucdavis.edu/~kouba/Math21BThomasDIRECTORY/Expo nential.p df Pipes arranged in a decreasing series of half tone steps do not increase in length by a constant amount (which would make the profile of their ends a straight line.) The difference in their lengths

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-15 Thread Dick Hauser
On Nov 15, 2008, at 9:47 AM, John Howell wrote: I thought exponential dealt with powers of 10 or some such thing It sounds to me like your remembering logarithm. In this context, exponential just means that the formula describing the line would have at least one exponent. Like Y equals

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-15 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Nov 14, 2008, at 9:08 PM, John Howell wrote: At 2:03 PM -0500 11/14/08, Andrew Stiller wrote: James McKinnon, who taught a course on this at SUNY Buffalo back in the '70s, made the important distinction of realistic, but not real. A major example of this is a famous painting of St.

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-15 Thread David W. Fenton
On 15 Nov 2008 at 11:26, Dick Hauser wrote: On Nov 15, 2008, at 9:47 AM, John Howell wrote: I thought exponential dealt with powers of 10 or some such thing It sounds to me like your remembering logarithm. In this context, exponential just means that the formula describing the line

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-15 Thread John Howell
At 11:26 AM -0800 11/15/08, Dick Hauser wrote: On Nov 15, 2008, at 9:47 AM, John Howell wrote: I thought exponential dealt with powers of 10 or some such thing It sounds to me like your remembering logarithm. In this context, exponential just means that the formula describing the line

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread Eric Fiedler
Kim, You might want to take a look at the RIDIM (Répertoire International d'Iconographie Musicale) homepage: http://www.ridim-deutschland.de/ Also some of the volumes of the series Musikgeschichte in Bildern (VEB Leipzig) are pretty good. I think Bowles has done one of the volumes. Eric

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 14 Nov 2008 at 8:28, dc wrote: [quoting http://www.minkoff-editions.com/musique_musicologie/pages/i- j.htm] this collection assembles in handy volumes, unencumbered by superfluous notes or de luxe presentation, I'm always suspicious of people who are suspicous of

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Nov 13, 2008, at 9:58 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Many people try to take the images literally, when they were never created that way. James McKinnon, who taught a course on this at SUNY Buffalo back in the '70s, made the important distinction of realistic, but not real. A major example

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread David W. Fenton
On 14 Nov 2008 at 9:04, dc wrote: David W. Fenton écrit: I'm always suspicious of people who are suspicous of notes. Notes tell us things that we need to know and are usually not superfluous, except to those who want to remain unencumbered by facts. The English language is such that

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread David W. Fenton
On 14 Nov 2008 at 6:04, dhbailey wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 14 Nov 2008 at 8:28, dc wrote: [quoting http://www.minkoff-editions.com/musique_musicologie/pages/i- j.htm] this collection assembles in handy volumes, unencumbered by superfluous notes or de luxe presentation,

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread David W. Fenton
On 14 Nov 2008 at 21:37, dc wrote: David W. Fenton écrit: Prove me wrong, Dennis -- show me that there are notes, and that this is not an example of commercial promotion (i.e., advertising speak) at the expense of academic rigor. Well, I have Edmund Bowles' volume on the Middle Ages. But

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Hi there: Well the book I have is full of notes with excerpts from diaries or court accounts of the event shown in the illustrations. Christopher Hogwood wrote some introductory notes for this vol, and I believe Philip Pickett uses the chapter on triumphant processions as an source for his

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread David W. Fenton
On 14 Nov 2008 at 21:49, dc wrote: dc écrit: David W. Fenton écrit: Prove me wrong, Dennis -- show me that there are notes, and that this is not an example of commercial promotion (i.e., advertising speak) at the expense of academic rigor. Well, I have Edmund Bowles' volume on the Middle

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread David W. Fenton
On 14 Nov 2008 at 22:02, dc wrote: David W. Fenton écrit: Well, I have Edmund Bowles' volume on the Middle Ages. But the Minkoff website comment is *not* about that volume, but about a different one. Yes it is. It was in the list I sent of the Minkoff series. OK, I didn't understand

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread John Howell
At 2:03 PM -0500 11/14/08, Andrew Stiller wrote: James McKinnon, who taught a course on this at SUNY Buffalo back in the '70s, made the important distinction of realistic, but not real. A major example of this is a famous painting of St. Cecilia at the organ, in which the lengths of the

[Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-13 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Hi everyone: A friend has let me borrow a book called Musical Ensembles in Festival Books: 1500 - 1800. by Edmund A. Bowles. It must have hundreds of woodcuts and drawings from original sources, that I've never seen before-- and I've read a lot of music history books. It's really impressive. I

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-13 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Very interesting! Does it happen to have any images of string quartets in it? Johannes On 13.11.2008 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: A friend has let me borrow a book called Musical Ensembles in Festival Books: 1500 - 1800. by Edmund A. Bowles. It must have hundreds of woodcuts and drawings from

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-13 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
I'll check, but this book seems to be centered around Festivals related to coronations and other occassions for nobility and royality. If I find anything I'll let you know. Oh I heard your Haydn Trios CD, very nice ;) Thanks Kim On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-13 Thread Barbara Touburg
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Hi everyone: A friend has let me borrow a book called Musical Ensembles in Festival Books: 1500 - 1800. by Edmund A. Bowles. The Utrecht University Library has this book: see

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-13 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
That's the book I have, I appreciate your finding that ;) Are there other books in German that cover this same type of topic/material with full color plates? Thanks again! Kim On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Barbara Touburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Hi everyone: A

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-13 Thread Barbara Touburg
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: That's the book I have, I appreciate your finding that ;) Are there other books in German that cover this same type of topic/material with full color plates? Thanks again! Kim I suppose you'd better ask Johannes! ___ Finale

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-13 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Hi everyone: A friend has let me borrow a book called Musical Ensembles in Festival Books: 1500 - 1800. by Edmund A. Bowles. It must have hundreds of woodcuts and drawings from original sources, that I've never seen before-- and I've read a lot of music history books.

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-13 Thread David W. Fenton
On 13 Nov 2008 at 17:02, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: A friend has let me borrow a book called Musical Ensembles in Festival Books: 1500 - 1800. by Edmund A. Bowles. It must have hundreds of woodcuts and drawings from original sources, that I've never seen before-- and I've read a lot of music

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-13 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 13.11.2008 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I'll check, but this book seems to be centered around Festivals related to coronations and other occassions for nobility and royality. If I find anything I'll let you know. Oh I heard your Haydn Trios CD, very nice ;) Thanks, we are bringing out

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-13 Thread David W. Fenton
On 14 Nov 2008 at 8:28, dc wrote: [quoting http://www.minkoff-editions.com/musique_musicologie/pages/i- j.htm] this collection assembles in handy volumes, unencumbered by superfluous notes or de luxe presentation, I'm always suspicious of people who are suspicous of notes. Notes tell us